**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 25 02:59:57 2008
Jul 25 06:37:32 <lpotter> it doesnt have too
Jul 25 06:37:38 <lpotter> run as root
Jul 25 06:37:57 <lpotter> you must have the devel rootfs
Jul 25 07:07:46 <lpotter> it has a unsecure patch to dropbear :)
Jul 25 07:43:19 <IXian-probe> hi, what's the address to the qtopia freerunner feed?
Jul 25 07:44:03 <IXian-probe> I've tried http://qtopia.net/packages/openmoko/freerunner and http://qtopia.net/packages/fic/freerunner
Jul 25 07:44:42 <lpotter> http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo
Jul 25 07:44:57 <lpotter> not much there
Jul 25 07:45:03 <lpotter> and not sure what works or not
Jul 25 07:45:11 <IXian-probe> np ^_^
Jul 25 07:45:15 <IXian-probe> wanted to try it out :)
Jul 25 07:45:18 <IXian-probe> thanks.
Jul 25 07:46:01 <lpotter> might have to upload a resolve.conf to the neo, as it doesnt seem to be getting set correctly
Jul 25 07:46:17 <IXian-probe> mhm
Jul 25 07:46:20 <IXian-probe> allready did ;)
Jul 25 07:46:25 <lpotter> ok good
Jul 25 07:46:54 <IXian-probe> of course, getting the wlan to work throug GUI didn't work. But I did manage to connect to my open wifi :)
Jul 25 07:47:26 <Sput> hmmmm, supposedly my freerunner arrives at the local distributor today \o/
Jul 25 07:47:30 <Sput> so I should get it next week
Jul 25 07:47:36 <IXian-probe> hmm..
Jul 25 07:47:58 <IXian-probe> Drat that Flemming sold both his "spares"...
Jul 25 07:48:08 <IXian-probe> or you would have gotten one last week.
Jul 25 07:48:20 <lpotter> yes, it seems wpa is broken on the openmoko system, so qtopia cant connect that way
Jul 25 07:48:35 <Sput> I've pre-ordered two weeks ago :)
Jul 25 07:48:43 <IXian-probe> The irony is that I still got one of those spares sitting on my shelf here in Oslo.. because the guy hasn't picked it up yet. ;)
Jul 25 07:49:13 <IXian-probe> hmm.. :/ <-- revised smiley
Jul 25 07:49:13 <Sput> I prefer getting it from a German distributor anyway, with two years of warranty and all that
Jul 25 07:49:30 <IXian-probe> yeah, that's a big advantage.
Jul 25 07:50:28 <IXian-probe> especially with the kind-of-broken-gps issue ^_^
Jul 25 07:50:35 <Sput> ok, they have updated their webpage saying that the next shipment is due aug 15th... we'll see if I got one slot in today's shipment then :)
Jul 25 08:08:38 <IXian-probe> qpe-scribble appears to work, qpe-simplefm appears to work, bartender appears to work, qpe-gottet: can't move blocks,can't exit program, qpe-terminal: No shell prompt, can't exit program, qalsamixer appears to work, pebble(vnc) appears to work
Jul 25 08:08:56 <IXian-probe> that ain't bad :)
Jul 25 08:19:47 <lpotter> there was already a terminal on the qtopia image
Jul 25 08:20:07 <lpotter> bartender doesnt find the drinks
Jul 25 08:20:57 <lpotter> term you can exit through two ways. typing exit and the menu
Jul 25 08:31:18 <IXian-probe> in qpe-terminal package exit doesn't work, nor does the menu. (I just wanted to test it)
Jul 25 08:32:20 <IXian-probe> no big deal anyhow :)
Jul 25 09:04:49 <cbmuser> lpotter: don't worry the battery cannot overcharge, there is some electronics inside the battery and/or the phone which prevents that
Jul 25 09:05:31 <cbmuser> thats required by safety standards, since any Li-Ion-battery bursts very easily when just minimally overcharged or charged with wrong voltage
Jul 25 09:05:52 <cbmuser> the battery-status-display of the Greenphone running 4.3.2 is just wrong
Jul 25 09:06:30 <cbmuser> it still displays a charging state though its actually finished
Jul 25 09:07:19 <cbmuser> and, if it was really possible to overcharge, my Greenphone would have been history since yesterday =)
Jul 25 09:42:47 <lpotter> cbmuser: we have lots of swollen batteries
Jul 25 09:48:48 <cbmuser> really ?!?
Jul 25 09:49:28 <cbmuser> lpotter: regarding the Greenphone or any of the OpenMoko ?
Jul 25 09:50:10 <cbmuser> if all the QTopia-Phones have such big problems with the batteries, then this should be tackled first
Jul 25 09:50:47 <cbmuser> this is regarding safety, those Li-Ion-batteries can explode since they can exhaust hydrogene-gas
Jul 25 09:51:15 <cbmuser> thats why *all* Li-Batteries are supposed to be controlled by some electronics
Jul 25 09:52:40 <lpotter> greenphones
Jul 25 09:52:58 <lpotter> it was fixed by a bootloader update
Jul 25 09:53:23 <cbmuser> aha, where can I get the update ?
Jul 25 09:53:43 <lpotter> do you have a windows box?
Jul 25 09:53:56 <cbmuser> jepp
Jul 25 09:54:08 <cbmuser> I mean, it's not mine :-)
Jul 25 09:54:30 <lpotter> access to a windows box, and a usb plug
Jul 25 09:54:52 <cbmuser> jepp
Jul 25 09:54:53 <lpotter> hmm. but th efile I think is on my windows box at work,
Jul 25 09:55:17 <lpotter> so unless i can find the correct one around, you would have to wait till Monday
Jul 25 09:55:29 <cbmuser> no problem, thank you
Jul 25 09:57:29 <lpotter> hang on. found it
Jul 25 09:57:50 <cbmuser> great
Jul 25 10:45:31 <cbmuser> lpotter: endless charging will be gone now ?
Jul 25 10:47:14 <lpotter> hopefully
Jul 25 10:48:10 <cbmuser> ok, thanks alot !
Jul 25 10:48:52 <cbmuser> you should make a sticky note in the greenphone-forum about that
Jul 25 10:48:56 <cbmuser> just to warn others
Jul 25 18:17:28 <Hydrant> how do I check my voicemail with qtopia ?
Jul 25 18:17:50 <lpotter> have to dial your voicemail number
Jul 25 18:18:10 <lpotter> currently voicemail notifications are broken
Jul 25 18:18:28 <lpotter> they seem to come in as a txt message with wonky characters
Jul 25 18:18:30 <Hydrant> k... I just got very unhelpful instructions from my cell provider
Jul 25 18:18:41 <lpotter> odd
Jul 25 18:18:49 <Hydrant> I've been thinking on ideas for a better keyboard
Jul 25 18:18:53 <lpotter> it is usually a number in the sim
Jul 25 18:19:07 <Hydrant> they said "hold down the 1 key"
Jul 25 18:19:14 <lpotter> heh
Jul 25 18:19:35 <lpotter> idiots. did you ask them for the number?
Jul 25 18:20:02 <lpotter> look at the numbers on the sim.
Jul 25 18:20:04 <Hydrant> I think I have it somewhere... I'll check, I wasn't sure if there was just a quick link in qtopia or not
Jul 25 18:20:21 <lpotter> hmm, but it may be a simapp, which qtopia currently doesnt support on the neo
Jul 25 18:21:08 <Hydrant> so here's my keyboard idea... I'm going to write an algorithm to get common patterns from a language (in a generic way, so non-english languages will work too)... this will give me probabilities of certain key combinations happening...
Jul 25 18:21:20 <Hydrant> I can make the most probable next keys a bit bigger, or maybe show them at the top
Jul 25 18:21:56 <Hydrant> or adjust the keyboard so that the boundaries of the key become a bit bigger for most probable next keys
Jul 25 18:22:08 <Hydrant> also, could get common patterns like "sn't"
Jul 25 18:22:30 <Hydrant> ... show those at the top... and do a dynamic algorithm so that when the user adds new words the thing changes
Jul 25 18:22:43 <Hydrant> does that make sense?
Jul 25 18:23:51 <Hydrant> I might not be conveying my idea very well
Jul 25 18:24:37 <lpotter> know about dasher?
Jul 25 18:24:55 <Hydrant> not by name
Jul 25 18:26:06 <lpotter> http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html
Jul 25 18:27:30 <Hydrant> I think that would drive me crazy
Jul 25 18:30:39 <lpotter> its ok
Jul 25 18:30:52 <lpotter> once you learn how to use it. its fun because it is different
Jul 25 18:31:45 <Hydrant> the simplest idea I had is to just to change the boundaries of keys... so that you can hit near the most probable key and it would be accepted... but hitting a non-probable key requires a dead-on hit
Jul 25 18:31:55 <Hydrant> annoying at first, but if it learns it should get good
Jul 25 18:32:04 <Hydrant> kinda like elastic key boundaries
Jul 25 18:32:25 <Hydrant> I love the keyboard on the iphone, and I want to make something that makes the keyboard on qtopia easy to use, despite the smaller space
Jul 25 18:32:28 <sitwon> Hydrant: what if two adjacent keys are equally probably but more probable than the surrounding keys?
Jul 25 18:32:46 <lpotter> the predictivekeyboard attempts to do that
Jul 25 18:33:44 <Hydrant> hrrm, in that case I guess the keys get divided in the middle
Jul 25 18:34:31 <sitwon> I actually like the idea of drawing the most probably keys slightly bigger and flowing the rest of the key around their altered size
Jul 25 18:34:53 <Hydrant> cool
Jul 25 18:35:05 <Hydrant> I don't want to change the layout of the keyboard, that would be confusign
Jul 25 18:35:06 <sitwon> of course, there should be an option to reset (or temporarily revert) to each key being equal size
Jul 25 18:35:10 <Hydrant> right
Jul 25 18:35:37 <sitwon> Hydrant: not change the layout, but if one key is big and a neighbor is small it should be pushed out of the way
Jul 25 18:35:39 <Hydrant> I think that auto-completion for letter fragments makes more sense
Jul 25 18:35:58 <Hydrant> sitwon: no, I was agreeing with you, just not expressing words right
Jul 25 18:36:24 <Hydrant> I have to do some analysis on the english language... and see how probable word combinations really are
Jul 25 18:36:30 <Hydrant> it might be that it wouldn't work
Jul 25 18:37:14 <sitwon> on the N770 the keyboard 'learns' what words you are more likely to type and offers word suggestions so you type the beggining until the word appears in the suggestion list and then select it from the list
Jul 25 18:37:29 <Hydrant> I have to find a source of english words
Jul 25 18:37:33 <Hydrant> the iphone does something like that too
Jul 25 18:37:37 <sitwon> I think it also guess which words are most likely to come next
Jul 25 18:37:41 <Hydrant> could look at probabilities of the user typing certain words
Jul 25 18:37:54 <Hydrant> I don't want a super complex algorithm, just something simple
Jul 25 18:38:11 <sitwon> N770's code should be public, I think
Jul 25 18:38:57 <Hydrant> mostly I want to do something neat too :-)
Jul 25 18:39:20 * chouimat|work wants a n800 image
Jul 25 18:39:59 <sitwon> IMHO, the text input on the FR would be easier if it could be done in landscape mode instead of portait mode
Jul 25 18:40:26 <Hydrant> I completely agree
Jul 25 18:40:48 <Hydrant> sitwon: would you be interested in working together to make a new keyboard ?
Jul 25 18:41:42 <sitwon> I'm not sure how much help I could be. I haven't written in C/C++ since the AP CompSci class I took in high school
Jul 25 18:42:15 <Hydrant> np
Jul 25 18:43:05 <sitwon> I keep meaning to get back into c/c++ but python and java are just so fast and convenient...
Jul 25 18:46:07 <Hydrant> fast for you
Jul 25 18:46:19 <Hydrant> python isn't so bad... except spelling mistakes will kill you
Jul 25 18:46:45 <sitwon> and whitespace when you develop on multiple platforms
Jul 25 18:47:32 <Hydrant> I like python for scripting where BASH isn't good enough... but for large projects not so much
Jul 25 18:47:41 <Hydrant> I love the control of C++..
Jul 25 18:48:06 <Hydrant> my issues with Java are the total lack of memory control... but I tend to enjoy the hardcore stuff, like supercomputing
Jul 25 18:50:18 <sitwon> I like Java because for the types of desktop and network applications I've written in the past year it's been faster and easier to write and test than C++ (in my limited experience)
Jul 25 18:50:52 <sitwon> also having conistent documentation accross varying libraries makes things simpler
Jul 25 18:51:24 <lpotter> i prefer Qt. :)
Jul 25 18:51:45 <lpotter> its fast and convient
Jul 25 18:51:52 <lpotter> its fast and convenient
Jul 25 18:52:15 <sitwon> With Java I hacked together Google Translate API + Apache POI + iText in about 10 hours and had a working app. Took another day to polish up a GUI. 
Jul 25 18:52:17 <Hydrant> lpotter: do you know of qt concurrent ?
Jul 25 18:53:47 <sitwon> with the touch screen on the FR you only get an X,Y position, correct?
Jul 25 18:54:58 <RXShorty> Hello all :D
Jul 25 18:55:22 <RXShorty> How are things here?
Jul 25 18:55:25 <lpotter> i do now
Jul 25 18:55:38 <lpotter> sitwon: and pressure
Jul 25 18:55:59 <lpotter> but thats usually 0 or 1
Jul 25 18:56:22 <lpotter> or not :)
Jul 25 18:56:31 <sitwon> 0 being not held and 1 being held down?
Jul 25 18:57:21 <lpotter> 1 would be down
Jul 25 18:57:27 <lpotter> depends on the driver though
Jul 25 18:57:43 <lpotter> not sure what openmoko does. it might be 0 up, 500 down
Jul 25 18:58:08 <sitwon> lpotter: is the screen capable of detecting multiple pressure levels?
Jul 25 18:58:24 <sitwon> does it know how hard you press?
Jul 25 18:58:44 <lpotter> you can usually have a threshold level in the driver/plugin
Jul 25 18:59:11 <lpotter> dont know if the screen device/driver can do differening levels
Jul 25 19:11:22 <jakobsg> I have installed qtopia on my new Neo Freeruner (openmoko) - are there any aditional applications, like sketch, filemanager, webbrowser, wifi settings etc.
Jul 25 19:11:43 <jakobsg> And where do I find them?
Jul 25 19:11:48 <lpotter> http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo
Jul 25 19:12:27 <jakobsg> hey - that was quick :-)
Jul 25 19:12:51 <lpotter> :)
Jul 25 19:13:09 <lpotter> webbrowser will be in 4.4
Jul 25 19:13:21 <lpotter> there are already wifi settings in qtopia
Jul 25 19:13:42 <sitwon> any guess when 4.4 will arrive?
Jul 25 19:13:54 <lpotter> a few weeks
Jul 25 19:14:48 <jakobsg> where are the wifi setting
Jul 25 19:15:30 <lpotter> settings -> internet
Jul 25 19:15:44 <jakobsg> thx
Jul 25 19:16:01 <lpotter> opiotns -> new -> wireless lan
Jul 25 19:16:04 <lpotter> options
Jul 25 19:16:22 <jakobsg> ok - I'll have a look - maybe turn back
Jul 25 19:33:27 <RXShorty> lpotter: question. I still haven't heard anything. Is it busy or am I just a not so patient guy, asked it last tuesday.
Jul 25 19:34:02 <jakobsg> lpotter: is wi-fi turned off by default on the openmoko when booting with the qtopia rootfs?
Jul 25 19:34:14 <lpotter> RXShorty: what question os that?
Jul 25 19:34:20 <RXShorty> about the translation thing... they said the send a pdf file or something with some details etc.
Jul 25 19:34:22 <lpotter> jakobsg: yes
Jul 25 19:34:35 <jakobsg> how do I turn it on?
Jul 25 19:34:47 <RXShorty> it is auto on if you set a wifi connection
Jul 25 19:34:53 <RXShorty> and double tap it in the internet menu
Jul 25 19:36:11 <lpotter> RXShorty: details about you?
Jul 25 19:37:18 <RXShorty> Send it to you :)
Jul 25 19:37:22 <jakobsg> I have created a Wireless LAN . It has status offline
Jul 25 19:37:42 <RXShorty> ok
Jul 25 19:37:45 <RXShorty> if you double tap it
Jul 25 19:37:49 <RXShorty> it tries to connect
Jul 25 19:38:01 <RXShorty> but notice it does only supports WEP security
Jul 25 19:38:07 <RXShorty> WPA isn't working correctly yet.
Jul 25 19:38:43 <jakobsg> Connect to what?
Jul 25 19:38:59 <RXShorty> which image did you use?
Jul 25 19:39:02 <RXShorty> latest?
Jul 25 19:39:09 <jakobsg> I can't detect any networks when the hardware is turned off :-(
Jul 25 19:39:15 <jakobsg> Yes it is the latest
Jul 25 19:39:24 <RXShorty> it doesn't have to detect... you can set SIDD 
Jul 25 19:39:27 <RXShorty> by yourself
Jul 25 19:39:41 <RXShorty> and the security also has it's own menu
Jul 25 19:40:12 <RXShorty> You have to set everything manually
Jul 25 19:40:27 <RXShorty> if that done... in the main menu of the internet options double tap the wifi profile
Jul 25 19:40:32 <RXShorty> and it tries to connect.
Jul 25 19:40:59 <jakobsg> OK, the WLAN detection function doesn't function , or .. ?
Jul 25 19:41:13 <RXShorty> No not yet
Jul 25 19:41:18 <lpotter> havent hooked it up yet
Jul 25 19:41:19 <jakobsg> ok
Jul 25 19:41:20 <RXShorty> I also tried, but it doesn't work
Jul 25 19:43:28 <jakobsg> Very cool guys :-D
Jul 25 19:43:36 <jakobsg> It just jumped online
Jul 25 19:43:41 <RXShorty> Sweet isn't it?
Jul 25 19:44:19 <RXShorty> now you should be able to download programs 
Jul 25 19:44:20 <jakobsg> yeah - the openmoko UI sucks so much - I really love qtopia already!
Jul 25 19:44:24 <RXShorty> with the package manager
Jul 25 19:44:40 <RXShorty> here is a server adress: Http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/ (not everything works perfectly) 
Jul 25 19:44:57 <RXShorty> And I must admit, what I am telling you right now I all got from lpotter :)
Jul 25 19:45:08 <lpotter> read the topic :)
Jul 25 19:45:28 <RXShorty> jakobsg: Yeah... openmoko has a looooong way to go. Qtopia is a far better choice at the moment
Jul 25 19:45:47 <RXShorty> Ahhhh lpotter I see... wrong adress :P
Jul 25 19:45:58 <RXShorty> Sorry overlooked: http://qtopia.net/packages/feed/4.3.2/neo
Jul 25 19:46:14 <lpotter> :)
Jul 25 19:46:21 <lpotter> the old one still works for now
Jul 25 19:46:30 <jakobsg> I could already download packages via usb connection
Jul 25 19:46:37 <RXShorty> ahh nice :)
Jul 25 19:46:46 <jakobsg> But it's much more cool to do it from the sofa :-)
Jul 25 19:47:03 <RXShorty> indeed it is jakobsg :)
Jul 25 19:47:21 <jakobsg> Next I will be wanting to build applications
Jul 25 19:47:51 <RXShorty> That would be sweet! There is not that much to use at the moment ;)
Jul 25 19:48:17 <jakobsg> I hate platform dependancies - so I would like to use python - are there bindings for qtopia ?
Jul 25 19:48:46 <RXShorty> Yeah I though there are something, sorry can't tell you more about it. Digg out www.qtopia.net
Jul 25 19:49:16 <jakobsg> how about you lpotter, you know anything?
Jul 25 19:50:13 <lpotter> not that I have heard of
Jul 25 19:51:41 <jakobsg> just one more question by the way - I'm danish, so naturely I would like to use a danish dictionary when typing SMS's where can I read about this?
Jul 25 19:52:55 <lpotter> the dictionaries are just words lists which get run processed by qdawgen
Jul 25 19:54:04 <RXShorty> hmm
Jul 25 19:54:10 <RXShorty> maybe I should translate it also...
Jul 25 19:54:17 <RXShorty> Now... let's find out where to start :P
Jul 25 19:54:21 <jakobsg> Is there a howto on installning these word-lists - it's the last thing I meed
Jul 25 19:56:14 <lpotter> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/qdawggen.html
Jul 25 19:56:17 <RXShorty> Not that I know. Maybe Lpotter... If so I think I am going to start also :)
Jul 25 19:56:22 <RXShorty> Many many thanks
Jul 25 19:56:26 <RXShorty> Again.
Jul 25 19:56:27 <lpotter> hnnn not the right link
Jul 25 19:56:31 <RXShorty> ahh
Jul 25 19:56:53 <lpotter> actually yes thats it
Jul 25 19:57:05 <lpotter> you would have to build qtopia to get that
Jul 25 19:57:21 <lpotter> unless I put a binary somewhere :)
Jul 25 19:57:42 <RXShorty> If you have time some day, please :)
Jul 25 19:58:06 <jakobsg> lpotter, RXShorty: thanks a lot - I can finally use my openmoko as a phone now :-D
Jul 25 19:58:36 <lpotter> hmm its not static link
Jul 25 19:58:37 <RXShorty> No problem, we are all willing to enjoy our freerunners :)
Jul 25 19:59:01 <lpotter> jakobsg: no worries. :)
Jul 25 19:59:43 <RXShorty> lpotter Can you use more then one dictonairy? or you can only have 1?
Jul 25 19:59:53 <RXShorty> So is there a switch option in Qtopia?
Jul 25 20:01:03 <lpotter> whoops I changed the #openmoko topic as well :)
Jul 25 20:01:19 <lpotter> the switch is changing languages
Jul 25 20:01:30 <RXShorty> ahh.. ok
Jul 25 20:36:39 <RXShorty> Hello zandini_
Jul 25 20:50:41 <RXShorty> Hello tsdogs
Jul 25 20:51:46 <tsdogs> hi
Jul 25 20:52:31 <RXShorty> :)
Jul 25 21:17:52 <RXShorty> Hello
Jul 25 21:17:57 <RXShorty> Question.
Jul 25 21:18:14 <RXShorty> How to connect to the internet with the usb cable attached to laptop with internet?
Jul 25 21:25:12 <sitwon> Answer: read the wiki
Jul 25 21:25:45 <sitwon> I'm pretty sure it would be the same as w/  2007.2
Jul 25 21:27:21 <RXShorty> ok
Jul 25 21:27:23 <RXShorty> going to try
Jul 25 21:27:24 <RXShorty> thanks
Jul 25 21:27:38 <sitwon> yep, just tried it and it works fine
Jul 25 21:28:23 <RXShorty> Ah ok
Jul 25 21:28:25 <RXShorty> going to try
Jul 25 21:29:41 <RXShorty> hmm need to edit /etc/network/interfaces...
Jul 25 21:31:20 <sitwon> why?
Jul 25 21:31:39 <sitwon> wasn't necessary for me
Jul 25 21:32:16 <RXShorty> this
Jul 25 21:32:17 <RXShorty> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Ubuntu_.28Tested_with_Feisty.2C_Gutsy_and_Hardy.29
Jul 25 21:32:22 <RXShorty> sais in ubuntu do the following
Jul 25 21:33:21 <RXShorty> or are you using automated mode?
Jul 25 21:33:25 <sitwon> oh... right well do what it says
Jul 25 21:33:35 <sitwon> I'm using Slackware
Jul 25 21:36:04 <RXShorty> ah ok
Jul 25 21:58:27 <RXShorty> . /msg nickserv register RXShorty daniella
Jul 25 21:58:39 <RXShorty> nickserv
Jul 25 21:58:42 <RXShorty> hmm
Jul 25 21:58:47 <RXShorty> can't register your nick here?
Jul 25 22:03:04 <lpotter> you had a . in front
Jul 25 22:03:11 <RXShorty> I saw it indeed
Jul 25 22:03:17 <RXShorty> seems to work now
Jul 25 22:03:18 <RXShorty> thanks
Jul 25 22:03:18 <lpotter> hehehe
Jul 25 22:03:39 <RXShorty> Still awake? :P
Jul 25 22:04:01 <RXShorty> lpotter... I am still strugling with the wifi... it sais connected but it can't connect the server.
Jul 25 22:04:14 <RXShorty> there is no terminal installed by default
Jul 25 22:04:16 <RXShorty> ?
Jul 25 22:04:24 <lpotter> ya. something is broken in the dhcp stuff I think
Jul 25 22:04:29 <lpotter> there should be
Jul 25 22:04:38 <lpotter> a term
Jul 25 22:04:52 <RXShorty> yeah but where to find it on the phone?
Jul 25 22:05:01 <lpotter> applications 
Jul 25 22:05:02 <RXShorty> and the dhcp is that fixable?
Jul 25 22:05:09 <lpotter> well, it used to work :)
Jul 25 22:05:22 <RXShorty> found it thank
Jul 25 22:05:27 <RXShorty> oh dear... used to... :P
Jul 25 22:06:41 <RXShorty> so that is why the bluetooth connection also doesn't work?
Jul 25 22:06:48 <RXShorty> I mean the internet that is
Jul 25 22:53:03 <RXShorty> lpotter did you also changed something at the media player? Cause somehow it seems to run better than the previous image. Thanks!
Jul 25 22:53:25 <lpotter> I personally? no. but everything has beenworked on, of course
Jul 25 22:53:40 <RXShorty> ahh sweet
Jul 25 22:53:46 <RXShorty> it is really a improvement
Jul 25 22:54:28 <RXShorty> I reflashed my freerunner because my setup wireless connection couldn't be deleted
Jul 25 22:54:38 <RXShorty> somehow it hanged if I did that
Jul 25 22:57:11 <leinir> lpotter: Any idea when the next image will be released? :)
Jul 25 22:57:28 <leinir> (just wondering if i should flash tomorrow or wether i should wait ;) )
Jul 25 23:02:26 <RXShorty> lplotter: you are right about the DHCP, it doesn't gets a good ip... it should be in the range 192.168.1.* But it is in the 192.168.0.* range
Jul 25 23:02:31 <RXShorty> subnet is good
Jul 25 23:24:00 <chillywilly> hola
Jul 25 23:24:18 <RXShorty> hi
Jul 26 00:21:28 <lpotter> leinirAWAY: not real sure
Jul 26 00:22:03 <RXShorty> Goodnight all...
Jul 26 00:59:01 <chillywilly> lpotter: it would be nice if I could run an FreeNX client on qtopia as that performs a lot better than even VNC, IMHO
Jul 26 00:59:36 <chillywilly> there's kNX for KDE...I wonder how difficult it would be to port it
Jul 26 01:00:30 <chillywilly> http://qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=13&topic_id=438
Jul 26 01:02:14 <chillywilly> lpotter: Do you think this could be packaged -> http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=52 ?
Jul 26 01:03:33 <chillywilly> that would be sweet as then it would perform a lot better of the GPRS connection as well
Jul 26 01:04:33 <chillywilly> s/of/over a/
Jul 26 01:06:06 <chillywilly> I wonder what license that client has
Jul 26 01:06:54 <chillywilly> I don't see source for it anywhere
Jul 26 01:26:48 <lpotter> that nxclient is an old one for zaurus which ran qtopia 1
Jul 26 01:28:24 <chillywilly> can it be ported?
Jul 26 01:28:29 <chillywilly> I am looking for the source....
Jul 26 01:28:42 <chillywilly> NX is much superior to VNC from my experiences
Jul 26 01:28:43 <lpotter> ther eis qtnx :)
Jul 26 01:28:51 <chillywilly> cool
Jul 26 01:28:59 <chillywilly> can you package that?
Jul 26 01:29:01 <lpotter> I will ask George about that
Jul 26 01:29:06 <chillywilly> awsome
Jul 26 01:29:07 <lpotter> probably needs some work
Jul 26 01:30:29 <chillywilly> if I can get to my desktop form anywhere that would be a flippin utopia
Jul 26 01:30:36 <chillywilly> from*
Jul 26 01:32:52 <lpotter> hmm it looks like it depends on X11
Jul 26 01:38:38 <chillywilly> well doesn't QT also depend on X?
Jul 26 01:38:49 <lpotter> no 
Jul 26 01:38:58 <lpotter> Qt is cross platform. :)
Jul 26 01:39:08 <lpotter> there is Qt-x11 though
Jul 26 01:40:04 <chillywilly> interesting
Jul 26 01:41:30 <chillywilly> the packages in the ubuntu repo seemed to linked against X
Jul 26 01:41:56 <chillywilly> so you're saying there's some freenx-specific stuff that requires X?
Jul 26 01:42:01 <chillywilly> and there's no way around that?
Jul 26 01:46:20 <chillywilly> ah yea it's all about X
Jul 26 01:46:25 <chillywilly> http://www.nomachine.com/documents/getting-started.php
Jul 26 01:49:08 <chillywilly> bah..
Jul 26 01:52:24 <chillywilly> just another reason you guys should get some sort of X11 app support on qtopia...so many good X-based applications ;P
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