**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 02:59:57 2010 Feb 15 06:30:50 interesting... bootchart doesn't do anything on arm. Feb 15 06:33:43 Nor does ureadahead. Feb 15 06:33:49 Probably doesn't need to do anything, though. Feb 15 06:50:42 wait, ureadahead should work! Feb 15 06:50:54 it should be prepopulating the cache Feb 15 06:51:28 Did we forget to add the patch into the arm branch of the kernel? Feb 15 06:56:07 Then again, my ureadahead doesn't work on my host amd64 system, either... terminates with status 4. Feb 15 06:56:08 =รพ Feb 15 06:56:14 So maybe I'm just unlucky. Feb 15 06:56:38 hmm, /var/lib/ureadahead/ has just debugfs; no "pack". Feb 15 06:56:50 Also, my thing isn't using an initramfs, and update-initramfs does nothing. Feb 15 06:58:54 http://pastebin.com/fc125c14 Feb 15 06:59:08 that is: bash -x `which update-initramfs` -u -k all Feb 15 07:00:47 Yeah, I'm only just starting to work with initramfs/initrd for arm server Feb 15 07:00:55 it will be a while before I walk the entire chain Feb 15 07:01:25 Plus, initramfs needs u-boot to know what to do with it, also. Feb 15 07:01:43 As it is, the kernel has to come from elsewhere -- I went here: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/kernel/beagle/ Feb 15 07:07:00 Are there any plans to have standard in-repo kernels for various boards? Feb 15 07:10:02 no Feb 15 07:10:30 at least, from what I saw, only the supported processors on their test platforms for now Feb 15 07:10:33 Marvell Dove Feb 15 07:10:39 etc Feb 15 07:10:40 etc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 12:02:31 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 12:02:51 2010 Feb 15 13:00:59 does anyone have additional ideas what should be on the rootstock gui for its first iteration ? http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/rootstock-gui.png Feb 15 13:01:04 asac, ^^^ ? Feb 15 13:01:40 ogra: make the image size typable ;) Feb 15 13:01:46 pfft Feb 15 13:02:11 ogra: whats the "run tasksel" button Feb 15 13:02:12 well, beyond that, any options you would like to see ? Feb 15 13:02:17 if you click there it instantly runs tasksel? Feb 15 13:02:19 it fires up the tasksel gui Feb 15 13:02:46 so right when clicking? Feb 15 13:03:26 http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/rootstock-tasksel.png Feb 15 13:03:32 its a separate window Feb 15 13:03:40 k Feb 15 14:45:59 asac, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/rootstock-gui.png more happy with that ? Feb 15 14:46:13 ogra: can one type Feb 15 14:46:34 (the file menu has a save profile/load profile as well) Feb 15 14:46:37 indeed Feb 15 14:46:54 well, you will, thats all mockup atm Feb 15 15:04:26 ogra: seed url doesnt work? Feb 15 15:04:43 no, thats not in the script yet either Feb 15 15:04:58 kk Feb 15 15:04:58 something for L+1 Feb 15 15:05:19 image size -> implies we create a real image now? Feb 15 15:05:34 no, should i call it rootfs size rather ? Feb 15 15:05:45 rootfs max size Feb 15 15:05:45 ? Feb 15 15:05:59 why do we need that? cant we do an estimate? Feb 15 15:06:06 its one point i would even like to automate, but that smells like a huge amount of code to compute it in advance Feb 15 15:06:09 guess not ;) Feb 15 15:06:15 right Feb 15 15:06:23 also L+1 :) Feb 15 15:06:25 but cant we say: 4GB by default? Feb 15 15:06:43 no, people that do ubuntu-minimal will only neeed 500MB Feb 15 15:06:54 but that space isnt wasted Feb 15 15:06:56 i dont want to waste more diskspace than needed Feb 15 15:07:00 its just temporary right= Feb 15 15:07:00 ? Feb 15 15:07:04 its used during build Feb 15 15:07:07 right Feb 15 15:07:13 so your host definately needs that amount Feb 15 15:07:16 we can take as much as the file system has ;) Feb 15 15:07:30 no, that would strictly bind to the filesystem Feb 15 15:07:47 run a check before build if /tmp partition has more than 4GB ... if so acquire it, other pop up a dialog and ask user to select a smaller guess ;) Feb 15 15:07:51 i want to preserve the funstionallity that you can use the script without a FS Feb 15 15:08:06 without a fS? Feb 15 15:08:08 FS? Feb 15 15:08:16 without a target partition Feb 15 15:08:22 how can a rootfs work without a filesystem? Feb 15 15:08:34 the script should still go on to produce tarballs Feb 15 15:08:35 i dont think i understand you. keep the option ;) Feb 15 15:08:39 as well as the gui ... Feb 15 15:08:51 i know Feb 15 15:09:05 only if you fill in the bottom option to write to target partition we actually have a size Feb 15 15:09:07 i am saying. if your local /tmp partition has more than 4GB size, use that as image size Feb 15 15:09:10 otherwise ask :) Feb 15 15:09:23 but i see that its not accurate Feb 15 15:09:33 maybe "grow-on-demand"? Feb 15 15:09:40 guess thats harder Feb 15 15:10:32 yes, thats quite hard the stages are to disconnected Feb 15 15:10:54 i would go with a hard 4G for the gui ... Feb 15 15:11:12 given that when you run the gui you really should make sure to have enough build space Feb 15 15:11:22 anyway. i think we should set the image size to a reasonable default and move it from the top Feb 15 15:11:38 i think i just care so much because i would expect the top most option to be quite important Feb 15 15:11:44 the prob is what happens if a user is insane enough to pick kubuntu-debsktop, ubuntu-dekstop, xubuntu-desktop at the same time Feb 15 15:11:51 right Feb 15 15:11:54 lets move it down Feb 15 15:12:04 and use a reasonable default (e.g. 4 or 2 GB) Feb 15 15:12:11 4 then Feb 15 15:12:19 thats definately safe for most operations Feb 15 15:12:34 also name it (build space) or something Feb 15 15:12:41 with a minimal size coded in the spinbutton Feb 15 15:12:48 i.e. 0.5 G Feb 15 15:13:06 i dont care about minimal size ;) Feb 15 15:13:15 well, the actual build space is a bit more than the image size Feb 15 15:13:42 doesnt matter ;) ... name it: rootfs build area Feb 15 15:13:45 (kernel Packages file etc... but that should be in the megabytes Feb 15 15:13:50 ok Feb 15 15:14:27 what is in datei ? Feb 15 15:14:30 in the menu? Feb 15 15:14:49 load profile/save profile and quit Feb 15 15:15:05 to load/save the set of options you picked Feb 15 15:15:05 ok Feb 15 15:28:58 asac, reload :) Feb 15 15:31:52 ogra: good ... maybe in (TEMP) in brackets Feb 15 15:31:52 ;) Feb 15 15:31:56 but its ok Feb 15 15:32:35 yeah, thats easy to add when i code that stuff ... its currently all glade to get a grasp of the layout i want Feb 15 15:33:01 for mockups there is nothing better than glade :) Feb 15 15:33:20 oh wasnt there the idea to also allow adding .deb files? Feb 15 15:34:10 yes, thats for later though Feb 15 15:34:21 k Feb 15 15:34:42 only one additional mirror? Feb 15 15:34:43 or a list of? Feb 15 15:35:05 one for now Feb 15 15:37:18 the mirror stuff can definately need some extra love later (i'll turn that into post FF bugs) currently it needs to be a properly set up ubuntu archive Feb 15 15:37:53 i'd like to make it handle PPAs as well but that needs some extra gpg fiddling in the code thats not there yet Feb 15 15:47:54 i think its ok ;) Feb 15 15:47:58 just wondered if a syntax like in pbuilder is allowed Feb 15 15:48:08 that allows you to specify more than one mirror in one line iirc Feb 15 15:49:10 well, that can surely be added... just a check for comma in the argument and split accordingly Feb 15 15:49:45 heh, i just wanted to point jamie to commanet #3 on http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/the-shiniest-and-fastest-arms-ever-in-ubuntu/ Feb 15 15:49:54 i guess he knows why he just disconnected :P Feb 15 16:36:42 Hi guys, can you remember who was looking at the Thumb-2 issues in gmp? Was it dyfet? Feb 15 16:36:52 * ogra thinks so Feb 15 16:37:13 but you might not catch him today (national holiday in the US) Feb 15 16:40:52 dmart: According to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/513732 he was assigned shortly Feb 15 16:40:54 Launchpad bug 513732 in gmp (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "[arm] needs porting to thumb2 (affects: 1)" [High,Triaged] Feb 15 16:41:15 thanks Feb 15 16:48:46 * jmc93739653 finds himself in the role of a sterotypical American, as he didn't know it _was_ a holiday in the US today. Feb 15 16:50:00 bank holiday though Feb 15 16:50:06 most businesses are open **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 16 02:59:57 2010