**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 21 02:59:56 2007 Oct 21 04:57:49 anyone have an ipk of konq embedded that wil work in a current angstrom opie image? Oct 21 04:57:52 (1.2.3 that is) Oct 21 04:58:26 I patched up and built the latest version but it segfaults after loading even google Oct 21 08:47:19 QPowersource ? Oct 21 11:03:24 ok, so I've given up with the 4.3 build for now... flashing 4.2.4 now Oct 21 11:03:26 :/ Oct 21 11:03:28 I hope the trolls come out with a 4.3 flash image soon Oct 21 11:08:51 ? Oct 21 11:09:03 for neo1973 or other ? Oct 21 11:09:59 greenphone Oct 21 11:10:00 there is a 4.3 preview for the gp Oct 21 11:10:24 ljp: yeah, but I can't compile it Oct 21 11:10:25 tried for two days to get helix installed Oct 21 11:11:24 for some reason, the build system always fails, no matter what I try (and I followed the FAQ on qtopia.net as well) Oct 21 11:20:43 ljp: any help from trolltech as to making helix work for 4.3? Oct 21 12:16:34 actually there must be someone at tt who managed to make a proper cvs checkout .. should not be *that* hard after all, if you know the basic quirks - ljp, please steal his ~/.bash_history :) Oct 21 12:29:59 j0tt: the checkout wasn't a problem, I have current svs of helix sources and build system here Oct 21 12:30:24 the question is, how to integrate that in qtopia Oct 21 12:30:26 *cvs Oct 21 12:32:52 copy it to src/3rdparty/libraries/helix/src should work if the checkout is correct ;) Oct 21 12:33:23 how did you do the checkout? Oct 21 12:35:50 according to the docs on the helix-community site Oct 21 12:36:04 you need an account and upload your pubkey and stuff Oct 21 12:36:09 yes sure Oct 21 12:36:27 I copied it to that location, it says "Helix PRESENT", but it fails at running its buildsystem Oct 21 12:36:28 but then you use a script to do a platform specific checkout Oct 21 12:36:44 yeah, you use the build.py that is part of the build system Oct 21 12:37:20 so in conclusion i assume the checkout is broken somehow.. thats the point where i stopped digging ;) Oct 21 12:37:47 (like build system started etc. but then failed) Oct 21 12:38:14 you can compare it roughly to the structure of the 4.2.x snapshot Oct 21 12:38:45 (that when placed in the 4.2.x helix/src/ dir works fine) Oct 21 12:41:24 I have no idea where to put the build system Oct 21 12:41:26 qtopia has its own version of the build system, but misses build.py Oct 21 12:41:33 if I just copy it over, it still doesn't work Oct 21 12:42:24 in theory, I shouldn't even need the build sys, the sources should be enough... but no-go Oct 21 12:43:01 you put the stuff in trolltech/src .. Oct 21 12:43:06 there are already some additional files Oct 21 12:43:26 that should match the structure of your checkout, like build/ client/ etc. Oct 21 12:43:43 that's where the source should go.. Oct 21 12:44:57 so I copy the whole helix-build dir I checked out into trolltech/src/build? Oct 21 12:45:05 and link the sources themselves to src/? Oct 21 12:45:30 no .. the checkout should have the same structure as in trolltech/src/ Oct 21 12:46:14 holdon .. i'll check if i remember this right ;) Oct 21 12:46:24 so first I checked out the build system, then the sources... Oct 21 12:46:28 so now I have two directories Oct 21 12:46:40 sorry Oct 21 12:46:49 put the stuff in src/ Oct 21 12:46:54 the source directory looks pretty much like the one you could download as a tar.gz Oct 21 12:46:54 not trolltech/* Oct 21 12:47:02 yeah, so that's where the sources go Oct 21 12:47:24 but what happens to the build system? Oct 21 12:47:35 I might just try to copy that into trolltech/src/build Oct 21 12:47:39 no.. Oct 21 12:47:56 look at the .tar.gz :) your checkout should look like this Oct 21 12:48:24 the tar.gz only contains a src/ directory Oct 21 12:48:41 that's similar to what I get after running build.py and checking out the sources from cvs, so I guess that should go to src/ Oct 21 12:48:55 yes Oct 21 12:49:09 thats the basic idea that makes sense to me ;) Oct 21 12:49:24 but that doesn't help, since qtopia then detects the helix sources, but cannot run build.py because it does not exist Oct 21 12:49:43 so I am quite sure that qtopia _also_ needs a snapshot of the helix build system (which contains build.py and a lot of *.cfs) put _somewhere_ Oct 21 12:50:39 only thing I didn't try yet is just copying that into trolltech/src/build (since the files there fit into the structure of the helix build sys) Oct 21 12:50:52 I tried helix/build, without success Oct 21 12:53:56 jott: did you get my last messages? Oct 21 12:54:08 no.. i don't think so ;) Oct 21 12:54:24 so I am quite sure that qtopia _also_ needs a snapshot of the helix build system (which contains build.py and a lot of *.cfs) put _somewhere_ Oct 21 12:54:26 only thing I didn't try yet is just copying that into trolltech/src/build (since the files there fit into the structure of the helix build sys) Oct 21 12:54:30 I tried helix/build, without success Oct 21 12:54:59 well that's my point .. your snapshot is not right Oct 21 12:55:05 :p Oct 21 12:55:23 my qtopia snapshot? Oct 21 12:55:26 or my helix snapshot? Oct 21 12:55:26 all should go in src/3rdparty/libraries/helix/src Oct 21 12:55:29 helix Oct 21 12:55:35 like with 4.2.x Oct 21 12:55:56 the helix snapshot (tar.gz) only contains a src/ dir without a build sys! Oct 21 12:56:10 no it has a build system Oct 21 12:56:20 its just renamed build -> build.sys in later helix versions Oct 21 12:56:46 oh, it has a build sys, but no build.py Oct 21 12:56:49 I see Oct 21 12:56:58 er ..build.py Oct 21 12:56:58 ok, I may try copying it into the helix sources then Oct 21 12:56:58 right Oct 21 12:57:14 and the 4.3 qtopia release expects build.py Oct 21 12:57:29 where as the 4.2 qtopia releases use build Oct 21 12:58:50 o, I'll try Oct 21 12:58:53 ok Oct 21 13:00:24 nned to run though, l8r Oct 21 13:00:54 thx :) Oct 21 13:56:49 morning Oct 21 16:09:25 hmm, I'm packaging qtopia-core 4.x, should I use qtopia-core4 or qtopia4-core as a name? what do you guys think? Oct 21 16:10:39 yeap, qtopia4-core Oct 21 16:15:06 hmm, now, should it be qtopia4-core-dev-tools? or just qtopia4-dev-tools? Oct 21 16:39:23 is anyone even here? :P Oct 21 17:25:00 angasule: i guess using -core everywhere makes it consistent esp. as qtopia != qtopia core ;) Oct 21 17:25:46 what is qtopia exactly? Oct 21 17:28:45 just a brand? Oct 21 17:33:24 mpf. helix still doesn't build. -_- Oct 21 17:41:20 Sput: :( Oct 21 17:41:59 angasule: the name for the "platform family" or something like this ;) Oct 21 17:42:24 Build System Error: Unconfigured SYSTEM_ID=linux-2.2-libc6-xscale-cross-gcc32 Oct 21 17:42:35 even though the *.cf is there Oct 21 17:42:46 the cf needs to be registered within the build.. Oct 21 17:43:40 yeah, so how do I do that? Oct 21 17:43:42 i already passed that point.. and it seems its not better with recent qtopia and/or helix snapshots :/ Oct 21 17:44:20 grep for AddPlatform in the source there is a file.. Oct 21 17:44:30 i don't know how it is really meant to be done :( Oct 21 17:44:45 you can add the platform defintion and get a bit further in the build Oct 21 17:45:04 but it breaks somewhere else as the cvs checkout script does not get all files needed Oct 21 17:45:24 -_- Oct 21 17:45:30 so there is no point in recompiling again just now, right? Oct 21 17:45:53 i suppose.. i tried it ~ a month ago... Oct 21 17:46:18 i would say it should be possible if you have the right checkout ;) Oct 21 17:47:20 i think the cf determines which platform specific part is checked out and the pf what features should be used Oct 21 17:47:48 so getting all stuff that is defined in the qtopia pf would probably the way to go.. in some way Oct 21 17:48:00 well, I can set one SYSTEM_ID value Oct 21 17:48:24 question is, do I set the 586 system there or the arm one Oct 21 17:48:26 or whatever Oct 21 17:48:26 or bug tt that theier release manager should do a proper snapshot that can be distributed via helixcommunity.org Oct 21 17:49:04 well i guess some arm brand... or even the one defiend in device/greenphone/ Oct 21 17:49:25 but..i really cant say for sure.. as i also gave up on it in lack of time .. Oct 21 17:49:55 the helix build system *is* sick.. Oct 21 17:50:12 why cant they just provide a simple source code... :/ Oct 21 17:50:36 hm, the AddPlatform that's missing is in trolltech/src/build/qtopiaplatforms.py Oct 21 17:50:47 I wonder why it doesn't get called? Oct 21 17:51:07 yeah.. dunno should be.. in the helix dir there is another file which name i forgot Oct 21 17:51:28 I can just copypaste that stuff over in the helix source Oct 21 17:52:15 yes as i said thats what i did and after this still did not work i gave up ;) Oct 21 17:52:23 so try it and maybe you find the next step ;p Oct 21 17:54:53 still it might be easier to bug tt abit that the one who is actually responsibe for this give some short instructions ;) .. maybe you could write to qtopia-interest@tt or so.. Oct 21 17:59:51 that a valid address? Oct 21 18:02:23 yes lists.trolltech.com/qtopia-interest/ Oct 21 18:30:36 jott: why change something that work? (speaking o helix buildsystem) Oct 21 18:33:57 Closed: WORKSFORME ? ;) Oct 21 18:43:24 chouimat|tv: dunno, doesn't work for me Oct 21 18:43:35 I just did a fresh checkout of both qtopia and helix, we'll see... Oct 21 22:35:32 this is so much fun... Qtopia creates its own buildrc for helix, which overrides the .buildrc I put in my $HOME containing information that seems to be vital... Oct 21 22:35:52 so now I have to find out how to hack qtopia in a way that it writes a decent buildrc -_- Oct 21 22:45:48 Target 'splay_nodist_qtopia' was not found in bif... Oct 21 22:45:50 -_- Oct 21 22:47:13 which helis tree are you using? Oct 21 22:47:16 helix Oct 21 22:49:27 build/bin/build.py -h -m hxclient_1_5_0_cayenne splay_nodist Oct 21 22:49:32 is what I used to check out Oct 21 22:49:55 according to the docs on qtopia.net Oct 21 22:50:42 which qtopia version? Oct 21 22:50:52 4.3, current snapshot Oct 21 22:50:59 wel, oct 20th Oct 21 22:51:35 hmm. ok. I think we changed helix tree's, ut I am not quite sure which one. I will talk to the media guys today about that, as we need to update the helix source code release for Qtopia Oct 21 22:51:57 oh, that'd be great... if you keep us guys here posted :) Oct 21 22:52:12 will do Oct 21 22:52:23 I've been trying to build the SDK for three days now, and it always fails at helix Oct 21 22:52:49 thanks in advance Oct 21 23:02:29 ya, soory. so have a few other people Oct 21 23:02:32 err sorry Oct 21 23:03:06 not a problem, at least I know now that the problem is taken care of... and updated docs will hopefully appear sometime soon :) Oct 21 23:07:39 guys, while working on the packaging, we found two issues of note: Oct 21 23:09:16 pkgconfig should have its own -pkgconfigdir (so the .so can go inside a directory) Oct 21 23:09:31 also, there should be a -dirfonts Oct 21 23:09:40 ljp: still here ? Oct 21 23:10:27 anyone even cares? Oct 21 23:15:12 ljp: a preview ;) http://linuxbox2.free.fr/blueangel/capture27.png Oct 21 23:16:52 qtopia 4.3 is _so_ _shiny_ Oct 21 23:17:24 BabelO: what is that going to be? Oct 21 23:17:43 an IM for qtopia Oct 21 23:17:50 4.4 will include webkit :) Oct 21 23:18:24 BabelO: ah ok, we are developing an IRC client Oct 21 23:18:54 Sput: who ? you ? Oct 21 23:18:56 http://quassel-irc.org/quasseltopia6.png :) not as shiny though Oct 21 23:19:04 me and EgS, basically Oct 21 23:19:24 plus a third guy Oct 21 23:19:42 nice Oct 21 23:19:45 good ;) Oct 21 23:19:53 quasseltopia haha nice name ;) Oct 21 23:20:05 nice thing is, everything 'cept for the UI is already running on the greenphone :D Oct 21 23:20:43 yeah, well, the name for the desktop version is Quassel IRC (and has been for quite a while), so when we started devel for Qtopia, I could not resist :) Oct 21 23:20:55 though I am not sure if it will really be called QuasselTopia officially Oct 21 23:21:58 http://quassel-irc.org/quasseltopia4.png <-- that's an early version, with a mock-up GUI... interesting to see how much Qtopia has improved visually from 4.2 to 4.3 Oct 21 23:22:02 looks so much nicer now Oct 21 23:22:02 i like the name.. even tough i never heard of quassel irc until now ;) Oct 21 23:22:22 jott: that's because it's not really useable yet and hasn't seen a public release :) Oct 21 23:24:04 i'm trying to minimize/hide the main widget when a file is selected so that the player software can take over. But this->hide() isn't working.. Oct 21 23:24:42 that said, it has been possible to go on IRC and chat for quite a while, but we still have a long way to go UI-wise... also we used most of the past year to completely redesign the internals Oct 21 23:24:49 switched to MVC and all that Oct 21 23:25:24 getting used to Qt 4.3 :) Oct 21 23:25:27 Sput: my app is working too ;) need some more UI work Oct 21 23:26:00 hm, on qtopia, I pretty much have that one dialog I showed you :) and since a couple days ago, chatlines are actually displayed, unformatted Oct 21 23:26:06 but that's about it :) Oct 21 23:26:24 lots of work going in the backend Oct 21 23:26:41 BabelO: which protocols does it speak? Oct 21 23:27:48 Sput: all :) i use Tapioca qt bondings library so Msn / Oscar / Icq /Google Talk / Yahoo / jabber and some other i don't know their name Oct 21 23:27:54 Sput: the architecture (mvc wise) sounds interesting (just read the teaser on your site) Oct 21 23:28:09 i can't get the top window to minimize, hide, or anything.. :( Oct 21 23:28:23 fullscreen, maximized works.. Oct 21 23:29:32 BabelO: oh, tapioca... that's great Oct 21 23:29:59 so we will have decent ICQ/Jabber/whatever and decent IRC on all them linux phones that are going to appear next year :) Oct 21 23:30:04 talk motorola Oct 21 23:30:05 Sput: yes, but take me two days to compile each telepathy plugin for test Oct 21 23:30:39 well, provided trolltech accept our apps into qtopia, or motorola allows installation of 3rdparty apps Oct 21 23:31:30 Sput: i hope ljp accept my app into OPIE II later ;) Oct 21 23:31:51 I still wonder what next month's deadline is about :) Oct 21 23:32:24 but I hope we will be able to submit a more featureful version after that as well Oct 21 23:32:26 motorola does not use qtopia, just qtopia-core :p Oct 21 23:32:41 jott: shouldn't our apps be able to run on that anyway> Oct 21 23:32:43 ? Oct 21 23:32:50 Sput: same for me Oct 21 23:33:01 depends on what you use of qpe.. Oct 21 23:33:03 depends on what classes you use Oct 21 23:33:24 mh, pretty much standard Qt Oct 21 23:33:26 nothing that's not in Qt Desktop Oct 21 23:33:31 i have a few cross platform apps that run on qtopia, windows and linux Oct 21 23:33:32 then it should work ;) Oct 21 23:33:41 but work/look a bit different on each Oct 21 23:34:01 also, with Qtopia going Windows Mobile, the market share should increase drastically Oct 21 23:34:54 hehe i wonder if qpe would run under windows mobile with some minor modifications :p Oct 21 23:35:24 doubtful Oct 21 23:35:34 major mods maybe Oct 21 23:35:44 minor mods for X11 though Oct 21 23:35:47 ;) Oct 21 23:36:42 BabelO: have you been at TTDD in Munich? Oct 21 23:38:58 Sput: no, to far for me Oct 21 23:39:43 ljp: i compile embedded console for goxboxlive this afternoon, but i just see a top combobox with few command :( Oct 21 23:39:53 ah ok, because I met somebody who was implementing an IM for the greenphone, if I'm not mistaken Oct 21 23:40:16 oh ? so lot of people are doing same thing :( Oct 21 23:40:35 BabelO: ya, I havent finished that yet. I might just scrap that old code, use the new konsol, and remove kde stuff, and non essential other things Oct 21 23:41:01 BabelO: I am not completely sure though, might be somebody just talked about knowing somebody who does (which might be you then) Oct 21 23:41:35 ljp: yeah going for kde4 konsole is probably a good idea ;) Oct 21 23:43:31 well an kdelibs/e would be nice though.. as it would ease porting alot .. Oct 21 23:45:45 ljp: hmm...you might want to use this for scrolling instead of the current linear one ;) : http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/2007/9/8/kinetic-scrolling-in-qt Oct 21 23:48:57 where is this actually handled? as its only active with smudge as it seems? Oct 21 23:49:39 kde is too big Oct 21 23:49:46 dont need that stuff anyway Oct 21 23:50:35 well, I like KDE on the desktop... Oct 21 23:50:40 don't think one needs it on embedded though Oct 21 23:50:49 yeah thats why i wrote kdelibs/E :) Oct 21 23:50:57 its rather easy to remove kde stuff :) Oct 21 23:51:13 hehe yeah s/K/Q/g ;) Oct 21 23:51:14 or, someone could update minikde Oct 21 23:51:21 or microkde Oct 21 23:51:57 ah pim/pi used this?! Oct 21 23:58:01 not \sure, but konqueror embedded does, as well as tiny kate Oct 21 23:58:14 ah i see Oct 22 00:17:47 hie is there any book about qt-jambi(java - qt) ,i searched a lot,but i didnt anything Oct 22 00:25:37 KingPython: actually this channel is about Qtopia which is quite a different topic. Though since Qt jambi is still quite new I don't think that there is any book available yet. Oct 22 00:26:16 I think for some introductions and examples the labs page is quite interesting: http://labs.trolltech.com Oct 22 00:26:22 but i didnt find a jambi channel so i wrote here Oct 22 00:26:58 sure no problem... though I think that #qt is more suited Oct 22 00:27:23 ok i will try #gt and thanx **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 02:59:56 2007