**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 27 02:59:58 2013 Oct 27 11:46:53 mazilo: pong Oct 27 11:47:30 luka: I did an update to FS, last night. Have you gotten sometimes to check it out? Oct 27 11:55:25 mazilo: you should drop 'prompt "Git HEAD version to use"' Oct 27 11:55:46 people who need to change it already know how to do it without menu Oct 27 11:57:01 luka: In other words, just to remove the option to allow an option to compile with the latest version? Oct 27 11:57:06 yes Oct 27 11:58:26 mazilo: are you sure you need TAR_OPTIONS+= in Makefile? Oct 27 11:59:12 luka: Yes. I maintain a local copy of FS that share the same source. Oct 27 12:00:03 mazilo: also, please replace $(PKG_NAME) with freeswitch in 'define Package/$(PKG_NAME)/Default' and other defines Oct 27 12:00:17 luka: Why? Oct 27 12:00:30 that applies to this URL:=http://www.$(PKG_NAME).org/ too Oct 27 12:00:55 because it looks ugly, and no need to use that Oct 27 12:02:17 luka: But, that's just cosmetic and I don't feel it that way. Besides, they serve the purpose. Oct 27 12:03:47 mazilo: it's just ugly, and yes while it works there is no reason for that to be there Oct 27 12:03:58 luka: in preparation of chan-lantiq for asterisk11 I added package asterisk11-chan-lantiq, which is currently broken. I will take a look at the source and try to ifdef it according to asterisk version (>asterisk10 renamed a lot of things in their sources). Oct 27 12:04:47 I suppose those variables should be there only if the content of those variables is changed frequently over the time. Oct 27 12:04:53 slachta: ok, i want to add channel driver for freeswitch anyway Oct 27 12:06:18 luka: Honestly, it doesn't look ugly to me. And, I prefer it that way unless it causes some problems with other packages. Oct 27 12:06:26 luka: As with the 'prompt "Git HEAD version to use"', it won't show until the DEVEL option is enabled. Oct 27 12:06:48 luka: So, there is no need to change on this option. Oct 27 12:08:03 mazilo: please point me to any other packages which uses $(PKG_NAME) stuff all over the place like you do Oct 27 12:08:54 luka: What did you mean? Oct 27 12:09:31 i mean, show me which other package uses $(PKG_NAME) like you do Oct 27 12:09:50 luka: For what reason? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 27 12:14:09 2013 Oct 27 12:14:20 luka: Please feel free. Oct 27 12:14:23 mazilo: trying to explain stuff to you takes a lot of time Oct 27 12:14:38 luka: Like wise. Oct 27 12:14:42 for example, how to use git, to use real email, to use real name... Oct 27 12:14:56 KanjiMonster: I think semantics changed a little bit too, I thought I could get inspired by asterisk-chan-dongle which had to be adapted to asterisk11. Oct 27 12:15:37 slachta: it's always good to have a look at how others did it ;) Oct 27 12:15:59 KanjiMonster: yes, they key feature of the foss world if i am not mistaken Oct 27 12:16:05 KanjiMonster: its why i am here ;) Oct 27 12:17:26 luka: Perhaps, if you were to explain properly, I would have understood better. For instance, you told me that 'mazilo' is not my real name. This really pissed me off because 'who the hell were to tell me my name isn't 'mazilo'. However, if you were to have a concern that my full name isn't 'mazilo', I would have understood better. The problem here is the words you use. Oct 27 12:18:05 luka: My full name is 'Mazi Lo'. Oct 27 12:18:47 luka: Since folks and my friends prefer to call me 'mazilo', instead of 'mazi', then 'mazilo' got stick to become my name. Oct 27 12:19:10 mazilo that makes the choice of nick really easy ;) Oct 27 12:19:12 luka: As with real e-mail address, it is the same. Oct 27 12:19:30 blogic: Exactly. Oct 27 12:19:38 mazilo: my real name is john Oct 27 12:19:46 mazilo: makes it impossible ;) Oct 27 12:19:53 my nick was hogged int he 60's;) Oct 27 12:20:08 blogic: LOL. Oct 27 12:24:02 luka: But, thank goodness that you had provided the link w.r.t. a real name and I had no problem to comply to change my name from 'Mazilo' to 'Mazi Lo'. Oct 27 12:26:30 mazilo: the thing with the $(PKG_NAME) is that it (IMHO) makes the makefile harder to read, makes it likely slower to process (since the variable needs to be evaluated several times), and does not add any benefit (I mean, how often do you plan to change the package name ;) Oct 27 12:27:32 KanjiMonster: You got the point there. However, I am not the only one who uses $(PKG_NAME), IIRC. Oct 27 12:33:17 blogic: i was lucky luka expired on freenode so i was able to grab it :D Oct 27 12:39:05 mazilo: yes, other people use $(PKG_NAME) too, but come is this 'URL:=http://www.$(PKG_NAME).org/' really necessary? Oct 27 12:40:24 luka: I don't see any problem with using the 'URL:=http://www.$(PKG_NAME).org/', except being consistent through out the Makefile. Oct 27 12:43:17 mazilo: in general you should try to foolow the style of other packages Oct 27 12:43:34 however i find URL:=http://www.$(PKG_NAME).org/ a rather minimalistic detail Oct 27 12:43:41 if that is all we have to worry about ..... Oct 27 12:45:51 blogic; Frankly speaking, you are right. However, I do have my preferences, too. Oct 27 12:46:01 sure Oct 27 12:46:14 openwrt runs on a rough consensus based approach Oct 27 12:46:25 if $most think A is good then we tend to use A Oct 27 12:46:34 * _rmk_ rather wishes 'rmk' wasn't a registered nick on freenode - I think I used to own it at one point when the psion teklogix netbook had a channel here Oct 27 12:46:41 but its not a "you must use A" that would be counter productive Oct 27 12:47:00 _rmk_: i used to love my psion revo Oct 27 12:47:54 blogic: I agreed with what you said. Oct 27 14:18:29 updated openwrt/upstream, https://home.comcast.net/~sdwalker/uscan/index.html Oct 27 15:07:57 swalker: thx for the update Oct 27 15:09:58 swalker: could you please check why mjpg-streamer didn't pick up the latest version? Oct 27 15:13:35 luka: telephony repository looks like in a good state, almost everything is at latest :) Oct 27 15:14:51 slachta: ;) Oct 27 15:22:34 luka: likely because mjpeg-streamer/'s top revision is 172, (any commits after that went to mjpeg-streamer-experimental/, which is at revision 182) Oct 27 15:29:39 luka: KanjiMonster's correct; svn info https://svn.code.sf.net/p/mjpg-streamer/code/mjpg-streamer | awk '/^Last Changed Rev:/ { print $4 }' -> 172 Oct 27 15:34:34 ok, i cloned from svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/mjpg-streamer/code ;) Oct 27 15:35:02 my nickname is the ugliest, I should have use , but people know me by this nickname since 97', when I started using IRC Oct 27 15:38:27 Devastator: you can use as your nickname SHA-1 hash of your Oct 27 15:38:56 yes, that would be easy to read Oct 27 15:39:19 and also that would be unique :-) Oct 27 15:39:46 nobody cares what nickname do you have, that is what I wanted to say Oct 27 15:41:01 I don't know, when I see those old nicknames being realname or I feel obligated to give me respect :P Oct 27 15:41:10 s/me/my Oct 27 15:42:21 my nick goes back a decade more than that Oct 27 15:42:40 and in the days of 3 and 1200 baud modems, it was common to contract the name Oct 27 15:42:54 so that fewer bytes had to travel over the slow link Oct 27 15:43:09 heheh, must have been fun Oct 27 15:43:16 can't say offhand when I first used irc Oct 27 15:43:31 but, it was certainly a long time ago, and was back in those days Oct 27 15:43:53 I can, just because it took so long for me to get internet Oct 27 15:43:57 my first live connection to the internet, was 1200 baud dedicated connection Oct 27 15:44:27 that routed thru an isdn hub Oct 27 15:44:40 which was located at a friends place Oct 27 15:44:59 bunch of us had pooled for an isdn connection, then had dedicated phone lines into that Oct 27 15:45:17 so, I think it was 8 or 9, sharing a 56k isdn link Oct 27 15:45:30 isnd was one of the things I never had contact Oct 27 15:45:39 errm rather 64k isdn Oct 27 15:45:46 it was used only by major companies here Oct 27 15:46:17 I remember once, walking thru a tradeshow, and seeing a 1200 baud modem for the first time Oct 27 15:46:38 one of the folks I was with, electrical engineer, swore up and down, that was impossible on normal phone line Oct 27 15:47:41 but that's the history behind the nick, one letter from first name, 3 from last Oct 27 15:47:54 i still have my old 1200 baud Oct 27 15:47:55 keep it short, unique, indentifiable Oct 27 15:48:11 Donkey, I still have my very first computer, in a box, in the garage Oct 27 15:48:21 trs-80 model 1, serial 321 Oct 27 15:48:36 in that same box, is the 300 baud modem I had connected to it Oct 27 15:48:37 as do i, but not in the garage Oct 27 15:48:49 commodore vic20 Oct 27 15:49:02 my first modem was a 28800 Motorola SuperSurf, unfortunately I don't have it anymore Oct 27 15:49:20 it has not successfully booted since 1985 but someday i'll get it running again Oct 27 15:49:31 I wonder if I used that 300 baud modem today, would any system actually be able to deal with the incoming call ? Oct 27 15:49:43 from that I got a US Robotics 56K v90 ISA, I still have it and with pride, what a great modem! Oct 27 15:51:24 i was still using that 1200 baud for ppp to the internet Oct 27 15:52:32 eventually upgraded to a prometheus 28.8 Oct 27 15:53:27 in '99 i got a computer with built-in v.90 and kept using that till getting adsl in 2001 Oct 27 15:53:40 same as me Oct 27 15:54:16 256Kbit down, 128Kbit up Oct 27 15:54:20 realaudio streaming over v.90 was fun Oct 27 15:54:43 i had 1.5M down Oct 27 15:55:00 128k up Oct 27 15:55:23 I got first cable modem in 1999, 500K down, never sure on up Oct 27 15:55:28 I just got a better internet in 2007 I think, cable 6Mbit Oct 27 15:55:56 cable company upgraded to 10mbit when the phone company started putting in widespread dsl Oct 27 15:55:59 cable internet was not available here when i got adsl Oct 27 15:56:17 today, I'm a little ways out of town, so, not as good as could be Oct 27 15:56:21 in 2004 i beta-tested adsl2+ technology Oct 27 15:56:26 yup, I was against cable when I read about it Oct 27 15:56:36 cable deliver 100mbit, promises 250 sometime this year Oct 27 15:56:43 i downloaded an entire debian repository as a stress test Oct 27 15:57:14 and the phone company has been pestering folks in our neighborhood over the last 2 weeks, they are upgrading to 50mbit stuff here now, which is available from them only half a km up the road Oct 27 15:58:13 but what I really miss is FTTH I had in EU Oct 27 15:58:32 I never used something I can compare with, it's another world.. Oct 27 15:58:44 my isp is rolling out FTTH Oct 27 15:59:18 the routing, latency, jitter Oct 27 16:00:16 I'll be doing fttb here soone Oct 27 16:00:19 fiber to the barn Oct 27 16:00:21 lol Oct 27 16:00:28 rural area? Oct 27 16:00:44 yah, we are on a couple acres, and, I want data in one of the out buildings Oct 27 16:01:03 it's more than a couple hundred feet, so, when I dig the trench for the conduit, will put a fiber in it Oct 27 16:01:09 we just bought this place in august Oct 27 16:01:27 but my upgrades have to wait, until after the house we used to live in sells Oct 27 16:01:50 till then, extra cash is a slightly scarce commodity Oct 27 16:02:28 the plan for next summer, we will build a roll off roof observatory in the back acre Oct 27 16:02:37 and I want gigabit between that and the house Oct 27 16:02:38 it's nice to live in the woods, I'm gonna do that when I retire Oct 27 16:02:53 it has plusses and minuses Oct 27 16:03:01 humm, fiber uplink :D Oct 27 16:03:11 i'm a city boy all the way Oct 27 16:03:17 I had to buy a bunch of electric fence gear, to protect the beehives from bears, as soon as we move in here Oct 27 16:03:35 I don't mind the woods, as long as it have some technology :P Oct 27 16:03:57 I need to invest in some other new technology now too Oct 27 16:04:14 gonna get a good carbon fibre crossbow, for putting deer into the freezer Oct 27 16:04:18 this area is thick with them Oct 27 16:04:55 groz: ? Oct 27 16:04:55 hum, somebody is going to hunt Oct 27 16:05:09 as in kill the animal yourself by shooting rods at it ? Oct 27 16:05:22 just gonna stand on my back deck, when they are feasting on my wifes garden Oct 27 16:05:31 pfff Oct 27 16:05:33 yes blogic, as in shooting bolts Oct 27 16:05:40 that is nasty Oct 27 16:05:51 no different than any other processing plant Oct 27 16:05:52 i mean go for it .. Oct 27 16:06:04 well i consider them evil aswell ;) Oct 27 16:06:10 meat doesn't grow on styrofoam in the supermarket Oct 27 16:06:21 indeed it does not Oct 27 16:06:29 altho about half the world seems to think it does Oct 27 16:06:32 but killing it yourself does involve a different level Oct 27 16:06:45 nahh, I'm born and raised in the north Oct 27 16:06:54 learned to skin a deer when I was about 6 years old Oct 27 16:07:01 luka r38544 trunk/target/linux/mvebu/patches-3.8 * mvebu: delete empty directory Oct 27 16:07:03 hahah Oct 27 16:07:35 as long as I have good internet and cable tv in the woods, I'm all set Oct 27 16:07:40 standard winter supplies for most families, a moose in the freezer Oct 27 16:08:46 astronomy is the main hobby here aside from computer stuff Oct 27 16:09:01 and openwrt Oct 27 16:09:04 wife and I both have telescopes, that we use to do precision photometry, ie, measuring exoplanets Oct 27 16:09:35 when she got the new job, one of the requirements for buying a new home, out of town, away from the lights, dark sky for the telescopes Oct 27 16:09:39 is the sky cleaner when away from the city? Oct 27 16:09:47 at least I feel that way Oct 27 16:09:50 lack of streetlights, makes it much darker Oct 27 16:09:53 luka r38545 trunk/target/linux/mvebu/patches-3.10 * mvebu: drop patch that has been upstreamed Oct 27 16:10:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6NAcNfrs1U Oct 27 16:10:06 makes sense Oct 27 16:10:13 that's the sky in our back yard, on a semi-clear night Oct 27 16:10:34 small ccd camera, with fisheye lens, pointed strait up Oct 27 16:10:45 15 second exposures, all glued together into a movie Oct 27 16:11:09 it's connected to an old eeepc 701, running openwrt, mounted on one of the outbuildings here Oct 27 16:11:34 what a beautiful view Oct 27 16:11:50 greyscale makes it even better Oct 27 16:11:51 do you know what happens if you try to run openwrt in ESXi 5.1 and older? Oct 27 16:11:59 http://s37.photobucket.com/user/grozzie2/media/Oculus/IMG_0076.jpg.html Oct 27 16:12:00 (x86 target) Oct 27 16:12:05 there's a picture of the camera, mounted Oct 27 16:13:16 701 is buried between the roof beams of that hot tub cover Oct 27 16:13:17 is it diy? Oct 27 16:13:26 starlight xpress occulus Oct 27 16:13:40 it's not a typical video camera, it's a long exposure ccd meant for astronomy Oct 27 16:13:59 groz: nice movie... Oct 27 16:14:08 most video stuff not capable of doing 15 second exposures Oct 27 16:14:15 rather expensive I presume Oct 27 16:14:28 yah, not cheap, but, could be diy a lot cheaper Oct 27 16:14:47 nice porch you have there as well Oct 27 16:14:51 http://youtu.be/9-FL_brgZ6M Oct 27 16:14:59 there's another one, done with 30 second exposure, Oct 27 16:15:22 yah, that porch, that's where we sit and see all the deer Oct 27 16:16:01 I want that too! Oct 27 16:16:17 the camera, or the back porch ? Oct 27 16:16:38 everything! Oct 27 16:16:45 that setup in the hot tub enclosure, no ethernet out to it yet Oct 27 16:17:05 so, I've got a nanostation wired to the 701, which wds links back to the house Oct 27 16:17:13 barbecue grill is already set, you just have to kill some deers hehe Oct 27 16:17:15 and bridges for all the data from the camera, onto the house network Oct 27 16:17:30 yes, that bar-b-q gets used a lot Oct 27 16:17:51 when weather is nice, we are headed into rainy season now, so, it's gonna be cold and wet out there most of the time now Oct 27 16:18:04 is there any cheaper alternative of this camera? Oct 27 16:18:20 most of them are based on a video camera Oct 27 16:18:28 bring it home and keep using it, I love barbecue :D Oct 27 16:18:31 so they can't do the long exposures, which gives the detailed depth of the milky way Oct 27 16:18:59 so from the spot where we took the photo of the camera Oct 27 16:19:02 http://s37.photobucket.com/user/grozzie2/media/bees/hives-1.jpg.html Oct 27 16:19:09 that's turned around looking the other way Oct 27 16:19:18 got our beehives in the back yard Oct 27 16:19:25 then the trail between the trees, top right Oct 27 16:19:34 goes out to another acre of land, also part of this plot Oct 27 16:19:35 bees! Oct 27 16:19:44 fresh honey Oct 27 16:19:54 yah, we got just over a hundred kilos of honey from them this year Oct 27 16:20:26 our new home is a much better location than the old one, so, that'll probably double next summer Oct 27 16:20:49 is all this to make a living or hobby as well? Oct 27 16:21:06 bees are a hobby, but, turning into a small sideline business Oct 27 16:21:18 we get to much honey to eat it all ourselves, so my wife does sell some Oct 27 16:21:30 also, since our new home is rural, and in the agriculture land reserve Oct 27 16:21:40 we qualify for 'farm taxes' if we produce enough product in a year Oct 27 16:21:55 we need to sell a little over 2500 a year in ag products, to qualify for the tax reductions Oct 27 16:22:05 we will expand the hives to meet that over the next couple of years Oct 27 16:22:32 but the bees are a great hobby, something I can walk out of the office to Oct 27 16:22:42 and, it's my 'zero technology' distraction from real work Oct 27 16:22:47 it's also nice to have some field activity Oct 27 16:23:10 the fence was somethng I put up quickly, it's an electric mesh Oct 27 16:23:14 to discourage bears Oct 27 16:23:28 we do have bears in the area, and, a week after we moved in Oct 27 16:23:34 I saw a cougar in our back yard Oct 27 16:23:38 I know that over here pension is not enough to make a living, so I will probably work till I die anyway Oct 27 16:23:49 where is here ? Oct 27 16:23:56 Brazil Oct 27 16:24:07 pension here isn't that great either, but Oct 27 16:24:17 if the home is paid off, one can live on it Oct 27 16:24:18 barely Oct 27 16:24:32 we don't expect to live entirely on canada pension when we retire Oct 27 16:24:37 but, it is a good supplement Oct 27 16:24:42 and, retirement not that far off now Oct 27 16:24:57 brb Oct 27 16:25:23 ok and look out with those cougars, I saw a documentary on friday about them :) Oct 27 16:27:59 I already got my hobby, programming and just now, deutsch Oct 27 16:28:18 haha Oct 27 16:28:38 I've been fussing with programming since I got that first trs-80 Oct 27 16:28:48 at my company, we say we are an ikea shop Oct 27 16:28:52 'some assembly required' Oct 27 16:29:06 I also joined a english class Oct 27 16:29:16 yeah, I miss ikea Oct 27 16:29:24 great furniture for a fair price Oct 27 16:29:51 languages are on our list for 'when we have time', would like to learn some basic spanish Oct 27 16:29:55 what your company actually do? Oct 27 16:30:04 want to do a little travelling in south america after retire Oct 27 16:30:11 embedded systems process control Oct 27 16:30:34 stuff like microprocessor control software for sawmill automation Oct 27 16:30:41 as one example Oct 27 16:30:52 do the firmware for vhf radios for another client Oct 27 16:31:02 interesting Oct 27 16:31:16 one of my clients is a professional observatory, re-wrote all the telescope control for them Oct 27 16:31:17 I may need to talk to you in a few months about it Oct 27 16:31:51 after we get our own little observatory in the back yard Oct 27 16:32:03 I'm hoping to get a project working on active optics Oct 27 16:32:12 so we can put a test system on our own gear :) Oct 27 16:32:23 by telescope control you mean rotation and lens? Oct 27 16:32:29 I have one client considering it Oct 27 16:32:58 control the pointing of the telescope, so, can point it at a specific point in the sky, with an accuracy of half an arcsecond Oct 27 16:33:09 wow Oct 27 16:33:10 then, in real time, guide the mount to keep it there Oct 27 16:33:15 the way we do that, is simple Oct 27 16:33:18 hang on, will get photo Oct 27 16:33:30 gps I suppose?! Oct 27 16:33:45 http://s37.photobucket.com/user/grozzie2/media/Astro/C8_Kwiq.jpg.html?sort=3&o=8 Oct 27 16:33:56 this is one of our own setups, small modest 8 inch telesccope Oct 27 16:34:04 mounte on it, another little 50mm scope Oct 27 16:34:11 so, once big one is pointed accurately at target Oct 27 16:34:16 next year I will be joining several programming classes, and will start an opensource project to test and train Oct 27 16:34:22 run 1/2 second exposures on the little one Oct 27 16:34:36 groz: when you say you are from the north you mean scandinavia ? Oct 27 16:34:38 analyse the star field, and use that to make ultra fine corrections in real time Oct 27 16:34:49 ;) Oct 27 16:34:51 no blogic, british columbia, canada Oct 27 16:35:05 grew up near the yukon border Oct 27 16:35:06 yeah i figured that out Oct 27 16:35:14 scandanavia, is almost 'south' lol Oct 27 16:35:25 actually is about same lattitude for the most part, just other side Oct 27 16:36:01 http://s37.photobucket.com/user/grozzie2/media/Astro/M27-first.jpg.html?sort=3&o=6 Oct 27 16:36:17 that is an example of what comes out of the big telescope, after an hour of exposure time Oct 27 16:36:25 some months ago I decided to apply to one of british columbia universities Oct 27 16:36:39 need to keep it pointed to an accuracy of 1/5000 of a degree, tracking moving stars Oct 27 16:36:42 to produce that output Oct 27 16:36:56 because shutter is open for the exposure, in 5 minute intervals, over a period of hours Oct 27 16:37:15 that's a great picture Oct 27 16:37:17 tracking mounts always have some errors in the gears Oct 27 16:37:26 so, it's gotta be corrected in real time, for this kind of result Oct 27 16:37:39 for some perspective, the field of that shot Oct 27 16:37:44 is about 1/4 of a degree Oct 27 16:37:48 only by software or do you mess with mechanical stuff as well? Oct 27 16:37:59 I buy hardware, write my own software for this Oct 27 16:38:13 that equipment is all 'stock, off the shelf' Oct 27 16:38:26 and mostly rather low end stuff too Oct 27 16:38:53 nice! congratulations, great work Oct 27 16:39:17 it's a fun hobby Oct 27 16:39:36 and something you can profit :) Oct 27 16:39:48 and here is one, I like to say 'only an engineer can appreciate' Oct 27 16:40:01 http://s37.photobucket.com/user/grozzie2/media/Astro/Wasp-10b-full.jpg.html?sort=3&o=7 Oct 27 16:40:21 top half, is measuring the brightness on one star, over a period of a few hours Oct 27 16:40:30 bottom, using same references, a different star Oct 27 16:40:45 in the top one, you can see, it gets dimmer for a period, then brightens again Oct 27 16:40:57 that is a planet moving in front of that star Oct 27 16:41:05 all measured using the equipment in the shots earlier Oct 27 16:41:13 quick look is written by you, right? Oct 27 16:41:26 no, I started using a program I purchased Oct 27 16:41:32 to try this out and see if we could do it Oct 27 16:41:38 called AIP4Win Oct 27 16:41:47 but it's a really unstable thing, crashes a lot Oct 27 16:42:01 started writing my own,a fter we confirmed out equipment was up to the task Oct 27 16:42:14 this was done a few years ago, my 'first' one Oct 27 16:42:44 what's the name of yours? Oct 27 16:43:07 haha, it has not yet been released, and, is called 'TestClient3' in my own svn Oct 27 16:43:08 lol Oct 27 16:43:16 hahaha Oct 27 16:43:24 the plan is, once it's feature complete, it will end up in a public svn Oct 27 16:43:29 probably part of the indi project Oct 27 16:43:43 will it replace quick look? Oct 27 16:43:57 haven't had much time to work on stuff for a couple years, between moving, kids getting married, and paliative parents Oct 27 16:44:05 we just have had no time for hobbies for some time Oct 27 16:44:13 only starting to get back to it over the last month Oct 27 16:44:28 settled into the new home, kids are married and gone, and our one remaining parent, is healthy Oct 27 16:45:01 over the last few years, we've had 3 of our parents go thru paliative phase, which can be VERY time consuming Oct 27 16:46:21 I have 2 Oct 27 16:46:30 had, that is Oct 27 16:46:40 one died a few weeks ago Oct 27 16:50:01 we have one left, he's 80, and is coming to visit for a week next week Oct 27 16:51:45 my grandpa, which is one of the 2, is 94 iirc, it's not senil, but with some trouble to walk Oct 27 17:06:49 my grandpa lived in Bobcaygeon which we considered as "going north". that is about 160km north of Toronto Oct 27 17:07:52 I did a 4 years in Toronto, felt like a 'sentence' Oct 27 17:07:53 lol Oct 27 17:07:59 is where I went to university Oct 27 17:09:54 Grand Bend, ON is the furthest west i ever got :D Oct 27 17:10:37 I spent the first 15 years of my career flying, so, by the time that was done, I had 'been around' Oct 27 17:10:44 and Gatineau, QC the furthest east Oct 27 17:10:56 the only continent I haven't been to, is Australia Oct 27 17:11:04 it's on the to-do list eventually Oct 27 17:11:04 but then again i was born, raised and always have lived in Germany :D Oct 27 17:11:34 my maternal family is from canada Oct 27 17:11:39 I spent a few years flying with a rather 'elitist' group of folks Oct 27 17:11:41 and i also have the citizenship Oct 27 17:11:53 "elitist"? :D Oct 27 17:12:01 we felt that the ultimate 'been there done that' way of showing off Oct 27 17:12:02 * _rmk_ combines your two statements... I've flown a glider in Gatineau :) Oct 27 17:12:13 two photos taken in the same year Oct 27 17:12:36 one showing self at south pole station, the other, showing self with a gps displaying 90N Oct 27 17:13:02 there is only one job in the world that will allow for that, flying a twin otter for Kenn Borek Air Oct 27 17:13:46 guess so :) Oct 27 17:14:12 but, that was decades ago, times change, attitudes change Oct 27 17:14:13 probably also something not many people get to do anyway Oct 27 17:14:43 no, that list is small, count em on one hand, without using thumbs, in any given year Oct 27 17:14:56 i always think of going "back" to canada. but it's just that i'm so much better off here :D Oct 27 17:15:15 it's all perspective, and about what folks want Oct 27 17:15:29 the city boys would look at where we are, and view it as a prison Oct 27 17:15:40 but my wife and I love our new home Oct 27 17:15:44 plan to retire here Oct 27 17:16:14 for me it's just knowing that everything i need is around. i could live anywhere with that granted :D Oct 27 17:24:32 I had the chance of my life and threw it away :) how stupid can I be? Oct 27 17:24:56 there will be more Oct 27 17:25:33 I'm counting on it Oct 27 17:26:29 gonna work really hard these two months and next year Oct 27 17:26:49 and hope for a chance to come up Oct 27 17:33:31 <_trine> groz, what happens if you need hospital treatment? Oct 27 17:33:41 umm, well Oct 27 17:33:50 the hospital is 10 minute drive up the road from here Oct 27 17:34:00 and since my wife is the site director of that hospital Oct 27 17:34:03 <_trine> thats ok then Oct 27 17:34:04 I don't see a problem Oct 27 17:34:12 as for back in the days when I was flying Oct 27 17:34:16 buy a helicopter :) Oct 27 17:34:24 it's just a given, part of the job, when you go to some parts of the world Oct 27 17:34:34 don't expect to find all the modern conveniences Oct 27 17:34:49 learn to be self sufficient Oct 27 17:35:21 <_trine> or just die quietly Oct 27 17:35:58 <_trine> go peaceful into that good night Oct 27 17:36:00 <_trine> :) Oct 27 17:37:18 <_trine> sometimes the practicalities outweigh the benefit of an exclusive location Oct 27 17:37:30 <_trine> but you seem to have it all Oct 27 17:38:46 cyanoacrylate, a belt, a paperclip and sewing thread :P Oct 27 17:38:48 we got everything we wanted Oct 27 17:39:03 it's a nice rural area, a few km out of town Oct 27 17:39:19 no streetlights within 5km Oct 27 17:39:36 just over 2 acres (roughly 1Ha) of land Oct 27 17:44:55 <_rmk_> groz: so you have stars there :) Oct 27 17:46:42 lol, ya, the video kinda proves it Oct 27 18:32:42 build #391 of rb532 is complete: Failure [failed shell_12] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/rb532/builds/391 Oct 27 18:34:45 build #391 of ppc44x is complete: Failure [failed shell_12] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/ppc44x/builds/391 Oct 27 20:48:33 luka r38546 trunk/target/linux/generic/config-3.12 * kernel: add missing 3.12 config symbols Oct 27 20:48:35 luka r38547 trunk/target/linux/generic/patches-3.12/604-netfilter_conntrack_flush.patch * kernel: fix compile error in 3.12 Oct 27 22:13:41 tripolar r38548 packages/net/ ddns-scripts/files/usr/lib/ddns/dynamic_dns_functions.sh ddns-scripts/Makefile ddns-scripts/files/usr/lib/ddns/dynamic_dns_updater.sh ddns-scripts/files/etc/config/ddns * [packages] ddns-scripts: Oct 27 22:16:09 build #424 of orion is complete: Failure [failed compile_8] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/orion/builds/424 Oct 27 22:19:44 build #367 of sibyte is complete: Failure [failed shell_12] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/sibyte/builds/367 Oct 27 23:11:53 jow_laptop: there's several pharma spam tickets on luci's trac Oct 28 00:43:20 I never really poke around my build_dir, but I did today, and found a host of old toolchains, taking up 20+GB Oct 28 00:43:58 Is there any merit in expanding dirclean to rm -rf $(BUILD_DIR)/*? Oct 28 00:44:19 As opposed to the current situation where only the current toolchain is removed? Oct 28 00:55:47 build #377 of avr32 is complete: Failure [failed compile_5] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org:8010/builders/avr32/builds/377 Oct 28 01:07:04 jmccrohan: you can run 'make clean' Oct 28 01:46:44 luka: Something isn't right here.. https://gist.github.com/jmccrohan/7190241 Oct 28 01:51:13 luka: On closer inspection, $(BUILD_DIR) != build_dir Oct 28 01:51:39 luka: $(BUILD_DIR) == build_dir/target-mips_34kc_uClibc-0.9.33.2 Oct 28 01:52:50 So as new toolchains come along, make clean/dirclean doesn't clean up the old ones. Oct 28 02:03:22 luka: rm -rf $(BUILD_DIR_BASE)/* appears to do what I expected according to the documentation http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/build#clean **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 28 02:59:58 2013