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Jan 05 04:28:34 * bizkut is away (i am away now)
Jan 05 04:31:09 * persia fantasises about a bot that automatically parts clients from a channel after N repeated verbose away messages without intervening intentional traffic
Jan 05 05:38:19 <brian_> any openmkok owners here?
Jan 05 05:38:31 <brian_> openmoko
Jan 05 05:40:07 <persia> brian_: sometimes, although not often, as most OpenMoko devices need ARMv4
Jan 05 05:41:15 <brian_> ic
Jan 05 05:41:30 <brian_> arm 7 now
Jan 05 05:41:43 <persia> Cool!
Jan 05 05:41:49 * persia goes off to read all about it
Jan 05 05:42:12 <brian_> :)
Jan 05 05:48:44 <persia> Hrm.  I can't seem to find a good link on the openmoko wiki :(
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Jan 05 09:52:17 <armin76> :D
Jan 05 09:52:30 * armin76 is away (*g*)
Jan 05 09:52:47 * armin76 kicks zumbi 
Jan 05 13:15:05 <cwillu_at_work> what's new in arm land?
Jan 05 13:31:51 <persia> From the current meeting in #ubuntu-meeting, it looks like .32 kernels should drop soon.
Jan 05 13:36:35 <cwillu_at_work> drop == land?
Jan 05 13:36:46 <persia> Yeah.
Jan 05 13:36:48 * persia digs up the link
Jan 05 13:36:53 <cwillu_at_work> drop typically means the opposite :p
Jan 05 13:37:25 <persia> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=marvell/dove-kernel/.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/marvell-dove-2.6.32.2
Jan 05 13:40:36 <persia> It's often worth dropping into #ubuntu-meeting at 13 UTC on Tuesdays, as a bunch of folk working on ARM stuff tend to talk about current status.
Jan 05 13:51:50 * cwillu_at_work makes a note
Jan 05 13:52:39 <cwillu_at_work> 13utc is a bit on the early side for me, but yep
Jan 05 13:52:55 <ogra> you are here now, no ? :)
Jan 05 13:53:28 <cwillu_at_work> coffee is still flowing in
Jan 05 13:53:56 <cwillu_at_work> my mental capabilities are still sub-html
Jan 05 13:54:15 <cwillu_at_work> I need them to be at kernel in half an hour
Jan 05 13:54:39 <cwillu_at_work> this might be a Documentation Day.
Jan 05 14:01:18 <ogra> heh
Jan 05 15:06:52 <asac> GrueMaster: thanks for pushing the patches up ... is https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gruemaster/lsb-arm-port/main the latest and greatest?
Jan 05 15:58:39 <NCommander> asac, I think I found the problem with libtool
Jan 05 15:58:53 <NCommander> /usr/bin/ld: .libs/hello.o: relocation R_ARM_THM_MOVW_ABS_NC against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC :-)
Jan 05 16:02:58 <NCommander> Martyn, ping?
Jan 05 16:05:36 <asac> NCommander: who is Martyn ?
Jan 05 16:07:33 <NCommander> asac, resident ARM guru who can confirm a theory of mine. dmart isn't around or I'd ask him as well
Jan 05 16:07:54 <NCommander> asac, its possible our toolchain simply doesn't support non-PIC shared libraries on ARMv7, and thus libtool needs to be taught that test can fail safely
Jan 05 16:09:02 <asac> NCommander: afaik we need PIC
Jan 05 16:09:44 <NCommander> asac, thats what I thought, but ARMv6 and earlier supported non-PIC shared libraries
Jan 05 16:11:22 <NCommander> asac, the situation is more complicated that debian/rules forces in arm-linux-gnueabi as the compiler triplex
Jan 05 16:11:26 <asac> NCommander: so thats a non-PIC test? meaning: we should disable the test?
Jan 05 16:12:23 <NCommander> asac, yeah, thats the case. I can just modify the test so when it sees ARM, it skips the npic test, although that's not going to be acceptable for upstream
Jan 05 16:17:45 <Martyn> I am around
Jan 05 16:18:00 <Martyn> Sorry, had to step away from the keyboard, was doing some FastModel work
Jan 05 16:18:04 <NCommander> Martyn, what do you know about non-PIC shared libraries on ARMv7?
Jan 05 16:19:42 <Martyn> non-PIC on arm should be supported in v7
Jan 05 16:19:58 <NCommander> Martyn, the toolchain doesn't seem happy about it though
Jan 05 16:20:05 <Martyn> Then there is a bug in the toolchain
Jan 05 16:20:40 <NCommander> Martyn, woo.
Jan 05 16:21:01 <Martyn> In fact it's absolutely required on the snapdragon based cellphone platforms (read: Droid)
Jan 05 16:21:21 <NCommander> Martyn, non-PIC shared libraries?
Jan 05 16:21:23 <Martyn> jump onto an Android dev channel, and see if their prepackaged toolchain fails too
Jan 05 16:22:06 <NCommander> Martyn, non-PIC binary objects work, its just an issue when you build a .so
Jan 05 16:22:43 <Martyn> Hrm
Jan 05 16:22:47 <Martyn> Not good
Jan 05 16:22:59 <NCommander> Martyn, well, most shared libraries are PIC
Jan 05 16:23:29 <NCommander> Martyn, the only issue this came up is because the libtool torture test blew up on armv7 when trying to build a non-pic library
Jan 05 16:23:41 <Martyn> *nod*
Jan 05 16:23:48 <Martyn> Well, I guess I'd have to agree .. drop the test for now
Jan 05 16:23:56 <Martyn> and report it upstream for investigation
Jan 05 16:24:34 <NCommander> asac, debdiff on the way :-)
Jan 05 16:57:55 <NCommander> asac, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.4/+bug/503448
Jan 05 16:57:57 <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503448 in gcc-4.4 "[arm] building non-PIC libraries fails under ARMv7 mode" [Undecided,New]
Jan 05 17:00:56 <asac> NCommander: so is libtool blocked on that or do we want to disable that test on armel for now?
Jan 05 17:01:05 <asac> can you check if gcc-snapshot helps?
Jan 05 17:01:12 <NCommander> asac, lets disable for now, and keep our eye on it
Jan 05 17:01:13 <asac> (if there is a build available)
Jan 05 17:01:14 <NCommander> asac, will do
Jan 05 17:13:31 <GrueMaster> asac: Yes, the LP code is the most current (from my stuff) so far.
Jan 05 17:16:51 <asac> cool
Jan 05 20:28:48 <armin76> nice, dove support made it to mainline
Jan 05 20:28:55 <armin76> rabeeh: i want one
Jan 05 20:32:26 <armin76> oh well, its just v6
Jan 05 20:51:37 <lool> armin76: dove can work in v6 and v7 mode
Jan 05 20:53:31 <armin76> lool: yep, but the one in the kernel only is armv6
Jan 05 21:11:07 <NCommander> armin76, link?
Jan 05 21:14:11 <armin76> NCommander: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4 && http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blobdiff;f=arch/arm/mm/Kconfig;h=1549863d7b54564b131d2f415815d51b68c6057b;hp=9264d814cd7a9db1f5a5d0901fc62e81fa921aa0;hb=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4;hpb=8d27b2f7988b652dbabf79291a3e2550c06e1af5
Jan 05 21:14:46 <NCommander> That's freaking awesome
Jan 05 21:15:47 <armin76> why?
Jan 05 21:16:57 <NCommander> armin76, having a kernel mainline solves a *lot* of issues
Jan 05 21:18:02 <armin76> whats the point if its not the proc you're interested in? :)
Jan 05 21:18:38 <NCommander> armin76, huh?
Jan 05 21:19:02 <NCommander> armin76, dove is the platform that you were using over IPv6 in my apartment
Jan 05 21:19:13 <armin76> NCommander: yes, but your boards are armv7
Jan 05 21:19:30 <NCommander> All dove boards are ARMv7
Jan 05 21:21:51 <armin76> NCommander: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/configs/dove_defconfig;h=f2d1ea0abb849a7402d03ba688adaacb6f03b5d8;hb=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4 <- this board uses v6
Jan 05 21:22:40 <NCommander> armin76, ?
Jan 05 21:23:01 <NCommander> armin76, ah
Jan 05 21:23:21 <NCommander> armin76, *shrug*
Jan 05 21:23:28 <armin76> fail :)
Jan 05 21:24:24 <armin76> NCommander: the commit that added dove support(first link i pasted) only touches armv6
Jan 05 21:24:28 <armin76> and you've seen the defconfig now
Jan 05 21:25:25 <armin76> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=patch;h=edabd38e1a017e922e3e3b485ee3ddb4df433aa4 <- commit
Jan 05 21:50:26 <suihkulokki> new toy for armin76 to whine for ;)  http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/05/marvell-plug-computer-3-0-packs-in-wifi-bluetooth-and-2ghz-arma/
Jan 05 21:51:06 <armin76> *g*
Jan 05 21:51:12 <armin76> suihkulokki: hope it doesn't come with ubuntu :P
Jan 05 21:51:20 <armin76> (and the proc is v5)
Jan 05 21:51:41 <armin76> looks like they left 2.0 on the road *g*
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