**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 12 02:59:56 2007 Nov 12 05:29:50 anyone awake in here? Nov 12 05:40:28 too bad he's gone Nov 12 05:40:41 lost the opportunity for a hilarious response of "neigh!" Nov 12 11:36:02 morning Nov 12 11:51:54 Hello all Nov 12 11:52:11 Anyone know how I hide the cursor in a QTopia application? Nov 12 11:52:55 e Nov 12 11:54:26 Any ideas? Nov 12 12:02:05 hi Nov 12 12:02:19 donmorr: you speak about what cursor ? text cursor ? Nov 12 13:40:25 Hello! Will Opera from the original Zaurus ROM run on a recent build of Qtopia? Nov 12 16:46:59 apparently, the android SDK has been released... and it's java... eeeeew Nov 12 16:47:04 Is it possible to merely compile a program *for* Qtopia? Nov 12 16:47:14 Rather than having to compile all of Qtopia itself? Nov 12 16:47:18 nelson: sure Nov 12 16:47:21 I do it all the time Nov 12 16:47:59 Sput: I must be reading the wrong docs, then, because everything I've found on trolltech.com points me at compiling all of qtopia. Nov 12 16:48:12 nah, just look at the examples Nov 12 16:48:31 I'll go looking for examples, thanks. Nov 12 16:48:35 create a suitable *.pro, run qtopiamake && make and then use gph to package it up and load it on the phone Nov 12 16:48:59 or compile it in x86 mode and run it directly in the emulator Nov 12 16:50:01 this isn't a phone, but instead a supercharged PDA. Nov 12 16:50:14 yeah whatever, doesn't matter :) Nov 12 16:50:59 at least one of the *.pdfs provided with the SDK also has information about how to compile individual apps Nov 12 16:51:00 developer quickstart or something Nov 12 16:51:03 but it's really not much more than runnin qtopiamake and make Nov 12 16:52:05 hrm. I have qtopia-opensource-4.2.4.tar.gz -- and it has no .pdfs in it. Nov 12 16:52:58 ah, get the SDK Nov 12 16:53:00 the iso Nov 12 16:55:21 I have the Greenphone SDK already ... is that as Qtopia-Phone specific as the name implies? Nov 12 16:55:32 Or can it be used for -PDA development as well? Nov 12 16:56:08 should be possible Nov 12 16:56:21 you might not be able to use the provided scripts Nov 12 16:56:36 dunno if things like gph also work with non-greenphones Nov 12 16:57:22 no problem to download something else, but I'm only seeing the Greenphone as an SDK Nov 12 17:02:38 ARGH! You'd think Trolltech would have an interest in making it easy to develop for Qtopia. Nov 12 17:03:41 nelson: what are you trying to do? Nov 12 17:03:59 torarne: I'm trying to compile gnash for Qtopia. It has Qt support. Nov 12 17:04:27 Is that even a concept that makes sense? Is it possible to compile a program "for Qtopia"? Nov 12 17:04:55 Or do I have to compile it with the source that produced the other executables? Nov 12 17:04:58 if that program supports qtopia, yes. Nov 12 17:05:00 but Qtopia Core is slightly different from Qt. Nov 12 17:05:23 I hope I'm not asking stupid questions, but they're not in the FAQ, which is where stupid questions are ordinarily found. Nov 12 17:06:10 nelson: if gnash is programmed to use Qtopia to render the flash playback it should be OK Nov 12 17:06:13 Sput: but at some point I need to have dynamic libraries I can link to, right? Nov 12 17:06:25 If it isn't, then it's my job to Make It So. Nov 12 17:06:28 if it's programmed to use Qt, you probably have to make a few slight adjustments Nov 12 17:06:47 But I need to get a Qtopia development system set up ... which isn't obvious. Nov 12 17:06:59 nelson: yes Nov 12 17:07:01 nelson: you need an SDK installed. which should be obvious :) Nov 12 17:07:20 that consists of x86 and arm versions of the library, the necessary headers, scripts, tools and toolchain. Nov 12 17:07:34 Sput: the only "SDK" I can find is for the Greenphone. Not obvious that that's the right thing for PDA development. Nov 12 17:08:00 oh, qtopia-opensource-4.2.4.tar.gz contains that stuff as well Nov 12 17:08:08 except for the toolchain which is a separate download Nov 12 17:08:16 Sput: binary too? Nov 12 17:08:23 they don't supply a toolchain. Nov 12 17:08:33 They point to pb_'s or france's toolchains. Nov 12 17:08:35 well, you obviously have to build the SDK if you download the source Nov 12 17:09:12 I've tried that. the SDK seems to presume that you are compiling the entire Qtopia, and (seems to) insist on hardware-specific knowledge that I don't have. Nov 12 17:09:55 but you want to run it on a device? Nov 12 17:09:59 well, in order to have a working SDK, you have to build it first. or download the ISO, which contains a vmware image and all necessary stuff, though you might need to adapt it to your device. Nov 12 17:10:26 hm, last time I checked, there was a download for the arm toolchain Nov 12 17:10:40 nelson: is the device known to run qtopia? Nov 12 17:10:45 I don't want to run Qtopia on a device. It's already running Qtopia. I just want to compile an application to run on that device. Nov 12 17:10:59 nelson: is your device supported by qtopia at all? Nov 12 17:11:10 It's the one2onemate.com -- which comes running Qtopia. Nov 12 17:11:15 4.x? Nov 12 17:11:21 yes. Nov 12 17:12:55 I have a toolchain from CodeSourcery, but if that doesn't make me happy, I'll suck down the handhelds.org toolchain. Nov 12 17:13:16 The main problem right now is that I can't figure out how NOT to compile Qtopia for a device. Nov 12 17:13:24 that won't work. Nov 12 17:13:26 But instead, just compile enough of Qtopia to make my application work. Nov 12 17:13:29 you'll need an SDK Nov 12 17:14:03 so you'll need to have it compiled for both yout host system (for testing during development) and the target system Nov 12 17:14:54 Not gonna test on the host. I know it works on the host. Gonna go straight for the target. Nov 12 17:15:08 (or, rather, I've been told that it works on the host, so I'm going to believe them.) Nov 12 17:15:28 Okay, but isn't there a way to compile the SDK "for" a generic target system? Nov 12 17:15:59 apparently it can be compiled for the targets that are listed in the device/ directory. Nov 12 17:16:10 devices/ Nov 12 17:16:15 Is it possible to write a Qtopia application which runs on multiple devices? Nov 12 17:16:34 ARGH, you mean I need to compile it for specific target hardware? Nov 12 17:16:58 of course Nov 12 17:17:01 they all have different hardware specs, CPUs and stuff Nov 12 17:17:13 That's insane. Nov 12 17:17:20 e.g. the greenphone has an arm, makes no sense to try and run an x86 or whatever binary there Nov 12 17:17:44 Of course. But the greenphone has an arm, the Zaurus has an arm, the one2onemate has an arm, the ipaq has an arm (etc) Nov 12 17:18:03 Do I need to maintain four (etc) different executables for my product? Nov 12 17:18:22 If that's the case, then we need to send Trolltech back to computer science school! Nov 12 17:18:58 well, in the embedded world, you want to have binaries that are specific for your platform and don't carry compatibility code around. Nov 12 17:19:06 I have no idea how compatible the different arm platforms are. Nov 12 17:19:33 You have abi and eabi. Everybody's moved to eabi at this point. Nov 12 17:19:56 not on the greenphone :/ Nov 12 17:20:04 so try it... compile a package for the greenphone and see if it can be installed on your machine Nov 12 17:20:11 I honestly have no clue Nov 12 17:20:42 Hrm. Okay, then it seems FTW I need to compile the same way the one2onemate folks compiled. Nov 12 17:21:25 I'll start down that road, thanks for your(plural) help. Nov 12 17:21:57 good luck Nov 12 17:22:27 and i'm not being sarcastic :) Nov 12 20:36:21 hi Nov 12 20:36:29 can someone tell me if there is a #qt somewhere? Nov 12 20:36:46 there's a #qt on this server :)O Nov 12 20:37:25 really? Nov 12 20:37:29 weird, don't dee it Nov 12 20:37:31 thx! Nov 12 20:37:37 s/dee/see Nov 13 01:35:17 *building the sdk* Nov 13 01:35:58 hoping it finally compiles with the new helix release :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 13 02:59:56 2007