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Sep 29 06:20:46 <ljp> chouimat|ibook: good to hear!
Sep 29 06:33:32 <goxboxlive> good morning
Sep 29 06:47:30 <ljp> hi
Sep 29 07:10:59 <goxboxlive> ljp: what will happend with OPIE_II now? Will it be left since Qtopia is out opensource?
Sep 29 07:12:07 <goxboxlive> I have merged Opie II source and Qtopia-4.3.0. Onlys edited the general.pri. Havent started it yet, it's building. I let you know the result.
Sep 29 07:16:16 <ljp> not real sure
Sep 29 07:32:33 <goxboxlive> ljp: but wil we be able to add stuff to the source, or is Qtopia as it is?
Sep 29 07:40:39 <ljp> to opieII sure. I was planning on putting 4.3.0 there
Sep 29 07:45:20 <goxboxlive> ljp: good
Sep 29 13:29:33 <goxboxlive> ljp: opieII merged with Qtopia-latest snapshot runs just fine. Just edit general.pri and remeber the Helix stuff and it will build and run fine.
Sep 29 13:30:12 <goxboxlive> I tried buidling it with gcc-4.2.1 but it refuse to start, so i had to go back to gcc-4.1.2 (the openmoko crosscompiler)
Sep 29 14:36:40 <chouimat|ibook> ljp: works like a charm ... charged for 15 hours (I didn't plan to get up at 5am) screen was still on 
Sep 29 14:37:18 <chouimat|ibook> morning
Sep 29 14:39:49 <jott> chouimat|ibook: nice
Sep 29 14:42:50 <jott> any news on helix? 
Sep 29 14:43:22 <chouimat|ibook> jott: yup now I'm trying to take picutres of my cat, office ... i don't knonw why but it's easier with the office
Sep 29 14:45:07 <jott> hm strange.. as i thought the world would revolve around cats and hence the office must move and the cats are still ;)
Sep 29 14:48:20 <chouimat|ibook> :)
Sep 29 15:31:32 <goxboxlive> anyone familar with Hayes AT commands?
Sep 29 15:33:05 <sagacis|asleep> A little bit.  What commands are you looking for?
Sep 29 15:33:23 <goxboxlive> AT+CMGF= WHat is it equal?
Sep 29 15:33:36 <goxboxlive> It sends 19
Sep 29 15:33:44 <goxboxlive> but it hangs the modem.
Sep 29 15:34:10 <goxboxlive> when i look in the WINCE log i see it sends AT+CMGF=23. What is the diffrense of 19 and 23 ?
Sep 29 15:34:17 <sagacis> SMS Text mode.  The options are 0 and 1, I think.
Sep 29 15:34:44 <goxboxlive> AtChat :  T : "AT+CMGS=19"
Sep 29 15:34:56 <goxboxlive> this is the log. 
Sep 29 15:35:25 <sagacis> CMGF or CMGS?
Sep 29 15:35:52 <sagacis> CMGS is the nujmber to send the SMS message to, I think.
Sep 29 15:35:54 <goxboxlive> in WINCE: 0:9:22 Tx:AT+CGSMS?\r
Sep 29 15:35:54 <goxboxlive> 0:9:22 Rx:+CGSMS: 3\r\n0\r
Sep 29 15:35:54 <goxboxlive> 0:9:22 Tx:AT+CMGS=23\r
Sep 29 15:36:04 <goxboxlive> sorry i mean of course "S" . 
Sep 29 15:36:10 <goxboxlive> i am trying to send a sms
Sep 29 15:36:28 <sagacis> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/47165-39-commands-cmgs-quot-send-short-message-quot
Sep 29 15:37:58 <goxboxlive> hmm ok, thx
Sep 29 16:14:54 <goxboxlive> well now i have sms in/out and making calls in/out working on HTC Universal :-) 
Sep 29 16:18:11 <torarne> goxboxlive: you rock! :)
Sep 29 16:18:15 <torarne> good work!
Sep 29 16:18:51 <goxboxlive> thx :-) miss system sound though :-)
Sep 29 16:19:15 <torarne> you'll get there :)
Sep 29 16:20:20 <goxboxlive> I guess we will. But we need a more improved sounddriver. And that's not up to me. No i am gonna check out HTC Magician (Qtek 100) and see if we can get the phone working on that too. :-)
Sep 29 16:25:04 <goxboxlive> ohh itr's unstable though. I rebooted the phone and now it wouldnt work :-) .. DEBUG............
Sep 29 17:49:57 <goxboxlive> Is anyone having the Operator name working in 4.3.0?
Sep 29 17:57:05 <jott> on the greenphone it works (if you mean the operator name displayed on the homescreen)
Sep 29 18:05:40 <chouimat|ibook> wow 4.3.0 is nice on my gp
Sep 29 18:07:50 <jott> yeah... given some little glitches here and there its really sweet
Sep 29 18:08:14 <jott> and its not even final ;)
Sep 29 18:08:16 <chouimat|ibook> jott: didn't try the phone yet ... need to go get a sim card 
Sep 29 18:08:33 <jott> ah reminds me.. i have to order another sim card ;)
Sep 29 18:14:10 <goxboxlive> Ok, so the Operator name in the homescreen work. I dont have it working, it jsut shows "0"
Sep 29 18:15:19 <goxboxlive> DOes Loaction on the howscreen works ? (what is it btw)
Sep 29 18:18:16 * chouimat|ibook miss a console app
Sep 29 18:21:52 <goxboxlive> yes, but chouimat|ibook ljp has stated making one. It's located in the Opie2 source. It should work, but you cant see what you type yet :-)
Sep 29 18:22:43 <chouimat|ibook> goxboxlive: first thing first need to get my setup working 
Sep 29 18:22:50 <goxboxlive> :-)
Sep 29 18:27:29 <jott> chouimat|ibook: which version of 4.3.0 do you run? 
Sep 29 18:27:43 <jott> (like snapshot-xxxx/preview)
Sep 29 18:30:58 <chouimat|ibook> jott: preview ... the greenphone image that was once on qtopia.net ;)
Sep 29 18:33:06 <jott> hehe
Sep 29 18:33:20 <jott> yeah gone forever ;)
Sep 29 18:34:13 <chouimat> jott: what happened to it? or more exactly why was it removed
Sep 29 18:34:26 <jott> dunno.. 
Sep 29 18:35:11 <jott> maybe because it always crashed when editing contact details ;)
Sep 29 18:35:33 <jott> and the userland is a bit buggy too
Sep 29 18:35:40 <jott> but.. hey its a preview ;)
Sep 29 19:53:07 <ljp> chouimat|nap: ya, I can;t even use 4.2 anymore. 4.3 kicks its ass
Sep 29 19:53:36 <ljp> hmmm..
Sep 29 19:53:42 <chouimat> soon the sdk will be compiled on my ibook ... I hope :)
Sep 29 19:53:44 * ljp checks thge dl of gp preview image
Sep 29 19:54:58 <chouimat> ljp: I want the default look of 4.3 in kde4 ... look so much better than  oxygen :)
Sep 29 19:58:25 * ljp goes and adds gp preview image again
Sep 29 20:05:03 <ljp> there
Sep 29 20:06:05 <goxboxlive> hi ljp 
Sep 29 20:06:11 <ljp> hello
Sep 29 20:06:43 <ljp> neo downloads are kickin greenphone's ass
Sep 29 20:06:53 <goxboxlive> ljp:  i am moving forward. I have now sms working too :-) I disabled the cellbroadcasting and now it calls just fine
Sep 29 20:07:04 <ljp> hmm. ok
Sep 29 20:07:07 <goxboxlive> struggling a little with GPRS now.
Sep 29 20:07:29 <ljp> ya. thats next for the neo too. but we are waiting till we get the good one back in the office
Sep 29 20:07:41 <goxboxlive> ok
Sep 29 20:07:44 <ljp> too bad there is no wap stack in qtopia
Sep 29 20:08:07 <goxboxlive> there isent?
Sep 29 20:08:11 <ljp> I found a lgpl one that I might look into
Sep 29 20:08:18 <goxboxlive> what is the wap account i have created then?
Sep 29 20:08:19 <ljp> no. 
Sep 29 20:08:28 <ljp> i dunno
Sep 29 20:08:32 <goxboxlive> :-)
Sep 29 20:08:43 <goxboxlive> But MMS should work right?
Sep 29 20:08:50 <ljp> who would think a mobile phone needs a wap stack
Sep 29 20:08:55 <ljp> not without wap
Sep 29 20:09:04 <goxboxlive> ok
Sep 29 20:09:16 <goxboxlive> will it be available soon?
Sep 29 20:09:38 <ljp> i wil talk to the comm guy to see how difficult it might be to use the one I found
Sep 29 20:09:58 <ljp> wap is handled in greensuites - by our partners
Sep 29 20:09:59 <goxboxlive> good
Sep 29 20:10:02 <chouimat> the only I found is in java 
Sep 29 20:10:03 <goxboxlive> ok
Sep 29 20:10:09 <ljp> but that doesn;t mean opieII cant have one
Sep 29 20:10:30 <goxboxlive> :-) i am actually running OPIEII now (merges with 4.3.0)
Sep 29 20:11:03 <ljp> there is an open source wap lib in kannel
Sep 29 20:11:56 <ljp> goxboxlive: have you submitted it to opieII?
Sep 29 20:12:29 <goxboxlive> ljp: do you mean the htcphone device?
Sep 29 20:13:31 <ljp> with whatever you are running :)
Sep 29 20:14:12 <goxboxlive> :-) No i havent. I havent write access either (dont want it, i'll probably mess it up). 
Sep 29 20:15:01 <goxboxlive> I think it's babelo who shall commit the htcphone, but we need to clean it up a little. We also want to have a common device formost of the HTC phones.
Sep 29 20:15:28 <goxboxlive> I'll soon start to look at HTC Magician and get it running with Qtopia to.
Sep 29 20:17:19 <ljp> nice
Sep 29 20:17:41 <ljp> do you blog? if so, you should blog about it, and I will email the blog internally :)
Sep 29 20:20:16 <goxboxlive> No i dont blog.
Sep 29 20:21:14 <chouimat> hmmm this kannel thing might just be the long term solution for my app ...
Sep 29 20:26:32 <bedboi> hi there...
Sep 29 20:26:46 <bedboi> is there any terminal application for qtopia?
Sep 29 20:26:58 <goxboxlive> :-), not yet
Sep 29 20:30:21 <bedboi> hmmm too bad.
Sep 29 20:31:25 <ljp> there is! provided you have ssh access :)
Sep 29 21:01:42 <chouimat> hehe
Sep 29 23:02:03 * jott tries to understand the QPhoneNumber::matchNumbers algorithm and why it's not working
Sep 29 23:33:31 <jott> hm i *think* nokias matching algorithm just counts the number of equal digits from the end to a mismatch and has some threshold to state if the numbers matches?! 
Sep 29 23:35:11 <jott> (i realized this as a friend changed his prefix but kept his number and the phone still recongnized him but i could not call him ;)
Sep 30 00:23:23 <ljp> jott: sounds like a bug to me
Sep 30 00:28:28 <chouimat> jott: scary
Sep 30 00:33:55 <j0tt> ljp: yes.. it's a bug.. but i guess it's not so trivial to solve ;)
Sep 30 00:34:03 <j0tt> if the current approach is used..
Sep 30 00:38:46 <j0tt> i guess my proposal is much less error prone ;)
Sep 30 00:39:08 <j0tt> (but maybe a bit fuzzy)
Sep 30 01:05:26 <j0tt> mh the task tracker still only allows to file bug reports against qtopia 4.2.2 :p
Sep 30 01:57:22 <ljp> hmm
Sep 30 01:57:27 <ljp> thats a bug as well 
Sep 30 01:57:33 * ljp mumbles
Sep 30 02:04:17 <j0tt> ah and another bug i found: importing a vcf does not get the birthday 
Sep 30 02:07:04 * j0tt pokes qtopiapim
Sep 30 02:09:24 <j0tt> but this one is easy to fix ;)
Sep 30 02:14:29 <j0tt> ljp: whats the best way to supply a patch? mail it as attachment to qt-bugs@tt or just paste it in the web report?
Sep 30 02:35:07 <ljp> either/or I think both goes to the same place
Sep 30 02:35:26 <ljp> if you email it, CC me
Sep 30 02:37:40 <j0tt> lpotter@tt ?
Sep 30 02:38:22 <j0tt> the patch is trivial - if you like to review apply: http://sse2.net/qcontact-datefix.diff ..
Sep 30 02:47:24 <ljp> i will send that on
Sep 30 02:50:59 <j0tt> thanks.. note that besides the YYYY typo ISODate is mandatory as in rfc2426 ;)
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