**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 18 02:59:57 2020 Apr 18 04:55:21 build #282 of octeon/generic is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org/master/images/builders/octeon%2Fgeneric/builds/282 Apr 18 06:12:42 Stupid question - if PCI cards work in my mt7621 Netgear R6220, it means the GPIOs are working fine, right?? Apr 18 06:12:52 Those two things are dependent, right? Apr 18 06:13:10 and, gpio banks are an abstraction for groups of gpios? Apr 18 07:09:33 ?? Apr 18 07:37:35 mrkiko: I assume so Apr 18 07:37:58 are yours broken? Apr 18 07:40:50 mangix: oh, mechanically I don't know since my devices ar estill closed. Was wondering if, the fact the PCIe cards work ok, are a symptom of the fact that all should be ok from an electronical point of view. Apr 18 07:41:14 mangix: the only thing not working as well is the switch - very worst performance in respect to 4.19 but I guess it's expected Apr 18 07:46:58 mrkiko: DSA is slower. That's to be expected. Apr 18 07:47:26 recent pcie driver fixes should fix most/all problems Apr 18 07:48:45 jow: ping Apr 18 07:49:53 mangix: yeah, infactall works well actually, was wondering if gpio hardware is ok itself Apr 18 07:50:04 mangix: yeah, VERY slower actually, wasn't thinking so much slower :D Apr 18 07:51:16 I have no hardware to test that. I used to have an mt7621 with an ethernet port connected directly. Apr 18 07:51:30 used second GMAC I believe Apr 18 07:52:53 * mangix finds it interesting that MediaTek is taking an active role in mt76 development Apr 18 07:53:25 speaking of which, I wonder of mt7615 is stable yet. Apr 18 07:54:52 mangix: That is because hw nat is not available yet Apr 18 08:06:14 mangix: yeah, I was happy about that; what about mt7603 / 7612 ? Are them stabiel / highly performant? i am not using them enough to say Apr 18 08:06:59 mrkiko: what device do you use? typically, mt76 devices use mt7603/mt7612 Apr 18 08:07:18 dengqf6: does hw nat impact performance even on raw iperf? Didnìt know that Apr 18 08:07:53 mrkiko: wan to lan ? Apr 18 08:08:31 mangix: I am using the Netgear R6220 which of course has 7603 / 7612, but I use it only for the phone and in general I never made much testing. Apr 18 08:08:37 build #264 of ramips/mt7621 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org/master/images/builders/ramips%2Fmt7621/builds/264 Apr 18 08:09:11 dengqf6: iperf client on PC, iperf server on R6220, PC connected to one of lan ports Apr 18 08:09:25 mrkiko: should be fine. In my experience, the cheap china stuff has bad calibration data that kills performance. Apr 18 08:09:40 mrkiko: iperf3 takes over the CPU Apr 18 08:10:25 mangix: don't know if R6220 should be considered that way, even tough it's pretty cheap yes Apr 18 08:10:44 no, not at all Apr 18 08:12:15 mrkiko: running iperf3 server on a MIPS CPU is a bad idea Apr 18 08:15:31 dengqf6: Thank you for the hint. Apr 18 08:17:40 dengqf6: as a data point, my mir3g running iperf3 server shows ~700 MB/s talking via Ethernet to a LAN host. Apr 18 08:18:25 PaulFertser: try playing with zerocopy (-Z) option Apr 18 08:20:36 PaulFertser: the same was true on the R6220 in 4.19, but 5.4 is more or less a 30 MB Apr 18 08:22:30 aparcar[m]: https://gitlab.com/ynezz/openwrt-signify Apr 18 08:22:56 dengqf6: server running on bananapi, client on mir3g with -Z gives 836 and 437 with -R Apr 18 08:23:17 I have another patch to fix 7530 DSA client roaming Apr 18 08:23:33 849 without -Z Apr 18 08:24:24 Running multiple times, I do not see any meaningful difference with and without zero copy. Apr 18 08:25:48 mangix: and, wonder if mediate will help out even with previous chip generations or only from 7615 onward. Apr 18 08:26:02 the latter Apr 18 08:29:01 mangix: think the same; but BTW, the device seems to run stable for days. Apr 18 08:30:59 ynezz: thanks. Apr 18 08:53:36 mrkiko: mediatek employee has only the mt7615 and mt7915 firmware on his github, sooo :) Apr 18 08:54:12 build #277 of x86/64 is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org/master/images/builders/x86%2F64/builds/277 Apr 18 09:55:28 ldir: nice commit messages Apr 18 09:55:51 ???? Apr 18 09:56:21 maybe my staging builder is broken but I read b0ll0x and wibble Apr 18 09:59:41 ynezz: are you trying to get those signify patches to upstream? Apr 18 09:59:46 lol - yes best not look too closely at those commits :-) Apr 18 10:41:11 ynezz: I added your patches and it seem to compile Apr 18 10:42:21 then it should be enough to `MAKE_VARS += VERIFY_ONLY=1` and remove that libbsd depends for target Apr 18 10:43:11 ynezz: already done :) Apr 18 10:43:36 it is however 27.7Kb on x86/64, maybe because of my fingerprint patch...? Apr 18 10:43:51 usign is? Apr 18 10:43:56 usign's size is? Apr 18 10:44:09 IIRC its similar Apr 18 10:44:37 usign is 27.8kb Apr 18 10:44:41 signify is now 27.7kb Apr 18 10:44:49 hours of work, totally worth it Apr 18 10:45:39 I love making images smaller Apr 18 10:48:12 I accidently opened the tools/install build log in libreoffice, 1048 pages Apr 18 11:08:09 I wonder what would be "root anchor" for forcibly having all sorts of ppp related packages selected in menuconfig.. I really don't need it but I can't seem to find start or end of depency chain Apr 18 11:08:56 apparently luci is marked to select that... Apr 18 11:10:47 does that imply that I can't have luci without ppp? :) Apr 18 11:22:49 olmari: i think you need to disable the top luci package Apr 18 11:22:54 one of the collections or sth. Apr 18 11:23:05 then you can untick all the PPP stuff Apr 18 11:24:24 Then I won't have luci... while I can cope generally without it, I feel "forcing" ppp within that is not best practices :) Apr 18 11:24:50 give me a sec. Apr 18 11:25:00 Also not that big of an deal, but surplus stuff is surplus Apr 18 11:25:12 you'll still have luci. you just need to tick most things manually. Apr 18 11:25:34 is there an way to select package, but not have it as an "hard depency" as it seems to be at this case Apr 18 11:26:37 as in luci could still select luci-proto-ppp, which then chooses whatever in conjunction, but make it so that one can still just go unselect the proto-ppp and so on, assuming that ppp related is still wanted to be chosen as default :) Apr 18 11:29:29 Borromini: like I would really know what things to select to achieve similar result without ppp =) Apr 18 11:29:49 olmari: i think the culprit is luci-mod-admin-full Apr 18 11:29:56 check its dependencies. Apr 18 11:30:14 once you untick that, you enable its dependencies manually (except the ppp stuff of course) Apr 18 11:32:03 hi all! i found a bug and possible a fix for the ath79 ethernet driver, i'm available for discussion :) https://bugs.openwrt.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=3015 Apr 18 11:45:35 Borromini: So, would it be good or bad to remove such hard depency (I figure I could try to refresh mine git-fu and try that) Apr 18 11:45:41 but I won't bother if it is deemed to be good as is, no point then =) Apr 18 11:45:53 ..such hard depenct that is Apr 18 11:49:32 if it's just for personal use, you can remove it Apr 18 11:55:54 I know I cana do whatever I desire for own setup, but for new upstream default :) Apr 18 12:01:05 i have no say in that :) Apr 18 12:24:34 So the one Q that still affects what I shall try is that is there possibility to select something per default and not be hard depency? :) Apr 18 12:36:47 no Apr 18 12:41:38 Hi jow is it possible to have the table in luci for Active DHCP Leases show up as a table to screen readers pleas. The way it is now makes it hard to copy mac addresses and IP adresses with the keyboard. Some times when I copy and paste macs or ips they have extra text at the beginning or the end of the line. Apr 18 12:42:57 I can reade the lay out as it is now so its not urgent. Apr 18 13:19:56 oh oh - BTW Luci is very able to confuse Voiceover on my phone :D Apr 18 14:16:08 mrkiko I am talking about when using firefox on the PC I have never tryed it out with a screen reader on a phone. Apr 18 14:59:21 Tapper: yeah, I understood that. Was just talking about my experience - never used Luci with firefox Apr 18 15:00:35 mrkiko if you run windows firefox is fantastic with nvda Apr 18 15:01:52 I found a a11y bug with firefox and it was fixt in 8 hours Apr 18 15:12:08 Tapper: 11y = accessibility ' Apr 18 15:12:30 mrkiko yeah Apr 18 15:12:43 Tapper: yeah, it's good; I didn't understand yet how to interact with notifications in firefox still. I use windows 10 in a VM Apr 18 15:12:54 Tapper: not so much tough Apr 18 15:13:10 alt n works in firefox Apr 18 15:13:24 ah, ok! Was thinking it only worked in edge Apr 18 15:13:47 Tapper: is there a way a blind person can install Windows 10 autonomously? Apr 18 15:14:12 * mrkiko fears being kicked - since we are talking about win 10 in #openwrt-devel Apr 18 15:15:19 mrkiko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA4OWCXbva4 Apr 18 15:15:48 Narrator will now work in the install Apr 18 15:26:42 Tapper: thank you very much, lloking at video right now Apr 18 15:27:09 np dude Apr 18 15:33:31 Tapper: I basically use Windows when I need to browse on sites not easily usable via CLI (lynx or edbrowse). Apr 18 16:09:12 can we update luci documents somehow on the new client API thing, just went to http://mkschreder.github.io/juci/manual/juci.html which is 3 years old but has pretty good doc Apr 18 16:10:39 wish I can help, but I'm still reading the code myself to figure out the lua->js differences Apr 18 16:26:09 https://zhaojh329.github.io/oui/guide/getting-started.html is another vue-based UI for openwrt Apr 18 17:39:21 silly question: is there a specific reason why we don't seem to take advantage of the firmware user fallback mechanism (looking at base-files/files/lib/functions/caldata.sh which copies caldata to flash instead of directly loading it)? Apr 18 17:41:08 ldir: pong Apr 18 18:08:38 jow: Did you manage to look at my rrd files & graph mystery ? Apr 18 18:23:06 does anyone know why wifi interface on my router sends packets in bursts instead of immediately? is this a setting in hostapd or firmware issue? Apr 18 18:26:02 for example when I am connected via ssh to the router and run a command which outputs something once a second, the output is send from router every 3-6 seconds, but if I send input from keyboard, the output is sent immediately. As if the input waked up router's wifi interface Apr 18 18:26:56 (I am using gentoo on the router, not openwrt, so maybe this is some default setting on gentoo since it is not normally a router os) Apr 18 18:32:56 isn't it just because of how wifi works? Apr 18 18:33:20 wait for available airtime, then send. Apr 18 18:33:50 this happens when this is the only connection on the interface Apr 18 18:34:01 there are no other clients Apr 18 18:34:13 and this did not happen on my old router with openwrt Apr 18 18:49:12 kab-el, does it also happens when you're very close to the access point? could it be some power saving on the client? Apr 18 18:51:25 rkreis: it does not happen with other router and it also happens on another client (mobile) Apr 18 18:52:02 rkreis: I think this is either some hostapd setting, or some wireless setting with tx queue or something, or driver issue Apr 18 18:54:04 pretty interesting! but i have no more ideas, sorry Apr 18 18:54:44 it seems as if the router wifi card sends packets only when there is a certain amount of them, and when it has received something Apr 18 18:55:22 so if it isnt receiving anything, it does not send packets immediately after they are queued, but only after some time Apr 18 18:55:25 so you've tried other routers... perhaps it could also be insightful to try another client, if that's not too much trouble? Apr 18 18:55:33 Another odd question: I can't seem to find acme / letsencrypt daemon config stuff either from oldwiki configuration pages... Apr 18 18:55:37 master luci just fails, so I would config it by hand on file, but somehow utter fail on finding anything Apr 18 18:56:07 this happens with different clients (laptop, mobile phone, roommate's laptop) Apr 18 18:56:47 rkreis: it does not happen on the router if there is OpenWRT installed instead of gentoo Apr 18 18:57:09 rkreis: but in gentoo I use the same hostapd config file as on openwrt Apr 18 18:57:45 i see, hmm, i guess you've also thought about drivers, kernel version, hostapd version and so on and so forth Apr 18 18:58:40 ..master luci acme section fails for wahtever reason, is what I meant :) Apr 18 18:58:55 i can't give specific advice :/ i've never observed that, and i've been running hostapd on archlinux for a while Apr 18 18:59:30 the only other useless idea i have is taking a third device just to monitor (raw) wireless trafic, in the hopes of finding anything interesting there, but that's a long shot Apr 18 19:32:57 Okay I did get the acme thing work from CLI, but I still don't know options for example EC cert and whatnot... I know general system I compiled with luci-uhttpod-openssl so that part is there Apr 18 19:37:52 hmm. tcpdump on the router reports UDP pakcets being sent in 1s intervals. yet tcpdump notebook receives them differently. https://pastebin.com/QzgC5p3b Apr 18 19:47:53 I could swear once there existed some form of wiki or such documentation for the "acme" but I nowadays it seems gonsky Apr 18 20:02:50 I programmed a luci app and this app is adding config files in /etc/config/ Apr 18 20:03:07 what options is causing this behavior? :/ Apr 18 20:04:27 nick[m]1: everything in /etc/config/ is basically a human-readable form of uci settings Apr 18 20:04:43 e.g. everything in 'uci show network' is in /etc/config/network Apr 18 20:04:56 it's all parsed uci configuration Apr 18 20:05:25 Maybe there is a mistunderstanding Apr 18 20:05:28 I created a page: m = Map("Hearing Map" Apr 18 20:05:37 And if I visit it, I have an entry in the config Apr 18 20:05:53 so /etc/config/Hearing\ Map Apr 18 20:06:27 nothing with uci Apr 18 20:07:03 the misunderstanding is entirely on your side, kind sir. Apr 18 20:07:47 uci show|grep -i hearing will probably show your uci entry Apr 18 20:08:54 does not show me anything? Apr 18 20:10:35 weird, since /etc/config/* stuff is translated from uci settings afaik, but i'm no authority. nevermind me :) Apr 18 20:12:01 s = m:section(NamedSection, "__hearingmap__") Apr 18 20:12:06 maybe namedsection is wrong? Apr 18 20:15:48 ahhhhh, I have it. Apr 18 20:15:50 SimpleForm instead of Map Apr 18 20:25:50 ..apparently giving "option keylength ec-384" was the proper way... Apr 18 20:28:50 jow: The staging builds work now however it is complicated to keep track of whats build as all builders have the same name. Would you suggest to change the builder names to something like staging-"user"-"branch"-"target" or similar? Apr 18 20:37:17 kab-el: but tcpdump won't show you 802.11 phy stuff, right? Apr 18 20:38:50 i mean, you still don't see any of the RTS/CTS messages, or even retransmissions Apr 18 20:41:11 rkreis: it won't Apr 18 20:42:59 sounds like capturing raw 802.11 is pretty painful, and there's always a chance you won't learn anything new, but still, it's what i'd try next. https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/WLAN Apr 18 20:57:54 Hi. Please recommend a 4G/LTE router with openwrt. I was checking the list of supported routers for 4G/LTE but none of them looked promising. Apr 18 21:04:17 you can use a 4g/lte usb dongle with any router that has usb Apr 18 21:16:07 any dongle with 2x sma antenna connector? Apr 18 21:26:53 the connectors on the dongle are ~irrelvant to openwrt's side of it Apr 18 21:31:14 I've accustomed to love sierra wireless cards... no OEM relly makes any usb dongles as is nowadays... but few bucks one can get minipeciex-usb "adapter" Apr 18 21:31:27 or whatever the form factor Apr 18 21:36:23 yeah, usb 4g seems to be a much thinner field that it was a year or two ago Apr 18 21:38:10 nowadays I have external modem unit alltogether, with "IP-passthrough" mode, though it too incorporates same deal I described.. or sierra wireless 4g chip and whatnot... not essentially same thing Apr 18 21:39:34 but if a person asks me what to do, I would recommend what I said... desired openwrt capable device with usb, sierra wireless 4g unit and adapter for that to usb (with sim slot) Apr 18 21:39:42 there are very few mini pcie ones now also Apr 18 21:42:37 I'd recommend any old mini-itx x86 atom over "random" consumer grade box for router part, but instructions unclear ;) Apr 18 21:49:46 my isp sells some zyxel usb device that works as a usb dongle, it's just not dongle shaped, and has it'ðs own battery and screen, Apr 18 21:49:50 but it can be used as a dongle Apr 18 21:50:17 https://www.zyxel.com/products_services/LTE-Portable-Router-WAH7706/ Apr 18 21:50:54 issue with those is that one rarely can get IP form ISP with those on usb Apr 18 21:51:08 always NAT through the soap-bar Apr 18 21:51:32 well, that's what you get if you want to use LTE internet... Apr 18 21:53:20 uhm... Apr 18 21:53:27 no Apr 18 21:53:35 :) Apr 18 21:57:38 Well, you usually do get IPv4 NATed anyway, those just make it a double NAT for additional horror Apr 18 21:59:34 I can't speak for all countries and all ISP's, but fortunately public IPv4 is an option for Telia in Finland, while withing some cents per month (aka not free), and IPv6 is a thing in most sense with LTE ISP's here too, what ever ways each does it (always could be better) Apr 18 22:00:44 Finland is.. small. :) Apr 18 22:02:58 Apart that not every ISP anywhere has public IPv4 at disposal, I'm more annoyed that IPv6 _still_ is not really an thing _properly_ at times Apr 18 22:07:10 I once read somewhere that some mobile carries aren't actually managing their own core network infrastrcuture themselves and that they have no idea at all why some cusomters get IPv6 and some don't Apr 18 22:07:53 nowadays you just busy a full service package from huawai or whatever and they build and manage that infra for you Apr 18 22:08:01 s/busy/buy/ Apr 18 22:08:20 jow: mh... incompetent "roaming ISP" (: Apr 18 22:09:01 or I mean, there exist some LTE/"mobile phone" ISP's in Finland too where they operate on someone elses network Apr 18 22:09:11 jow: That's mildly terrifying. Apr 18 22:09:28 Probably not the case here, but I imagine the lack of competence is still similar. Apr 18 22:09:41 my email was disabled on openwrt-devel due to too maby bounces. I'm using the gandi webmail, is that a problem on gandis side? Apr 18 22:09:54 s/maby/many Apr 18 22:09:54 (Huawei being not allowed on our core) Apr 18 22:09:56 Monkeh: why should telecom work differently from any other globalized industry Apr 18 22:10:15 jow: 'badly with maximum profit'? Indeed. Apr 18 22:10:58 But, well, there are reasons it should be different - government and military infrastructure sharing the platform, for instance. Apr 18 22:10:59 buy everything elsewhere and just do final integration - if at all - at the target market Apr 18 22:11:11 usually not even integration but just (re)branding Apr 18 22:12:02 But the outer edges are certainly just packaged. BT just pays $INSERT_COMPANY_HERE to build a box they can terminate cables into for the last mile. Apr 18 22:12:07 yeah right... maybe its better elsewhere but in germany you've got a government largely without any clue and no military to speak of Apr 18 22:12:39 jow: Well, I'm in the UK - so we've got a government entirely without a clue and a military which doesn't have planes for its carriers. :) Apr 18 22:13:12 And we're still rehashing a rifle which was a total failure on first procurement Apr 18 22:13:39 well, we have neither carriers nor working planes, but broomsticks Apr 18 22:13:43 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/germany-s-neglected-soldiers-forced-to-use-broomstick-as-a-gun-glnqbndf6 Apr 18 22:13:49 but those rifles are the cheapest best rifles, saving 300million pounds for the nhs right? Apr 18 22:14:11 the guns they got here can't shoot straight :) Apr 18 22:14:12 sorry, 350million. Apr 18 22:14:14 a week even! Apr 18 22:14:21 karlp: Not after paying HK to fix them they ain't! Apr 18 22:14:35 was just a brexit joke, not very good I admit :) Apr 18 22:14:39 jow: Well, that's really a bit of an exaggeration.. :) Apr 18 22:14:51 like any healt service anywhere would see better money because of military samves something.. both are political goals, independant from eachothers ;P Apr 18 22:15:00 slightly ;) Apr 18 22:15:15 G36 is actually pretty nice, but, y'know, it's not a machine gun or a sniper rifle Apr 18 22:15:21 And apparently some people expect it to be both at once Apr 18 22:15:43 * Monkeh looks at L85 and L86 Apr 18 22:15:44 Hmm. Apr 18 22:16:04 need to hit the bed... good night guys Apr 18 22:16:19 * karlp waves Apr 19 01:21:54 build #150 of malta/be is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org/openwrt-19.07/images/builders/malta%2Fbe/builds/150 Apr 19 02:38:58 build #148 of mpc85xx/generic is complete: Success [build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.openwrt.org/openwrt-19.07/images/builders/mpc85xx%2Fgeneric/builds/148 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 19 02:59:57 2020