**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 02:59:56 2008 Jul 21 04:37:25 yes, mostly Jul 21 04:38:08 all qtopia does is run apm -s when suspending, and turn of modem stuff Jul 21 04:38:18 turn off as in stop the mode chatter Jul 21 04:40:35 ok Jul 21 04:42:22 so it seems FSO is the only image that has good power management Jul 21 04:45:49 ljp: is it possible to get voicemail notifications? Jul 21 04:46:01 ljp: what hoops do I have to do to setupo MMS? Jul 21 04:46:09 I have to jump through Jul 21 04:47:23 mms not working on qtopia Jul 21 04:47:48 oh...it also seems to like to forget my voicemail setting after I enter it and then reboot the phone Jul 21 04:47:59 so I set it up as a contact Jul 21 04:48:21 isn't there a web browser? Jul 21 04:49:04 in the upcoming 4.4 version Jul 21 04:49:09 ok Jul 21 04:50:20 how is voicemail notification normally implemented? Jul 21 04:50:57 usually comes from the operator, I think Jul 21 04:51:18 so is that hard to do in the open source world? Jul 21 04:51:37 no Jul 21 04:51:46 i am not real sure acctually Jul 21 04:52:06 just curious as to how the alert is communicated Jul 21 04:52:33 sounds like it's via SMS Jul 21 04:55:26 not real sure and the comm guys are on holidays/away Jul 21 05:04:35 ljp: so can you configure your phone to accept voicemail alerts some how? Jul 21 05:04:43 with qtopia Jul 21 05:05:06 ljp: is there a bug tracker for qtopia? Jul 21 05:05:25 http://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker Jul 21 05:05:50 what do you guys think of the port of qtopia to X? Jul 21 05:06:21 ummm.. TT is the one who actually did the 'porting' Jul 21 05:06:29 :) Jul 21 05:06:34 who is TT? Jul 21 05:06:39 Trolltech Jul 21 05:06:46 oh Jul 21 05:06:58 so will future releases be able to run any X application? Jul 21 05:07:15 no. Qtopia x11 is unsupported nad undeveloped Jul 21 05:07:34 are there any apps in qtopia or openmoko repos that I can install and run? Jul 21 05:07:57 i have not yet set up a small feed at qtopia.net Jul 21 05:10:05 oh, how are the newer snapshots? Jul 21 05:10:18 I see some here: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots Jul 21 05:10:28 resume working Jul 21 05:12:03 the latest freerunner snapshot image I meant Jul 21 05:13:14 I'm not following you as I am not sure what you mean by 'resume working'...I thought you were telling me you needed to resume working ;P Jul 21 05:13:24 and that I was just harassing you too much ;) Jul 21 05:13:30 nope Jul 21 05:13:44 i meant, resume on neo freerunner with qtopia iamge is working :) Jul 21 05:13:59 resume from suspend? Jul 21 05:14:00 as opposed to the default gui resume not working Jul 21 05:14:09 yes, resume from susupend Jul 21 05:14:25 well it seems that works for me right now but I don't get very good battery life Jul 21 05:14:53 ya :( Jul 21 05:14:58 I have a few outstanding issues with qtopia on the freerunner Jul 21 05:14:59 thats a system thing Jul 21 05:15:07 hmmm such as? Jul 21 05:15:35 well the voicemail number thing not saving between reboots Jul 21 05:15:49 call options -> services -> voicemail number does not stick around Jul 21 05:15:55 between reboots Jul 21 05:16:27 oh, the speaker phone just sqeals at me but I thought maybe that was a kernel type issue Jul 21 05:17:10 what is the licensing for qtopia like? typical dual license thing like standard QT? Jul 21 05:17:38 speakerphone issue is openmoko Jul 21 05:17:41 GPL Jul 21 05:17:44 on the neo Jul 21 05:19:27 sometimes when I go into messages it seems to get stuck at a certain screen and I cannot go back to the actual inbox, trash, etc. listing Jul 21 05:19:36 unless I get a new message Jul 21 05:19:53 even if I pick SMS List or what not from my "favorites" Jul 21 05:20:07 (tha star menu) Jul 21 05:20:14 View SMS List Jul 21 05:20:33 can you reproduce this? Jul 21 05:20:43 possibly Jul 21 05:20:46 ;P Jul 21 05:20:56 and tell me how? :) Jul 21 05:21:02 let me try... Jul 21 05:21:47 oh, also it seems if I hit "yes" that I want to view the text message now it does not take me to the inbox Jul 21 05:22:11 I have to hit the envelope then hit "yes" to make that prompt go away Jul 21 05:22:23 even then sometimes I have to go into messages from the main menu Jul 21 05:24:03 the messages screen thing is elusive and hard to reproduce...I'd have to try and pay more attention as to what causes it and when it happens then try to reproduce it Jul 21 05:24:15 not having much luck atm Jul 21 05:25:12 another thing I noticed is that I'll lock the screen and then take the phone out of suspend and sometimes it take the screen lock off right away...not sure if that's intended Jul 21 05:25:29 other times I have to unlock it by draggin the key to the lock Jul 21 05:27:04 what I mean is I'll lock the phone, it'll go into suspend, I'll hit the power button to bring it back, and then the screen lock will disappear...other times I will have to unlock the screen after waking it up Jul 21 05:27:15 shouldnt do that unless you drag the lock Jul 21 05:27:29 well sometimes it unlock automagically Jul 21 05:28:06 not that I care cause usually if you are going to resume the phone you're going to do something with it, but it didn't seem like logical behavior to me Jul 21 05:29:09 do the snapshots contain any bug fixes? Jul 21 05:29:24 * chillywilly is wanting to try -> ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/snapshots/qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.2-snapshot-20080721.tar.gz Jul 21 05:30:30 have so many questions about this and that related to qtopia so let me know if I start to annoy you ;) Jul 21 05:31:11 I was wondering how I can get media onto the thing...more specifically is there a method to the madness of the file system structure in /home/root and where would I place such files? Jul 21 05:31:21 I can scp them onto it Jul 21 05:31:33 but I was curious as to "where" to put them ;P Jul 21 05:31:42 I see the Documents folder and things like that Jul 21 05:32:03 Documents/audio, Documents/text Jul 21 05:32:34 anywhere is ~/Documents or on the sd card Jul 21 05:32:40 ok Jul 21 05:32:50 I'll have to give that a try Jul 21 05:33:19 the defualt ring is rather annoying and very short Jul 21 05:33:28 I'd like to throw something else on here Jul 21 05:34:54 if I want to backup my contents before I flash a new image what would I need to copy? all of ~/? Jul 21 05:35:00 contacts, rather Jul 21 05:35:32 ~/Documents ~/Settings ~/Applications ~/packages Jul 21 05:36:18 what's in the sqlite db on the microSD card? Jul 21 05:36:19 i think they are in Applications/qtmail sqlite database Jul 21 05:36:36 its the db for the content qtopia found on the sd Jul 21 05:36:54 ic Jul 21 05:37:10 yea I should try and move my contacts off my old phone onto the SD card among other things Jul 21 05:37:35 I mean the SIM Jul 21 05:37:38 not the SD card Jul 21 05:37:43 :) Jul 21 05:38:28 do you guys currently provide a package repo for installing more software? Jul 21 05:38:37 not quite yet Jul 21 05:38:40 ok Jul 21 05:38:46 i have been copiling a few apps though Jul 21 05:38:52 not many out there Jul 21 05:39:08 openmoko has a lot of games ;P Jul 21 05:39:19 I suppose I cannot run those on qtopia though Jul 21 05:39:36 nope. those require X11 Jul 21 05:39:43 qtopia doesnt use X Jul 21 05:40:45 well I am going to flash the latest snapshot because I can ;P Jul 21 05:41:24 oh that looks like source code and not an image, nevermind then Jul 21 05:44:21 found a newer image on the website Jul 21 05:45:42 :) Jul 21 05:47:32 oh cool, you applied mwester's patch Jul 21 05:51:03 yep Jul 21 05:52:48 oh and another gripe was that I could not get a wifi connection Jul 21 05:52:52 ;P Jul 21 05:53:43 the script(s) didn't seem to be working Jul 21 05:53:57 wpa encryption does not work which is an openmoko system bug Jul 21 05:53:57 it was trying to use avahi and do all kinds of funky stuff Jul 21 05:54:15 well I was trying to use WEP at my mother-in-law's Jul 21 05:54:20 ahh Jul 21 05:54:37 you use static ip? Jul 21 05:54:41 no Jul 21 05:54:45 DHCP Jul 21 05:54:58 it should work Jul 21 05:55:00 avahi is dhcp client thing Jul 21 05:55:02 works on the laptop Jul 21 05:55:10 wep works for me :) Jul 21 05:55:22 at least in the snapshot Jul 21 05:55:29 well maybe I can try again once I fix openwrt on my router Jul 21 05:55:32 ok Jul 21 05:55:52 for some reason the router dropped off my LAN and will not come back on Jul 21 05:56:01 even booted it into failsafe and looked at the config files Jul 21 05:56:02 :( bummer Jul 21 05:56:08 it should be available at 10.66.2.4 Jul 21 05:56:18 but when it boots up I cannot ping it Jul 21 05:56:37 if I change my workstation network config and boot it into failsafe mode I can get into the router Jul 21 05:56:54 odd Jul 21 05:56:57 going home now. bbiab... Jul 21 05:56:59 well I am not using it as a router, just an access point Jul 21 05:57:05 oh Jul 21 05:57:07 I have a linux box as a router Jul 21 05:57:16 but this config used to work fine Jul 21 05:57:52 I just configured the LAN ports to come up on the LAN subnet, disabled the internet port crap, and configured the wireless Jul 21 05:58:07 I have to figure out wtf is going on with it Jul 21 06:01:16 bah... Jul 21 06:01:28 takes a while to flash things Jul 21 06:01:31 lalala Jul 21 06:02:26 ljp: what's broken with WPA? Jul 21 06:04:40 ljp: do you know if there's some bootsplash package because I see this a lot on boot up: splash-write: applet not found Jul 21 06:20:39 ljp: another thing is that I noticed when you are in the message list view in the messages app it does not propely update the total/new counts even after you have read all messages in a given folder/inbox Jul 21 06:22:12 hmmm, right now since I have no messages in any "folders" it shoots me straight to the compose screen Jul 21 06:39:30 hhmm Jul 21 09:14:37 I have gotten a coupe of SMS now that comes up as gibberish. Jul 21 09:16:41 The messages are automated messages from www.elfa.se, the norwegian branch if that matters. The from number is not present, but it is identified there instead as a contact name (which I don't have in my contacts). The name is "ELFA@@@i" Jul 21 09:17:09 The message pretty much consists of special characters. Jul 21 09:35:59 probably means you have voicemail :) Jul 21 09:36:28 I just submitted a bug about that Jul 21 09:59:03 ljp: nope, it means that my electronic bits and pieces for my pinball machine power supply rebuild has arrived =) Jul 21 09:59:42 I got the same from Turkish Airlines with the ticket I ordered there. Jul 21 10:00:04 just a buch of rubbish that supposedly should have been a reservation number. Jul 21 10:00:40 Do you have a link to the bug, so I can add information? It seems as if it is easily reproduced. Jul 21 10:01:26 lpotter: did you finish that backup script of yours, to backup contacts and such to the SD card? Jul 21 10:03:49 not yet Jul 21 17:11:42 any suggestion for a small to medium sized phone, qtopia based, that's easily customizable (preferable with gps included)? Jul 21 17:12:09 noe freerunner seems a little imature atm Jul 21 17:12:13 *neo Jul 21 18:14:08 most phones pn the market are not going to be customizable Jul 21 18:14:21 the garmin nuviphone runs qtopia Jul 21 18:23:10 theres a skype phone and perhaps others I do not know about. Jul 21 18:23:50 for customizable, I think the neo is your best bet Jul 21 18:30:13 hmmm 400$ Jul 21 19:05:37 Hey all, I'm looking to update / confirm bugs in qtopia for freerunner... where's the bug database? Jul 21 19:06:01 http://www.trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker Jul 21 19:06:31 I saw that... is there something more specific to the freerunner? Jul 21 19:07:13 just out [NEO} in the subject :) Jul 21 19:07:18 err [NEO] Jul 21 19:07:32 put, that is Jul 21 19:07:33 alright, let me see if there are bugs filed for it already Jul 21 19:07:54 mind you, those are only the 'public' bugs *sigh* Jul 21 19:08:05 yah, the bug process didn't look that open Jul 21 19:08:43 its not, we have customers that do not want to be known. the mobile phone industry is very secretive Jul 21 19:09:14 silly Jul 21 19:09:36 how am I to help then? I don't have time to code but would like to play a role in testing / confirming bugs on my freerunner Jul 21 19:09:47 I can do that in the evenings Jul 21 19:13:10 Is qtopia supposed to be a full distro for the neo or just an SDK ? Jul 21 19:13:44 qtopia is a gui that runs on whatever openmoko system there is. Jul 21 19:14:02 there is also a qtopia sdk for the Neo Jul 21 19:15:08 so ASU also uses qtopia right ? Jul 21 19:17:11 uses parts of it Jul 21 19:17:21 but thats not qtopia Jul 21 19:27:09 the package manager of qtopia does not support upgrading of packages if the version number changes? You have to uninstall and reinstall, right? Jul 21 19:34:32 not sure, really Jul 21 19:34:58 it seems like it. Jul 21 19:36:52 If anyone of you guys want, you kan try out my GPS app for the Freerunner. Add the server "http://kodez.homelinux.net/feed" to the packagemanager, and try it out. Nothing fancy, I just wanted my GPS to work in qtopia. Jul 21 19:37:34 Remember the SD card bug. Remove the card before you try. It takes some time before you get a fix. Jul 21 19:37:35 ok Jul 21 19:39:46 sorry for being dense... so if I find bugs in the software on my freerunner (which was flashed with qtopia) I should just report them to the qtopia project? Jul 21 19:40:43 yes, as long as its not ASU :) Jul 21 19:41:16 alright... and my bug goes into a black hole that I can't see ? Jul 21 19:42:07 not entirely Jul 21 19:42:22 you can check the status of it Jul 21 19:42:32 so long as I filed it? Jul 21 19:43:03 anyone can check on the status of all public bugs Jul 21 19:43:16 okay... so there are public / private bugs then... Jul 21 19:44:30 of course Jul 21 19:44:42 in our experience most have been private. Jul 21 19:44:50 true Jul 21 19:44:56 why? Jul 21 19:44:58 even though we experienced them obviously in the Open Source release Jul 21 19:45:36 because customers dont want anyone to know their bugs, or what they are doing, or even if they are working on qtopia Jul 21 19:45:43 It can be very annoying. Especially when tech support forgets to check the private bugs for a problem that is taking up days to solve Jul 21 19:46:13 ugh Jul 21 19:46:17 thankfully ljp is here :) Jul 21 19:46:45 if it is a bug in qtopia... can the bug report just be anonymousized ? Jul 21 19:48:18 I just don't understand how a customer's work on qtopia should result in a qtopia bug being hidden from the world, if it is truly in qtopia Jul 21 19:48:39 there is a coding thing I want to work on... I hate all the keyboards for qtopia... what would I look at for writing my own keyboard ? Jul 21 19:49:57 there is an example input method, or you can start by looking at the existing onesa Jul 21 19:51:01 what source files are they in, or program name ? Jul 21 19:52:30 Hydrant: neuros also has some example virtual keyboards (though probably not well written). Jul 21 19:52:34 Hydrant: http://svn.neurostechnology.com/listing.php?repname=linux-r3-main-app&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fplugins%2Fcellphoneime%2F&rev=0&sc=0 Jul 21 19:52:41 Hydrant: http://svn.neurostechnology.com/listing.php?repname=linux-r3-main-app&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fplugins%2Fsoftkbd%2F&rev=0&sc=0 Jul 21 19:53:53 Hydrant: in the qtopia soruces at ftp.trolltech.com examples/inputmethods and src/plugins/inputmethods Jul 21 19:53:57 is there going to be a legal issue taking the parts of the iphone keyboard I like and adapting them ? Jul 21 19:54:07 it's new source... just same idea Jul 21 19:54:16 I really prefer the way the iphone keyboard works Jul 21 19:54:25 hmm also here http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=tree;h=b9df0ad9af35d051d21a2d873e926e2a29e445eb;hb=b9df0ad9af35d051d21a2d873e926e2a29e445eb Jul 21 19:54:40 probably patented Jul 21 19:55:03 but i doubt they will go after one open source developer :) Jul 21 19:55:06 I didn't know that was possible Jul 21 19:55:13 well I'd hope to release what I do Jul 21 19:55:20 everything is patented Jul 21 19:55:23 I know Jul 21 19:55:27 even my DNA Jul 21 19:55:32 ha Jul 21 19:55:40 we are borg. Jul 21 19:55:41 I'm scheduled for termination I'm sure by Pfizer Jul 21 19:55:55 yep when you hit your 21st birthday Jul 21 19:56:03 crap... I'm 25 Jul 21 19:56:06 doh Jul 21 19:56:22 they are looking for you, Runner! Jul 21 19:56:27 aggh! Jul 21 19:56:52 I should get a T-Shirt that says "My DNA is patented" Jul 21 19:57:11 or "patent this" with the middle finger... hrrm Jul 21 19:57:52 the 2nd one Jul 21 19:58:01 definitely the 2nd one Jul 21 19:58:14 someone will sue you for copyright though Jul 21 19:58:24 haha, true Jul 21 19:58:26 'method of expressing animalistic angst' Jul 21 19:58:36 That's when I put on the back "Copyright this..." Jul 21 20:00:19 I'm happy I upgraded my Internet... 250kbps was way too slow Jul 21 20:01:18 crweb: In quebec in the 80 they used to have a t-shirt like this "Les Mots me manques" (I can't find the words) Jul 21 20:07:54 does anyone have GPS working on their FR? Jul 21 20:13:09 moin Jul 21 20:13:29 eartoast: moin ? Jul 21 20:13:36 ljp compiling ? :) Jul 21 20:13:57 Hydrant: northern german greeting ;) Jul 21 20:13:58 not yet. still at home Jul 21 20:14:14 eartoast: ah... hello there eh?... canadian greeting Jul 21 20:14:31 Hydrant: I have had gps working on it. i have an external antennae Jul 21 20:14:32 ;) Jul 21 20:14:43 ljp: was thinking of getting one Jul 21 20:14:47 Hydrant: http://lh5.ggpht.com/tebruno99/SITuJquiGQI/AAAAAAAAb2I/_NhZZl_1Y5w/CopyrightThis.jpg?imgmax=720 Jul 21 20:15:07 crweb: nice Jul 21 20:15:16 just have to change it to "patent this" Jul 21 20:15:20 and start wearing it everywhere Jul 21 20:15:30 or "Integrate this" for my math classes Jul 21 20:15:36 lol Jul 21 20:15:47 so with the external antenna, GPS works ok? Jul 21 20:15:47 is the phone number <-> name mapping working for anyone properly on the qtopia/fr image? Jul 21 20:16:33 Does anyone see webkit being used on the FR in qtopia to do something like the iPhone did with google apps? Jul 21 20:16:48 Google maps on the FR would be handy... not sure how much data it uses, or if it's fast enough Jul 21 20:17:13 ljp: do you need a special external GPS, or any one will do ? Jul 21 20:18:03 not sure Jul 21 20:18:16 oh btw, I found a belt clip that works for the FR Jul 21 20:18:24 just gotta get something for a palm 600/650 Jul 21 20:18:28 Hydrant: The internal antenna works as well. Jul 21 20:18:38 Just remove the SD card. Jul 21 20:18:41 I thought the internal antenna was screwed up? Jul 21 20:18:53 hrrm Jul 21 20:18:55 There is a software fix for that, but I am unsure if it is in the official kernel yet Jul 21 20:19:00 ah Jul 21 20:19:12 does current FOSS GPS stuff suck ? Jul 21 20:19:13 There is also a hardware fix if you want to try it. Jul 21 20:19:19 Ko_deZ: no way Jul 21 20:19:40 somehow, in my case, with only international phone numbers on the sim card, the incoming-call app does not match national numbers against the international way of writing the number... Jul 21 20:19:51 comparet to commercial, it is not very good. Some projects are more promising than others. I use navit in my car-pc Jul 21 20:20:32 that's why I'm thinking google maps might be nice Jul 21 20:20:40 just have to read off long / lat Jul 21 20:20:53 is it possible to just read off long / lat from device easily ? Jul 21 20:20:54 eartoast: did you use + or 00? Jul 21 20:21:08 Hydrant: yes, quite. Jul 21 20:21:13 I'm thinking to start using it when I go hiking Jul 21 20:21:19 ... rather than buying a GPS Jul 21 20:21:21 I have just made a really simple GPS frontend for the freerunner. Jul 21 20:21:37 Ko_deZ: + Jul 21 20:21:57 It reads pretty much all the info from the GPS, and shows it to you. Some bugs still, but you may try if you wish. Jul 21 20:22:15 how do I install? Jul 21 20:22:34 Oh, I tried to install a bunch of stuff on qtopia like tangogps... but it never showed up on any menus Jul 21 20:22:45 Add the server "http://kodez.homelinux.net/feed" to your server list in the package manager, and install gpsui. I advice you to stop and start the GPS at the beginning. Jul 21 20:22:50 I tried setting DISPLAY variable, and still wouldn't work when launched from cmd line Jul 21 20:22:56 k Jul 21 20:23:06 can I use that package manager to installl other things ? Jul 21 20:23:26 Probably, but I only know where I put my app =) Jul 21 20:23:31 k Jul 21 20:23:41 is there a UI front-end to configure wireless? Jul 21 20:23:54 on the openmoko wiki it says no, but I found a wireless config thing in qtopia Jul 21 20:23:57 just not sure if it works or not Jul 21 20:24:00 Hydrant: not really,. it is qtopia specific. those apps are for X11 as well Jul 21 20:24:04 I believe it is non functional now. I have no wireless, so I would not really know. Jul 21 20:24:30 Hydrant: yes that network config works, but wpa is broken so only WEP networks Jul 21 20:24:37 ljp: hrrm Jul 21 20:24:39 wpa is broken in openmoko system that is Jul 21 20:24:42 I guess I can change to WEP Jul 21 20:24:49 just needs a kernel update ? Jul 21 20:24:56 just block by mac Jul 21 20:24:57 as in wrong options in .config or something ? Jul 21 20:25:16 Hydrant: someone in openmoko needs to fix their wpa Jul 21 20:25:29 hrm.... maybe I should go yell at them Jul 21 20:25:48 I thought the kernel image came with qtopia? Jul 21 20:26:02 or is it a hardware / firmware issue ? Jul 21 20:26:08 Ko_deZ: so, the problem seems to be, that the gsm modem sees the incoming number as 0301234, while the contact info reads +49301234 Jul 21 20:27:12 eartoast: Right. It does not strip the leading 0. That could probably be done by qtopia somewhere I guess. Bug report? Jul 21 20:32:51 can I setup qtopia to use internet over the cell network ? Jul 21 20:33:00 Ko_deZ: i think stripping the leading zero is not enough; how could one find out the country code? Jul 21 20:33:13 I want to be able to check email and such with my phone Jul 21 20:35:05 eartoast: You can easily keep a list of all countries country-codes on the phone so they are easy to strip. Jul 21 20:36:28 I havent tested GPRS yet Jul 21 20:36:54 how do I set it up in theory? that WAP account thing ? Jul 21 20:37:52 Ko_deZ: i would have thought that there could be a way to tell the gsm modem to send 'normalized' numbers on incoming calls, i.e. including the country code ;) Jul 21 20:38:08 * Ko_deZ misses a proper wlan scanning tool. Just a frontend to the "wlist s" command. Jul 21 20:39:26 when I poke the screen with my finger, what information does qtopia give me? does the hardware just give the position, or is there more info than that? Jul 21 20:41:16 Hydrant: I think it is possible to get the pressure also. At least the x11 driver has some setting for sensitivity I believe. Jul 21 20:41:38 Can I get the region that was pressed? So the outline of the finger ? Jul 21 20:42:17 I think not Jul 21 20:42:39 crap Jul 21 20:42:47 It is a single touch screen, so you would probably just get a single point. Jul 21 20:43:15 but if you can measure pressure, you could emulate the outline =) Jul 21 20:43:28 hrrm Jul 21 20:43:32 perhaps Jul 21 21:22:12 Hmm... is power management on the qtopia freerunner image supposed to work when plugged in? (as in, should it dim the display as it says in settings) Jul 21 21:22:38 It works when it's not plugged in, but with the device plugged in, for some reason the display stays on at full brightness Jul 21 21:25:28 Just wondering :) Jul 21 22:06:42 anyone here want to paste all the extended ascii characters they have on their keyboard? Jul 21 22:07:09 ljp: I have all of latin1-supplemental Jul 21 22:10:10 Well... there's a slightly funny thing with the Danish keyboard, in that it has a lot of extra keys, allowing you to do constructs... '`"^~ are all accents :) Jul 21 22:10:41 (i believe Norwegian and Swedish has something similar) Jul 21 22:10:51 ljp: http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/reference/keyboards.mspx the evil force will help you ;) Jul 21 22:11:12 LOL Jul 21 22:11:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout <-- Or that one... :) Jul 21 22:12:18 leinir: yeah but that would be too good :) Jul 21 22:12:32 jott: Yeah, it's too accurate ;) Jul 21 22:14:59 But other than that, the actual extra Danish characters are: æøåÆØÅ Jul 21 22:18:22 cool, thanks Jul 21 22:20:06 Is kewl :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 21 22:24:26 2008 Jul 21 22:28:54 How'd you go about including a Danish dictionary? Can it handle simple word lists for example? :) Jul 21 22:39:30 you would need to do something like /opt/Qtopia/etc/dict/en_US common and words and have a Danish translation Jul 21 22:39:37 and switch to it Jul 21 22:40:19 ok, so it is fairly easy to add extended ascii to predictive keyboard. :) Jul 21 22:40:44 Nifty :) Jul 21 22:41:01 but I would like to make it configurable Jul 21 22:41:53 Hmm... qdwg is what? :) Jul 21 22:42:33 oh ya forgot that. and then run qdawg over those files Jul 21 22:43:21 :) Jul 21 22:43:26 *giggles* :) Jul 21 22:45:57 The QDawg class provides storage of words in a Directed Acyclic Word Graph Jul 21 22:46:20 hmm thats just the class Jul 21 22:46:38 qdawggen Jul 21 22:46:47 Mmm, optimized data structures ftw ;) Jul 21 22:51:06 ya, a dictionary :) Jul 21 22:51:53 Indeed :) Jul 21 23:26:28 hola Jul 21 23:31:31 http://qtopia.net/images/unicode-keys-snapshot.png Jul 22 00:20:13 ljp: where are à â ç é è ê ë î ï ô û ù ü ÿ Jul 22 00:22:07 woohoo, my cacti now polls in 30 seconds Jul 22 00:22:12 yay Jul 22 00:27:37 chouimat: bah! french needs too many! ;) Jul 22 00:27:42 hehe Jul 22 00:31:54 that was just an experiment. I want to add a less hardcoded way to add them Jul 22 00:37:25 ljp: xml config file? Jul 22 00:37:32 for each language? Jul 22 00:49:56 ya, something like that Jul 22 01:19:08 keep me posted on the 4.4 release :) Jul 22 01:20:24 how is qtopia going to take advantage of the power management stuff they are building with the FSO apis? Jul 22 01:23:24 qtopia does its own. Jul 22 01:23:41 whatever the system uses. Jul 22 01:23:52 i might grep the source to see what they are doing Jul 22 01:29:15 but FSO is all python crap Jul 22 01:40:53 night Jul 22 02:13:19 ljp: it sounds like they have actual powe management going on and people are reporting hours and hours of battery life Jul 22 02:13:48 some 21 hours if they just let the phone idle Jul 22 02:14:12 and I don't think python is crap :) Jul 22 02:14:41 if you're referring to the UI, well it is just a test UI Jul 22 02:25:42 chillywilly: using mwesters kernel qtopia does well Jul 22 02:27:39 I suppose but I didn't leave the phone off the charger all day either to see Jul 22 02:27:42 I'll try that tomorrow Jul 22 02:27:55 see what my battery looks like at the end of my work day Jul 22 02:28:27 I am adding scripts to turn ogg power to chips Jul 22 02:28:30 off, that is Jul 22 02:29:00 oh when I woke the phone up from suspend to call my wife and let her know I was on my way home the phone couldn't make an outbound call and I had to reboot it Jul 22 02:34:21 sounds like an openmoko kernel Jul 22 02:34:43 no, I flashed the kernel and rootfs from the qtopia tarball Jul 22 02:34:53 hmm Jul 22 02:36:58 the OM stacks do have a WIDE varierty of applications Jul 22 02:37:04 they just don't have a fully functional phone Jul 22 02:37:06 atm Jul 22 02:37:38 being able to run X apps is an advantage, IMHO Jul 22 02:39:44 i would rather be able to make calls and send txt on a phone Jul 22 02:40:39 yea well that will come in due time Jul 22 02:40:40 as well, those applications probably have varying integration issues, such as widget size, menu's, etc. Jul 22 02:40:55 what is broken with WPA? Jul 22 02:41:08 i dont know. the system is broken Jul 22 02:41:18 that's very vague Jul 22 02:41:22 all qtopia does is call wpa_supplicant Jul 22 02:41:46 i forget the actual error message Jul 22 02:42:03 and the neo with good wifi is on supports desk for a bit Jul 22 02:42:41 hmm? Jul 22 02:42:56 what does "is on supports desk for a bit" mean? Jul 22 02:47:22 it means the support guys need a neo :) Jul 22 02:50:20 they will fix up the wifi? Jul 22 02:50:22 ;P Jul 22 02:56:38 openmoko needs to **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 22 02:59:57 2008