**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 24 02:59:56 2010 Apr 24 06:15:45 mmmmm, segfaultilicious Apr 24 06:16:06 debootstrap'ing lucid in qemu now results in segfaults instead of hangs :p Apr 24 06:28:29 segfaults.. C's way of reporting errors to the user :) Apr 24 06:33:03 if it's actually segfaulting instead of hanging, I'm happy :p Apr 24 06:33:16 if it's just segfaulting before it gets to the point at which it used to hang, I'm not so happy Apr 24 06:33:51 segfaults: C's way of saying "I love you" Apr 24 06:34:02 "spend more time with me" Apr 24 06:34:09 "why don't you ever call anymore?" Apr 24 06:38:36 :) Apr 24 06:41:28 I was about to draw a bunch of parallels between c and one's psycho ex-girlfriend, but it might be hitting too close to home Apr 24 06:49:57 dunno, my experience is on the C side only Apr 24 06:50:04 and I think I'm fine with that Apr 24 07:48:28 Hi, I don't understend, there is no way to compile the kernel with OHCI-1394 support? that is strange ... Apr 24 07:49:16 is it true for all the beagleboard distro ? or can I find one with this modules on the kernel ? Apr 24 08:08:00 hmm, how do you propose to get firewire on a beagle? Apr 24 08:09:35 lost of soldering ? Apr 24 08:09:39 *lots Apr 24 08:09:47 wouldn't be all that much, no? Apr 24 08:10:09 I'm sure dlp has a nice easy to use module Apr 24 08:10:24 er, ftdi Apr 24 08:10:27 well, i'd use some USB adapter Apr 24 08:10:34 likely the easiest Apr 24 08:10:50 and probably evan already supported by the ubuntu default kernel Apr 24 08:11:03 if not, dkms is your friend ;) Apr 24 08:22:25 USB to firewire? there's not such a thing. Or at least, not one that can do general-purpose firewire. Apr 24 08:55:49 DanaG, http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-527950.html Apr 24 08:55:55 oh, he's gone Apr 24 09:01:30 Hello all Apr 24 09:18:01 he'll be back Apr 24 09:32:25 ogra_cmpc, was that you I was talking to the other day about lucid not installing in qemu? Apr 24 09:45:25 cwillu_at_work, if i talked about it then only in connection with rootstock, i guess it was rather lool, he does std. installs in qemu Apr 24 09:46:02 though he focuses on aemu-maemo atm afaik Apr 24 09:46:10 *qemu-maemo Apr 24 11:54:30 Hi, what do i need for lan connection via the usb? Apr 24 12:02:44 I'm trying to be able to login as root on my system, but after changing the root's password, I get "You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)" Apr 24 12:03:30 Then I (by mistake) changed the password for the ordinary user, and the same message appears for that user Apr 24 12:07:33 samuel_Sayag: You need a USB LAN device. Your life will be easier if it is known to be supported in Ubuntu (but this is hard to discover: you probably want to make sure it's supported in the upstream kernel) Apr 24 12:07:59 sveinse: You hit the clock bug. Set the system clock to something closer to real time. Apr 24 12:08:06 It happens when the target system clock is out-of-sync with the real clock Apr 24 12:08:12 persia: Yes, so I figured Apr 24 12:09:04 persia, Thanks Apr 24 12:09:15 I believe it only happens when the system clock is set to some time prior to the timestamp of the shadow file, but then again, my knowledge of that bug comes from listening to a couple people talk about it in a hotel room many months ago :) Apr 24 12:10:41 That said, because of the some-systems-don't-have-battery-backed-clocks-and-can't-get-network-to-get-real-time-until-post-login issue, it's worth tracking down the bug, and investigating what other options are available to address the reason the check is present without cauing it to happen for everyone who has a failed/incorrect RTC. Apr 24 12:11:19 persia: It is a good theory for my system. You see, I use NFS as rootfs, so the files will probably be timestamped with the host time. When the arm target is living in the 1970s you get these kind of errors Apr 24 12:12:02 If possible, prefer boards with battery-backed RTCs :) Apr 24 12:12:40 * persia believes this to be a hardware issue, but is amenable to software workarounds. Apr 24 12:15:22 wee plymouth SEGV Apr 24 12:18:20 wow adding text + nosplash actually turns on the output Apr 24 12:20:50 persia: Turns out it's not the kernel turning graphics on! Apr 24 12:21:09 lool: What does it then? Apr 24 12:21:25 Does plymouth reprobe directly? Is that why it build-deps on libdrm? Apr 24 12:21:50 I didn't find out yet, but init=/bin/sh doesn't turn it on Apr 24 12:23:24 Cool. That makes it easier. Apr 24 12:25:06 * NCommander waves Apr 24 12:25:08 except I'm still fighting to get any sort of console Apr 24 12:34:46 Gah, the cloud*.conf scripts were hanging Apr 24 17:37:58 eero heinäluoma on käynyt kaivamassa isoisän urlimuseosta kommenttia joilla kosiskella nuivia äänestämään sdp:tä Apr 24 17:38:27 "ne vie meidän työttämien työpaikat" Apr 24 17:38:53 that's a lot of finnish Apr 24 17:38:54 :P Apr 24 17:39:13 oops, wrong channel :P Apr 24 18:08:35 lol Apr 25 00:00:18 ogra: are you there? Apr 25 00:03:12 someonte interested in a pre-built VM of Ubuntu karmic to compile/build/whatever your projects? Apr 25 00:03:16 *someone Apr 25 00:04:16 :S Apr 25 00:05:16 if someone wants it Apr 25 00:05:25 there is http://w3.impa.br/~gabrield/data/ubuntu-arm-development-rootfs.tar.bz2 Apr 25 00:05:59 enjoy Apr 25 02:18:30 Nice work on getting beagle going, guys. Apr 25 02:19:09 Since OMAP can handle multi-board kernels, are there any plans on enabling some of the other options? ZOOM2/3 and gumstix are the ones that come to mind. And/or who should I hassle about defconfig updates on those? :) Apr 25 02:19:24 s/on those/for those/ Apr 25 02:35:49 ojn : You back in town? Apr 25 02:35:58 _and_ are you going to Brussels? Apr 25 02:38:34 Martyn: I am out in CA and no, I don't think I am going to Brussels. Apr 25 02:39:10 crap Apr 25 02:39:26 Well, perhaps I'll get lucky and get a hold of a lange debug cable out at UDS Apr 25 02:39:37 I'll be back on Friday. When is UDS? Apr 25 02:39:52 Yes .. I'm _still_ trying to reflash that damned lange board, even though I have three tegra2 boards, and more Cortex-A9 action than a small manufacturer Apr 25 02:40:09 I'll be out in europe from May 6 - 17th Apr 25 02:40:43 'k. I can probably drop something off (in NORTH austin) on the weekend. I don't know if I'm just home over the weekend or for the week yet. Too hard to plan much right now, given recent events Apr 25 02:44:15 Martyn: Why are you picking up competitor's boards, btw? I thought you guys were developing your own SoC? Or have you switched to a plan B? Apr 25 02:45:12 Because I hack them apart, and turn them into what I need Apr 25 02:45:17 and I learn from them, of course Apr 25 02:45:23 Making linux better, faster, harder. Apr 25 02:45:32 (and in our case, much more power efficient on servers) Apr 25 02:45:54 nVidia is the first good example (tegra250) of a low power consumption A9 .. in a good process (45nm) Apr 25 02:46:27 I also recently got a quad-core A9 board from (undisclosable company) Apr 25 02:46:50 Yeah, ok. It's just been my experience in the past that competing vendors are less than excited to sell you eval boards if you're going to compete. I guess you're aiming for different markets so they might be less restrictive. Apr 25 02:46:54 and that thing was made at Global Foundries .. in the 28nm process. I think thats the way ARM chips will have to go. 2Ghz Apr 25 02:47:04 yeah, they don't care Apr 25 02:47:18 Or care much. Also there are strategic alliances between our company and ARM that smooth the way Apr 25 02:47:45 Yeah, it's a bit different than the PPC landscape Apr 25 02:47:51 more small players too Apr 25 02:47:52 etc **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 25 02:59:56 2010