**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 28 02:59:57 2010 Feb 28 08:27:26 just taking a peek at this. is rootstock/armel/qemu an alternative to the OE/bitbake system? Feb 28 08:29:45 I'm not at all familiar with OE/bitbake but rootstock/armel/qemu certainly allows one to build packages (although there are some bugs). Feb 28 08:30:21 Personally, I've been working with sbuild&qemu-static, but that has more bugs (although the interface is easier as one doesn't have a full virtual system). Feb 28 08:32:28 Ox83: What are you seeking to accomplish? Feb 28 08:34:34 * persia becomes extra laggy for a while Feb 28 08:38:26 pesia: am interested in building an ubuntu rootfs that can boot on my sharp zaurus (model sl-5600 with arm5tel processor). Feb 28 08:39:06 there is a zubuntu project out there, but it is aimed at newer machines. Feb 28 09:10:03 Ox83: current ubuntu systems don't support arm5 processors anymore, you might want to have a look at debian instead Feb 28 09:18:47 Ox83: For the 5600, I'd also recommend Debian. On a SL-C series, Ubuntu can work, but only Ubuntu 9.04 (and it's not upgradeable). Feb 28 09:19:10 That said, I suspect there's a way to hack rootstock to be able to use that to generate Debian rootfs artifacts. Feb 28 09:20:02 The effort to port Ubuntu 9.10 (or newer) to the Zauri is doomed to either failure or an incomplete archive (unless someone has a spare 300G of storage space to dedicate to hosting the archive). Feb 28 09:20:18 Because the newer releases require newer chips. Feb 28 09:20:47 sounds like deb then :) Feb 28 09:29:12 Just as a side note for those not familiar with the Zauri: models other than the SL-C series has sub-VGA graphics, wheras the SL-C series was full VGA (some with and some without hard drives). Feb 28 09:29:41 (and I know Ubuntu has issues at 800x600, so I don't expect 320x240 or 480x320 to be anywhere near enough or well tested, etc.) Feb 28 10:32:46 Hi Feb 28 10:33:10 Can we install Ubuntu Netbook remix on arm based devices ? Feb 28 10:33:40 If yes, please provide me link to download the varient... Feb 28 10:40:24 Rishi1: It's very much possible to do so. For lucid, I believe the only flavours being built on armel are ubuntu-netbook, kubuntu-netbook, and server (although I plan to confirm on Monday, as there was some confusion related to Alpha 3). Feb 28 10:41:10 Thanks Persia for reply.. Actually I want to install Ubuntu on my Nokia n810 Feb 28 10:41:17 It is based on Arm Feb 28 10:41:18 But for earlier releases (ones that don't change daily and have some expectations of not being buggy), you'd have to install some other variant and then apt-get install "ubuntu-netbook-remix". rootstock can also do this. Feb 28 10:41:26 and it has OS maemo OS2008 Feb 28 10:41:46 I think I heard that the n810 can't run lucid (processor too old), so you'd be stuck with Jaunty or Karmic. Feb 28 10:42:06 Also, the resolution (800x480) is too small for the netbook variant. Feb 28 10:42:20 Any pointer regarding how to install Jaunty on it ? Feb 28 10:42:26 I'll recommend you explore the Mer project, which is based on Ubuntu, and targets that resolution. Feb 28 10:42:47 I don't know of one, sorry. Feb 28 10:44:05 I would like to see Jaunty on my n810 :) Feb 28 10:44:31 I think you'd be happier with Karmic, which I believe works (although I've not tried it, so I may be mistaken). Feb 28 10:46:20 Would it not be heavy for a 400Mhz Feb 28 10:47:00 It depends on what interface you use. The netbook interface is almost certainly too heavy. Something like LXDE seems to be about right. Feb 28 10:47:32 For lucid, there's a new netbook interface available that's lighter, but it won't work on the n810 because of changes in the instruction set. Feb 28 10:48:46 Is it possible to remove Maemo from n810 and install ubuntu jaunty on it ? Feb 28 10:49:47 I don't know. I *think* you need to stick with the Nokia kernel. Most folks seem to dual-boot (based on the results of a web search) Feb 28 10:50:18 Dual boot will be the best option Feb 28 10:51:00 need to search a lot on it.. The story behind doing this is that I want to connect my Internet USB dongle to N810 Feb 28 10:51:42 I really think the Mer project will have something more well suited to what you want (and you should be able to use any Ubuntu package with that, based on the information I have previously received). If not, just search for "Ubuntu N810" or similar, and you'll get a lot of blog posts. Some of them appear to have some directions, but I can't vouch for how well they work. Feb 28 10:51:43 Though I have managed to Use USB Keyboard and USB Pen Drives and USb Hardisks even... :) Feb 28 10:53:16 If you get it working, please let us know. I'd like to be confident telling people it works: I just don't have any reports that it's a good solution on that hardware yet (and since lucid and following releases won't work there, support for Ubuntu on that hardware will likely completely expire in early 2011~ Feb 28 11:06:47 Will surely inform you Feb 28 11:07:47 I guess you stay in this channel with name Persia only Feb 28 11:08:14 Actually This is first time im on freenode Feb 28 17:29:58 hello Feb 28 17:30:08 coq consistently fails to build on armel Feb 28 17:30:19 I've no idea where the problem comes from Feb 28 17:30:32 I've been told that I could get help here Feb 28 17:30:54 (FWIW, coq builds successfully on armel in Debian) Feb 28 17:34:20 and I am unable to create a working ubuntu chroot on my SheevaPlug... mount crashes with illegal instruction on karmic and segfault on lucid Feb 28 18:10:24 :D Feb 28 18:10:47 sgnb: karmic/lucid isn't going to work on the sheevaplug ever Feb 28 19:42:01 hello! Feb 28 19:42:28 my first time here, i usually live over in ubuntu-montana. Feb 28 19:42:36 anyone here running a guruplug or a sheevaplug? Feb 28 19:43:14 syadnom: you'll find more ppl on #openplug Feb 28 19:44:01 well, ubuntu is available on the guruplug and I was wondering if anyone had gotten vbulleting running on one? I just dont know how php and apache run on the arm platform. Feb 28 19:44:18 vbulleting=vbulletin if my typo wasnt obvious. Feb 28 19:44:54 along those line, does mysql run well on arm. Feb 28 19:46:40 I'm considering an experiment with running a guruplug to start a basic vbulletin site, and then splitting that to a MySQL guruplug+webserver, then mysql+2 web servers etc etc with apache load balancing. Before I invest in a couple plugs and wanted to know if anyone had run php and mysql on one of these plugs yet. Feb 28 20:34:09 syadnom: There aren't a lot of people still running Ubuntu on these because only Ubuntu jaunty can run on the devices -- they are armv5 Feb 28 20:34:28 syadnom: We target armv7 in the current development version of ubuntu Feb 28 20:44:32 lool: "we" means your an ubuntu dev? any reason to target arm v7 instead of v5? Feb 28 20:45:15 lool: is this just a kernel issue? could you roll your own kernel to work around it or are all the libs etc arm v7 only? Feb 28 20:58:33 hi! can anybody help me in order to update an arm linux kernel installation? Feb 28 21:00:10 ... Feb 28 22:20:26 juan: come back tomorrow, this is a sleepy irc day Feb 28 22:20:34 oh! missed him Feb 28 22:40:03 syadnom: its for performance reasons. ARMv7+Thumb2 gives a massive performance boost Feb 28 22:42:24 sgnb: The SheevaPlug can't run newer Ubuntu (see interim backscroll). Depending on the instructions used, you may be able to get an emulated lucid chroot working on an amd64 or i386 machine (either running in qemu or with qemu-static). Mar 01 01:18:49 hi I have a smartq v7 arm machine, it's imported into the us and it came with ubuntu arm installed, my issue is that the repo's for the installed version are in china...im sure there is a mirrror in the us though? Mar 01 01:19:13 There probably isn't, actually. Mar 01 01:19:28 ports.ubuntu.com has very few mirrors (and I don't know if they are well identified). Mar 01 01:19:56 Also, do be careful with upgrades of that device. I think it won't work with lucid, and I'm unsure if it works with karmic. Mar 01 01:20:38 I'm also completely unaware of which packages got patched how to make it work : I don't remember seeing patch submissions back to Ubuntu from the SmartQN pre-install derivative. Mar 01 01:21:57 right it seems like they have blocked certain pkgs by default through apt as well Mar 01 01:22:10 though its been so long since i used a debian or derivative im mainoly gentoo Mar 01 01:22:49 but things like the proprietarily coded vlc to take advantae of hdmi and the hardware encoder to do 1080p...stuff like that i dont think i want to upgrade Mar 01 01:22:52 :) Mar 01 01:23:26 was actually hoping to either put gentoo on it or put my customized ubuntu on there Mar 01 01:23:48 used ubuntu before debian years ago so i think i remember enough..but where to start.. Mar 01 01:25:57 /etc/lsb-release ought to tell you the base Ubuntu that they started from. Mar 01 01:26:41 And you should be able to point at the rthe apprpriate release at ports.ubuntu.com to get more packages (if the mirror is incomplete, or if bandwidth is better to p.u.c) Mar 01 01:27:04 Once you have that, you can probably install/uninstall packages as you like to tweak your install. Mar 01 01:34:49 lsb_release -a and/or lsb_release -d Mar 01 01:35:03 interfaces, ftw Mar 01 01:35:53 -r is likely to be more useful. I do wish there was a better way to enforce updates for derivatives. Mar 01 01:36:40 shotguns? Mar 01 01:37:14 Something with lower transportation costs would be nice. Mar 01 01:38:21 Seems that the Netwalker has the same issue that the OS vendor didn't change the values. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 01 02:59:57 2010