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Nov 27 11:52:14 <SmugLeaf> [florian]: Are you thinking of making Musl the "main" c library in the future? (like 6 months from now or next release) I'm reading over the comparisons and junk and it looks cool assuming it doesn't break everything horribly
Nov 27 11:53:07 <[florian]> SmugLeaf: well, in a couple of months it should be more stable, buf I think uClibc might still be the prefered library for some time
Nov 27 11:53:21 <[florian]> first of all I need to ensure our packages are properly building with it
Nov 27 11:54:36 <SmugLeaf> oh god the build bots
Nov 27 11:54:44 <SmugLeaf> do they even work ;_;
Nov 27 11:55:55 <karlp> they were recently fixed
Nov 27 11:57:49 <karlp> huh, musl looks nice
Nov 27 12:00:07 <[florian]> it does yes, but I don't consider it production ready yet
Nov 27 12:00:23 <[florian]> it's nice to demo an OpenWrt basic system, but it really needs to be tested against real world use cases
Nov 27 12:00:42 <[florian]> but considering that it receives decent development it should be pretty safe to try out
Nov 27 12:06:25 <karlp> nice license too
Nov 27 12:09:53 <SmugLeaf> where is HOST_CFLAGS set?
Nov 27 12:11:48 <jow_laptop> SmugLeaf, karlp: I doubt musl will be able to replace uClibc anytime soon, too many parts of the gnu ecosystem are horribly broken with it
Nov 27 12:12:40 <jow_laptop> SmugLeaf: HOST_CFLAGS are set in the toplevel rules.mk
Nov 27 12:18:51 <SmugLeaf> HOST_CFLAGS:=-O2 $(HOST_CPPFLAGS)
Nov 27 12:19:20 <SmugLeaf> man don't you think we could at least throw i686 in there?
Nov 27 12:19:32 <SmugLeaf> then gentoo within me is crying
Nov 27 12:24:24 <jow_laptop> no
Nov 27 12:24:32 <SmugLeaf> boo
Nov 27 12:24:34 <jow_laptop> openwrt also builds on ppc, arm, x86_64, ...
Nov 27 12:25:05 <jow_laptop> if you feel the need to optimize it feel free to adjust rules.mk
Nov 27 12:37:13 * SmugLeaf adds native and pipe
Nov 27 12:37:28 <stintel> rofl, native, seriously ?
Nov 27 12:39:16 <SmugLeaf> NOW THIS IS POD RACING
Nov 27 12:39:26 <jow_laptop> that would break IB and SDK for example
Nov 27 12:39:34 <jow_laptop> and the Toolchain
Nov 27 12:40:14 <SmugLeaf> well dude
Nov 27 12:40:18 <SmugLeaf> duh*
Nov 27 12:40:39 <stintel> native is bad, I only use it to see the resulting options, and put those in CFLAGS
Nov 27 12:41:05 <stintel> so you are 100% sure that is what is used, and not have some program decide that at runtime
Nov 27 12:50:06 <jwendell> what's native?
Nov 27 12:59:03 <SmugLeaf> auto detect
Nov 27 13:40:45 <idli> anyone considered upgrading the dnsmasq package from 2.62 to 2.64rc1? it fixes some annoying bugs (for example, DHCPv6 socket rebinding issue when reloading dnsmasq)
Nov 27 13:43:45 <jwendell> it's unlikely someone will upgrade to an -rc version...
Nov 27 13:44:41 <jwendell> iirc there are patches to upgrade to 2.63
Nov 27 15:38:25 <noisebleed> Hi all, about to start testing for x86 kernel-3.6.8.
Nov 27 15:38:25 <noisebleed> If anyone from the x86 team want to throw suggestions, please be my guest
Nov 27 16:19:38 <dwmw2_gone> is there a git mirror of the AA branch?
Nov 27 16:20:17 <dwmw2_gone> aha, ​git://nbd.name/attitude_adjustment.git
Nov 27 16:21:21 <dwmw2_gone> [dwmw2@shinybook git]$ git clone ​git://nbd.name/attitude_adjustment.git
Nov 27 16:21:21 <dwmw2_gone> Cloning into 'attitude_adjustment'...
Nov 27 16:21:21 <dwmw2_gone> fatal: I don't handle protocol '​git'
Nov 27 16:21:23 * dwmw2_gone blinks
Nov 27 16:24:30 <Chocks> aw
Nov 27 16:46:29 <noisebleed> there is also a mirror of master on github: https://github.com/mirrors/openwrt
Nov 27 16:46:50 <noisebleed> no tags or branches however
Nov 27 17:16:42 <Vali> Hi all
Nov 27 17:16:54 <Vali> Please help me in reviewing this OpenWRT architecture look in to the below pic
Nov 27 17:16:59 <Vali> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/106407766/OpenWRT.png
Nov 27 17:17:32 <jow_laptop> looks correct, but that architecture is more or less the same as that of a normal linux distro
Nov 27 17:18:14 <Vali> thanks for review  can i stick with this ?
Nov 27 17:18:28 <Vali> actually i am new to OpenWRT
Nov 27 17:19:04 <jow_laptop> yes, it looks correct
Nov 27 17:19:34 <Vali> Thanks
Nov 27 17:19:57 <Chocks> fancy
Nov 27 17:19:58 <jow_laptop> also, a minor nitpick
Nov 27 17:20:07 <jow_laptop> it is OpenWrt, not OpenWRT
Nov 27 17:20:27 <stintel> took me a while to get used to that :)
Nov 27 17:20:53 <Vali> :) thanks.   Presently I am exploring the OpenWrt support for OMAP4(panda Board)
Nov 27 17:21:01 <Chocks> jow: is there an official pronunciation guide?
Nov 27 17:21:13 <jow_laptop> ?
Nov 27 17:21:25 <stintel> with the double-u and all ? :)
Nov 27 17:21:27 <Chocks> "openwurt" or "open-W-R-T"
Nov 27 17:21:36 <[florian]> it's openwurst in germany
Nov 27 17:21:45 <Chocks> open bratwurst?
Nov 27 17:21:52 <jow_laptop> open-double-u-ar-tee
Nov 27 17:22:02 * Chocks will pass it on
Nov 27 17:22:09 <Vali> :)
Nov 27 17:22:32 <cyrusff> i need a shirt with openwurst
Nov 27 17:23:15 <stintel> lulz
Nov 27 17:23:45 <jow_laptop> http://www.turmtechnik.com/frankfurter.jpg
Nov 27 17:24:23 <Vali> jow: what's that dish ?
Nov 27 17:24:49 <jow_laptop> a reference to the joke above. "openwurst" = "open sausage" in german
Nov 27 17:26:08 <jow_laptop> Vali: oh btw you should maybe rename "block devices" to "storage devices" and add SPI flash and parallel flash (NAND, NOR)
Nov 27 17:26:24 <jow_laptop> since that is the most common form of storage for openwrt supported devices
Nov 27 17:26:25 <[florian]> Vali: and also all C libraries don't go through a socket interface to the kernel
Nov 27 17:26:33 <[florian]> Vali: not all, at least
Nov 27 17:26:38 <jow_laptop> right
Nov 27 17:27:12 <jow_laptop> just make it  Socket / Syscalls
Nov 27 17:27:15 <jow_laptop> then its right
Nov 27 17:27:34 <[florian]> yep
Nov 27 17:33:59 <Vali> florian: jow: Please review the updated
Nov 27 17:34:02 <Vali> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/106407766/OpenWRT.png
Nov 27 17:34:52 <[florian]> I'd place init at the same level  as busybox utils etc ..
Nov 27 17:35:01 <[florian]> because it actually uses the C standard library
Nov 27 17:35:38 <jow_laptop> well it also manages services through inittab
Nov 27 17:35:48 <jow_laptop> openwrt does not make use of the facility but its there
Nov 27 17:35:57 <jow_laptop> and at least the login shells are spawned this way
Nov 27 17:36:04 <[florian]> right, but it does not talk to the kernel directly using raw syscalls
Nov 27 17:36:11 <jow_laptop> thats correct
Nov 27 17:36:32 <jow_laptop> Vali: move the blue system calls box under init and extend it to the left border
Nov 27 17:37:14 <Vali> yah i will update it.
Nov 27 17:37:20 <jow_laptop> Vali: and between "Linux Kernel" and "Network / WLAN / Ethernet" you can add
Nov 27 17:37:39 <jow_laptop> "MDIO / PCI / GPIO / SPI" ...
Nov 27 17:38:04 <jow_laptop> but thats not strictly openwrt arch but hardware architecture
Nov 27 17:42:26 <Vali> jow: florian:  Please updated image
Nov 27 17:42:28 <Vali> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/106407766/OpenWRT.png
Nov 27 17:42:31 <Vali> check
Nov 27 17:44:42 <jow_laptop> yes
Nov 27 17:44:48 <Vali> jow_laptop: about hardware, once software is completed i will replace generic hardware architecture
Nov 27 17:44:50 <[florian]> looks good from my perspective now
Nov 27 17:45:06 <caog> for something specific to openwrt you might add a box beside 'init' called 'uci'
Nov 27 17:46:13 <Vali> Thanks florian , jow
Nov 27 17:47:07 <Vali> caog:  i am new to OpenWrt , what is UCI ?
Nov 27 17:48:13 <caog> Vali: 'The abbreviation UCI stands for Unified Configuration Interface and is intended to centralize the configuration of OpenWrt.'
Nov 27 17:48:28 <caog> Vali: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/uci
Nov 27 17:49:10 <Vali> I will check it thanks caog.
Nov 27 18:09:18 <OpenWrt-Commits> jow r34390 trunk/package/devel/trace-cmd/Makefile
Nov 27 18:09:18 <OpenWrt-Commits> trace-cmd: lazily evaluate extra plugins list, fixes stray build errors causing by missing operands to cp if the package was never built yet
Nov 27 18:32:19 <OpenWrt-Commits> jow r34391 packages/net/ (8 files in 2 dirs) * xtables-addons: fix RTSP conntrack compatibility with Linux 3.6
Nov 27 18:43:03 <OpenWrt-Commits> florian r34392 trunk/target/linux/mcs814x/files-3.3/arch/arm/mach-mcs814x/Makefile.boot * [mcs814x] remove unused variables from Makefile.boot
Nov 27 18:43:06 <OpenWrt-Commits> florian r34393 trunk/target/linux/mcs814x/files-3.3/arch/arm/mach-mcs814x/board-mcs8140-dt.c * [mcs814x] do not list specific board compatible strings
Nov 27 18:43:10 <OpenWrt-Commits> florian r34394 trunk/target/linux/mcs814x/files-3.3/arch/arm/mach-mcs814x/timer.c * [mcs814x] do not call clk_put() on the timer clock
Nov 27 18:43:13 <OpenWrt-Commits> florian r34395 trunk/target/linux/ ar7/patches-3.3/300-add-ac49x-platform.patch ar7/patches-3.6/300-add-ac49x-platform.patch * [ar7] add AudioCodes AC495 SoC
Nov 27 18:43:16 <OpenWrt-Commits> florian r34396 trunk/target/linux/ brcm63xx/patches-3.3/310-board_leds_naming.patch brcm63xx/patches-3.6/310-board_leds_naming.patch * [brcm63xx] Fix typo in 96338GW power LED.
Nov 27 18:43:19 <OpenWrt-Commits> florian r34397 trunk/include/image.mk * [buildroot] image.mk: don't squash file permissions in JFFS2 images
Nov 27 18:43:24 <OpenWrt-Commits> florian r34398 trunk/target/linux/ (8 files in 2 dirs) * [ar7] use physmap-flash part_probe_types
Nov 27 18:46:01 <DonkeyHotei> [florian]: what's an ac495?
Nov 27 18:46:22 <[florian]> some ar7 "fork" used by audiocodes
Nov 27 18:46:35 <DonkeyHotei> how did that happen?
Nov 27 18:46:36 <[florian]> basically an ar7 without the dsl path and just voice instead
Nov 27 18:46:45 <DonkeyHotei> voice?
Nov 27 18:47:56 <[florian]> yes as in a voice phone call
Nov 27 18:48:11 <DonkeyHotei> any support for that?
Nov 27 18:48:16 <[florian]> no
Nov 27 18:48:44 <[florian]> dangole works on this platform
Nov 27 19:02:28 <DonkeyHotei> Chocks: the problem was that kmod-button-hotplug was not selected in menuconfig
Nov 27 19:05:43 <Chocks> hm
Nov 27 19:05:51 <Chocks> so wasn't even loaded on your system?
Nov 27 20:42:29 <SmugLeaf> /home/weedy/projects/openwrt/build_dir/target-mips_r2_uClibc-0.9.33.2/netifd-2012-10-29/netifd.h:24:29: fatal error: libubox/ustream.h: No such file or directory
Nov 27 20:42:35 <SmugLeaf> the fuck mang
Nov 27 20:54:11 <Chocks> again, in English
Nov 27 21:42:46 <jwendell> hi folks, how do we get files added to mirror2.openwrt.org?
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