**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 13 02:59:57 2008
Aug 13 09:13:19 <leinir> Hmm... Anyone know something about the loss of data on sd cards?
Aug 13 09:13:37 <leinir> as in, cards that suddenly at least seem to contain nothing
Aug 13 09:20:14 <lpotter> known bug in newer versions of  openmoko
Aug 13 09:20:40 <leinir> Yeah, i was just kinda pondering if there was any news on it :)
Aug 13 09:20:46 <leinir> Or if it's still borken ;)
Aug 13 09:21:00 <lpotter> havent heard of anything
Aug 13 09:21:19 <leinir> right :)
Aug 13 09:50:00 <mbuf> is there any way we can pass an argument to ./configure in qtopia-core-opensource-src-4.3.1 to accept the license, without it prompting for one?
Aug 13 11:56:44 <emacsen> ljp, I love you man, but seriously, this platform sucks donkey
Aug 13 11:57:25 <leinir> unconstructive criticism --
Aug 13 11:57:25 <leinir> ;)
Aug 13 11:57:59 <emacsen> leinir, okay... more constructive:
Aug 13 11:58:43 <emacsen> The dialer has issues... I can't use wifi at all. I can't get it to play mp3s... the speaker phone makes a high pitched whine instead of outputting audio. Bluetooth devices don't work
Aug 13 11:58:53 <emacsen> gps MAY work but I can't test it
Aug 13 11:59:32 <emacsen> and the onscreen keyboard makes me angry
Aug 13 12:00:03 <emacsen> leinir, better?
Aug 13 12:00:44 <leinir> Better, but not really good... What issues does the dialer have, and how does the keyboard make you angry?
Aug 13 12:01:17 <emacsen> the dialer, first is slow. You get a call and I've hung up on several people because I click "answer" and then wait and then click "answer" again
Aug 13 12:01:20 <leinir> the wifi and gps stuff is known and will be far better in 4.4, and the media playback is getting ripped out and replaced :)
Aug 13 12:01:28 <emacsen> and when I'm on a call, I can't reliably get it to bring up the keypad
Aug 13 12:02:24 <emacsen> the keyboard is generally harder to use than it should be. It was missing punctuation keys on the main one, and then the "keyboard" one is too small
Aug 13 12:02:41 <emacsen> making it worse is that orientation isn't working, so your width is the smallest width the phone can do
Aug 13 12:02:49 <leinir> The keyboard is getting work for 4.4 as well :)
Aug 13 12:03:36 <emacsen> leinir, mainly I'm mad because I broke my mp3 player and am looking for a new one. Then I look over at my phone and go "That thing is one of the most sophisticated pieces of electronics available today, and it can't play mp3s"
Aug 13 12:04:06 <leinir> Well, it plays mp3 files fine on mine... except that it's forgotten everything about what's on my micro-sd ;)
Aug 13 12:04:17 <leinir> It's all known and being worked on, though :)
Aug 13 12:04:22 <emacsen> sure
Aug 13 12:04:24 <emacsen> I understand
Aug 13 12:04:27 <emacsen> it's just in the meantime
Aug 13 12:04:55 <emacsen> I tried Zhone last night (it's still on the phone actually). Amazing what a little python app can do for friendlyness
Aug 13 12:04:57 <leinir> The one with the answer button is really funky, though - there's several ways of fixing it, but none really entirely optimal...
Aug 13 12:05:12 <emacsen> the first non-qtopia app that doesn't completely look like ass
Aug 13 12:05:31 <emacsen> leinir, a simple one would be "keep the button depressed on the interface until you're done"
Aug 13 12:05:50 <emacsen> at least that way the user has feedback the operation is in progress and doesn't think "it didn't take, I'll press again"
Aug 13 12:06:11 <emacsen> I've hung up on several people :)
Aug 13 12:07:12 <leinir> Yeah, i've only done it once but it *is* a bit odd :)
Aug 13 12:08:09 <emacsen> another simple solution
Aug 13 12:08:21 <emacsen> Don't place the "Hang up" button right where "Answer" was
Aug 13 12:09:02 <emacsen> I'm not talking fixes, I'm talking simple workarounds to prevent a usability bug
Aug 13 12:16:03 <emacsen> leinir, every time I see your name, I think of Lennier from Babylon 5
Aug 13 12:18:08 <leinir> People think that's where i got it from :P
Aug 13 12:18:12 <leinir> only it's not ;)
Aug 13 12:18:48 <chouimat> hehe
Aug 13 12:20:14 <emacsen> so what's the timeframe on 4.4?
Aug 13 12:20:49 <chouimat> I heard before the end of the year or q3 
Aug 13 12:21:19 <leinir> The last i heard was a few weeks :)
Aug 13 12:21:55 <chouimat> leinir: the end of the year is in a few weeks ;)
Aug 13 12:22:03 <leinir> *giggles* True :)
Aug 13 19:04:32 <lpotter> hmm
Aug 13 19:05:02 <RXShorty> Hello lpotter  :)
Aug 13 19:05:08 <lpotter> hi
Aug 13 19:06:00 <RXShorty> Is there any progress in the cracking sounds while calling?
Aug 13 19:06:27 <lpotter> not sure, that would be an openmoko thing, though
Aug 13 19:07:00 <RXShorty> Thought so...
Aug 13 19:07:23 <RXShorty> It is pretty annoying, ah well just use sms then :P
Aug 13 19:07:59 <pusling> lpotter: so.. I_got this n810 sponsored by some evilCorp ... how do I_get somethig maemofree on it ?   ;)
Aug 13 19:08:47 <lpotter> hmm
Aug 13 19:09:15 <lpotter> first install scratchbox
Aug 13 19:09:34 <lpotter> grab the qtopia sources
Aug 13 19:09:43 <lpotter> and configure -device n800
Aug 13 19:09:58 <pusling> scratchox wins over me every time.
Aug 13 19:09:59 <lpotter> hmm wait. there;s a readme you migh tnee to read first
Aug 13 19:10:09 <lpotter> ya, i hate scratchbox
Aug 13 19:10:33 <lpotter> er hacked it internally so we coul duse it as a normal toolchain :) the readme describes how
Aug 13 19:12:05 <BabelO> pusling: free like mamona ? http://openbossa.org/developers/mamona
Aug 13 19:12:24 <lpotter> its ./configure -device n800 -xplatform chinook
Aug 13 19:14:00 <lpotter> i like oe even less than scratchbox
Aug 13 19:15:36 <BabelO> ljp: qtopia4.4 release come out at same time than qtopia for n800 ?
Aug 13 19:16:32 <lpotter> well, it is in the sources, but I dont think we are going to release a flash image
Aug 13 19:16:48 <lpotter> i will ask though. its far from finished
Aug 13 23:06:46 <chillywilly> hola
Aug 13 23:06:57 <emacsen> hi
Aug 13 23:19:55 <ljp> hi
Aug 13 23:20:03 <chillywilly> howdy
Aug 13 23:20:24 <chillywilly> so how is 4.4?
Aug 13 23:20:26 <chillywilly> :)
Aug 13 23:20:42 <chillywilly> we need a pre-release snapshot ;)
Aug 13 23:21:22 <chillywilly> ljp: I really like the smart theme...you guys should make it more finger friendly and add a way to access the dialer :)
Aug 13 23:26:11 <ljp> agreed
Aug 13 23:38:49 <emacsen> ljp, sorry for my freak out this morning
Aug 13 23:38:58 <emacsen> just kinda... frustrated
Aug 13 23:46:04 <ljp> no worries.
Aug 13 23:46:16 <ljp> I understand totally
Aug 13 23:46:54 <ljp> you should try being a liaison between you guys and these developers :)
Aug 13 23:55:33 <emacsen> ljp, yeah... it's almost like... these aren't BIG things
Aug 13 23:55:41 <emacsen> a lot of these problems are small bugs
Aug 13 23:56:02 <emacsen> and I am so worried about OpenMoko and Qtopia. Both :)
Aug 14 00:01:19 <ljp> ya.
Aug 14 00:02:05 <ljp> just so you know, some 'bugs' that may appear in qtopai are actually systems bugs, such as the speakerphone not working
Aug 14 00:03:26 <ljp> not sure about the mp3 playing one, as they seem to work for me, pr at least the last time I tested that
Aug 14 00:04:40 <emacsen> well, mp3s, it's just a pain to play them
Aug 14 00:04:53 <emacsen> because I have to use my phone headphones since bluetooth isn't working
Aug 14 00:05:00 <emacsen> btw where in the US were you from?
Aug 14 00:08:35 <ljp> colorado
Aug 14 00:09:22 <ljp> well, bluetooth audio is part system and part qtopia. once they get the system working with bt headset, I can get qtopia fixed
Aug 14 00:12:24 <emacsen> well I bought a new mp3 player in the meantime :)
Aug 14 00:13:22 <emacsen> I was gonna give a talk to my local LUG on Free Software Mobile Phones and I canceled it
Aug 14 00:13:32 <emacsen> there just isn't anything to really talk about yet
Aug 14 00:13:56 <emacsen> there's no real openmoko phone people can use reliably, and the other one doesn't exist
Aug 14 00:15:04 <ljp> qtopia isn't reliable?
Aug 14 00:15:08 <emacsen> the other thing I'd like to see, and I know it won't happen soon, but is some kind of clarification from Nokia on what they're doing with Qtopia, etc
Aug 14 00:15:22 <emacsen> well maybe qtopia is, but there's no working qtopia-based phone
Aug 14 00:15:43 <ljp> what do you mean clarification?
Aug 14 00:15:45 <emacsen> the only other qtopia device I used was the Zaurus... what was that... 2002
Aug 14 00:16:03 <emacsen> well, Nokia bought Trolltech and they bought Symbian
Aug 14 00:16:12 <emacsen> and they're listed as an Android partner
Aug 14 00:16:15 <emacsen> (i think)
Aug 14 00:16:48 <emacsen> so what's their strategy in the smart phone market
Aug 14 00:17:30 <ljp> there will some kind of announcement with the qtopai 4.4 release
Aug 14 00:19:08 <emacsen> ljp, my concern (and I don't think I'm the only one) is long term support
Aug 14 00:19:12 <ljp> the code that makes qtopia is not going away
Aug 14 00:19:30 <emacsen> the freerunner is by far not the first device I've owned
Aug 14 00:19:37 <emacsen> I had an Agenda, and a Zaurus
Aug 14 00:23:06 <emacsen> heh. Maybe when konqueror is working, I'll be able to bring my cuecat to my library vs lugging books across the apartment
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