**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 10 02:59:57 2008
Aug 10 09:33:04 <Ko_deZ> lpotter: I have gotten it to work with norwegian wordlist by exchanging the ones in the en_US folder. My problem is that I send quite a few english messages also, and aside from being unpractical, with the latest software revision, the handwriting tool is gone. This makes it impossible to write norwegian letters like æøå (which I could do with the handwriting tool. I would like to get it back if possible). Also, going to the settings menu
Aug 10 09:33:04 <Ko_deZ> and then languages for changing writing language is a bit bothersome, but it is better than not being able to change language at all. I would btw prefer to have a "change writing language" in the message and text edit apps options, so that one could change it on the fly.
Aug 10 09:34:36 <ConfidentiaL> is there qtopia desktop for ubuntu? I can't find it here ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/desktop/ ...
Aug 10 09:59:27 <ConfidentiaL> okey, easier question: where do I put files so that they show up in my media player?
Aug 10 10:26:01 <lpotter> Ko_deZ: ok. will put it back in
Aug 10 10:27:06 <Ko_deZ> lpotter: Thanks =)
Aug 10 11:02:34 <RXShorty> Hi all 
Aug 10 11:02:59 <RXShorty> Openmoko has a new stable release 2008.8 anybody tried it yet?
Aug 10 11:59:08 <effbiai> is it gps support on the qtopia freerunner image?
Aug 10 12:00:10 <RXShorty> hey effbiai
Aug 10 12:00:15 <effbiai> hi
Aug 10 12:00:18 <RXShorty> You can enable GPS yes
Aug 10 12:00:25 <effbiai> does it use gpsd?
Aug 10 12:00:38 <RXShorty> But there are no tools available for it yet
Aug 10 12:00:52 <effbiai> that's no problem =)
Aug 10 12:01:00 <effbiai> do you know if it uses gpsd?
Aug 10 12:01:14 <RXShorty> No can't tell you  that, you should ask lpotter here
Aug 10 12:01:45 <effbiai> talked a little with him earlier. i'll try to get some info from him =)
Aug 10 12:02:39 <RXShorty> Sorry can't help ya
Aug 10 12:02:53 <RXShorty> I am just a simple Qtopia user
Aug 10 12:05:52 <Ko_deZ> You could use my crude tool. Uses gpsd though. Add http://kodez.homelinux.net/feed  to the package manager. gpsui will allow you to see your position and such (just the raw data from gpsd in a more sensible way). Will add logging to it eventually, but my spare time is very limited at the moment.
Aug 10 12:06:19 <Ko_deZ> oh, and you need gpsd running for it to work.
Aug 10 12:08:05 <Ko_deZ> there is a bug as well. To turn on the gps, you need to turn it off, then on in the start.
Aug 10 12:12:20 <effbiai> roger and thank you for the info.
Aug 10 12:14:47 <effbiai> do you know if there's a precompiled gpsd witch works with qtopia Ko_deZ?
Aug 10 12:52:43 <Ko_deZ> effbiai: yeah.
Aug 10 12:52:58 <Ko_deZ> ssh to the phone, and run the command "opkg install gpsd"
Aug 10 12:53:08 <Ko_deZ> maybe first "opkg upgrade"
Aug 10 12:53:41 <Ko_deZ> The phone needs to be able to access the web for that to work. There is a good usb network guide in the openmoko wiki.
Aug 10 13:44:24 <effbiai> thank you alot Ko_deZ 
Aug 10 13:44:49 <Ko_deZ> np
Aug 10 16:11:19 <yoh> uff - that Answer issue is really annoying ... is it better in upcoming 4.4? 
Aug 10 19:47:24 <yoh> lpotter, I wonder -- those images you release -- are they based on git://git.openmoko.org/git/qtopia.git ? which branch -- master?
Aug 10 19:47:43 <yoh> lpotter_, ah -- you are _ed now ;-)
Aug 10 19:47:44 <lpotter_> they are bsaed on our depot.
Aug 10 19:48:11 <yoh> is there any 'interaction' between git at openmoko and your depot?
Aug 10 19:50:41 <yoh> would it be 'evil' to re-introduce a branch to keep those original snapshots of qtopia? (I see hanging tags for qtopia up to 4.3.1)
Aug 10 19:50:50 <lpotter_> openmoko? dont know 
Aug 10 19:51:10 <yoh> I meant your qtopia.git on git.openmoko.org
Aug 10 19:51:34 <lpotter> i dont have anything to do with that
Aug 10 19:52:21 <yoh> I am blind... sorry
Aug 10 19:52:35 <yoh> I thought that you are the 'master' of that git... sorry 
Aug 10 19:54:46 <yoh> lpotter, just 1 more buzz -- so is there anything you could do about 'slow Answer' issue? or is it fixed in 4.4?
Aug 10 19:55:35 <lpotter> could look into that issue, as no one here seems intersted
Aug 10 19:55:40 <lpotter> interested
Aug 10 19:55:55 <yoh> that would be terriffic! I would owe you a beer ;-)
Aug 10 19:56:39 <yoh> today it was hurting me bad -- none good answered call -- always it was timing out prior 'reaction' to my click on the button
Aug 10 21:23:35 <confidential> how can I change the theme on my FR from ssh?
Aug 10 21:23:56 <confidential> the pin number dialog is kinda bugged on the "smart" theme...
Aug 10 21:33:02 <lpotter> edit /home/root/Settings/.Trolltech/qpe.conf
Aug 10 21:33:56 <lpotter> change Theme to finxi.conf
Aug 10 21:42:54 <confidential> yeh, thanks. I figured it out though. First time I did just that and then restarted the phone, but it just started with the old theme. had to kill qpe ust after I edited it to get it to work...
Aug 10 22:00:06 <crweb> any ideas why this code would say 0 items selected even though I have 15 rows in a QListView selected?
Aug 10 22:00:07 <crweb> http://pastebin.com/m35db4718
Aug 10 22:00:48 <crweb> I pulled the code right out of QFileDialog and modified it to point to my listview
Aug 10 22:04:41 <crweb> if i listView->selectAll() it works and reports all 20 items..
Aug 10 22:05:00 <crweb> so something between the mouse and the selection on the view isn't working
Aug 10 22:27:22 <RXShorty> lpotter: question if I open the package manager it hangs on Simple ipkg installer. Sais please wait for about 10 minutes now...
Aug 10 22:27:44 <RXShorty> And if I press Done it doesn't react
Aug 10 22:50:27 <RXShorty> I will try it later :P Going off guys! Have a nice day!
Aug 10 22:50:29 <RXShorty> Ciao
Aug 11 01:28:43 * emacsen punches the screen
Aug 11 01:41:53 <emacsen> I hope qtopia 4.4 has a better dialer
Aug 11 01:59:03 <chillywilly> you have to be patient ;P
Aug 11 01:59:11 <chillywilly> it's a little slow to respond
Aug 11 01:59:22 <chillywilly> the whole UI is actually...
Aug 11 02:00:06 <chillywilly> sometimes I have to recalibrate using a stylus
Aug 11 02:00:41 <emacsen> it's not just the speed
Aug 11 02:00:54 <emacsen> it's the keypad sometimes goes away when you connect
Aug 11 02:01:16 <chillywilly> you press the show keypad button
Aug 11 02:01:27 <chillywilly> then you press hide keypad to make it go away
Aug 11 02:01:27 <emacsen> where is that button?
Aug 11 02:01:41 <chillywilly> but year sometimes I have to hit a button 3 times before the damn thing responds :)
Aug 11 02:01:44 <chillywilly> yea*
Aug 11 02:01:50 <chillywilly> um
Aug 11 02:02:32 <chillywilly> well the keypad that shows up after you make a call or what not
Aug 11 02:02:44 <emacsen> is half the pad
Aug 11 02:02:51 <chillywilly> hmmm?
Aug 11 02:03:07 <emacsen> when I call, I get a half a keypad
Aug 11 02:03:18 <chillywilly> man this 800mg ibuprofen is a horse pill
Aug 11 02:03:20 <emacsen> if I back up and go into the dialer again, I see the whole pad
Aug 11 02:03:26 <yoh> emacsen, I confirm that I was getting half-keypad as well
Aug 11 02:03:45 <chillywilly> things are still a bit buggy
Aug 11 02:03:47 <yoh> on other occasions although I was getting full keypad it wasn't 'interactive' -- ie didn't react to any of my clicks
Aug 11 02:03:50 <chillywilly> file a bug :)
Aug 11 02:04:01 <yoh> I am just waiting for 4.4
Aug 11 02:04:04 <emacsen> that's fine except when your new ATM card comes and you have to type in the ATM  number
Aug 11 02:04:12 <chillywilly> yoh: that's usually when you have to hit the thing 3 flippin times ;)
Aug 11 02:04:17 <chillywilly> annoying...
Aug 11 02:04:18 <yoh> I did file 1 bug and it mysteriosely disappeared -- can't locate it within BTS
Aug 11 02:04:27 <chillywilly> well that sucks
Aug 11 02:04:32 <yoh> and I hate web bug reports enough to don't try 2nd time to file it
Aug 11 02:04:42 <chillywilly> I still have a running bitch list that I need to start converting into bug reports
Aug 11 02:05:14 <yoh> well -- if only there was a sane interface to file them... heh heh
Aug 11 02:05:40 <yoh> another problem that before you file it you need to check if it is not there yet reported by someone else
Aug 11 02:05:55 <chillywilly> at least the SMS maps groups multi-part messages properly and doesn't loose parts of a message like any of the other openmoko SMS apps
Aug 11 02:06:08 <yoh> and since there seems to be no fine modular separation among the bug reports -- it is somewhat difficult
Aug 11 02:06:10 <chillywilly> and I can make calls and the battery isn't dead ina  few hours
Aug 11 02:06:15 <chillywilly> make and receive
Aug 11 02:06:22 <chillywilly> there are some pluses
Aug 11 02:06:29 <yoh> SURE
Aug 11 02:06:41 <yoh> I use qtopia since it is the only usable distro for FR at the moment
Aug 11 02:06:52 <chillywilly> yep
Aug 11 02:07:01 <chillywilly> I also actually like c++
Aug 11 02:07:05 <chillywilly> ;P
Aug 11 02:07:14 <yoh> it is sad to don't have the candies (GPS etc) but at least I can call (sometimes) ;-)
Aug 11 02:07:43 <chillywilly> I'm not holding my breathe for ASU to be released ;)
Aug 11 02:08:33 <chillywilly> oh, there's an "official" release now...yea I've been keeping upo
Aug 11 02:08:38 <chillywilly> 2008.8
Aug 11 02:09:02 <chillywilly> anyone try it?
Aug 11 02:10:03 <yoh> grr... building rootfs now using mokomakefile... someone from that team is my 'favorite' one -- I use BSD accounting and with their silly pipes I bet my logs are filling up very quickly... grrr 
Aug 11 02:10:24 <yoh> chillywilly, better stay away from 2008.8 for a while ;-)
Aug 11 02:10:44 <chillywilly> why's that?
Aug 11 02:11:00 <chillywilly> you can always reinstall qtopia and copy your backed up database back onto the phone :)
Aug 11 02:11:04 <yoh> you will get a candy which will melt in your hands, make you suite dirty and you will become sticky ;-)
Aug 11 02:11:14 <chillywilly> or not
Aug 11 02:11:25 <chillywilly> big boys know how to eat candies
Aug 11 02:11:28 <yoh> sure.. I am lazy to don't create multi-boot... need to do some time... just check mailing lists for 'opinions' and bugs
Aug 11 02:11:49 <chillywilly> I don't have a multi-boot setup either but it's not like I can't go back to qtopia if I want to
Aug 11 02:11:52 <chillywilly> brb
Aug 11 02:12:32 <yoh> I will be off in a minute... sure -- I am just lazy to backup my setup to unroll it back whenever I come back to qtopia ;-)
Aug 11 02:14:59 <yoh> uff -- just need to spare time to setup multiboot and create 1 partition on SD per each distro to try (ASU, 2008.2, FSO, qtopia-x11, 2007.2)
Aug 11 02:15:31 <yoh> though ASU == 2008.2 at the moment so it eliminates 1 choice ;) but there is also.... DEBIAN!!!!
Aug 11 02:18:49 <chillywilly> sure...I need an 8GB microSD card...
Aug 11 02:18:54 <chillywilly> ;P
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