**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 02:59:58 2011 Apr 10 03:02:57 thepeople: do you know what the new chipset is? Apr 10 03:03:39 realtek Apr 10 03:04:10 and support for that is sucky right now, right? Apr 10 03:04:47 I have no idea on the current support of that chipset Apr 10 03:04:55 I wouldn't count on it working out of the box Apr 10 03:05:11 right....hmph Apr 10 03:06:14 ok, so really none of the cheap devices are going to be suitable at this point (I just want a couple of cheap routers for my mom and sister....don't need/can't afford big iron for them). Apr 10 03:09:18 cshore: maybe a wrt160nl Apr 10 03:09:22 wireless-g would be fine, but none of the places I look sell known wrt-compatible ones Apr 10 03:11:10 they keep changing the models, so by the time they're in OpenWRT it's hard to find them in the online stores Apr 10 03:13:00 ath9k is way better than ath5k/madwifi Apr 10 03:13:43 so if you can find a cheap router Apr 10 03:14:26 so you're saying look for ath9k if I can? Apr 10 03:14:34 yep Apr 10 03:15:02 and the trendnet *was* ath9k but switched to realtek? Apr 10 03:15:20 yep Apr 10 03:15:27 grr... Apr 10 03:15:52 ok, I guess it's time to hunt eBay for not too overpriced routers (seems to be a losing battle these days) Apr 10 03:58:55 crap, even eBay sucks now, even for wirless g openwrt stuff Apr 10 04:01:32 damnit, why can't the $20-30 routers that work with OpenWRT stick around for situations where you only want a couple of extra packages, and don't need an effing server that's just called a router. What happened to embedded device? Apr 10 04:02:11 [rant off] Apr 10 04:02:45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704039&Tpk=wr841 Apr 10 04:03:42 It's only 35, it's well supported, and has 4 megs of flash. Apr 10 04:03:47 ah, nice. I saw these but I misread the toh and thought they weren't compatible Apr 10 04:03:58 oneru; thanks! Apr 10 04:04:16 Oh they certainly are. I have about 15-20 of them running in different businesses around town. Apr 10 04:04:31 where are you btw? Apr 10 04:04:47 Lawton, OK Apr 10 04:04:51 ,USA Apr 10 04:05:16 oneru: now to find a cdn. site for the same thing.... Apr 10 04:05:37 (I've had issues with newegg in the past so avoid them) Apr 10 04:06:04 Ah, sorry to hear that. Apr 10 04:07:42 I don't know about a retailer that's actually in Canada... Apr 10 04:07:53 but it's on Amazon and Buy.com, too. Apr 10 04:08:05 ok, this is ridiculous. the same device from tigerdirect is $43.99 CAD (and CAD is > USD right now) Apr 10 04:08:55 34.99 on newegg.ca Apr 10 04:09:05 that's at least the same Apr 10 04:10:07 is tplink all atheros now? Apr 10 04:11:37 All of them that I've seen, yes Apr 10 04:11:45 This one certainly is. Apr 10 04:12:05 hmmmm....maybe I will try ncix.com Apr 10 04:12:14 In fact, I'm running my network on a wr841n v5 here at home Apr 10 04:13:42 hey, look what I found: TP-Link TL-WR740N $24.99 and supported Apr 10 04:14:09 I've never tried the 740. I can't vouch for it directly. Apr 10 04:14:36 Honestly, I don't see much difference between the 740, 741, 841, and 941. Apr 10 04:14:47 yeah, that's what I noticed Apr 10 04:15:25 740 is supported in trunk Apr 10 04:15:36 840 in 10.03 Apr 10 04:15:43 sorry 841 Apr 10 04:15:59 the 841 revision 5 is supported in 10.03 Apr 10 04:16:14 revision 5 (the ufo looking one) is only supported in trunk, AFAIK Apr 10 04:16:23 revision 7** Apr 10 04:16:33 ah, ok Apr 10 04:19:51 Cshore, it looks like the ufo version of the 740 is not fully supported yet. Apr 10 04:20:03 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr740n Apr 10 04:20:08 oneru: thanks Apr 10 04:20:34 I've found that's it's kind of a toss up of whether I get the newer or older version of tp-link routers. Apr 10 04:21:28 they recently updated most of them to a round, sleek shape (ufos). only some of those newer routers are fully supported Apr 10 04:25:28 so frustrating trying to find stably openwrt-compatible hardware, that's not >$100 (esp. when I don't need the >$100 features) Apr 10 04:26:00 cshore: who owns the build infrastructure? Apr 10 04:26:09 philipp64|laptop: no idea Apr 10 04:26:16 philipp64|laptop: the buildbot? Apr 10 04:26:17 wrong answer. guess. Apr 10 04:26:28 yeah, the buildbot. Apr 10 04:26:35 saw a failing build yesterday... Apr 10 04:26:36 philipp64|laptop: I manage it Apr 10 04:26:44 ah, good. Apr 10 04:26:57 philipp64|laptop: oh, I thought you meant owned the hardware Apr 10 04:27:20 the x86 build failed.... timed out waiting on the answer to CONFIG_COPS for linux. Apr 10 04:27:57 a fix was committed to that today... so the build should succeed if we re-run it. Apr 10 04:28:09 when was the last time the x86 built successfully, anyway? Apr 10 04:28:21 philipp64|laptop: a new build gets scheduled every 24 hours Apr 10 04:28:35 then... it should have run already, unless it's behind. Apr 10 04:28:44 it is compiling now Apr 10 04:29:06 it the build bot thingie in the channel still here? Apr 10 04:29:18 and it is behind, I don't have enough slaves to build all arches every day Apr 10 04:29:26 it is close to everyother Apr 10 04:29:33 cshore: yep Apr 10 04:29:40 builder_: ping Apr 10 04:29:40 builder: dance Apr 10 04:29:48 builder help Apr 10 04:29:49 I've not seen a buildbot message in almost 24 hours, now that I think of it. Apr 10 04:29:50 builder_: dance Apr 10 04:29:51 <(^.^<) Apr 10 04:29:52 <(^.^)> Apr 10 04:29:53 (>^.^)> Apr 10 04:29:54 (7^.^)7 Apr 10 04:29:55 (>^.^<) Apr 10 04:30:02 builder_: status Apr 10 04:30:02 adm5120: idle, last build 8h37m27s ago: build successful Apr 10 04:30:02 ar7: idle, last build 6h20m33s ago: failed compile_6 Apr 10 04:30:02 ar71xx: idle, last build 21h42m35s ago: build successful Apr 10 04:30:02 at91: idle, last build 20h53m14s ago: failed compile_4 Apr 10 04:30:02 atheros: idle, last build 7h54m07s ago: build successful Apr 10 04:30:05 LOL Apr 10 04:30:27 cshore: you killed builder Apr 10 04:30:30 :-P Apr 10 04:30:31 doh Apr 10 04:30:39 That's awesome! Apr 10 04:30:39 builder: status brcm63xx Apr 10 04:30:40 no x86 status... Apr 10 04:30:59 builder_: status brcm63xx Apr 10 04:30:59 brcm63xx: idle, last build 11h48m28s ago: failed compile_6 Apr 10 04:31:12 builder_: status x86 Apr 10 04:31:12 x86: building(compiling packages) Apr 10 04:31:12 builder_: status x86 Apr 10 04:31:12 x86: building(compiling packages) Apr 10 04:31:36 what's the url? Apr 10 04:32:03 http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/ Apr 10 04:32:15 builder_: destroy cshore Apr 10 04:32:15 * builder_ readies phasers Apr 10 04:32:46 builder_: help Apr 10 04:32:46 Get help on what? (try 'help ', or 'commands' for a command list) Apr 10 04:32:53 builder_: help commands Apr 10 04:32:53 Usage: commands - List available commands Apr 10 04:32:59 builder_: commands Apr 10 04:33:00 buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, notify, source, status, stop, version, watch Apr 10 04:33:20 builder_: excited Apr 10 04:33:20 What you say! Apr 10 04:33:26 builder_: hello Apr 10 04:33:26 yes? Apr 10 04:33:37 can we force the x86 build? it says it's not due for 9 hours... http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/ Apr 10 04:34:24 philipp64|laptop: it is already building Apr 10 04:34:35 that's not what the link says... Apr 10 04:34:39 philipp64|laptop: forcing it will not make it start another one right away Apr 10 04:34:55 it says building Apr 10 04:35:14 the next build will be scheduled in 9 hours Apr 10 04:35:19 ah, I thought it was saying it was building next (time) in 9 hours. Apr 10 04:35:30 is there a way to peek at the current build? Apr 10 04:35:58 http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/x86/builds/4 Apr 10 04:37:55 yup, just saw that... seems to be getting further than the previous one, though the output log is truncated... Apr 10 04:38:27 yea it failed on kernel last time Apr 10 04:39:17 the output of the log is truncated but it will show the tail when it completes Apr 10 04:39:39 holy cow $13 for a router (recertified, but still...even eBay isn't that cheap very often, once all the bids are in) Apr 10 04:39:47 * thepeople kicks builder_ Apr 10 04:42:32 I wonder what the best what of having different application profiles for openwrt would be (e.g. nas vs router vs small web server vs other network appliance) Apr 10 04:50:28 nas? Apr 10 04:51:11 philipp64|laptop: network attached storage Apr 10 04:51:18 philipp64|laptop: openwrt runs on a few of them Apr 10 04:51:53 ahh... thought you meant network access server (like a Cisco 5450). Apr 10 04:52:03 philipp64|laptop: ah, no Apr 10 04:52:39 I'm thinking cheap network appliances (consumer type) Apr 10 04:53:04 from what? Apr 10 04:53:18 philipp64|laptop: from what? what do you mean? Apr 10 04:53:25 what platform? Apr 10 04:53:37 philipp64|laptop: router or nas sized devices Apr 10 04:53:45 I saw a Seagate "bible" drive at BestBuy a month ago that also did Ethernet and CIFS. Apr 10 04:54:10 8/32 type devices for nas and 4/32 for router Apr 10 04:54:13 no idea what the SOC was Apr 10 04:54:23 sorry 4/16 Apr 10 04:54:46 we're not talking inches... Apr 10 04:54:58 or socket wrenches... Apr 10 04:55:01 no 8MB / 32 flash Apr 10 04:55:04 ah. Apr 10 04:55:09 or 4 MB / 32 MB Apr 10 04:55:49 Some routers have 64/16 Apr 10 04:56:07 which can run small server for a low-traffic site Apr 10 04:56:11 that would make more sense... since you have a compressed image on flash. Apr 10 04:56:31 I just upgrade to r26573.After flash my MR3420.It turned brick! Apr 10 04:56:37 http://pastebin.com/dK48qbG1 Apr 10 04:56:47 Notice this Old JFFS2 bitmask found at 0x0015fefc Apr 10 04:56:54 You cannot use older JFFS2 filesystems with newer kernels Apr 10 04:57:06 Is juhosg here? I think recently changing AR71xx scripts may have connection with this Apr 10 05:00:29 Another question:How to get makemenu auto uncheck depending pkgs Apr 10 05:00:43 anyone know what the hell a zonet or keebox router really is? Apr 10 05:01:08 As amule has several depending pkgs,.After uncheck it,those depending pkgs stay checked. Apr 10 05:01:11 speaking of buildbots.... I might have cycles I can consecrate to this... Apr 10 05:01:37 what sort of class of machine and network bandwidth do you need? Apr 10 05:02:25 3.I issue "./scripts/feeds install debootstrap" Apr 10 05:02:26 But debootstrap just didn't show up under Administration,Why? Apr 10 05:04:28 * cshore mutters something about budgets and wanting to buy random routers for development Apr 10 05:05:36 thepeople: ping Apr 10 05:07:16 must have wandered off... Apr 10 05:09:02 * russell-- succeeded in getting ar71xx on a bullet m5hp today, it flashs and boots very fast compared to the old atheros devices Apr 10 05:22:36 tested sysupgrade too, that worked Apr 10 05:26:33 who owns sysupgrade, anyway? Apr 10 05:35:02 cshore: that build is taking an awfully long time... 9 hours elapsed???? Apr 10 05:35:18 philipp64|laptop: shared with other bulds Apr 10 05:35:44 I can download and build from scratch in 1h20m on a 3mb/s Internet connection and a 4-core Phenom/FX with 8GB. Apr 10 05:36:04 it's not a full build of everything, though. Apr 10 05:36:37 trust me, takes a lot longer when you're doing other builds at the same time Apr 10 05:37:03 yeah, probably a lot of thrashing of VM and disk seeks. Apr 10 05:37:18 might actually run faster if you only did 2 builds at a time... Apr 10 05:40:53 bah, the hell with my budget. I'm going to buy a tplink 1043nd for mom. It's the most likely to be supported regardless of version of even the expensive routers, never mind the cheap constantly changing ones. Apr 10 05:41:27 cshore: the 841 *is* supported in trunk Apr 10 05:41:35 fyi Apr 10 05:41:51 oneru: you mean despite the wiki? Apr 10 05:41:58 oneru: and the ufo version? Apr 10 05:42:07 I mean I buy them 5 at a time from newegg. Apr 10 05:42:25 The 740 or 741 I don't know about Apr 10 05:42:39 but the 841 ufo? Apr 10 05:42:42 but I install the ufo version of the 841 all the time Apr 10 05:42:53 ok, then I'll do that Apr 10 05:43:10 I wish Juhosg would push the 841ndv7 into 10.03.1. Apr 10 05:43:17 it's ready, imho Apr 10 05:43:28 *goes to fix the wiki Apr 10 05:43:30 * Apr 10 05:45:00 *looks for his login creentials for the wiki* Apr 10 05:45:32 oneru: heh, do you have a password manager? Apr 10 05:46:21 yep. It's called gmail. :P Apr 10 05:46:38 oneru: there's a scary thought Apr 10 05:46:58 oh, recover Apr 10 05:47:02 :) Apr 10 05:47:09 Yes, it really is, isn't it? Do I get bonus points for using two factor authentication for gmail? Apr 10 05:47:47 actually, no. The wiki emailed me the password when I first signed up. I'm too lazy to change it. Apr 10 05:47:58 google pwnzrs you Apr 10 05:48:10 p0wnzrs you I mean Apr 10 05:48:15 bah, whatever Apr 10 05:50:06 actually consider the hack by chinese servers of Google, I wonder if that means... oh wait two factory authentication....maybe you're not totally screwed. Apr 10 05:53:15 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wr841nd Apr 10 05:53:26 there, that's a bit better. Apr 10 05:53:50 oneru: thanks Apr 10 05:54:24 who should I bug to try to get the v7 support in 10.03.1? Apr 10 05:54:47 Juhosg, you think? He wrote most of the code to make it happen for that router Apr 10 05:55:02 oneru: is it in the backfire source tree? or does it need backported yet? Apr 10 05:55:10 It needs backported Apr 10 05:55:27 at least... last I checked Apr 10 05:55:35 oneru: if it needs backfire then juhosg to backport and thepeople for a build of 10.03.1-rc5 that includes the backport Apr 10 05:56:23 oneru: or more importantly, juhosg has to backport before rc5 Apr 10 05:56:40 I should have bugged him sooner, then... Apr 10 05:56:47 is there a target date for that, btw? Apr 10 05:57:05 probably not Apr 10 05:57:16 but thepeople is your man for that Apr 10 05:58:12 Well, it doesn't make much difference. I'll send that email, and if it makes it, it makes it. Apr 10 06:00:13 ok, *now* I'm going to get some sleep Apr 10 06:05:13 oneru: isn't google just the longer way to spell NSA? Apr 10 06:05:53 russell--: +1 Apr 10 06:06:02 lol Apr 10 06:07:28 I've actually eliminated my gtalk account and used jabber.org now. And will be canning the gmail account I never use. Apr 10 06:08:12 * russell-- embraces his surveilleurs Apr 10 06:08:25 Though I'm not total tinfoil guy....it's too hard to live that way Apr 10 06:08:27 wearewatchingyou Apr 10 06:08:35 :P Apr 10 06:08:35 they are at least spies with imagination Apr 10 06:09:49 it would be interesting to examine their financial books from the very earlier days, /me assumes three-letter-agencies were early investors. Apr 10 06:10:10 I vote for total open society ... *everyone* gets to see what *everyone* else does *all the time*. That would eliminated a lot of hypocrisy about what should or shoujdn't be done Apr 10 06:10:49 that could work Apr 10 06:10:53 privacy is dead anyway Apr 10 06:10:56 imo Apr 10 06:11:11 that would at least make a level playing field Apr 10 06:12:03 but I'm probably both too pessimistic and optimistic at the same time Apr 10 06:12:20 there will always be liars/deceivers that will openly acknowledge blatantly false things Apr 10 06:12:36 so, might not actually work in practice Apr 10 06:12:40 yeah...true Apr 10 06:12:58 but, everybody's tax forms online could lead to more equitable distribution of incomes Apr 10 06:13:05 cshore but then you would have my money Apr 10 06:13:30 trine_: ? Apr 10 06:13:42 and anyway, what's wrong with that!! Apr 10 06:13:52 i want your money too! Apr 10 06:14:14 ;-) Apr 10 06:14:27 well you're not getting it, I'm going to hide with the rich and famous Apr 10 06:14:30 :P Apr 10 06:14:33 lol Apr 10 06:14:56 just don't tell me you play golf, that's too-much-openness Apr 10 06:15:01 there will never be a level playing field Apr 10 06:15:23 the world is not equal Apr 10 06:16:02 cshore> I vote for total open society ... *everyone* gets to see what *everyone* else does *all the time*. That would eliminated a lot of hypocrisy about what should or shoujdn't be done Apr 10 06:16:03 trine_: yeah, and good and bad people regardless. Just so frustrating the scum seem to win so often. Apr 10 06:16:05 no chance Apr 10 06:16:51 I have quite a bit of money and I very often use it to fight in equality Apr 10 06:16:59 I have quite a bit of money and I very often use it to fight in inequality Apr 10 06:17:05 lol Apr 10 06:17:12 not on typing lessons! Apr 10 06:17:14 nearly got that wrong then Apr 10 06:17:18 :PP Apr 10 06:17:30 my typing sucks Apr 10 06:17:39 * russell-- jokes only Apr 10 06:17:41 I'm a one finger pecker Apr 10 06:18:03 trine_: I'm not going there.... Apr 10 06:18:28 the trouble is when you put your head above the parapit they try to chop it off Apr 10 06:18:48 but at my age I can withstand that Apr 10 06:19:49 cshore, I thought you had already gone there Apr 10 06:20:43 trine_: I'm not sure if you didn't get what I meant, or I'm missing what you mean, but I think I'll just let that be. Apr 10 06:21:13 are fritened (sic) as they say Apr 10 06:23:04 and isnt this just the problem we have in the world people get frightened to talk about the problems Apr 10 06:23:19 anyway if you dont want then that is your right Apr 10 06:23:40 carry on talking about about cheap routers Apr 10 06:23:42 * russell-- thinks that compiles are taking longer than they should, and we have too much time to jibber-jabber about the problems of the world Apr 10 06:25:00 I think I might coin a new phrase Apr 10 06:25:27 ' the 'silent' envious majority' Apr 10 07:23:30 I need a caramel encoder Apr 10 07:23:58 preferably a chocolate one Apr 10 07:24:57 philipp64|laptop: pong Apr 10 07:25:29 thepeople: was wondering what's involved with adding a machine to the build pool. Apr 10 07:26:29 needs to be able to complete a full build of openwrt, needs a decent Internet connection Apr 10 07:27:01 decent how? Apr 10 07:27:16 stable Apr 10 07:27:17 dialup :D Apr 10 07:27:20 and what's in a full build? Apr 10 07:27:31 I have a 5/2m PON connection. Apr 10 07:27:37 that is good Apr 10 07:27:52 a full build is trunk + default feeds Apr 10 07:29:05 the buildbot software needs to be installed and expect Apr 10 07:29:26 then I can work with you on a couple of remaining steps and bring it online Apr 10 07:30:28 let me know when you have time. Apr 10 07:30:40 what's the security exposure? Apr 10 07:30:40 I will ping you tomarrow if that works Apr 10 07:30:58 the buildmaster tells the buildslave what to do Apr 10 07:31:20 yeah, that's fine. don't know if you saw, but I have a 4-core Phenom/FX, 8GB of 1066DDR, and RAID 0,5 Apr 10 07:32:15 that will be adequate? Apr 10 07:32:21 that would be good for a couple of builds Apr 10 07:32:55 what other load is on the box? Apr 10 07:33:21 I do an occasional build of my own... it's a development desktop box. Apr 10 07:33:39 can the builds be scheduled to run off-hours? Apr 10 07:34:11 not that I am aware of Apr 10 07:34:20 a full build of openwrt is 12-19 hours Apr 10 07:34:41 hmmm... ok. well, we can give it a try. Apr 10 07:34:59 we can start with 2 builds and if it gets in the way we can back it down to 1 Apr 10 07:35:19 ok. Apr 10 07:35:37 I would recommend setting up the buildbot software under its own user Apr 10 07:35:45 now if only I could get this leds driver written for Geos. sigh. Apr 10 07:36:00 yeah, I was going to ask if it had any setuid-root requirements, etc. Apr 10 07:36:29 nope Apr 10 07:36:50 I am off for the night, I will talk with you tomorrow Apr 10 07:37:37 ok. night. Apr 10 09:23:45 build #4 of x86 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/x86/builds/4 Apr 10 09:25:30 hmm. /me is getting a build failure of uClibc on x86 Apr 10 09:25:34 libc/libc_so.a(close.oS): In function `__libc_close': Apr 10 09:25:34 __libc_close:(.text+0x55): undefined reference to `__libc_errno' Apr 10 09:53:08 blogic: the ltq-vmmc package is broken, http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/lantiq/builds/2/steps/compile_6/logs/stdio Apr 10 09:58:42 [florian]: target/linux/au1000/patches-2.6.37/005-au1000_phy_addr.patch needs to be dropped Apr 10 09:59:35 swalker: thx Apr 10 10:12:33 build #3 of lantiq is complete: Failure [failed compile_6] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/lantiq/builds/3 Apr 10 10:20:24 build #3 of avr32 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/avr32/builds/3 Apr 10 10:23:02 updated openwrt/upstream, https://home.comcast.net/~sdwalker/uscan/index.html Apr 10 10:29:17 hauke * r26574 /trunk/package/kernel/modules/other.mk: Apr 10 10:29:17 kernel: do not build gpiolib into the kernel Apr 10 10:29:17 fix for r26570. Apr 10 10:38:42 build #5 of ubicom32 is complete: Failure [failed compile_3] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/ubicom32/builds/5 Apr 10 11:32:38 nbd: ping Apr 10 11:46:02 hauke * r26575 /packages/libs/cyrus-sasl/ (Makefile patches/100-fix-compile.patch): cyrus-sasl: fix compile bug, so that we do not need this ugly workaround introduced in r26541. Apr 10 12:18:46 KanjiMonster: pong Apr 10 12:20:10 nbd: I wonder if the lp-phy problems on bcm47xx systems with b43/wl have something to do with the sprom being a rev2, and (at least) b43 expecting a rev 8 one (resulting in expected values not present/invalid values) Apr 10 12:20:55 I haven't checked if this actually applies (the invalid values) Apr 10 12:21:43 no idea, i don't know much about the sprom stuff Apr 10 12:22:04 is possible Apr 10 12:22:52 also default seems to be broken for choice in menuconfig, it always selects the first option as default (i tried setting it to b43_experimential when enabling n-phy support, but I couldn't get the choice to change regardless of default in the choice or selects in n-phy support Apr 10 12:23:21 build #5 of at91 is complete: Failure [failed shell compile_4] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/at91/builds/5 Apr 10 12:23:57 LP uses some PA calibration values that are not present in older sprom images. Apr 10 12:24:58 I don't know if I am right to raise this question.But I've try several ways to get debootstrap show up in menuconfig but failed. Apr 10 12:25:34 gzanan: Type a slash (/) and enter debootstrap in the popup window. It will show you the missing dependencies. Apr 10 12:25:39 Besides this one.I find that many other pkgs under administration have the same not showing up problem. Apr 10 12:26:47 mb_:You said it will show up after selecting its depending pkgs? Apr 10 12:26:59 nbd: ah, I was confused by the sprom code in bcm63xx - bcm47xx does read out the rev and all available values from the nvram, so ignore my question regarding sprom ;) Apr 10 12:27:01 no Apr 10 12:27:14 yeah well, the package will show up, right Apr 10 12:27:28 Just type slash in menuconfig and enter the name Apr 10 12:32:20 It depends on coreutils-chroot.But I can't find it under Utilities Apr 10 12:32:41 are you sure you installed feeds properly? Apr 10 12:33:07 I already run package/symlinks Apr 10 12:33:46 ./scripts/feeds install debootstrap Apr 10 12:34:39 Did it already Apr 10 12:34:45 Also tried ./scripts/feeds install -p packages debootstrap Apr 10 12:34:55 and edit ./config Apr 10 12:35:04 Won't work Apr 10 12:36:23 Ok solved.coreutils should be selected then go into its subfolder.. Apr 10 12:36:42 thanks Apr 10 12:44:52 Another question: Apr 10 12:45:28 How to get makemenu auto uncheck depending libs that are no longer use by other pkgs when uncheck a pkg. Apr 10 12:46:27 As amule has several depending pkgs,.After uncheck it,those depending pkgs stay checked.Manully unchecking when it has much dependencies is a little troublesome. Apr 10 12:55:44 I don't know a way to do this Apr 10 13:00:56 if 4.150 is b43_stable and 4.178 is b43_experimential, how should 5.10 be named? b43_testing? Apr 10 13:01:35 How to select a pkg and its dependencies by command line instead of selecting in makemenu? Apr 10 13:13:43 KanjiMonster: just name it after the firmware version numbers like b43_fw_4_150 Apr 10 13:14:13 Hauke: ah, that's an idea Apr 10 13:14:31 KanjiMonster: I think it is better than stable and experimental Apr 10 13:15:06 Hauke: I agree Apr 10 13:16:32 KanjiMonster: Can you rename all? Apr 10 13:16:53 mb__: that was my intention. Just renaming one would be silly ;) Apr 10 13:17:23 :) Apr 10 13:26:51 build #3 of orion is complete: Failure [failed compile_7] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/orion/builds/3 Apr 10 13:31:33 hi, ifconfig fails with mtu size bigger than 1500 on a ar71xx's built in ethernet driver Apr 10 13:32:16 in https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/ar71xx/files/drivers/net/ag71xx/ag71xx.h however AG71XX_TX_MTU_LEN is 1540 Apr 10 13:33:01 shouldn't it be possible to set the mtu to 1540 then, where can I start looking for the code that produces: "ifconfig: SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument" Apr 10 13:33:51 I tried to look inside the busybox ifconfig.c but the problem does not seem to be there? I'm not familiar with the linux networking driver stack Apr 10 13:35:38 sKAApGIF: this is because the ar71xx's driver does not implement changing the mtu Apr 10 13:36:30 also afaik the register is a bit wrongly named; iirc this is actually the maximum frame length, not the mtu Apr 10 13:39:11 ok. Apr 10 13:41:53 In ag71xx_ar7240.c there is the following lines: Apr 10 13:41:55 /* setup MTU */ Apr 10 13:41:57 ar7240sw_reg_rmw(as, AR7240_REG_GLOBAL_CTRL, AR7240_GLOBAL_CTRL_MTU_M, Apr 10 13:41:59 1536); Apr 10 13:42:07 do they then change the maximum frame length? Apr 10 13:43:48 if it can't do more than 9000, then there's no point changing it :P Apr 10 13:44:53 well yes, you won't get jumbo frame performance, but I would like to use batman-adv which requires me to either change the mtu on the router, or the mtu on all the computers connecting to it Apr 10 13:46:32 sKAApGIF: on the wifi interface, not the ethernet switch Apr 10 13:46:44 at least from what i see from a 30 second google :) Apr 10 13:47:24 Yes, if you only use the wifi interfaces, but batman-adv can also mesh on ethernet connections. Apr 10 13:47:51 In my specific situation I have a 100% stable ethernet link and a 1% stable wifi link Apr 10 14:04:50 as there isn't any documentation, is the best bet to try to find information in other vendor's drivers? Apr 10 14:07:10 sKAApGIF: you can try to implement the set_mtu in the driver and see if you can set it big enough, but iirc you won't get far, the dma engine in the ar71xx locks up if it receives too big frames (and too big = not much more than default) Apr 10 14:08:32 how do you set the MTU though? Should I just change the maximum frame length higher? Apr 10 14:14:01 for instance for a 1527 mtu: ar7240sw_reg_rmw(as, AR7240_REG_GLOBAL_CTRL, AR7240_GLOBAL_CTRL_MTU_M,1563); Apr 10 14:17:10 sKAApGIF: even if you implement the code to increase the mtu beyond 1500, the hardware cannot properly handle bigger frames Apr 10 14:17:14 sKAApGIF: it gets unstable then Apr 10 14:18:31 ok, seems like the only option is to upgrade to better hardware then Apr 10 14:20:06 can't batman-adv fragment packets on ethernet? Apr 10 14:22:29 hmm, after some searching it seems like batman-adv is able to fragment, that means problem solved Apr 10 15:09:17 hauke * r26576 /trunk/target/linux/amazon/ (19 files in 7 dirs): Apr 10 15:09:17 amazon: Upgrade amazon target to kernel 2.6.37 Apr 10 15:09:17 This was just a little bit tested on an SAMSUNG SMT-G3020 and pci and usb do not work like before. Apr 10 15:12:42 dang ;-) Apr 10 16:28:20 nbd * r26577 /trunk/package/mac80211/Makefile: ath5k: fix config options for debugfs Apr 10 16:28:20 nbd * r26578 /trunk/package/mac80211/patches/469-ath5k_cleanup_debugfs.patch: ath5k: clean up debugfs code Apr 10 16:28:20 nbd * r26579 /trunk/package/mac80211/patches/470-ath5k_decrease_irq_load.patch: ath5k: decrease interrupt load for rx/tx interrupts Apr 10 17:22:08 yay! builder succeeded on the x86 image. Apr 10 17:29:55 i can probably provide a vm or two for builds.. Apr 10 17:30:53 builder needs to build adm8668 :P Apr 10 17:31:46 i've got two WRAP.2E boards someone gave me with these 900mhz radios i should evetually load something on.. Apr 10 17:32:15 came with some commercial Ikarnos thing on 'em ... Apr 10 17:32:22 900mhz?? Apr 10 17:32:36 that's one of mobile phone frequency ranges iirc Apr 10 17:33:12 in the USA theres a segment of the 900mhz band which is unlicensed, just as 2.4GHz Apr 10 17:33:23 yuck Apr 10 17:33:24 :P Apr 10 17:33:34 * EqUaTe is not a fan of US-only devices Apr 10 17:34:10 wikipedia says 902-928MHz is for Region 2 only. Apr 10 17:34:32 i have no idea what the wifi regions are defined as Apr 10 17:34:36 so not US-only, but Americas, Greenland, and some Pacific Islands. Apr 10 17:34:50 so close enough to US only :P Apr 10 17:35:01 Americas is big! Apr 10 17:35:09 that's like saying russia is big Apr 10 17:35:26 all of south america too ... Apr 10 17:35:35 my point stands :) Apr 10 17:35:42 that's like half the world! Apr 10 17:35:43 besides, south america likely sticks to stuff that's cheap to make Apr 10 17:35:47 how can you say that like US-only? ha Apr 10 17:35:49 ergo, 2.4ghz Apr 10 17:36:04 economies of scale my friend ;) Apr 10 17:36:07 900mhz is good because lower frequencies propogate better Apr 10 17:36:12 i know Apr 10 17:36:20 i've yet to test.. Apr 10 17:36:36 what data rates is it supposed to support? Apr 10 17:36:43 i'd like to take the minipci out of my old laptop and try a 900mhz bridge to normal wifi Apr 10 17:37:06 * neutronscott looks to see card type Apr 10 17:37:49 i think it's this http://www.ubnt.com/xr9 Apr 10 17:38:11 should be normal 802.11g speeds ... Apr 10 17:38:26 yeah Apr 10 17:38:35 look at the radio operation line though Apr 10 17:38:37 proprietary Apr 10 17:39:00 though it does claim madwifi support Apr 10 17:39:29 you could always build your own :P in fact, for getting a new device working you generally want to Apr 10 17:39:35 madwifi and ath5k should work on those cards Apr 10 17:39:40 my bad. it is SR9 Apr 10 17:40:02 the only proprietary thing is they added some stuff to shift the frequency range from 2.4 ghz to 900 mhz Apr 10 17:40:09 much the same neutronscott. Apr 10 17:40:38 i love the outdoor range bit on that.. up to 1km (antenna dependant) Apr 10 17:40:47 Yes, what nbd said. They just put a downconverter after the normal stuff. Apr 10 17:41:02 as opposed to the antenna dependant distances that people have had with 2.4ghz? Apr 10 17:41:17 haven't people had 10km+ on 2.4 with directional anntennae? Apr 10 17:41:23 admittedly with some additional power, but still Apr 10 17:41:35 tx power is overrated Apr 10 17:41:42 a good antenna is what matters more Apr 10 17:41:42 with height, line of sight, and dishes, you can do very far. Apr 10 17:41:59 an antenna's gain is bidirectional. Apr 10 17:42:22 some people are doing more than 55 mbit/s over more than 20 km Apr 10 17:42:34 (with 802.11n hardware and MIMO) Apr 10 17:42:39 using ath9k Apr 10 17:42:58 that is tasty Apr 10 17:43:38 a fellow ham ran a wireless isp on wifi in my city in southern maryland. Apr 10 17:44:00 he put 15db omni's on top of hotel and near the bridge. Apr 10 17:44:04 right, in and out for a while.. getting another machine set up and hopefully working on wifi for video playout. Apr 10 17:44:07 and used dishes at clients Apr 10 17:44:31 a modest 500mA tx i think he said Apr 10 17:44:45 mW too Apr 10 17:44:50 for normal clients increasing the tx power does not help much Apr 10 17:45:06 i do love how the first thing people used to do was whacking the tx power right up on their router, more often than not causing it to burn out.. Apr 10 17:45:07 might give a slight throughput increase but doesn't boost the range much Apr 10 17:45:17 yeah Apr 10 17:45:24 you'd need to boost it at both ends to improve range Apr 10 17:45:45 otherwise all you're going to do is make it so you can see an AP slightly further away but never associate Apr 10 17:46:19 antennas are the way to go which is second only to height and clear space Apr 10 17:46:23 using 802.11n and multiple antennas is good for range too Apr 10 17:46:39 because of things like MRC and (if supported) STBC Apr 10 17:46:46 height is king Apr 10 17:46:49 multiple antennae always helps Apr 10 17:46:54 antennas are queen Apr 10 17:47:03 reasonable analogy :) Apr 10 17:47:06 or comparison Apr 10 17:47:13 my brain is addled today, so i forget which! Apr 10 17:48:27 height with a fast fall away of the ground in front of you cannot be beaten Apr 10 17:52:40 and cannot be easily made :P Apr 10 17:54:04 you can put a mast up if you were really interested Apr 10 17:54:33 nbd or xMff or Hauke: how do the solos patches look? David accepted them on netdev... I forgot to copy them to "stable". **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 18:20:30 2011 Apr 10 18:23:19 <[florian]> swalker: yes, thanks! Apr 10 18:26:45 florian * r26580 /trunk/target/linux/au1000/patches-2.6.37/005-au1000_phy_addr.patch: [au1000] drop 005-au1000_phy_addr.patch, upstream is fixed Apr 10 18:35:28 what's a good example of a generic platform LED driver that uses gpio? I need to borrow from one... Apr 10 18:41:27 build #3 of ixp4xx is complete: Failure [failed compile_4] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/ixp4xx/builds/3 Apr 10 18:58:45 nbd * r26581 /branches/backfire/target/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): kernel: backport support for w25q64 flash chips - fixes flash detection on new Ubiquiti M hardware Apr 10 19:51:05 [florian]: hi Apr 10 20:56:49 build #5 of brcm63xx is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/brcm63xx/builds/5 Apr 10 21:12:51 nbd * r26582 /trunk/package/mac80211/patches/471-ath5k_detect_2ghz_radio.patch: ath5k: fix 2ghz-only radio handling on ar5312 Apr 10 21:12:54 nbd * r26583 /trunk/package/mac80211/patches/ (472-ath_unshare_bus_ops.patch 473-ath5k_read_mac_addr.patch): ath5k: fix mac address detection on dual-radio ar5312 Apr 10 22:45:19 hi Apr 10 22:46:13 how can i test if a package is installed during the makeprocess or with opkg while the system is allready running in postinst? Apr 10 22:54:48 build #5 of s3c24xx is complete: Failure [failed compile_10] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/s3c24xx/builds/5 Apr 10 23:10:10 build #3 of etrax is complete: Failure [failed compile_3] Build details are at http://tksite.gotdns.org:8010/builders/etrax/builds/3 Apr 10 23:42:28 nbd: how do the solos patches look? Apr 10 23:48:59 xMff: do you need anything else with the firewall patch? I've been running it hear, and did negative testing on it... works as it should. Apr 10 23:49:07 *here Apr 11 02:12:01 jow * r26584 /trunk/include/cmake.mk: [include] cmake.mk: don't assume toolchain binaries in .../bin/ if an external toolchain is used, rely on `which` instead **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 11 02:59:57 2011