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Mar 04 13:24:18 <pusling> I have been talking a couple of times in here about a "first click" on a newly shown widget being dead slow.
Mar 04 13:25:21 <pusling> I have tried running my application under strace - and there seems to be a timer_delete and a semop syscall that is "blocking" each for more than half second
Mar 04 13:26:05 <pusling> anyone got any clues/ideas/something ?
Mar 04 13:31:01 <ruphy> ljp: ping
Mar 04 15:03:29 <chouimat|work> morning
Mar 04 15:07:23 <Babel1> MORNING chouimat|work
Mar 04 15:16:45 <Babel1> ljp: do you have a ti gsm modem documentation ?
Mar 04 16:33:03 <goxboxlive> Babel1, could you make yourself a own banch at the unofficial qtopia tree
Mar 04 16:33:28 <goxboxlive> just so you know, we patch both source for universal and mio to have qtopia working with it.
Mar 04 16:33:32 <Babel1> goxboxlive: yes, how do i proceed ?
Mar 04 16:33:43 <goxboxlive> Universal wouldnt work if we dont patch it.
Mar 04 16:33:59 <goxboxlive> Babel1, have you sent your ssh key to paulproteus 
Mar 04 16:34:01 <goxboxlive> ?
Mar 04 16:34:20 <Babel1> goxboxlive: no :)
Mar 04 16:34:33 <goxboxlive> ok, you have to do that first to have write access.
Mar 04 16:34:39 <Babel1> goxboxlive: do you know what is patched for universal to run on qtopia ?
Mar 04 16:34:39 <goxboxlive> i guess he is a sleep now
Mar 04 16:34:47 <goxboxlive> yes
Mar 04 16:34:49 <Babel1> yes i think too
Mar 04 16:35:01 <goxboxlive> qmodemcellbroadcast.cpp/h
Mar 04 16:35:20 <goxboxlive> actually i have a patch i can mail you, hold on
Mar 04 16:35:27 <Babel1> goxboxlive: ah ah, i think i need the original file
Mar 04 16:36:05 <goxboxlive> well it's not a patch it's a tar.bz file with the files .
Mar 04 16:36:39 <Babel1> goxboxlive: ok, could you send me the file then i use kompare to show diif
Mar 04 16:37:24 <goxboxlive> Babel1, they are sent, both for mio and uni
Mar 04 16:37:32 <Babel1> goxboxlive: thx
Mar 04 16:37:36 <goxboxlive> np
Mar 04 16:38:54 <Babel1> goxboxlive: so these patch are not available in current branch, even in your git tree ,
Mar 04 16:43:01 <goxboxlive> Babel1, no they are not in my branch, but the uni patch is available in the htcuniversal branch, and the mio in the mioa701 branch
Mar 04 16:43:27 <goxboxlive> in my branch i have clean qtopia, but i overwrite if i build for uni or mio
Mar 04 16:43:33 <goxboxlive> but do not commit
Mar 04 16:43:36 <Babel1> goxboxlive: i merge with universal branch last week ;)à
Mar 04 16:43:42 <goxboxlive> Babel1, ok
Mar 04 16:43:56 <goxboxlive> then you have the htcuniversal files
Mar 04 16:43:59 <Babel1> so maybe that is why it is not working
Mar 04 16:44:05 <goxboxlive> that mighjt be
Mar 04 16:44:12 <goxboxlive> try clean qtopia first
Mar 04 16:45:19 <Babel1> goxboxlive: y think i switch to my own branch and then use standard qtopia first time, ljp is able to run fic like this
Mar 04 16:45:28 <Babel1> and we have same modem
Mar 04 16:45:43 <goxboxlive> yes i think so too
Mar 04 18:16:16 <pusling> ljp: 'round ? (remember me talking about first keypress on a newly shown widget being real slow?)
Mar 04 18:32:43 <paulproteus> BabelO, Hi, yes, send me an SSH public key. (-:
Mar 04 18:33:32 <BabelO> paulproteus: hi, how do i get my public key ?
Mar 04 18:33:45 <paulproteus> BabelO, Do you normally use a Linux system for develping?
Mar 04 18:33:54 <paulproteus> On Linux and OS X it's very easy, at least.
Mar 04 18:34:14 <BabelO> paulproteus: yes always and only that at home, is it ssh-keygen ?
Mar 04 18:34:42 <paulproteus> BabelO, Yup.
Mar 04 18:34:51 <paulproteus> BabelO, You just do 'ssh-keygen', and email me ~/.ssh/*.pub
Mar 04 18:35:13 <BabelO> paulproteus: ok
Mar 04 18:37:43 <BabelO> paulproteus: can you send me your email in pivate ? :)
Mar 04 18:37:56 <BabelO> s/pivate/private/
Mar 04 18:38:35 <paulproteus> BabelO, Step 4 @ http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Qtopia
Mar 04 18:42:54 <BabelO> paulproteus: mail sent
Mar 04 18:43:05 <paulproteus> BabelO, Got the email; I'll actually handle it in an hour or two. (-:
Mar 04 18:44:32 <BabelO> paulproteus: thanks
Mar 04 18:46:26 * pusling concludes that global stylesheets in qtopia-apps are evil.
Mar 04 18:57:27 <ljp> they are
Mar 04 18:57:43 <BabelO> ola ljp :)
Mar 04 19:04:52 <pusling> so.. what to do when stylesheets are evil and there stil is a need for fancy styling (to 1 bit black/white colors) ?
Mar 04 19:06:27 <tsdogs> ljp: is there any plan on developing some RAD app (something like Delphi or c++builder)? qdevelop is some kind of effort but it misses a lot to get there
Mar 04 19:09:23 <pusling> and can anyone explain me why stylesheets slows down my app that much ?
Mar 04 19:11:15 <ljp> tsdogs: maybe :)
Mar 04 19:11:50 <BabelO> tsdogs: www.monkeystudio.org ;)
Mar 04 19:11:55 <ljp> pusling: not sure, I think some devs looked into optimizing it some
Mar 04 19:11:58 <tsdogs> ljp: I think this whould increase the number of people developing using QT, also companies whould pay for it
Mar 04 19:12:55 <ljp> it probably would, if it were good
Mar 04 19:13:10 <tsdogs> BabelO: u tryed it?
Mar 04 19:13:44 <BabelO> tsdogs: yes , i use it at works under windows, and at home i use kdevelop
Mar 04 19:13:57 <BabelO> tsdogs: but it is still in beta release
Mar 04 19:14:28 <pusling> ljp: it costs me a second to use stylesheets on my first keypress on a new shown widget so :/
Mar 04 19:14:33 <pusling> what are the alternatives ?
Mar 04 19:18:31 <ljp> using QStyle
Mar 04 19:19:56 <pusling> okay. just sounds a bit harder :)
Mar 04 20:46:32 <woglinde> hi can someone provide me the windows greenphone flashtool?
Mar 04 20:46:59 <lpotter> i can email it to you
Mar 04 20:47:38 <ljp> whats your addy?
Mar 04 20:47:55 <woglinde> its in the query
Mar 04 20:48:30 <woglinde> hm can I flash from a vmware installed windows on linux?
Mar 04 20:48:42 <woglinde> or is that troublesome?
Mar 04 20:49:45 <ljp> not sure. probably might be troublesome
Mar 04 20:49:55 <woglinde> hm okay I will test it
Mar 04 20:50:06 <ljp> you can try. if it connects at all it should be fine
Mar 04 20:51:00 <scrav> weird, ljp i thougt u were potter :S
Mar 04 20:51:35 <woglinde> hehe
Mar 04 20:52:48 * chouimat|work never was able to get the fscking usb working under vmware
Mar 04 20:53:07 <woglinde> chouimat?
Mar 04 20:53:20 <woglinde> for greenphone or general?
Mar 04 20:54:24 <chouimat|work> general :)
Mar 04 20:54:34 <woglinde> hehe
Mar 04 20:54:50 <woglinde> trick is you have to connect the devices
Mar 04 20:55:06 <Bertygma> hello
Mar 04 20:55:34 <woglinde> under vm removable devices
Mar 04 20:55:56 <chouimat|work> woglinde: true but for this the device has to showup :)
Mar 04 20:56:08 <woglinde> he okay
Mar 04 20:57:34 <woglinde> *waiting for the email*
Mar 04 21:03:09 <Bertygma> guys i have a device that has qtopia but a very locked version of it
Mar 04 21:03:31 <Bertygma> its called mt6227 any suggestions?
Mar 04 21:03:36 <woglinde> ljp do have my email now?
Mar 04 21:06:17 <Bertygma> its a chinese device i cant get into it and change stuff is it some specific program for that or something?
Mar 04 21:06:49 <woglinde> bertygma we dont know the device and maybe you have to hardwarehacking something
Mar 04 21:06:52 <woglinde> like jtag
Mar 04 21:07:46 <Bertygma> yeah but that device runs qtopia now
Mar 04 21:08:37 <Bertygma> an windows xp themed qtopia to be exact
Mar 04 21:09:36 <scrav> woglinde, can you query me? i lost my pass, if its legal i can set up my ftp with the file
Mar 04 21:10:15 <Bertygma> is there any thing that can extract the firmware btw?
Mar 04 21:10:36 <woglinde> scrav for the windows flashtool?
Mar 04 21:10:43 <scrav> woglinde, yes
Mar 04 21:11:00 <Bertygma> windows flashtool?
Mar 04 21:11:08 <woglinde> didnt arrived
Mar 04 21:11:16 <scrav> query me then
Mar 04 21:11:23 <scrav> i cant qry lost pass :P
Mar 04 21:12:05 <woglinde> hm you could ask ljp to sent it to you too
Mar 04 21:12:15 <scrav> i got it!!
Mar 04 21:12:44 <scrav> i can give it to you dude :P, qry me!
Mar 04 21:12:49 <woglinde> bertygam a jtag I guess
Mar 04 21:12:59 <woglinde> scrav oh sorry missunderstand you
Mar 04 21:20:03 <scrav> woglinde, np, can u even see what im saying to you in priv? :S
Mar 04 21:20:12 <woglinde> scrav nope
Mar 04 21:20:15 <scrav> lol k
Mar 04 21:20:24 <woglinde> seems you didnt register your nick
Mar 04 21:20:31 <scrav> i did but i lost the pass
Mar 04 21:20:39 <woglinde> okay now its clear
Mar 04 21:20:47 <scrav> sec
Mar 04 21:20:49 <woglinde> can you email it?
Mar 04 21:21:43 <ljp> woglinde: yes. needed to go into work.
Mar 04 21:22:07 <woglinde> maybee scrav is faster
Mar 04 21:22:17 <woglinde> or is it illegal
Mar 04 21:22:26 <ljp> probably. :)
Mar 04 21:22:28 <scrav> ljp, is it legal if i ftp here for 2 mins ? 
Mar 04 21:22:32 <scrav> with the file? :P
Mar 04 21:23:00 <scrav> hmm
Mar 04 21:23:06 <scrav> spell like a kråka
Mar 04 21:23:17 <scrav> so woglinde tell me when you are done
Mar 04 21:23:28 <woglinde> hm?
Mar 04 21:23:34 * ljp looks the other way
Mar 04 21:23:40 <scrav>  http://www.dietmetoden.se/winflashtool/greenphone-bootloader-300407.zip
Mar 04 21:23:42 <woglinde> *g*
Mar 04 21:24:04 <woglinde> done
Mar 04 21:24:10 <scrav> nice
Mar 04 21:31:12 <woglinde> args the driver is only for xp?
Mar 04 21:32:45 <scrav> think so
Mar 04 21:32:52 <woglinde> damnit
Mar 04 21:33:02 <woglinde> only have win2000 and win2003 in vmware here
Mar 04 21:33:39 <scrav> i wont mirror XP for sure
Mar 04 21:33:40 <scrav> :P
Mar 04 21:33:52 <woglinde> maybee the driver works under 2000
Mar 04 21:33:53 <woglinde> test
Mar 04 21:45:06 <woglinde> no chance
Mar 04 21:45:09 <woglinde> than next week
Mar 04 22:49:38 <Bertygma> u guys familiar with chinese qtopia devices?
Mar 04 22:56:23 <BabelO> ljp: eh eh i just fix freeze stuff on ba, now i receive call, network monitoring works too
Mar 04 22:58:55 <BabelO> ljp, what about phonebook support ?
Mar 04 22:59:02 <BabelO> does it works for you ?
Mar 04 23:02:55 <ljp> BabelO: yes it does for neo
Mar 04 23:03:17 <BabelO> ljp: so i miss something like for SIM application too :(
Mar 04 23:03:39 <BabelO> SMS fail when i send one.. maybe i forgot to trap a return false ;)
Mar 04 23:07:25 <BabelO> ljp now qtopia is very fast, looks strange
Mar 04 23:07:43 <ljp> :D
Mar 04 23:08:04 <BabelO> it seel that without modem enabled it lost lot of speed calling modem thread, i m right ?
Mar 04 23:08:50 <BabelO> lot of thing to do in a real word now ( not kernel ) ;)
Mar 04 23:09:44 <Bertygma> there any programs for qtopia to download?
Mar 04 23:09:47 <pusling> what? qtopia can be fast ?
Mar 04 23:10:25 <BabelO> pusling: my blueangel had 128Mb of ram and 400Mhz arm cpu ;)
Mar 04 23:10:30 <BabelO> Bertygma: yes ;)
Mar 04 23:10:38 <BabelO> Bertygma: did you look at qtopia.net ?
Mar 04 23:11:22 <pusling> BabelO: if you use stylesheets, disable them, they seems crappy ;)
Mar 04 23:11:49 <ljp> qtopia is fast on n810
Mar 04 23:12:01 <BabelO> pusling: i try to use stylesheet for my IM app, but not enough time to learn the power of that
Mar 04 23:12:27 <pusling> BabelO: I have to spend tomorrow and the day after to hack outh stylesheet usage. it is crappy
Mar 04 23:13:06 <BabelO> pusling: strange thing in what you say is that i use a QListView and add QPushButton in it for my application
Mar 04 23:13:28 <BabelO> pusling: i try with my MSN account, and i have around 90 contacts
Mar 04 23:13:52 <BabelO> pusling: so it is 90 QPushButton in added to QListview
Mar 04 23:14:13 <pusling> BabelO: When I run show() on a widget, then first keypress on this widget takes more than a second to be run.
Mar 04 23:14:17 <BabelO> pusling: ok most of them set to an heiigh 0
Mar 04 23:14:27 <pusling> If I remove main stylesheet usage, it is immediately.
Mar 04 23:14:47 <BabelO> pusling: look at my dirty and quick code , lol http://linuxbox2.free.fr/qtapp
Mar 04 23:15:43 <BabelO> ok web design is not my favorite works too :(
Mar 04 23:15:45 <pusling> too many colors for my device ;)
Mar 04 23:16:24 <BabelO> ljp: i can try my app over gprs now ;)
Mar 04 23:18:48 <Bertygma> so qtopia programs just run on qtopia?
Mar 04 23:19:02 <Bertygma> or is compiling involved?
Mar 04 23:19:21 <BabelO> Bertygma: no, it works on computer too, with standard QT
Mar 04 23:19:30 <BabelO> Bertygma: you just need to think before
Mar 04 23:19:46 <BabelO> Bertygma: like to not use SoftMenuBar and some specific thing
Mar 04 23:19:56 <Bertygma> so i just select the package and it installs?
Mar 04 23:20:46 <BabelO> Bertygma: something like that yes ;) mine does not work, it is compiled for GP
Mar 04 23:22:42 <Bertygma> hmm i get 1 forward 2 detail 3 rename 4 copy and so on no open when selecting shopper program
Mar 04 23:23:26 <BabelO> Bertygma: where do you  do that ?a screenshot please ;)
Mar 04 23:24:05 <Bertygma> file manager how i take screenshots with the phone?
Mar 04 23:25:37 <BabelO> Bertygma: easy way to install is to download qpk file to your sdcard and telnet on the phone
Mar 04 23:25:54 <BabelO> ljp: now more about all the steps than me ;)
Mar 04 23:28:18 <BabelO> Bertygma: i m sorry , i can't help, i never use interface 
Mar 04 23:30:59 <Bertygma> damn
Mar 04 23:31:04 <Bertygma> qtopia is hard
Mar 04 23:31:13 <Bertygma> cant do anything with interface
Mar 04 23:31:28 <ljp> ?
Mar 04 23:31:30 <pusling> BabelO: are you using decibel for your IM app ?
Mar 04 23:31:38 <Bertygma> cant even change this stupid windows xp theme they put on
Mar 04 23:31:48 <Bertygma> cause in themes there are no others
Mar 04 23:31:57 <Bertygma> where do i get original qtopia theme?
Mar 04 23:32:09 <BabelO> pusling: copy / paste ? :) yes one or two part, but it is more  based on tapioca api for qt
Mar 04 23:34:51 <BabelO> pusling: why this question ?
Mar 04 23:35:17 <BabelO> Bertygma: in Settings -> Appearence
Mar 04 23:35:18 <pusling> BabelO: just curious. and suddenly remembered that it was what decibel was made for (in theory)
Mar 04 23:35:42 <BabelO> pusling: but decibel code look complex to me :)
Mar 04 23:36:26 <BabelO> pusling: i just reuse some idea, and fix bug in tapioca with help of birunko on #tapioca-voip channel
Mar 04 23:36:33 <Bertygma> here its settings phone setup  display charecteristic  mainmenu style
Mar 04 23:36:46 <BabelO> pusling: and  when qtopia get gstreamer working well, we can have IM video :)
Mar 04 23:36:53 <Bertygma> for some reasons the windows xp theme is called matrix
Mar 04 23:37:53 <BabelO> pusling: and last thing to do before is to fix tapioca to support irc
Mar 04 23:38:26 <pusling> BabelO: can't you just build phonon against qtopia? ,)
Mar 04 23:39:11 <Bertygma> this chinese qtopia build seems to be hidden into the phone
Mar 04 23:39:12 <BabelO> pusling: sorry don't know what it is
Mar 04 23:39:27 <Bertygma> i cant find its files n stuff anywhere
Mar 04 23:39:34 <pusling> BabelO: phonon is the sound thingie in qt4 (coming from kde4) - 
Mar 04 23:39:57 <Bertygma> how can i really get its files in order to change the appearance?
Mar 04 23:40:20 <pusling> BabelO: and the sound thingie coming in qt4.4 - and I would expect it in qtopia as well
Mar 04 23:42:27 <BabelO> Bertygma: telnet to the device ;) else i can not help you
Mar 04 23:42:41 <BabelO> pusling: ok
Mar 04 23:43:39 <Bertygma> okay so i connect the usb to the phone
Mar 04 23:43:57 <Bertygma> start telnet how do i telnet inside?
Mar 04 23:44:19 <Bertygma> *starting telnet*
Mar 04 23:44:43 <BabelO> Bertygma: look for your usb ip adress
Mar 04 23:44:56 <Bertygma> how?
Mar 04 23:45:40 <BabelO> Bertygma: arp -a
Mar 04 23:45:47 <BabelO> in command line
Mar 04 23:46:39 <Bertygma> wrong command
Mar 04 23:46:43 <Bertygma> it sez
Mar 04 23:46:46 <BabelO> Bertygma: what is your os ?
Mar 04 23:46:50 <Bertygma> Xp
Mar 04 23:47:25 <BabelO> does arp exist ?
Mar 04 23:47:32 <Bertygma> nope
Mar 04 23:48:10 <Bertygma> maybe i should get another telnet?
Mar 04 23:48:12 <BabelO> i always forgot the command, are you sure this phone is linux based and support telnet ?
Mar 04 23:48:22 <Bertygma> yep
Mar 04 23:48:42 <Bertygma> its a chinese qtopia phone
Mar 04 23:48:58 <BabelO> Bertygma: so try ipconfig to see network range
Mar 04 23:49:28 <Bertygma> this phone has not wifi
Mar 04 23:50:21 <Bertygma> rnet nic
Mar 04 23:50:25 <Bertygma> this could be it
Mar 04 23:52:44 <BabelO> Bertygma: i have a windows XP in VirtualBox, and i got arp -a
Mar 04 23:53:41 <Bertygma> i use nlited version
Mar 04 23:53:53 <Bertygma> never thought i needed that much stuff
Mar 04 23:54:57 <BabelO> lol, i use a lited version too, but with that ;)
Mar 04 23:55:14 <BabelO> there is other way to found this adress
Mar 04 23:55:45 <BabelO> sometime with a ping -b 192.168.0.255 all device on smae network send a response
Mar 04 23:55:58 <BabelO> just replace 192.168.0 by your network area
Mar 04 23:57:21 <Bertygma> great it times out
Mar 04 23:57:52 <BabelO> Bertygma: you try for each area you see on your card ?
Mar 04 23:58:08 <Bertygma> 4 times
Mar 04 23:58:30 <BabelO> Bertygma: try to play with software provided with phone to find it, no more idea :(
Mar 04 23:58:33 <Bertygma> i have 2 network cards and 4 usb
Mar 04 23:58:59 <Bertygma> thats hard as hell
Mar 04 23:59:11 <Bertygma> i never found a software that can browse firmware
Mar 05 00:01:27 <Bertygma> BabelO this qtopia cant run programs with gui it seems
Mar 05 00:01:36 <Bertygma> i wonder why it was made that way
Mar 05 00:02:44 <Bertygma> maybe original qtopia's better
Mar 05 00:21:40 <BabelO> good night
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Mar 05 09:24:11 <crweb> anyone else have problems with QWSServer::screenSaverActive() always returning false?
Mar 05 09:41:17 <Babel1> hi
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