**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 28 02:59:56 2010 Apr 28 03:21:48 hmm, now how do I make the beagle use the flashkernel kernel? Apr 28 03:24:26 And what bootargs does it want? Apr 28 03:40:54 DanaG: flash-kernel *should* write the kernel to the SD card and set the bootargs. Which bit isn't working? Apr 28 03:41:33 Hmm, does it write to SD, or to NAND, or both? Apr 28 03:42:20 * persia checks, but thought it wrote to SD Apr 28 03:43:39 Can't find /boot/vmlinuz---help and /boot/initrd.img---help Apr 28 03:43:41 HAR. Apr 28 03:44:21 Seems to be NAND only, actually. Apr 28 03:45:05 Aha! That's a different issue. Apr 28 03:57:17 I looked in flash kernel, and don't see where it sets boot args. Apr 28 03:58:20 Neither do I, really. Apr 28 03:59:11 TO me it looks like it runs mkimage, adn then copies the result. Apr 28 07:02:58 morning Apr 28 07:41:49 lool, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rootstock/+bug/570588/comments/6 do you have any idea about that one ? Apr 28 07:41:54 Launchpad bug 570588 in rootstock (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "/usr/bin/rootstock: line 195: 13642 Segmentation fault qemu-system-arm $QEMUOPTS -append "${APPEND}" > $QEMUFIFO 2>&1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] Apr 28 07:43:26 * ogra hasnt seen anything like that Apr 28 08:29:45 ogra: Hey Apr 28 08:29:54 ho Apr 28 08:30:07 ogra: Just FYI I tested the lucid omap image on my beagleboard and it didn't boot Apr 28 08:30:18 I think the boot script uses the source command which I dont have support for in the default u-boot Apr 28 08:30:32 ugh, thats a C4 ? Apr 28 08:30:42 yes Apr 28 08:30:53 I dont think I ever replaced the u-boot in flash Apr 28 08:31:00 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetbookInstall should work then Apr 28 08:31:13 i'm sure all C4 u-boots have hush shell support Apr 28 08:31:16 I actually have a box of c4s here Apr 28 08:31:48 * ogra just looks at http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-12454-321959-338927-3640405-4063703.html Apr 28 08:32:15 HP does a very good job of not giving *any* info about the marvell CPU used in these devices Apr 28 08:33:04 Marvel armv7a lacks neon Apr 28 08:33:05 lool, can you try the stuff under "Preparation work" wrt uboot on the wikipage Apr 28 08:33:31 hrw, yes, but we have armada/dove support while we dont have kirkwood support in ubuntu Apr 28 08:33:31 lool: which uboot ver you have on c4? Apr 28 08:34:08 that device might make a nice dev platform if it would be dove Apr 28 08:36:04 this is not a kirkwood I think. Apr 28 08:36:15 never herd of kirkwood with gfx inside Apr 28 08:36:24 well, i would expect the same regarding the 1.2GHz Apr 28 08:36:25 ogra: sorry, it's a C3 not a C4 Apr 28 08:36:34 I have C4 here with which we will try Apr 28 08:36:35 openrd-base/client uses XGI chipset for video Apr 28 08:36:40 but there is no concrete doc that tells anything about the CPU at all Apr 28 08:37:59 armada 100/500/1000 fits Apr 28 08:38:13 lool, C4 should work out of the box ... though note that flash-kernel rewrites the uboot config and there is no "restore" command (i didnt have teh time to rewrite it to use teh existing u-boot vars, i'll do that for 10.0+), better save the printenv output if you want to restore Apr 28 08:39:47 * ogra will add fw_backup_env and fw_restore_env commands to uboot-envtools on 10.10 Apr 28 08:40:54 ogra: newegg has them cheaper: http://www.biz.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859105659 Apr 28 08:41:12 hrw: iirc that hp is essentially openrd-client Apr 28 08:41:41 suihkulokki: but openrd-client has separate videoram iirc Apr 28 08:42:17 hrw: like that hp has Apr 28 08:42:27 heh, "you save $20" ... "shipping costs $10" Apr 28 08:42:36 funny Apr 28 08:43:27 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-t5745-and-HP-t5325/ says kirkwood Apr 28 08:44:01 http://my.opera.com/bhtooefr/blog/hp-t5325-thin-client-risc-os-and-maybe-combining-the-two-or-just-running-linu Apr 28 08:44:08 includes link to dmesg Apr 28 08:44:44 1.2 GHz Marvell 88F6281 Kirkwood SoC aha Apr 28 08:45:04 so its a sheeva on steroids Apr 28 08:45:57 not ubuntu then :/ Apr 28 08:46:50 yep Apr 28 08:47:46 ogra and hrw, mouser cancelled our order for beagle board Apr 28 08:48:03 who is mouser ? Apr 28 08:48:08 because they cannot ship it to china due to some US export law Apr 28 08:48:13 bah Apr 28 08:48:28 or mouser is a similar courier like digikey Apr 28 08:48:34 or distributor Apr 28 08:48:59 cant they ship it to europe/us office and then let company take care of it? Apr 28 08:58:17 cooloney, if you'd like to I can try to arrange you cheap cm-t35 (http://compulab.co.il/t3530/html/t3530-cm-datasheet.htm Apr 28 08:59:17 Mike^: oh, man, that is nice Apr 28 08:59:24 err Apr 28 08:59:42 note that the only omap we dont support is the cm-t35 Apr 28 08:59:51 (in the omap3 series) Apr 28 09:00:27 ogra, right :) great thanks :) Apr 28 09:00:32 Mike^: as ogra said, we can ramp up ubuntu on cm-t35 Apr 28 09:00:50 http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/unleash-the-beagles/#comment-246 Apr 28 09:01:01 * ogra just was pointed to the fact a minute ago Apr 28 09:01:22 i'll have to ask amit why he didnt enable it, i guess he had reasons for it Apr 28 09:01:48 ogra, maybe becase it has display support merged after 2.6.33 Apr 28 09:01:59 ah, yeah, that might be Apr 28 09:02:20 an i guess it doesnt come with the 256M it supports by default, does it ? Apr 28 09:03:00 amitk, heh, speaking of the devil Apr 28 09:03:08 amitk, http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/unleash-the-beagles/#comment-246 Apr 28 09:03:16 ogra, it has 256M by default Apr 28 09:03:27 ah, the spec says 64-256 Apr 28 09:03:33 but can be assmebled with 64 and 128 if the customer will ask Apr 28 09:03:38 ok Apr 28 09:04:12 ogra, possible display is not the issue, because e.g iegp2 has no display either in 2.6.33... Apr 28 09:04:18 Mike^: is there any big difference between cm-t35 and beagle board? Apr 28 09:04:45 maybe kernel is not a big problem, Apr 28 09:04:55 ubuntu needs display, right? Apr 28 09:05:10 depends what you want to do with it :) Apr 28 09:05:25 we have netinstall and server images for omap to use it headless Apr 28 09:05:39 cooloney: t35 has TPS69030 instead of TWL4030 that beagle has, but on the other side it has on-board wifi and Ethernet :) Apr 28 09:05:51 ogra: I know about it, there's some bug with the alsa init in the CM_T35 board, making the driver modular doesn't work. So I had to remove it completely. Apr 28 09:06:03 amitk, mind to comment ? Apr 28 09:06:07 If someone has a fix, I'll take it. Else I'll need some time to fix it Apr 28 09:06:09 Mike^: yeah, that is better, i think Apr 28 09:06:35 amitk: i think Mike^ is the man Apr 28 09:06:58 Mike^: tps69xxx and twl4030 use same drivers Apr 28 09:08:27 hwr, right, but tps69030 has less features than twl4030 Apr 28 09:11:22 cooloney: I'll talk to our sales guys and send you an e-mail after that Apr 28 09:11:48 amitk: do you remember what was the bug with audio? Apr 28 09:14:44 * XorA|gone points to the ASoC maintainer sitting on this channel :-) Apr 28 09:15:24 ;DD Apr 28 09:17:44 ogra: sorry, got distracted, machine crashed and more Apr 28 09:17:52 ouch Apr 28 09:17:53 ogra: So my board doesn't boot of the box with the lucid image Apr 28 09:17:58 but a C4 out of digikey does Apr 28 09:18:01 ogra: So you're all good Apr 28 09:18:05 It's probably specific to C3 Apr 28 09:18:11 older u-boot or so Apr 28 09:18:23 lool, and for your board, just look at boot.scr and type the commands on the uboot prompt :) Apr 28 09:18:50 ogra: Well ISTR it was "source" failing Apr 28 09:18:54 right, i'll write the flash-uboot-x-loader wikipage today :) Apr 28 09:19:09 so you can upgrade if you want to Apr 28 09:19:23 ogra: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/README.txt is good base for it Apr 28 09:19:28 luckily we dont need hush shell support in our setup Apr 28 09:20:04 hrw, hmm, for the variant on the prompt at least, i aslo want to do it from a running system Apr 28 09:20:14 Mike^: thanks a lot, man. heh Apr 28 09:21:04 but first i have to test server and netinst images :) Apr 28 09:25:13 lool, btw, did you see my ping from this morning ? Apr 28 09:25:23 ogra> lool, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rootstock/+bug/570588/comments/6 do you have any idea about that one ? Apr 28 09:25:25 Launchpad bug 570588 in rootstock (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "/usr/bin/rootstock: line 195: 13642 Segmentation fault qemu-system-arm $QEMUOPTS -append "${APPEND}" > $QEMUFIFO 2>&1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] Apr 28 09:25:39 i have never seen something like that Apr 28 09:33:08 ogra: that rings a bell Apr 28 09:33:20 looks very scary Apr 28 09:33:51 ogra: what's triggering this? Apr 28 09:33:53 which command? Apr 28 09:34:07 ogra: can you remind me rootstock page? I will try Apr 28 09:34:16 seems its the start of the VM Apr 28 09:34:28 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch Apr 28 09:35:08 note that he uses a script with bashisms (i have an SRU already for that, didnt notice when i merged the patch) but thats shouldnt affect anything at that point Apr 28 09:35:44 (it causes the "...initrd.img-*': No such file or directory") Apr 28 09:36:56 time to install lucid in VM Apr 28 09:37:33 time to install lucid on your beagles ! Apr 28 09:38:02 * ogra still doesnt see many omap related bugs ... i would expect more Apr 28 09:38:35 ogra: my C3 refuses to see usb devices Apr 28 09:38:42 install to SD :) Apr 28 09:38:49 the netinstall offers that Apr 28 09:38:56 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall Apr 28 09:39:29 heh, first requirement on that page is a usb device Apr 28 09:39:34 * XorA offers ogra more coffee Apr 28 09:39:46 *slurp* Apr 28 09:40:01 ok, you need a NIC ... indeed Apr 28 09:40:05 * ogra slaps forehead Apr 28 09:40:48 and it has "attach keyboard" Apr 28 09:41:05 well, you can change the comdline in boot.scr and use serial Apr 28 09:41:23 but no NIC is indeed a showstopper for a netinstall Apr 28 09:41:49 I have 3 dm9601 usb network adapters Apr 28 09:41:55 someone hurry up and patch the kernel with zippy support :-) Apr 28 09:42:06 send beer to amitk :) Apr 28 09:42:31 ogra: and zippy2 Apr 28 09:42:41 send more beer to amitk :) Apr 28 09:42:53 Mike^: we had some problems booting beagle with CONFIG_OMAP_MUX. But CM_T32 depends on it. So we had to unfortunately disable the board. I hope to re-add that support sometime... Apr 28 09:43:16 although I can do what I did for zoom2 and boot lucid off the Angstrom kernel Apr 28 09:43:42 sure, you just lose all upgradeability Apr 28 09:44:24 but gain a lot of features Apr 28 09:45:58 might be but you might be screwed at some point using dist-upgrade Apr 28 09:46:10 depends how you installed Apr 28 09:46:39 well with no working USB Ive only got one choice to install and that rootstock with minimal image Apr 28 09:46:42 lunch Apr 28 09:46:51 JaMa: you here too? Apr 28 09:47:07 * hrw checks again... this is not #oe channel? Apr 28 09:47:16 XorA, yeah, that wont set up the kernel or initramfs Apr 28 09:47:50 initramfs seems to be optional Apr 28 09:48:01 its not Apr 28 09:48:26 ogra: I dont think the bashisms are the issue though :-) Apr 28 09:48:29 make sure to never install encryptfs relared stuff :) Apr 28 09:48:36 lool, no, i just wanted to mention it Apr 28 09:48:53 Ok Apr 28 09:49:02 I'm afraid my qemu time shrunk considerably as of late Apr 28 09:49:05 since it spills an additional error in the log Apr 28 09:49:28 lool, forever or just because of release ? Apr 28 09:49:45 i thought its among your new responsibilities to care for virtualization Apr 28 09:50:17 XorA: There is a boot bug due to audio init here. And the driver can't be modular. The real fix is to move the omap_ctrl_* calls to the clock framework, IMO. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap/+bug/556482 Apr 28 09:50:22 Launchpad bug 556482 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "kernel crash when booting on AM3517-EVM (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Fix released] Apr 28 09:50:23 x86(-64) installer for lucid is nice Apr 28 09:50:53 amitk: prod lrg about that Apr 28 09:50:55 hrw, its the same as for ARM ... Apr 28 09:51:04 amitk: he is ASoC maintainer and inventor Apr 28 09:51:16 ogra: so far I did not had occasion to do anything with arm one Apr 28 09:51:26 ah Apr 28 09:51:58 XorA: aah, right. I think I met lrg at Plumbers Conf last year Apr 28 09:52:10 ah those good times when ASoC meant WM8xxx/WM9xxx chips used in zaurus devices Apr 28 09:52:14 amitk: he was there Apr 28 09:55:21 ogra: i've tried netinstall yesterday and it crashed telling something like "no more free space" during packages install Apr 28 09:55:49 Mike^, what task did you select ? and how big was your disk ? Apr 28 09:56:32 ogra, it was before task selection, as far as I understand it was during debootstrap Apr 28 09:56:33 (for a netbook task you should use 4G or more, minimal should have around 500MB at least) Apr 28 09:56:58 oh, weird Apr 28 09:57:07 how big was your disk then ? Apr 28 09:57:16 a have 80G usb disk :) Apr 28 09:57:24 hmm, that should be plenty Apr 28 09:57:35 having a bug with the installer logs would be helpful Apr 28 09:57:53 amitk: the [ 675.154052] Failed to add route LOUT->Line Out suggests the machine driver needs updating too Apr 28 09:57:55 ogra, i'll try :) Apr 28 09:57:59 though if your HW isnt supported in the kernel it might be related Apr 28 09:58:29 ogra, I've added my hw to the kernel I use for boot. And netbook mix works Ok Apr 28 09:58:41 hmm, k Apr 28 09:59:30 it might be d-i that needs to know about your HW too Apr 28 10:00:03 the archdetect command is used in many places in d-i and it gets its info from the Hardware line of 7proc/cpuinfo Apr 28 10:00:59 though "no more free space" is a weird error Apr 28 10:01:20 i can imagine it doesnt know what kernel to select if your board isnt in archdetect Apr 28 10:01:39 but that would be a different error msg Apr 28 10:01:52 ogra, I don't remember exactly, I'm going to retry now and see what's going on there Apr 28 10:02:02 * Mike^ running Lucid netinstall Apr 28 10:02:17 tty4 has the log btw Apr 28 10:05:34 * ogra notices the time and considers some breakfast Apr 28 10:05:38 bbl Apr 28 10:05:53 lrg: ok, I'm not an audio expert. I'll fix the driver to be modular and then ping you for help. Apr 28 10:29:28 persia: ping Apr 28 10:29:40 saeed: What's up? Apr 28 10:30:10 persia: hi there Apr 28 10:30:23 perisa: I tried to install openswan Apr 28 10:30:47 but it never finish after doing the "Setting up .." Apr 28 10:32:26 saeed: You you ran `apt-get install openswan` and it never took you through the certificate setup? Apr 28 10:32:48 it did Apr 28 10:33:05 OK. At what point isn't it working for you, precisely? Apr 28 10:35:00 the apt-get install hangs after printing "Setting up openswan " Apr 28 10:36:50 I'm confused. When I install, I get debconf prompts for the certificate setup after "Setting up openswan". Apr 28 10:37:29 And you say you got that, but also that it hangs at that point. Could you paste a log or similar? Apr 28 10:39:07 persia: I've killed it. I'll retry and send you the log Apr 28 10:47:51 perisa: I'm in deadlock, I can't remove or purge openswan as dpkg is interrupted and I must run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" Apr 28 10:48:20 OK. What happens when you run `dpkg --configure -a`? Apr 28 10:48:22 but then that will try to resume the openswan installation which hangs again Apr 28 10:49:54 saeed: Well, let's see if debugging helps :) Try adding "set -x" near the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/openswan.postinst Apr 28 10:49:56 ogra: The netinstall seems to work now. Probably I've run it last time without the USB disk and MMC card has exploded. So, no bug report for now :) Apr 28 10:50:07 oki :) Apr 28 10:54:51 persia: apt-get remove worked, I tried also purge then re-install, it hangs before reaching the configuration setup Apr 28 10:55:02 CTRL+C doesn't help as well Apr 28 10:56:50 So, if you purged, did it go through the certificate wizard this time again? Apr 28 10:58:04 no Apr 28 10:58:14 But it did last time? Apr 28 10:58:40 the openswan install hangs at :/usr/lib/ipsec/rsasigkey 2048 Apr 28 10:59:27 OK. What happens if you try to run that directly, rather than as part of the postinst? Apr 28 10:59:36 I tried strace /usr/lib/ipsec/rsasigkey 2048 Apr 28 11:00:03 and it wait on /dev/random Apr 28 11:00:12 when I move the mouse Apr 28 11:00:29 I can see that it succeeded to read few bytes Apr 28 11:00:43 it seems I have no enough random devices on dove Apr 28 11:00:59 Do you have a TPM or RNG on the board? Apr 28 11:01:37 no Apr 28 11:02:08 we don't have random generation device Apr 28 11:02:08 Yeah, other than that you're stuck with disk read timings, keypress timings, mouse movements, and network checksums, which may not be much at all :( Apr 28 11:03:15 Sometimes running `find / -name *gz -exec gzcat {} > /dev/null;` or similar can help, as it generates lots of IO. Apr 28 11:03:25 Or start a torrent. Apr 28 11:06:37 persia: sometimes my system boots with network disabled Apr 28 11:07:18 I notices those errors on dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/423915/ Apr 28 11:07:32 That's unexpected. Apr 28 11:08:05 Isn't that just the app_armour profiles? I think that's normal. Apr 28 11:08:23 I'm unsure why that would disable your network though. Apr 28 12:08:04 minimal ubuntu image is huge Apr 28 12:08:28 compared to ? Apr 28 12:08:35 OE ones/ Apr 28 12:08:37 ? Apr 28 12:09:12 thats because ubuntu isnt optimized for embedded Apr 28 12:09:39 I know Apr 28 12:09:48 debian isnt much smaller Apr 28 12:09:56 and i doubt fedora or opensuse are Apr 28 12:10:00 but would be nice to fit in 256MB nand on beagle for example Apr 28 12:10:13 you can surely achieve that Apr 28 12:10:51 rip out the x86 specific parts, remove all docs etc Apr 28 12:11:05 i guess that would get you to around 100M Apr 28 12:11:16 drop python/perl if possible Apr 28 12:11:23 you shouldnt Apr 28 12:11:36 *if possible* Apr 28 12:11:49 python is an essential piece of ubuntu, many ubuntu specific apps use python Apr 28 12:12:10 (tha majority of ubuntu development is done in python) Apr 28 12:12:35 and perl is historically used in many apps Apr 28 12:18:06 You should be able to get minimal in 256MB *easy* Apr 28 12:18:48 270MB is so far what I have Apr 28 12:19:14 Try --no-install-recommends Apr 28 12:19:29 237MB after cleaning /var/lib/apt/lists/ Apr 28 12:19:35 Also, use a compressing filesystem on your NAND (e.g. ubifs) Apr 28 12:20:15 let me first check what can be safely removed Apr 28 12:24:51 hrw, /usr/share/doc ... /usr/share/man Apr 28 12:25:16 and as persia mentioned, avoid all recommends Apr 28 12:25:28 /usr/share/{x11,locale,doc,man} Apr 28 12:25:44 hrw: Really, it's easier to start over. Do your initial install without recommends. Apr 28 12:25:51 sure Apr 28 12:27:02 ogra@osiris:~$ sudo du -chs /var/build/lucid-arm-chroot/ Apr 28 12:27:02 245M /var/build/lucid-arm-chroot/ Apr 28 12:27:03 hmm Apr 28 12:27:23 thats with nothing cleaned, plain debootstrapped chroot Apr 28 12:27:50 with or without recommends? Apr 28 12:28:07 just plain qe,u-debootstrap Apr 28 12:28:09 * persia ended up with *exim4* in a sid chroot recently by not remembering to adjust this. Apr 28 12:28:11 *qemu Apr 28 12:28:20 Right. By default, it includes recommends. Apr 28 12:28:46 debootstrap ? Apr 28 12:28:59 Yep. Apr 28 12:29:28 At least when I debootstrapped sid a few days ago, I ended up with recommends. I haven't debootstrapped lucid in a few weeks. Apr 28 12:29:58 Actually, I might have done it only a week ago, but I didn't check for recommends then. Apr 28 12:30:00 hmm, minibase should solve that Apr 28 12:30:38 my new laptop is in delivery ;d Apr 28 12:31:59 ogra: sid debootstarp is 159M after rm /var/cache/apt/* Apr 28 12:32:24 Mike^, that doesnt gain you much ... you will at least need to keep the package lists there Apr 28 12:32:35 (and apt-get update will recreate them) Apr 28 12:33:06 unless you dont plan to do anything with the system :) Apr 28 12:33:12 ncdu is nice tool to check space used Apr 28 12:33:13 ogra: it's with the lists, just without *debs Apr 28 12:33:30 Mike^: 'apt-get clean' is better way Apr 28 12:33:43 yeah Apr 28 12:33:53 ogra: in embedded one usually doesn't do 'apt-get something' Apr 28 12:35:01 hrw: it was a quick test, and 'rm ' is faster than 'chroot /home/mike/arm/sid apt-get clean' Apr 28 12:35:06 yep Apr 28 12:35:17 ogra@osiris:/var/build$ sudo du -chs /var/build/lucid-minimal/ Apr 28 12:35:17 138M /var/build/lucid-minimal/ Apr 28 12:35:26 lucid wins :) Apr 28 12:35:30 using: sudo qemu-debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=minbase lucid lucid-minimal Apr 28 12:36:07 no idea if thats bootable though :) Apr 28 12:36:18 hrw: the best I had with sid is ~350M with gdm and e17 Apr 28 12:37:28 ogra: most probably yes, the question if it's usable :) Apr 28 12:37:40 if it boots to a shell it will be :) Apr 28 12:39:03 for basic arm devel rootfs I would like to have few extras like evtest, tslib-bin Apr 28 12:40:01 well, that probably gets you to 150M Apr 28 12:40:35 And the budget is probaly ~400MB if you use ubifs Apr 28 12:41:04 less if you use squashfs/tmpfs and aufs Apr 28 12:41:11 like 50M or so Apr 28 12:41:35 butu indeed that eats your ram Apr 28 12:41:38 *but Apr 28 12:41:45 And isn't persistent. Apr 28 12:41:53 And isn't optimised for NAND. Apr 28 12:41:59 you could have two partitions :) Apr 28 12:42:00 * persia stops adding to the list Apr 28 12:42:08 one ubi one squash Apr 28 12:42:18 rw goes to ubi Apr 28 12:42:47 Why not just stick a squash image in the ubifs if you want to play that way: easier. Still, no benefits from double-compression. Apr 28 12:43:03 oh, indeed Apr 28 12:43:17 i didnt think about stacking Apr 28 13:03:50 someone remember why 'make' is important? Apr 28 13:04:47 pfft, no need for make in shellscripts :P Apr 28 13:05:06 and dash is so tiny and fast Apr 28 13:05:26 but we got make by default Apr 28 13:05:36 So we can build drivers if neceesary. Apr 28 13:05:46 Some folk can't access the network until they do some DKMS magic. Apr 28 13:06:04 Oh, and some stuff is implemented in make (it's a fine scripting language) Apr 28 13:07:49 ogra: I'm not in charge of virtualization as a whole, no Apr 28 13:07:56 to be safely removed: aptitude with deps - 12MB Apr 28 13:08:12 lool, wrt arm indeed Apr 28 13:08:30 hrw, aptitude should die die die Apr 28 13:08:38 * lool uses aptitude every day Apr 28 13:08:46 shudder Apr 28 13:09:21 I would also kill console-setup/xkb-data/kbd - ~7MB Apr 28 13:11:10 console-terminus can be sacrified if space is needed - 800KB Apr 28 13:12:07 gnupg support another few MB Apr 28 13:13:45 only if you use serial only Apr 28 13:14:08 kernel has usable fonts so terminus can be dropped Apr 28 13:14:30 tasksel is next 3.5MB Apr 28 13:16:07 plymouth needs fixed deps to not depend on libdrm-{intel/radeon/noveuau} on ~x86(-64) Apr 28 13:18:16 ogra: So, without aptitude, how do you do `aptitude why`? Apr 28 13:49:46 persia, why would i do aptitude why ? Apr 28 13:50:23 Maybe you wouldn't. I use why and why not frequenty to sort out issues each cycle. Apr 28 14:06:43 never used 'why' before ;D Apr 28 14:07:54 * Mike^ have kubuntu on omap. but it's really slow :( Apr 28 14:07:59 heh Apr 28 14:08:10 did you expect anything different ? Apr 28 14:08:13 turn off all that blending :-) Apr 28 14:08:34 ogra: I have not patience to wait untill settings will open Apr 28 14:08:48 use netbook then :) Apr 28 14:09:28 ogra: I used kubuntu-netbook Apr 28 14:09:41 ubuntu-netbook indeed :) Apr 28 14:10:08 ubuntu-netbook is much faster Apr 28 14:10:14 hmm.. to get to <100MB would be hard Apr 28 14:10:22 no busybox in usable package Apr 28 14:11:12 ogra: so, the only thing left to make me completely happy is to include cm-t35 into official ubunu omap kernel ;-) Apr 28 14:11:54 Mike^, well, if lrg gives amitk a fix for the audio issue that can happen in 10.10 Apr 28 14:13:01 ogra, amitk said it had somthing to do with CONFIG_OMAP_MUX rather than audio... Apr 28 14:13:25 muxing... Apr 28 14:13:36 and, anyway, I was cheating, I had to apply two patches for headed configuration. Apr 28 14:13:39 * XorA hides under the table away from muxing Apr 28 14:14:22 oh, right the audio issue was AM3517-EVM Apr 28 14:15:28 muxing is a general issue for all omap devices, but I think beagleboard should be fixed these days to work Apr 28 14:15:51 I thought beagle has all the muxing in the bootloaders Apr 28 14:16:15 Mike^: its also in the kernel, but for a long time was wrong Apr 28 14:16:52 XoRA: that's why beagleboard doesn't boot with muxing enabled Apr 28 14:17:00 and it should be fixed in kernel on all omap3/4 devices as there is no guarantee there is a bootloader Apr 28 14:21:37 XorA: I know the MUX work, but do you remember if it went in in 2.6.34-rc? Apr 28 14:22:17 amitk: no, I lost track Apr 28 14:23:12 amitk: koen is normally a good person to ask about that kind of thing Apr 28 14:23:22 ok Apr 28 14:35:08 amitk: do you remember by chance what was the problem with beagleboard and MUX? Apr 28 14:37:14 someone remember which package contains mk-sbuild? Apr 28 14:38:32 ubuntu-dev-tools iirc Apr 28 14:40:13 Yes Apr 28 14:40:29 hrw: FYI, packages.ubuntu.com let you query this Apr 28 14:40:50 right Apr 28 14:57:41 * ogra fixed the screenshot on the beagle page Apr 28 16:02:22 has anyone tried installing Lucid on a BeagleBoard? Apr 28 16:04:06 inhand1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle Apr 28 16:07:17 orga, That is what I am working on. Have you done it? Apr 28 16:07:39 yes Apr 28 16:08:21 I cannot seem to get any USB devices working during the install. Therefore, no keyboard, mouse, or network. Apr 28 16:09:13 which of the three images do you use ? Apr 28 16:09:29 and what beagle revision Apr 28 16:09:32 I tried all three Apr 28 16:09:39 the images are all tested on a C4 beagle Apr 28 16:09:46 beagle = C4 Apr 28 16:09:54 ok Apr 28 16:09:58 powered hub ? Apr 28 16:10:06 yes, on either OTG or Host Apr 28 16:10:08 (it wont work without) Apr 28 16:10:18 OTG isnt supported yet with that kernel Apr 28 16:10:27 ok, that helps. Apr 28 16:11:23 but with powered hub attached to host port you should definately get kbd and mouse Apr 28 16:11:43 can I get debug on the serial port? Apr 28 16:11:55 for the network it depends on your NIC, apparently GrueMaster just found that moschip NICs dont work Apr 28 16:12:05 you can, you need to edit boot.scr Apr 28 16:12:15 i have asix and smsc LAN9514 Apr 28 16:12:18 there is a section on the wikipage above Apr 28 16:12:24 asix works fine for me Apr 28 16:12:34 i just finished a netinstall test Apr 28 16:12:40 ogra: That's only on the netboot kernel. The live image and installed image works fine. Apr 28 16:12:50 right Apr 28 16:13:05 the live image has all firmware available Apr 28 16:13:17 i think the netbook image only includes a subset Apr 28 16:13:23 i need to talk to amitk about that Apr 28 16:13:31 *netboot Apr 28 16:14:48 do all three use the same boot kernel? Apr 28 16:15:03 anyone know if there is a group discount for UDS participants at the Dolce La Hulpe hotel? Apr 28 16:16:15 jmcgee, yes, it should be somewhere on the wikipage or a subpage Apr 28 16:16:21 inhand1, yes Apr 28 16:17:33 ogra: thanks, that's what I would have expected. will keep looking... Apr 28 16:18:01 amitk, could it be that we dont include all firmware or usb NIC drivers in our kernel build ? Apr 28 16:20:02 ogra: netboot is now working with my trendnet usb nic. Apr 28 16:20:21 Thankfully, I have two usb nics. Apr 28 16:20:32 Of different brands. Apr 28 16:20:49 great Apr 28 16:21:03 i havent even tried my moschip one yet Apr 28 16:21:19 the asix one fits better into the hub Apr 28 16:31:59 oh where oh where has my rcn gone, oh where oh where could he be? Apr 28 16:32:41 ogra: which one doesn't work? Apr 28 16:32:57 amitk, moschip Apr 28 16:33:22 not sure which driver that is Apr 28 16:33:30 ogra_cmpc: I'm assuming it works on the desktop? Apr 28 16:33:47 yep Apr 28 16:33:55 i suspect we miss fw Apr 28 16:40:30 ogra: thanks, I think it is a x-loader/u-boot customization we did or something else. I am using stock versions and I am into the installer Apr 28 16:40:44 where are the list of mirrors? the default doesn't work Apr 28 16:41:50 there are no (official) mirrors, ports.ubuntu.com is the only server holding armel packages Apr 28 16:43:11 is path just '/' Apr 28 16:44:31 ogra_cmpc: CONFIG_USB_NET_MCS7830=m Apr 28 16:46:25 ogra_cmpc: could be linux-firmware? but that should be identical to the x86 package Apr 28 16:51:32 amitk, i'll check in my next install test Apr 28 16:52:07 i know the udebs are all there as they should be but probably not all content is in the udebs Apr 28 16:53:10 inhand1, no, /ubuntu-ports Apr 28 16:53:13 that should be preseeded by default though Apr 28 17:15:07 amitk, aha, MCS7830 seems not to be in the udeb Apr 28 17:16:05 drivers/net/usb only has pegasus asix and usbnet Apr 28 17:28:29 That's what I said earlier. Apr 28 17:33:08 ogra: thanks a lot. I got it working now. My network interface died after the DHCP. Apr 28 17:37:43 GrueMaster, right, its a packaging problem with the linux-ti-omap kernel Apr 28 17:39:02 Is it the kernel or whatever generates the netboot initrd file? Apr 28 17:39:14 The drivers are on the installed image. Apr 28 17:39:18 no, its the packaging that adds files to the udeb Apr 28 17:39:56 d-i uses the udeb files for adding drivers, apparently not all binaries end up in the usb-nic udeb Apr 28 17:40:25 so you see it inly in d-i images ... live uses the full kernel package and no udebs Apr 28 17:40:37 ah, ok. Apr 28 17:40:47 (as the installed os does) Apr 28 20:57:03 default@node1:~$ uname -a Apr 28 20:57:03 Linux node1.i.smooth-stone.com 2.6.29-arm2-dirty #3 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 28 15:43:38 CDT 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Apr 28 20:57:22 default@node1:~$ more /proc/meminfo Apr 28 20:57:22 MemTotal: 996036 kB Apr 28 20:57:22 MemFree: 911756 kB Apr 28 20:57:27 WOOHOO Apr 28 20:57:35 got the tegra2 at what is pretty much max memory Apr 28 20:57:55 default@node1:~$ more /proc/cmdline Apr 28 20:57:55 mem=480M@0M mem=512M@512M nvmem=32M@480M vmalloc=32M video=tegrafb console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty0 usbcore.old_scheme_first=1 root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=172.17.28.140:/opt/nfsroot/node1 rw ip=:::::usb0:dhcp Apr 28 20:58:37 wee **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 29 02:59:56 2010