**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 05 02:59:56 2010 Apr 05 21:15:07 hi, I am looking for a arm cortex a9 board but there seems to be none, that doesnt cost a fortune or isnt available, but today, I found this one: http://www.kmckk.co.jp/eng/kzmca9/index.html does someone know more about that? Apr 05 21:15:57 hmm, is beagleboard an a9? Apr 05 21:18:19 oh, I see... Apr 05 21:18:25 that's multi-core. Apr 05 21:18:47 beagle is omap 3xxx Apr 05 21:18:53 cortex a8 Apr 05 21:19:40 ah. Apr 05 21:22:18 DanaG: omap4 is cortex-a9 dual core Apr 05 21:22:31 Is that what the beagle-XM will have? Apr 05 21:22:36 no Apr 05 21:23:36 DanaG: detail info on the new features of the xm - http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/6604a0debf003c8a Apr 05 21:24:02 I do find it a bit of a bummer that they didn't expose the USB+LAN chip's 15 GPIOs. Apr 05 21:24:27 DanaG: why? Apr 05 21:24:27 I heard arm cpus are missing a smp unit, what does that mean in consequence? Apr 05 21:24:52 It would be nifty to be able to use an expansion board and still have a bunch of gpios. Apr 05 21:26:43 DanaG: but you have a bunch of gpios already Apr 05 21:26:55 Muxed with other stuff, though. Apr 05 21:27:06 videorechner: the cores act independently in many way Apr 05 21:27:30 DanaG: can you give me an example of a case condition? Apr 05 21:27:44 I was more just theorizing, actually. Apr 05 21:27:54 Right now I don't use GPIOs at all, anyway/ =รพ Apr 05 21:28:26 prpplague but ubuntu can handle them like any other dual core? Apr 05 21:28:34 hmm, what boards actually do have the dual-core ARM? Apr 05 21:28:41 DanaG: it would be much much easier for you to use a i2c gpio expander than try to use the gpios on the lan9514 Apr 05 21:28:43 Looks like XM will still be single-core. Apr 05 21:28:53 videorechner: i do not know currenty Apr 05 21:29:08 DanaG: correct Apr 05 21:29:45 I'm interested in the Marvell 1.2GHz ARM stuff, also. Apr 05 21:30:11 http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/02/17/texas-instruments-omap4-blaze-twin-screens-android-and-a-projector/ Apr 05 21:30:15 thats dual core Apr 05 21:30:30 and a very sweet bit of kit Apr 05 21:31:17 XorA|gone: toooooooo bulky, hehe Apr 05 21:31:19 heh, I was pondering replacing the sucky samsung netbook with a better HP one (5102) or that Onkyo DX dual-1366x768 thingy... then I tried an SSD and realized that'd be more useful. Apr 05 21:32:27 prpplague: well your the board dude, shrink it to the size of my Touch HD2 :-D Apr 05 21:32:46 XorA|gone: hehe Apr 05 21:33:04 Who had sufficient lack of decency enough to make a bezel for that abomination. Apr 05 21:33:07 ??? Apr 05 21:35:28 It goes without saying you can make cases for stuff. What idea are they pitching, "ready for market"? "Dual vertical span with separation in between on a phone is a good idea"? Apr 05 21:36:06 comradekingu: for which item are you refering? Apr 05 21:36:16 http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/02/17/texas-instruments-omap4-blaze-twin-screens-android-and-a-projector/0 Apr 05 21:36:22 http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/02/17/texas-instruments-omap4-blaze-twin-screens-android-and-a-projector/ Apr 05 21:36:38 comradekingu: ahh right, there were very specific reasons for the size and shape Apr 05 21:37:16 prpplague: Im guessing the gold trim has its reasons too, but come on... Apr 05 21:38:07 comradekingu: i think that was just for show, all the ones i've seen are all black Apr 05 21:39:20 prpplague: Actually it was the colour that made me want to keep my eyes closed. Apr 05 21:40:36 comradekingu: if you could get your ultimate OMAP4 board what would be? Apr 05 21:41:09 Pandora? Apr 05 21:41:39 no, thats OMAP3 Apr 05 21:42:33 comradekingu: i mean feature wise, is a case really that important ? Apr 05 21:43:37 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Wonderswan_color-JD.jpg Apr 05 21:45:16 Feature wise id like displayport, other than that just the usual stuff Apr 05 21:46:14 comradekingu: what type? Apr 05 21:47:02 My ultimate ARM device of any sort: take HP Mini 5102, stick a 1.2GHz ARM in it, and have open graphics (or at least closed graphics with build scripts that don't suck). Apr 05 21:47:17 "suck" being "tries to 'make clean' on a target workdir that doesn't exist". Apr 05 21:47:41 DanaG: hehe, trustme i know all too well Apr 05 21:47:49 common them here is having a case Apr 05 21:47:54 prpplague: From what i remember the only useful feature of DP 1.2 was daisy-chaining displays Apr 05 21:48:08 comradekingu: hdmi? Apr 05 21:48:09 The PowerVR stuff makes NV installer look "wonderful", in comparison. Apr 05 21:48:13 comradekingu: dvi-i ? Apr 05 21:50:18 prpplague: Rather save the cash for something cool Apr 05 21:50:41 comradekingu: ?? Apr 05 21:50:50 Ultimate has to be unencumbered by lousy standards imo Apr 05 21:51:02 comradekingu: which standard is lousy? Apr 05 21:51:07 hdmi Apr 05 21:51:18 comradekingu: interesting Apr 05 21:53:34 Someone over at the hdmi consortium envisioned i would want to buy a 250$ soundcard to send undecoded audio to a reciever, a task which can only be done by one special release of a proprietary app on a proprietary system. Apr 05 21:54:17 They can keep all their 8CH audio for all i care, i wont support it. Apr 05 21:54:36 I'd rather just have a good sound card in the PC. Apr 05 21:55:02 And a decent set of speakers (my Logitech Z-5300 are decent, once you turn the sub on its side so the port sits against carpet). Apr 05 22:47:34 plars, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/linux-image-2.6.33-500-omap_2.6.33-500.4_armel.deb that has the USB patch from the bug, please test and comment on the bug Apr 05 23:54:33 ogra: sorry, was away... will test tonight if you haven't already Apr 05 23:57:26 plars: I haven't had time to look at the straces for the PA bug; when you run using sudo, what's holding /dev/snd/* open? (sudo fuser -v /dev/snd/*) Apr 06 01:49:41 apologies if this question was posted before; my cable just went out. anyone have any issues setting up sudo/su on rootstock? Apr 06 01:50:31 peterkirn, what's it not doing? Apr 06 01:52:19 well, when I created the root file system, I set up flags for userid and pwd. those work to login, but the pwd fails on su - and sudo returns no root privs Apr 06 01:53:32 that is, sudo rootstock with flags --login userid --password pwd to create the image Apr 06 01:55:13 that's strange... it worked for me with an image last week.. rootstock sets up the defined user with sudo privledges... Apr 06 01:56:09 su returns an authentication error for that password; sudo returns "must be setuid root" Apr 06 01:58:11 "/usr/bin/sudo" is root:root... that's right, yes? Apr 06 01:58:28 that's strange... i had a user with the same issue on the beagleboard forum today,... Apr 06 01:58:39 digs for the link.. Apr 06 01:59:29 yeah, this is a hawkboard. ;) of course, could be our lack of experience (I'm not completely green, but...) Apr 06 01:59:34 it was thisone: http://groups.google.com/group/beagleboard/browse_thread/thread/a2eea0446fab84ce/3ff6c6f16fce7874?lnk=gst&q=sudo#3ff6c6f16fce7874 that's two in a row... Apr 06 02:00:32 he was using karmic, and your using jaunty.... different versions of sudo.. Apr 06 02:01:31 did you 'sudo tar xjfp' when you extracted the file system? Apr 06 02:01:36 reading, thanks! well, I think the hawkboard is so far happy only with jaunty. I am building jaunty under karmic rootstock, though. Apr 06 02:02:12 sudo tar xfp, yes Apr 06 02:02:15 yeah that should be fine.. running lucid... Apr 06 02:02:51 stumped.. same problem, no connection, he used my demo image and your using rootstock... Apr 06 02:03:34 if it keeps happening i'd file a bug with rootstock... Apr 06 02:04:42 I got even more aggressive, tried chmod 777 for the whole stick Apr 06 02:05:23 anything else to try, in the meantime? Apr 06 02:06:12 give one of my ancient builds a try, it works for a year on the beagle: http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/ubuntu-9.04-minimal-armel.tar.7z Apr 06 02:06:48 user: ubuntu pass: temppwd just add your own hawkboard kernel.. Apr 06 02:06:49 I'll try chmod chown on sudo again, too, apparently sometimes repeat goes at it help Apr 06 02:07:36 you might have to set the permissions from your other pc.. Apr 06 02:07:59 yep, will give that a try, too. what size is it? glad I had my droid handy during yet another internet outage on timewarner. ;) Apr 06 02:08:10 thanks! Apr 06 02:08:25 it's 66Mb.. just a simple console demo image... Apr 06 02:09:03 ok, great. will let you know what happens and see if it makes sense to open a ticket. Apr 06 02:09:35 i built that image with build-arm-rootfs so we might be seeing a regression.. Apr 06 02:10:59 yeah; I will definitely compare results with each Apr 06 02:12:42 ah, that's weird. Apr 06 02:13:35 if I sudo chmod 4111 /usr/bin/sudo on my pc, I get must be setuid root Apr 06 02:15:14 I've encountered this before, when a filesystem was copied to VFAT, and then copied to something sane again. Apr 06 02:15:31 Dunno if that is the cause this time, but ... Apr 06 02:16:08 hmm, interesting. well, for me, only ext3 Apr 06 02:16:26 Then definitely a different issue. Apr 06 02:18:36 i think it's just somethign with today, another user on the beagleboard group is having login problem with gdm in lucid... Apr 06 02:18:45 ah, must be I actually have something screwy on this karmic laptop. on my fedora machine, no problem. Apr 06 02:19:25 there was that big magnetic storm today. ;) okay, now seeing if it works booting on the hawkboard. Apr 06 02:22:35 but, yes, that'd explain it... it simply inherited the permissions problem from this laptop. Apr 06 02:31:47 hmmm, that didn't help with the issue, but I'll take some time and try with the other image. Apr 06 02:50:04 rcn-ee: hi, was looking at bug 541030, perhaps I'm looking at a different tree but I don't find a commit b586f759f4dda7622a90f68c9c05424e777b8b2b that you reference in there, which tree are you looking at, and what is that changeset doing that you revert? Apr 06 02:50:06 Launchpad bug 541030 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 1 other project) "omap kernel musb/ehci ports not enabled on beagleboard (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/541030 Apr 06 02:51:35 Hi plars, i've narrowed that commit down some more, i'll push a couple more notes... that commit is: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=commit;h=b586f759f4dda7622a90f68c9c05424e777b8b2b Apr 06 02:51:51 it's in the ti-omap branch... Apr 06 02:52:09 rcn-ee: ah, I see, thanks! Apr 06 02:52:44 no problem.. it's a fun CONFIG, since enable a couple options waterfalls more, so lots of tweaks.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Apr 06 02:59:56 2010