**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 03 10:59:56 2008
Mar 03 19:54:48 <BabelO> ola lpotter :)
Mar 03 19:59:41 <lpotter> hi
Mar 03 19:59:52 <lpotter> machine at work must have died again
Mar 03 20:00:27 <BabelO> lpotter: :) i post on qtopia-interest today
Mar 03 20:01:01 <BabelO> lpotter: i still don't understand why my qtopia boot just stop after receiving AT+CSCS? response
Mar 03 20:03:20 <lpotter> hmmm
Mar 03 20:04:20 <BabelO> lpotter: i ve traced all i can it enter in funciton qatchat.cpp -> QAtChat::incoming() but never leave this funciton, is this normal ?
Mar 03 20:04:52 <lpotter> probably not
Mar 03 20:06:10 <BabelO> lpotter: ok good, have to understand why then
Mar 03 20:27:44 <BabelO> lpotter: you have to kiil me :)
Mar 03 20:28:05 <BabelO> lpotter: HTC blueangel is working with qtopia now in phone mode ;)
Mar 03 20:29:11 <BabelO> lpotter: but i do a dirty hack in incoming ;) if ( resetTimer ) break; into the hile loop after proccesLine
Mar 03 20:41:51 <lpotter> hmm.. well. whatever works!
Mar 03 20:44:41 <BabelO> lpotter: yes, i have to understand notification, or unsolicited event
Mar 03 20:44:47 <goxboxlive> BabelO, are you able to make calls with it too?
Mar 03 20:44:53 <BabelO> they freeze qtopia
Mar 03 20:45:00 <BabelO> lpotter: yes, i have to understand notification, or unsolicited event
Mar 03 20:45:02 <BabelO> they freeze qtopia
Mar 03 20:45:05 <BabelO> :)
Mar 03 20:45:18 <BabelO> goxboxlive: have to try ;)
Mar 03 20:45:20 <goxboxlive> ok
Mar 03 20:50:09 <goxboxlive> lpotter, have trolltech fixed the rotation applet?
Mar 03 20:50:21 <goxboxlive> lpotter, you need to have it working now for N810
Mar 03 21:05:39 <BabelO> hm, my voip network does not register :(
Mar 04 08:38:46 <pandora--> wow there's a handful of people in here
Mar 04 08:39:04 <pandora--> so a quick dumb question, what is a popular/common phone that I can try qtopia on?
Mar 04 08:39:21 <ljp> fic neo
Mar 04 08:40:02 <pandora--> ?
Mar 04 08:40:19 <ljp> wiki.openmoko.org
Mar 04 08:41:52 <pandora--> nothing that you'd pick up at tmobile/Att?
Mar 04 08:42:10 <ljp> nope. theres some in asia
Mar 04 08:42:14 <pandora--> gotcha
Mar 04 08:42:50 <pandora--> is there a UI that can be used outside of qtopia? (from trolltech)
Mar 04 08:42:59 <pandora--> or is it only available if you're using qtopia?
Mar 04 08:43:13 <ljp> there is `a demo cd. but its not recent
Mar 04 08:43:50 <pandora--> what does(did) that do?
Mar 04 08:43:55 <ljp> the neo sdk also has a working qtopia for desltop that run in the qvfb with a phone skin
Mar 04 08:44:10 <pandora--> btw, im a j2me developer looking to learn about what trolltech/qtopia offers
Mar 04 08:44:51 <pandora--> just haven't quite figured out exactly what trolltech 'does'
Mar 04 08:44:54 <ljp> you could download the sdk then
Mar 04 08:44:54 <pandora--> aside of qtopia
Mar 04 08:45:18 <ljp> trolltech develops qtopia as well as Qt,. which KDE is built from
Mar 04 08:45:30 <pandora--> would that SDK still require a phone like the NEO? or is it something i could load on a decent phone?
Mar 04 08:45:39 <pandora--> N95 or something
Mar 04 08:45:53 <ljp> it doesnt require a phone it runs in vmware. 
Mar 04 08:46:27 <ljp> qtopia can run on htc universals/ community member has gotten it running
Mar 04 08:46:36 <pandora--> gotcha
Mar 04 08:46:39 <pandora--> hrm
Mar 04 08:46:52 <pandora--> i'd heard you could use it as UI toolkit
Mar 04 08:46:58 <pandora--> seems that was a bit innacurate
Mar 04 08:47:03 <ljp> yep. its c++
Mar 04 08:47:18 <pandora--> sounds like something much deeper than a UI toolkit
Mar 04 08:47:26 <pandora--> and very unrelated to j2me
Mar 04 08:47:26 <pandora--> :)
Mar 04 08:47:27 <ljp> qt is more of the toolkit. qtopia is the gui.
Mar 04 08:49:03 <pandora--> gotcha
Mar 04 08:50:26 <crweb> ljp: we are having a discussion on adding a gpu to our next generation system
Mar 04 08:50:43 <rohanpm> If you're a Java developer, you might appreciate the Qt Jambi webstart demo. http://dist.trolltech.com/developer/download/webstart/index.html
Mar 04 08:50:50 <crweb> ljp: is there a list some where of opengl able cpu's compat with qtopia ?
Mar 04 08:51:06 <crweb> err sorry, gpu's
Mar 04 08:53:57 <ljp> crweb: not sure offahnd
Mar 04 09:10:53 <zchydem> I have a server app, which launches applications. Now I want to enable "minimize" window action, but by default it doesn't work. What need to be done to make minimize work? 
Mar 04 09:12:49 <zchydem> any ideas?
Mar 04 09:13:10 <ljp> probably have to hack in the qwswindowerver code
Mar 04 09:13:40 <rohanpm> zchydem: try: { QtopiaIpcEnvelope e("QPE/System", "showHomeScreen()"); }
Mar 04 09:13:54 <rohanpm> if it is acceptable to minimize all applications at once
Mar 04 09:19:51 <zchydem> I'm using QTopia-Core or Embedded... So I think you're talking about Qtopia PE?
Mar 04 09:19:58 <rohanpm> yes, sorry
Mar 04 09:20:45 <zchydem> ljp, you think that only way to make minimize to work, is to hack qtopia code?
Mar 04 09:21:21 <rohanpm> zchydem: if you have a "wallpaper" widget or background, you should be able to just call raise() on it
Mar 04 09:21:57 <Babel1> hi
Mar 04 09:22:09 <Babel1> rohanpm: i follow your advice and post on nntp server ;)
Mar 04 09:22:44 <ljp> zchydem: depends on whether you are using full screen windows or not
Mar 04 09:22:55 <goxboxlive> pandora--, i dont think the neo is the best with Qtopia. Htc universal and MIo A701 works a lot better. We have uptime in about 3-5 days while neo breaks out after 3-5 hours
Mar 04 09:23:15 <ljp> goxboxlive: tink your pretty smart hey :)
Mar 04 09:23:15 <goxboxlive> Both machines has also way better hardware than the Neo
Mar 04 09:23:22 <goxboxlive> ljp, :-) 
Mar 04 09:23:35 <goxboxlive> ljp, my neo is collecting dust
Mar 04 09:23:43 <ljp> who needs uptime when you have a usb cable!
Mar 04 09:23:44 <goxboxlive> it's not useable for a daily phone
Mar 04 09:24:02 <ljp> yes its too bad
Mar 04 09:24:29 <Babel1> ljp: htcblueangel works with qtopia now ;) goxboxlive you need to test ;=)
Mar 04 09:25:08 <goxboxlive> Babel1, really, even the modem?
Mar 04 09:25:12 <Babel1> ljp: but i have some problems with notification and unsolicited event
Mar 04 09:25:33 <Babel1> goxboxlive: yes, yesturday , i try call + sms and also some call forward
Mar 04 09:25:36 <goxboxlive> Babel1, you should create yourself a branch for htcphone
Mar 04 09:25:41 <goxboxlive> cool
Mar 04 09:25:41 <Babel1> goxboxlive: gprs is detected well
Mar 04 09:26:08 <goxboxlive> Babel1, gprs, yes but you cant set it up in QTopia right? U have to do that manually?
Mar 04 09:26:43 <ljp> you guys are going to love 4.4
Mar 04 09:26:58 <goxboxlive> ljp, when ?
Mar 04 09:27:26 <goxboxlive> this spring or the authum (euro )
Mar 04 09:28:30 <Babel1> goxboxlive, ljp : what mean unknown:Orange F ???
Mar 04 09:28:34 <Babel1> Orange F is my operator
Mar 04 09:28:40 <Babel1> but unknown ?
Mar 04 09:36:02 <ljp> hmm
Mar 04 09:36:50 <ljp> i dont know
Mar 04 09:55:44 <Babel1> ljp: so maybe it is for SIP account ;)
Mar 04 09:56:01 <Babel1> i try to setup my for mine without success
Mar 04 09:56:22 <Babel1> ljp: wrong thing is that i need patch into qtopia :(
Mar 04 09:56:56 <Babel1> ok, have to post another question on qtopia-interest, maybe someone answer me a day
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