**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 29 02:59:56 2007
Nov 29 05:24:37 <bluelightning> ljp: hey... are you coming to LCA?
Nov 29 05:32:29 <goxboxlive> good morning
Nov 29 06:36:05 <ljp> bluelightning: hadn't yet planned on it, are you?
Nov 29 06:36:38 <bluelightning> ljp: yeah, I just decided to go recently
Nov 29 06:37:07 <bluelightning> earlybird period is over but they aren't short of tickets yet apparently
Nov 29 08:47:28 <BabelO> morning
Nov 29 09:28:24 <goxboxlive> BabelO: Are getting done with your IM?
Nov 29 09:35:07 <BabelO> goxboxlive: i can build a version for you, only prerequies is to have telepathy-* installed on your image... * is a telepathy connector http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Components
Nov 29 10:27:06 <goxboxlive> BabelO: yes please send it to me.
Nov 29 10:36:18 <goxboxlive> BabelO: all of them? http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/telepathy
Nov 29 10:41:04 <BabelO> goxboxlive: no, just build telepathy-gabble and depends... be carefull to  build  telepathy-glib up to release 0.5.12 , release 0.5.10 does not work with some connector
Nov 29 10:41:45 <goxboxlive> ok
Nov 29 10:42:15 <BabelO> bhughes: hi, i send email about QSettings with sample to mailing list
Nov 29 10:43:02 <BabelO> bhughes: i hope my english is easy to understand enought ;)
Nov 29 11:29:22 <Sput> moin!
Nov 29 11:29:28 <Sput> BabelO: waht qsettings problem? sxe-related?
Nov 29 11:29:50 <Sput> oh, there is a mailing list
Nov 29 11:29:56 * Sput wonders why he didn't sign up
Nov 29 11:30:12 <BabelO> hello sput
Nov 29 11:31:17 <BabelO> Sput: i can add many arrayindex , but when i remove one of them,, size of arrayindex never go down
Nov 29 11:32:22 <Sput> oh ok
Nov 29 11:32:38 <Sput> I have to check if the QSettings-on-SXE problem is known and taken care of
Nov 29 11:33:21 <Sput> seriously, even with sandboxDir() working, one should not have to take extra care in an SXE environment
Nov 29 11:33:23 <Sput> QSettings() should use the sandbox automatically
Nov 29 11:35:25 <Sput> BabelO: which mailing list?
Nov 29 11:39:10 <BabelO> Sput: qt-bugs
Nov 29 11:39:31 <BabelO> not sure we can polluate this mailing list :(
Nov 29 11:42:48 <Sput> ah ok
Nov 29 11:42:57 <Sput> thought there was a community mailing list as well
Nov 29 11:44:08 <BabelO> Sput: yesturday i do like jott say, add pkg.domain = trusted then make && make install && make packages
Nov 29 11:44:19 <BabelO> and it seem install was ok
Nov 29 11:45:22 <Sput> trusted?
Nov 29 11:45:24 <Sput> is that documented somewhere?
Nov 29 11:45:47 <Sput> I believe I even checked the qtopia source for available pkg.domains, but could not find anything like that
Nov 29 11:46:33 <j0tt> Sput: just look at the examples ;-)
Nov 29 11:46:43 <Sput> hm, I did look at most of them
Nov 29 11:47:26 <jott> nearly all of them have pkg.domain=trusted in the .pro ;)
Nov 29 11:47:32 <Sput> Oo
Nov 29 11:47:56 <Sput> ah, I think I checked the actual applications, not the examples
Nov 29 11:48:23 <Sput> ah well
Nov 29 11:48:25 * Sput files a bug concerning QSettings now
Nov 29 11:48:41 <BabelO> Sput: right i read the full doc but never see trusted :( http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/sxe-pkgmgr-profiles.html
Nov 29 11:48:52 <jott> yeah problem with this is the interdependency between Qtopia (Platform) and Qtopia Core..
Nov 29 11:49:02 <jott> as QSettings is part of the core...
Nov 29 11:49:05 <BabelO> hello jott
Nov 29 11:49:21 <jott> heheyho BabelO 
Nov 29 11:49:22 <Sput> yeah, some of the stuff is really poorly documented
Nov 29 11:49:28 <Sput> QSettings needs to transparently write to the sandbox dir, or (even better) there should be a pkd.domain=settings for it
Nov 29 11:49:37 <BabelO> Sput: maybe a bug in the doc then ;)
Nov 29 11:51:13 <BabelO> funny thing i got yesturday when i want to remove my app using package manager
Nov 29 11:51:26 <jott> well it actually makes sense to have settings in a sandbox ;)
Nov 29 11:51:33 <BabelO> i got a security breach from busibox ... lol
Nov 29 11:52:21 <jott> i suppose there should be QtopiaSettings or something that can handle settings on sxe basis
Nov 29 11:52:57 <goxboxlive> BabelO: building telepathy now
Nov 29 11:53:03 <jott> (and QtopiaSettings inherits QSettings)
Nov 29 11:54:16 <BabelO> goxboxlive: and what about cruxus ?
Nov 29 11:54:39 <goxboxlive> telepathy-glib-0.6 where build
Nov 29 11:56:37 <BabelO> goxboxlive: i use 0.52, but maybe 0.6 is better ;)
Nov 29 11:57:05 <goxboxlive> BabelO: But the gabble version was 0.5.10
Nov 29 11:57:22 <BabelO> no problem
Nov 29 12:02:21 <BabelO> goxboxlive: once all is built, you need to check out tapioca trunk
Nov 29 12:23:18 <chouimat> goo dmorning
Nov 29 12:23:41 <chouimat> http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/strip.aspx?id=3ae7832d-d0f4-4966-a1f6-1bdd292e305c
Nov 29 12:45:39 <BabelO> morning chouimat
Nov 29 12:51:15 <BabelO> jott: around ?
Nov 29 12:56:36 <jott> BabelO: more or less
Nov 29 12:57:10 <BabelO> jott: how do you setup tor to use my work proxy first ?
Nov 29 13:02:52 <jott> uhm.. ask in #tor i suppose ;) .. maybe you can define a socks proxy in torrc? don't know..
Nov 29 13:03:47 <BabelO> ok, yesturday i used my openvpn
Nov 29 13:04:06 <BabelO> this evening i try again my app on gp, this is the last last test
Nov 29 13:04:07 <BabelO> lol
Nov 29 13:05:42 <jott> followed by the last last last test? ;)
Nov 29 13:07:04 <BabelO> jott yes but it does not fully work...it is usable only lot of feature are missing
Nov 29 13:08:45 <jott> heh which software project is "fully working"? ;)
Nov 29 13:12:27 <BabelO> jott: but if i have started it this summer... it should be ok now... instead of working on it all the evening :(
Nov 29 13:16:04 <jott> af if you started eight years ago it might be the world leading messenger ;)  
Nov 29 13:16:16 <BabelO> lol 
Nov 29 13:16:38 <BabelO> jott: i m looking to compile it under windows with little change ;)
Nov 29 13:16:56 <BabelO> jott: i see there is already dbus-win
Nov 29 13:17:16 <BabelO> so all is here :)
Nov 29 14:45:04 <chouimat|work> morning
Nov 29 15:48:54 <bipolar> Hello everyone.
Nov 29 15:49:39 <bipolar> Has anyone shared an image for Nokia's tablet? I've googled and found a few references to it, but no flashable images.
Nov 29 15:52:09 <chouimat|work> bipolar: hi I think it's still compile your own 
Nov 29 15:54:28 <bipolar> chouimat|work: ahh... thanks.
Nov 29 16:01:09 * jott wished the n810 would be available :(
Nov 29 16:21:45 <bipolar> jott: yeah.. looks like cool hardware
Nov 29 16:22:16 <bipolar> I hope I'm able to build this image.... I haven't done anyting like this in a long time.. :p
Nov 29 16:30:08 <bipolar> thanku, thanku, thanku to whoever wrote the README for the n800 device in the qtopia source.
Nov 29 16:38:43 <bipolar> does anyone know what libts files this line in the readme is talking about? 2) Copy the libts files from the n800 device and place then in: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/sys-include
Nov 29 16:39:24 <bipolar> the only libts files I find on the device is libts library files, which doesn't seem to belong in "sys-include"
Nov 29 16:43:15 <jott> hm i suppose you need to place tslib.h in this sys-include and the .so has to be in ../lib/ ... but that's just a "plausible guess" ;)
Nov 29 16:45:10 <bipolar> jott: that would make sense
Nov 29 16:46:46 <bipolar> jott: but there doesn't seem to be a tslib.h file on the device... I guess I need to find it.
Nov 29 17:00:17 <jott> bipolar: it's atleast in the chinook sdk - so i suppose older sdks have it too ;)
Nov 29 17:01:19 <bipolar> jott: ahh... ok. the sdk. that must be what it's talking about.
Nov 29 17:01:24 <bipolar> jott: thanks! I'll download that.
Nov 29 17:28:10 <ljp> bipolar: there is no /scratchbox/compilers/cs2005q3.2-glibc-arm/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/lib
Nov 29 17:28:17 <ljp> so I use sys-include
Nov 29 17:29:15 <ljp> hmm.. maybe I need coffee before I type
Nov 29 17:30:35 <ljp> bipolar: if you start scratchbox and start an arm profile, there should be a tslib.h somewhere in it
Nov 29 17:31:15 <bipolar> ljp: hmm... let me check that out.
Nov 29 17:31:41 <bipolar> ljp: but I am to put the libts files in sys-include?
Nov 29 17:31:47 <ljp> nope
Nov 29 17:31:51 <ljp> .h :)
Nov 29 17:32:01 <bipolar> ah... ok. just the tslib.h file then.
Nov 29 17:33:01 <ljp> the libs go in lib/ :)
Nov 29 17:33:15 <Sput> ljp: just one more question about submitting our apps. the mobile version of Quassel IRC connects to a Quassel core on some server, which means that you need the PC components as well
Nov 29 17:33:21 <Sput> so how do we submit the source for that, alongside with instructions how to set up a core?
Nov 29 17:33:56 <bipolar> ljp: oh. hehe... so the libts*.so files from the device itself go into /lib, and the tslib.h file goes into sys-include?
Nov 29 17:34:08 <ljp> bipolar: yes
Nov 29 17:34:15 <Sput> we plan to have a testcore running on one of our servers to make things easy for you, but you might still want to see and/or use the code :)
Nov 29 17:34:21 <ljp> bipolar: will make that more better in the readme
Nov 29 17:34:39 <bipolar> ljp: kk
Nov 29 17:34:53 <ljp> Sput: just package it in one tarball with instructions
Nov 29 17:35:23 <Sput> ljp: ok, and then I put the link in the comments, I guess?
Nov 29 17:35:42 <Sput> I managed to run it on the actual hardware yesterday \o/
Nov 29 17:35:54 <ljp> :)
Nov 29 17:36:26 * BabelO thiink Sput is lucky ;)
Nov 29 17:37:50 <qDev|Sput> so this is from the simulator, but it works equally well from the phone now :)
Nov 29 17:42:24 <Sput> I seem to have trouble though to give my app an icon :/ even though I did it like the scribble example
Nov 29 17:46:22 <bipolar> maemo's documentation is horrible
Nov 29 17:51:49 <qDev|Sput> and this is talking from the real phone \o/
Nov 29 17:52:12 <BabelO> quick question, what is  procedure to flash gp again, it seem flash does not work
Nov 29 18:00:57 <jott> BabelO: usbflash for lowlevel flash and updatedevice for simple update
Nov 29 18:01:17 <jott> (or scp and dd to manually flash ;)
Nov 29 18:01:43 <BabelO> jott: it is strange it work to upgrade from 4.2 to 4.3.0 preview, but now, i can't reset to default :-
Nov 29 18:02:18 <Sput> jott: the dd never worked for me, claiming that the device was full
Nov 29 18:02:31 <Sput> not that it matters much, but I wonder why that would be
Nov 29 18:03:31 <jott> Sput:  indeed that's strange.. especially as updatedevice also only dd's the image ;)
Nov 29 18:07:17 <jott> BabelO: to "reset" you could also purge /home and /mnt/documents ;)
Nov 29 18:07:24 <chouimat|work> lalalala
Nov 29 18:07:57 <BabelO> jott: already done, but now, each time i start an app qtopia freeze, only shutdown menu can be displayed
Nov 29 18:08:20 <jott> mh :/
Nov 29 18:08:36 <jott> what version did you try?
Nov 29 18:08:48 <BabelO> jott: version provided with sdk 4.3.0
Nov 29 18:09:14 <jott> mh ljp uploaded another flash image.. maybe you should try this
Nov 29 18:10:53 <chouimat|work> what is the changes in this one?
Nov 29 18:11:26 <jott> sxe is disabled ;)
Nov 29 18:12:12 <BabelO> cool ;)
Nov 29 18:12:12 <chouimat|work> cool
Nov 29 18:12:19 <jott> hehe
Nov 29 18:12:51 <jott> why does everybody cheer for less security?! :P
Nov 29 18:13:36 <chouimat|work> jott: because security in software is a) a pain in the ass to work with and b) a myth
Nov 29 18:13:45 <angasule> disabled sex? weird...
Nov 29 18:14:01 <angasule> chouimat|work: that's a very lazy attitude, do you work for MS? :P
Nov 29 18:14:05 <BabelO> jott : it was working yesturday with sxe, but then have issue with libraries
Nov 29 18:14:22 <chouimat|work> angasule: it's not because you're in a wheelchair that you can enjoy it
Nov 29 18:14:29 <chouimat|work> s/can/can't
Nov 29 18:14:58 <angasule> err, ok,, yoir answer was weirder, i was thinking of 'disable' == 'turn off'
Nov 29 18:15:18 <chouimat|work> angasule: bah
Nov 29 18:17:19 * jott writes the first qtopia virus *g*
Nov 29 18:19:15 <Sput> jott: because trolltechs implementation of security is not yet quite there yet :)
Nov 29 18:19:22 * Sput remembers the early days of SElinux
Nov 29 18:20:04 <jott> hehe ;)
Nov 29 18:20:37 <qDev|Sput> now lets see if the animated topic bar is fast enough on the phone
Nov 29 18:20:52 <jott> at least lids is quite old ;p
Nov 29 18:22:11 <jott> (yeah i admit i have an sxe disabled build since 1-2 weeks after the first 4.3 snapshot release ;-)
Nov 29 18:25:48 <jott> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8047490032.html lol speaking of virus .. a virus scanner for devices not even released ;)
Nov 29 18:27:26 <jott> qtopia needs a virus scanner too.. the windows influenced marked demands virus scanners for every device ;)
Nov 29 18:28:31 <jott> 100% detection rate! (with 0 entries in the signature database ;-)
Nov 29 18:31:15 <Sput> jott: the heuristics being "return false"?
Nov 29 18:31:30 <jott> for example ;)..
Nov 29 18:32:47 <chouimat|work> lol
Nov 29 18:32:55 <jott> or  return (qrand() < 100);  to get some false positives ;)
Nov 29 18:34:15 <Sput> jott: that would approach the quality of norton
Nov 29 18:34:28 <Sput> jott: they might sue you for steeeeeling their interllleeectual property
Nov 29 18:35:25 <jott> hehe "Sophisticated heuristic algortihm that outperforms Norton AntiVirus"
Nov 29 18:45:13 <chouimat|work> jott: "We found the following viruses ... but since you're running a linux devices based on ARM cpu you don't have to give a shit about them ... Have a nice day"
Nov 29 18:46:00 <jott> yeah..a "sync viruses with windows host" would be an option ;)
Nov 29 19:04:24 <bipolar> ljp: in /devices/default/enviroment line 3.... "function setup_path()" bash exits with "unexpected "(""
Nov 29 19:04:49 <bipolar> ljp: I'm using a snapshot... this occurs when running ./configure -device n800
Nov 29 19:05:28 <bipolar> a quick google seems to show that () are not used when declaring functions
Nov 29 19:09:06 <Stephmw> works on my functions *shrug*
Nov 29 19:09:18 <Stephmw> bash-version dependent I'd guess
Nov 29 19:09:24 <jott> hm i wonder why the default environment is used.. shouldn't n800/environment be used?
Nov 29 19:09:34 <jott> or is default always loaded?
Nov 29 19:09:53 <bipolar> jott: I think it's always loaded first... maybe
Nov 29 19:10:12 <jott> aaand maybe its bash vs. dash or something ;)
Nov 29 19:10:28 <bipolar> jott: ahh! let me check that.
Nov 29 19:11:17 <bipolar> nope.. running bash
Nov 29 19:11:25 <bipolar> wait... doh
Nov 29 19:11:39 <bipolar> my current shell is bash, but /bin/sh points to dash
Nov 29 19:11:51 <bipolar> so thats what the script envokes
Nov 29 19:12:07 <jott> yeah.. i suppose the script should either use bash or be posix compliant ;)
Nov 29 19:12:43 <bipolar> fixed it by simply removing the ()
Nov 29 19:13:17 <jott> who knows if there is another place where it relies on bash as /bin/sh ;)
Nov 29 19:13:29 <jott> well it will complain i guess
Nov 29 19:14:18 <bipolar> true
Nov 29 19:14:49 <jott> you could always switch sh to bash anyway ;)
Nov 29 19:15:40 <bipolar> hmm... it's looking for arm-linux-g++. I would think that would be supplied by scratchbox, but in a nonstandard location.
Nov 29 19:16:03 <bipolar> should I add the scratchbox bin dir to my path?
Nov 29 19:16:41 <jott> are you building within scratchbox?
Nov 29 19:16:53 <bipolar> no.
Nov 29 19:16:57 <bipolar> following the README
Nov 29 19:17:39 <jott>  (not done much with sb yet.. i'm still waiting for the device ...)
Nov 29 19:18:03 <bipolar> hmm... I'm missing something.
Nov 29 19:18:12 <bipolar> I think I'm going about this all wrong.
Nov 29 19:18:27 <bipolar> ljp: can you tell what I'm doing wrong?
Nov 29 19:18:50 <jott> maybe you have to be within scratchbox ,) atleast you  have a working toolchain there
Nov 29 19:18:58 <jott> (more or less working anyway)
Nov 29 19:19:17 <bipolar> hmm...
Nov 29 19:19:32 <bipolar> I just set it up enough to get the tslib.h file out of it. :P
Nov 29 19:20:04 <jott> heh ,)
Nov 29 19:20:26 <bipolar> scratchbox is just.... messy
Nov 29 19:20:36 <jott> yeah what i've seen i can agree ;)
Nov 29 19:21:04 <jott> but as far as i understood the concept you have to be within scratchbox to use the toolchain
Nov 29 19:22:03 <jott> with this half-wrapped qemu userland ;)
Nov 29 19:23:13 <jott> but maybe it's enough to provide the compiler in the path.. who knows.. :p
Nov 29 19:26:04 <bipolar> hmm... what a mess.
Nov 29 19:29:21 <jott> maybe you can also poke in #maemo
Nov 29 19:38:46 <bipolar> jott: it seems that since the configure script needs to be able to build both native and target bins, it cannot be run from scratchbox... unless I'm missing something...
Nov 29 19:41:21 <bipolar> I bet it's just looking for an old-school crosscompiler
Nov 29 19:42:25 <bipolar> wait... this might be working....
Nov 29 19:42:38 <bipolar> haha! it seems to be.
Nov 29 19:42:48 <bipolar> in scratchbox, under the X86 target
Nov 29 19:44:02 <ljp> bipolar: whihc version of scratchbox?
Nov 29 19:44:23 <bipolar> a4, iirc
Nov 29 19:44:38 <bipolar> whatever was needed for the latest release of maemo
Nov 29 19:44:52 <ljp> I have had to tweak that quite a bit to get it working outside of the chroot
Nov 29 19:45:08 <ljp> I will update the README
Nov 29 19:45:22 <bipolar> hmm...
Nov 29 19:45:24 <ljp> they use symlinks that go to places wuch as /lib
Nov 29 19:45:25 <bipolar> Testing for ALSA: FAIL
Nov 29 19:45:25 <bipolar> ERROR: You requested -sound_system=s but it was disabled.
Nov 29 19:45:42 <bipolar> ljp: what should I do?
Nov 29 19:45:57 <bipolar> install a seperate xcompiler, probbly?
Nov 29 19:46:37 <ljp> if you give me your email, I can give you the steps I took
Nov 29 19:46:52 <bipolar> ljp: awesome... one sec
Nov 29 19:47:22 <bipolar> ljp: msg'ed it to you
Nov 29 19:48:48 <ljp> ok. I will have to write it up a bit more detailed though
Nov 29 19:49:13 <ljp> and make a few one liners so its less painful
Nov 29 19:49:34 <bipolar> ljp: thank you very much for the help :)
Nov 29 19:50:19 <ljp> but really, its just editing pkgconfig files to point to the correct prefix, and editing the symlinks to point to current dir instead of places like /lib
Nov 29 19:51:38 <bipolar> ljp: any chance of the nokia tablets getting "official" images like the neo1973?
Nov 29 19:51:48 <ljp> well, the n8xx is one of our target opensource devices
Nov 29 19:51:59 <ljp> perhaps
Nov 29 19:52:06 <chouimat|work> BabelO: did you have more success to install qss2?
Nov 29 19:52:58 <ljp> bipolar: need to check with legal  forst, but I dont think the nokia license allows redistribution of the rootfs. even the developer one I use
Nov 29 19:53:38 <bipolar> ljp: that just blows. I won't buy another nokia unless that is fixed.
Nov 29 19:56:15 <Sput> ljp: just out of interest, how is Qtopia/CE coming along?
Nov 29 19:56:37 <bipolar> thats an interesting project
Nov 29 19:56:37 <ljp> Sput: I hear ots going well. Oslo is developing it
Nov 29 19:56:50 <ljp> hmm or berlin
Nov 29 19:57:19 <Sput> ljp: and as I know the Trolls, we will pretty much only have to recompile our apps to make them work on Windows Mobile stuff?
Nov 29 19:57:22 <ljp> I havent yet tried it, but I guess I should hey
Nov 29 19:58:32 <ljp> have to power up the 4700
Nov 29 19:59:06 <BabelO> chouimat|work: no i did not try
Nov 29 19:59:15 <Sput> Hm, fixed the copyright notices of 146 files. 'tis some work to make that thing releasable...
Nov 29 20:05:26 <BabelO> ljp: how can i check my bug issue submitted to qt ?
Nov 29 20:08:15 <Sput> BabelO: they should reply to you
Nov 29 20:08:17 <Sput> with a tracker number
Nov 29 20:09:19 <BabelO> Sput: yes i have but this number give me nothing :(
Nov 29 20:09:52 <BabelO> Sput: bug 189539
Nov 29 20:10:00 <BabelO> maybe not a bug then
Nov 29 20:10:07 <BabelO> or not qualified
Nov 29 20:10:32 <Sput> BabelO: usually takes a couple days for somebody to respond
Nov 29 20:11:15 <Sput> and I think they even tell you when they don't ack it
Nov 29 20:11:32 <BabelO> ok, i join a sample with it, but i forgot to mention that it is reproductible with qt or qtopia latest
Nov 29 20:12:26 <BabelO> yeah i hope so, at my work it is not the same, when you found a bug to someone, they remove the functionnality :(
Nov 29 20:14:15 <ljp> nothing done with it yet
Nov 29 20:14:34 <ljp> BabelO: same here! sometimes. man I hate that
Nov 29 20:15:17 <bipolar> <offtopic>Gah! Why the hell is it so cold in my office?</offtopic>
Nov 29 20:15:20 <BabelO> ljp: lol, sometimes i want to do same things on my developpement, just to show them what it is
Nov 29 20:15:48 <ljp> bipolar: because its cold outside?
Nov 29 20:16:21 <bipolar> ljp: that shouldn't matter... I'm in my office and I'm shivering.... something is wrong... maybe it was the milkshake....
Nov 29 20:17:09 <jott> hey cut costs where possible .. who needs heater :)
Nov 29 20:17:30 <BabelO> ljp: package i provide should run on neo, because of this sxe limitation on gp and also because i can upload librarie on ro filesystem
Nov 29 20:18:32 <BabelO> s/can/can not/
Nov 29 20:19:20 <ljp> BabelO: ya, I hate the gp filesystem
Nov 29 20:19:44 <jott> is there actually a way to get jffs2 or something on the gp?
Nov 29 20:22:20 <BabelO> hmmm i need  a package server setup
Nov 29 20:23:34 <BabelO> ah ah i know simple installer available on opieII :)
Nov 29 20:23:49 <BabelO> like paris hilton and simple life
Nov 29 20:27:01 <BabelO> yeah compile qipkg-simple
Nov 29 20:31:30 <BabelO> hmmm
Nov 29 20:31:53 <BabelO> ljp: does qipkg-simple was working before ?
Nov 29 20:34:42 <ljp> hmm .not sure if it works with 4.3, but the regualr pakcagemanager should work
Nov 29 20:35:12 <BabelO> ljp: i upload my qpk to device
Nov 29 20:35:24 <BabelO> but how can i install it on device with packagemanager ?
Nov 29 20:36:04 <BabelO> yesturday  i ll ltry file:/ instead of http://
Nov 29 20:36:28 <Sput> hm, I'd simply install thttpd
Nov 29 20:36:34 <Sput> and do it the normal way :)
Nov 29 20:36:49 <chouimat|work> packagemanager SUCKS
Nov 29 20:37:15 <BabelO> Sput: but image i copy qpk to device on sd card or else like you do with wince and CAB
Nov 29 20:39:43 <BabelO> tetrix compile well on 4.3 :)
Nov 29 20:41:36 <Sput> ok, I'm off to have some cocktails
Nov 29 20:42:15 <Sput> after 5 days of straight qtopia coding I need some diversion :)
Nov 29 20:45:24 <chouimat|work> Sput: sound like a good plan ... after 2 weeks of simulating a huge client-server system I think I will go geat a few beer tonight
Nov 29 20:49:22 <pusling> if you only have a 3 color display (white, grey, black), is it something it is easily possible to make qtopia handle ?
Nov 29 20:52:06 <chouimat|work> pusling: i don't see why not :)
Nov 29 20:53:37 <pusling> okay.
Nov 29 20:54:02 <pusling> got some docs ? ;)
Nov 29 20:54:28 <chouimat|work> no
Nov 29 20:54:44 <chouimat|work> pusling: look at the doc on doc.trolltech.com
Nov 29 20:56:31 <pusling> chouimat|work: I know it is the place for documentation in general ;)
Nov 29 21:07:22 <chouimat|work> ljp: is the a tool now to sync the contact with linux desktop or is still winblows only?
Nov 29 21:09:10 <ljp> BabelO: packagemanager currently only knows http files
Nov 29 21:09:41 <ljp> there is not sync client, sync agent apparently only syncs to Outlook
Nov 29 21:09:55 <chouimat|work> :(\
Nov 29 21:09:59 <BabelO> ljp: ok :( so i do like Sput then
Nov 29 21:18:14 <bipolar> needs a really solid sync with kontact. I think it will be easier with kde4. maybe I'll be able to look into that once I get a working device.
Nov 29 21:21:14 <chouimat|work> bipolar: wait for kde 4.1 ... 4 will be kind of vista-ish
Nov 29 21:22:30 <chouimat|work> ljp: what would be nice is to have a console client to add contacts 
Nov 29 21:25:09 <ljp> -mprobabel use some qcop
Nov 29 21:25:14 <ljp> err probably use
Nov 29 21:25:22 <ljp> and vcard
Nov 29 21:25:28 <ljp> bt or ir
Nov 29 21:50:17 <chouimat|work> ljp: thanks I will simply have to find the qcop interface
Nov 29 22:10:56 <jott> yep.. vcard 3 exported from kontact works fine
Nov 29 22:11:20 <jott> besides the limited fields on the phone :(
Nov 29 22:17:43 * jott finally tries to get scummvm on qtopia 4.3
Nov 29 22:59:40 <jott> nice it works even as a qpk ;)
Nov 29 22:59:52 * BabelO grhhh 
Nov 29 22:59:54 * jott plays monkey island 2 :p
Nov 29 23:01:22 <jott> scummvm and sdl are so nice even music works on the gp :)
Nov 29 23:14:12 <jott> http://sse2.net/qpk/ if anybody else wants to play scummvm on gp with qtopia 4.3.. :)
Nov 29 23:14:26 <BabelO> lol
Nov 29 23:31:04 <jott> hm anyone ever used the supplied headset? 
Nov 29 23:57:32 <ljp> yep
Nov 29 23:59:49 <jott> is it possible to route oss output to it?
Nov 30 00:00:49 <ljp> should happen automagically
Nov 30 00:00:58 <jott> if i plug it in the sound still comes from the internal speaker..
Nov 30 00:01:05 <ljp> hmm
Nov 30 00:01:12 <ljp> what version?
Nov 30 00:01:34 <jott> about a month old snapshot
Nov 30 00:04:01 <jott> hm it is noticed by the kernel as it seems <6>head set cable insert. 
Nov 30 00:13:03 <jott> ljp: has the kernel/userland changed from -preview to the final one?
Nov 30 00:13:21 <ljp> only qtopia
Nov 30 00:13:48 <BabelO> ljp: i m very curious about my app look on neo ;)
Nov 30 00:14:46 <BabelO> jott do you know how qtopia know if it is pixmap mode or text mode ?
Nov 30 00:15:01 <jott> hum?
Nov 30 00:22:16 <BabelO> bed time now, i ll send my app tomorrow evening ;) need to write a README file with build instruction, tips and futur plan
Nov 30 00:22:21 <BabelO> night all :)
Nov 30 01:51:28 <bipolar> ljp: I guess there is a lot of editing to do on that howto.... is there anything I can work on in the meantime that will help me out? I don't think I'll have much time to work on it after about noon tomorrow... work is going to get insane. :P
Nov 30 01:55:09 <ljp> oh crap
Nov 30 01:55:12 <ljp> i forgot.
Nov 30 01:55:15 <ljp> sorry
Nov 30 01:55:30 <ljp> i fixed our spsuend issue on the neo
Nov 30 01:55:34 <ljp> suspend
Nov 30 01:56:39 <bipolar> ljp: it's ok :)
Nov 30 01:57:10 <bipolar> ljp: glad you got something working on the neo, I'll be buying one when the wifi version comes out
Nov 30 02:40:35 <bipolar> Heh... qtopia has been built for use on the AVR32 proc... thats pretty cool. http://www.avr32linux.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Qtopia
Nov 30 02:53:13 <ljp> interesting
Nov 30 02:53:39 <bipolar> digikey sells a dev board with that cpu for $90
Nov 30 02:53:53 <ljp> with display?
Nov 30 02:54:06 <bipolar> nope.. need to get one
Nov 30 02:54:26 <bipolar> But it has everything else.
Nov 30 02:54:56 <bipolar> I don't know if the 32MB of ram on the dev board is enough for big apps though
Nov 30 02:55:08 <bipolar> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=ATNGW100-ND
Nov 30 02:57:58 <bipolar> it's cool nontheless
Nov 30 02:58:33 <bipolar> it's not listed, but that dev board also has ps2 connectors, and audio.
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