**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 07 02:59:57 2008
Oct 07 07:18:55 <Abram> hello
Oct 07 07:20:08 <Tm_M> hi, how i can force keyboard on? it fails to come up in one crucial page
Oct 07 07:56:07 <Abram> lpotter, remember, we were talking about internationalized keyboard in 4.4?
Oct 07 08:02:22 <FilipLinux4> hi all, does anyone know if this channel is logged somewhere ? 
Oct 07 08:41:18 <lpotter> try nslu2-log
Oct 07 08:41:31 <lpotter> whatever that is
Oct 07 09:28:55 <Abram> lpotter, hello
Oct 07 09:33:28 <Abram> you've said that 4.4 should have internetaionalized keyboard; is there one?
Oct 07 09:45:08 <BabelO_> hi
Oct 07 09:53:43 <Abram> lpotter, so, i'll ask the third time; is there international keyboard input in 4.4?
Oct 07 09:54:21 <lpotter> sorry. bene busy with kid stuff
Oct 07 09:54:40 <lpotter> yes, the black predictive keybaord has an intl page on it
Oct 07 09:56:00 <leinirAWAY> It isn't exactly easy to type words with international characters in it, though... five to seven strokes to type ø is a little... heavy :)
Oct 07 09:56:52 <leinirAWAY> *on it
Oct 07 09:57:11 <leinirAWAY> A layout per language would be a Good Thing(TM) ;)
Oct 07 10:10:41 <Abram> lpotter, hmm, predictive is not so good as normal keyboard. but i've looked through the code and... damn, it seams easier to write a new one :(
Oct 07 10:11:05 <Abram> this one is extremly buggy and the code is hard to understand :(
Oct 07 14:24:16 <abram> hmm... can someone tell me how to disable a 'flick' in QSmoothList?
Oct 07 14:32:02 <abram> ljp, can you help me?
Oct 07 14:32:54 <abram> rohanpm, ?
Oct 07 14:32:57 <abram> lpotter, ?
Oct 07 14:50:49 <abram> like always, noone there :(
Oct 07 14:56:59 <FilipLinux4> abram: maybe someone else canhelp you ?
Oct 07 14:58:42 <abram> FilipLinux4, qt support said to disable flick effect and use qt as gfx backend; however, i don't see any way to disable it
Oct 07 15:00:41 <abram> FilipLinux4, that's because 4.4 does not fully support 18bpp FB.
Oct 07 15:07:26 <FilipLinux4> sorry, can't help you on that.
Oct 07 15:29:23 <abram> ljp, look there: http://trolltech.com/developer/task-tracker/index_html?method=entry&id=229873
Oct 07 15:29:32 <abram> it says 18bpp is fixed; is it real?
Oct 07 16:34:47 <goxboxlive> hi tsdogs i saw your message. So the Uni is working. What about the modem?
Oct 07 16:35:36 <tsdogs> goxboxlive: hi, the modem implementation looks kind of odd, and it's not really properly working.
Oct 07 16:36:29 <goxboxlive> ok
Oct 07 16:36:34 <tsdogs> The implementation is kind of strange and had to remove a call to a function which became private (and probably that's what it's causing the strange behavier)
Oct 07 16:36:50 <goxboxlive> hmm i c
Oct 07 16:37:28 <tsdogs> I think we need to do a rework for the phone part. Also landscape mode looks a bit too stretched, but the hinge works :)
Oct 07 16:37:52 <goxboxlive> cool about the hinge, yes i know landscape looks odd.
Oct 07 16:46:46 <BabelO_> goxboxlive: how is this new computer
Oct 07 17:24:52 <goxboxlive> BabelO: hi, i havent got the MB yet. I had to order from two different shops because of the main one i am using didnt had the MB i wanted. So estimated delivertime for the MB is Thursday. All the other stuff i've allready got. 
Oct 07 17:39:03 <chouimat|work> still no sdk?
Oct 07 18:28:42 <tsdogs> malik1972: fyi, now my roadmap style patch is in the cvs. lacks documentation thoug :)
Oct 07 18:29:24 <malik1972> tsdogs: hi, i have to wait for the vmware sdk before testing it
Oct 07 18:29:26 <tsdogs> so you can choose font size for every element, or if ADVANCED_STYLE is not defined use the preferences value
Oct 07 18:29:45 <tsdogs> ok.
Oct 07 18:30:09 * tsdogs wanders if it will build with qt-extended though :/
Oct 07 18:30:32 <malik1972> i hope so!
Oct 07 18:30:36 <malik1972> there is a build
Oct 07 18:31:22 <malik1972> http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4
Oct 07 18:34:01 <malik1972> i was pretty sure it is for qtext but i do not see a pointer to 4.4 on that site
Oct 07 18:38:20 <malik1972> tsdogs: do you know who compiled it that way? the structure of his folders is quite different
Oct 07 18:39:01 <tsdogs> nope, but roadmap can be changed quite a lot, though screenshots show that pictures are not loaded correctly.
Oct 07 18:40:25 <malik1972> tsdogs: i saw that, i didnt wrote him as he put his roadmap files on partition 2 of sd, quite unusual
Oct 07 18:41:09 <tsdogs> malik1972: probably is using partition 1 with vfat. you found an e-mail?
Oct 07 18:41:39 <malik1972> All feedback welcome (success&failure reports): fr@linux4.be
Oct 07 18:42:00 <malik1972> last line before credits
Oct 07 18:42:03 <tsdogs> also the fact that maps are in roadmap folder and in the maps folder is odd
Oct 07 18:42:16 <tsdogs> yeah, i'm cmpletley blind ;)
Oct 07 18:42:57 * tsdogs has seen that e-mail somewhere else but can't remember where
Oct 07 18:44:57 <tsdogs> ho well, time to go home. cya
Oct 07 18:45:27 <malik1972> cya
Oct 07 20:09:37 <Ficik> Hi!
Oct 07 20:10:18 <Ficik> Is there anyone who would help me?
Oct 07 20:12:47 <Ficik> I'm trying to run pidgin and tangogps or roadmap on freerunner and Qtextended 4.4.1
Oct 07 20:13:07 <malik1972> no chance concerning tangogps
Oct 07 20:13:18 <malik1972> did you ported it?
Oct 07 20:13:26 <malik1972> otherwise do not try it
Oct 07 20:13:44 <malik1972> go for roadmap for a good gps application
Oct 07 20:14:42 <malik1972> you may try http://www.onkelinx.com/qtopia.on.neo/?page_id=4
Oct 07 20:14:45 <Ficik> ok but roadmap doesn't work anyway...
Oct 07 20:14:54 <malik1972> not sure if it is for 4.4
Oct 07 20:15:12 <malik1972> Ficik: whats the prblem?
Oct 07 20:15:24 <Ficik> cannot open display
Oct 07 20:16:05 <Ficik> I downloaded it from link above
Oct 07 20:16:20 <Ficik> followed the instructions on the page
Oct 07 20:16:29 <malik1972> and you started it on the freerunner via ssh?
Oct 07 20:16:39 <Ficik> in qterminal
Oct 07 20:16:47 <malik1972> okay
Oct 07 20:17:37 <Ficik> echo $DISPLAY returns blank line
Oct 07 20:17:44 <malik1972> one moment
Oct 07 20:18:05 <malik1972> i guess it is not designed to run for qtext 4.4
Oct 07 20:18:19 <malik1972> as far as i can see the dir /opt/Nokia/Qtopia/qpe.env 
Oct 07 20:18:36 <malik1972> is not used in qt 4.4
Oct 07 20:19:30 <Ficik> so.. how can I get some gps application?
Oct 07 20:19:34 <malik1972> its /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia
Oct 07 20:19:48 <malik1972> i dont know what the guy did there
Oct 07 20:20:09 <malik1972> maybe he compiled it for om 2008.x?
Oct 07 20:20:55 <malik1972> the used directories in his tgz do not look familiar to me
Oct 07 20:21:51 <malik1972> lpotter: ping
Oct 07 20:27:04 <lpotter> pong
Oct 07 22:28:29 <cbmuser> lpotter: there are still no snapshots for qt-extended, are there ?
Oct 07 22:42:49 <ljp> not yet. we just go the ok :)
Oct 07 22:50:58 <ljp> so.. soon!
Oct 08 01:51:23 <mwester> ljp:  are you on this channel?
Oct 08 01:52:26 <mwester> ljp:  I can upload a copy of the /opt/Trolltech/Qtopia I have installed for you to test with, and see if my image works on your hardware?
Oct 08 01:55:18 <ljp> i would need to download it from somewhere
Oct 08 01:58:38 <mwester> I'll put it up on my site somewhere; it'll take 5 or 10 minutes to upload.
Oct 08 02:05:03 <mwester> http://moko.mwester.net/images/qtextended_mw_image.tgz
Oct 08 02:05:31 <mwester> Check the md5sum to make sure it uploaded without errors: 8f71cab2679f275a49bd96c12e7986c3
Oct 08 02:24:37 <ljp> same deal
Oct 08 02:24:45 <mwester> oof.
Oct 08 02:24:54 <ljp> go figure
Oct 08 02:25:09 <mwester> What firmware in your GSM?
Oct 08 02:25:43 <ljp> not sure
Oct 08 02:26:39 <mwester> I have blah-blah-blah-Moko7 on mine.
Oct 08 02:26:54 <ljp> 25_ri_36_amd8_ts0_Moko8
Oct 08 02:27:15 <mwester> oh
Oct 08 02:27:32 <ljp> we also have some prototypes. that it might work on
Oct 08 02:27:36 <mwester> GTA02BV5 ?
Oct 08 02:27:40 <ljp> yes
Oct 08 02:27:55 <weirdedout> Anyone using qtopia-desktop to sync data to FR with qtextended-4.4.1?  I noticed that qtopia-desktop is trying to sync to port 4243 while the FR is listening on port 4245.  Any way to change one of the port numbers?
Oct 08 02:28:12 <mwester> Ok -- you might note that on the 1024 bug report -- that's rather a big deal.
Oct 08 02:28:38 <ljp> weirdedout: qtopia desktop only works on qtopai 2
Oct 08 02:29:31 <weirdedout> bummer
Oct 08 02:33:21 <mwester> ljp:  So the SLEEP fix will need to be an option that can be enabled by something like a set of GSM firmware versions, or in the interim, by a user flag or option. :(  
Oct 08 02:33:44 <mwester> Does the FR actually have the bouncing problem?
Oct 08 02:34:24 <ljp> sometimes.
Oct 08 02:34:34 <ljp> not currently
Oct 08 02:35:16 <mwester> interesting, because if its not experiencing the problem now, then in my patch the SLEEP was never issued (it has to bounce 4 times before deep sleep is disabled).
Oct 08 02:35:40 <mwester> You can check the log, it will have noted specifically if it issued the SLEEP command.
Oct 08 02:35:56 <mwester> otherwise something else is causing it to not wake.
Oct 08 02:37:46 <ljp> ok. rebooted and is now working.
Oct 08 02:38:09 <ljp> but i suspect if that sleep command is issued it would stop proper resuming
Oct 08 02:38:44 <mwester> I don't know of a good way to inject an AT command to the modem from the command line or GUI with qt extended.
Oct 08 02:39:05 <mwester> (gsmd and FSO can do it -- hint hint)
Oct 08 02:39:22 <ljp> from a running qtextended?
Oct 08 02:39:55 <mwester> that would be ideal for testing -- get a pty connected to one of the mux channels
Oct 08 02:40:09 <mwester> and use "cu" or similar to talk to the GSM
Oct 08 02:40:31 <ljp> there is phonebounce mode
Oct 08 02:41:45 <ljp> http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/phonebounce.html
Oct 08 02:43:23 <mwester> btw, I got your email with the patch this afternoon... (ISP's spam filter went insane apparently, and held all sorts of mail for a couple of days!).
Oct 08 02:44:46 <ljp> heh
Oct 08 02:45:47 <mwester> I'm wondering if maybe the Calypso responds poorly to SLEEP=0; I've only ever done any serious testing with 2 and 4
Oct 08 02:46:46 <ljp> I tried them all
Oct 08 02:47:09 <mwester> hmm.
Oct 08 02:48:15 <mwester> I sure wish we could d/l firmware to the Calypso -- that would make it a lot easier to deal with this problem, then.
Oct 08 02:48:36 <ljp> ya
Oct 08 02:49:58 <mwester> Looking over the bug report, I get the impression that Om .tw is not particularly concerned about this problem, or able to reproduce it -- so to ask Om to test the various firmwares may not be a good solution (although I know of no others who have access to all the firmwares)
Oct 08 02:50:49 <ljp> does it effect there asu stuff?
Oct 08 02:50:53 <ljp> their
Oct 08 02:52:18 <mwester> It will.
Oct 08 02:52:51 <mwester> The ASU stuff currently has the problem, it's the same code as 4.3 Qtopia.
Oct 08 02:53:49 <mwester> The patch that was applied was one on my site for 4.3 -- which is ironic because I switched to 4.4.1 in the middle of debugging this, and the patch that works is only for 4.4.1. 
Oct 08 02:54:21 <mwester> So that means that nothing will break any worse for users, because the patch they just applied doesn't actually issue the %SLEEP command.
Oct 08 02:54:48 <mwester> As soon as it does, I presume that it will behave exactly as your system did, at least on the systems with the same hardware/firmware version.
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