**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 30 02:59:57 2010 Apr 30 05:47:15 not sure if you anyone can help... but is there a way to switch from ubuntu to UNR easy? I would also like to switch back to ubuntu as well... Apr 30 05:49:08 Different environments should be selectable as different sessions in the session manager. Apr 30 05:49:27 If they aren't, you may want to install more packages: for example, install "ubuntu-desktop" to get a desktop. Apr 30 05:56:51 ahh found it.. thanks Apr 30 06:18:34 When will lucid-armel-omap will released ?? Apr 30 06:19:16 about 12 hours ago. Apr 30 06:19:29 But it's not an official release, just frozen snapshot images. Apr 30 06:19:54 * persia hunts a URL Apr 30 06:20:24 Which flavour did you want? Apr 30 06:21:00 Are you talking about this URL ?? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/ Apr 30 06:21:27 I want to test all :) Apr 30 06:21:39 u* or k* -- netbook Apr 30 06:21:41 Hrm. Seems the images didn't get copied. Apr 30 06:22:18 Given site is down saying --> "The connection was reset" Apr 30 06:23:15 I suspect they need test reports and prompting of someone. You can grab the "prerelease" images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img Apr 30 06:23:37 Yeah, the server is *swamped* with people downloading it. Apr 30 06:24:04 Well, that and all the other images that are on cdimage instead of releases.ubuntu.com Apr 30 06:24:40 It should work if you're patient. Alternately, wait a couple days for the excitement to calm down (although that's not as much fun) Apr 30 06:24:41 persia, ports werent published yet Apr 30 06:24:47 ogra: Why not? Apr 30 06:24:50 should happen soon Apr 30 06:25:05 ogra: imx51/dove netbook was published. Apr 30 06:25:26 http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ Apr 30 06:25:44 yes, they are on releases.u.c Apr 30 06:26:12 everything that stays on cdimage.u.c wasnt published under thge release directories Apr 30 06:26:39 Aha! And now it all makes sense. Apr 30 06:27:10 Amit_Karpe: My apologies: instead of "About 12 hours ago", I should have said "Real Soon Now". Apr 30 06:27:28 Note that there is no specific time involved in "Real Soon Now", but it oughtn't be that long. Apr 30 06:27:39 (mostly a matter of copying files to the right places at this point, I believe) Apr 30 06:29:25 boohoo, LP #446552 was not fixed in lucid Apr 30 06:29:29 Launchpad bug 446552 in update-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "url_downloadable ignores proxy settings (affects: 24) (dups: 2) (heat: 138)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446552 Apr 30 06:31:18 It wasn't? It says it was. Apr 30 06:32:03 persia: Thank You. Lets wait till "Real Soon Now". Apr 30 06:32:27 Amit_Karpe: If you like. I'm absolutely sure the images will be bit-identical when someone gets around to copying them. Apr 30 06:32:30 persia: I still see it contacting without talking to the proxy and the buggy code is using httplib is still there Apr 30 06:32:53 suihkulokki: Please reopen the lucid task on the bug with documentation of your results. It shouldn't do that. Apr 30 06:35:18 As of now I am playing with Prebuil Lucid image. I am able to run that on BB. Apr 30 06:35:32 And I am going to install netbook-launcher. Apr 30 06:36:13 install netbook-launcher-efl rather :) Apr 30 06:36:23 I had completed installation Apr 30 06:36:44 If you already have an image, you can upgrade to final with `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` Apr 30 06:36:51 ok Apr 30 06:36:55 great. Apr 30 06:37:00 No point downloading *another* image and doing the installation again. Apr 30 06:37:04 or do-release-upgrade :) Apr 30 06:37:17 ogra: Does that work from milestone to final? Apr 30 06:37:21 Let me try netbook-launcher and then I will update you my results Apr 30 06:37:23 should Apr 30 06:37:47 * persia has only done do-release-upgrade to get from one release to the next Apr 30 06:41:57 netbook-launcher required any gdm or lxdm ?? Apr 30 06:42:19 yes Apr 30 06:42:41 also dont install netbook-launcher you want netbook-launcher-efl Apr 30 06:42:51 ok Apr 30 06:43:22 then now should remove netbook-launcher and install netbook-launcher-efl ?? Apr 30 06:43:53 while running netbook-launcher I got this error --> http://pastebin.com/ZgjbWzJR Apr 30 06:45:22 cannot open display means you have no X running Apr 30 06:45:31 install gdm first Apr 30 06:45:40 ok Apr 30 06:52:31 ogra: Should I install lxdm instead of gdm ? I think lxdm is very light ? Apr 30 06:52:48 no idea, i have never used lxdm Apr 30 06:53:01 you surely could though Apr 30 06:53:03 or xdm ? Apr 30 06:53:42 ok Apr 30 07:31:06 morning Apr 30 08:32:36 hi Apr 30 08:33:07 anyone tried building a lucid rootfs in rootstock and succeeded booting it in qemu? Apr 30 08:36:26 I keep getting an error during boot saying "ureadahead main process (275) terminated with status 5", then the screen goes black after a few seconds. Apr 30 08:36:43 I think plymouth has something to do with it... Apr 30 08:36:56 let me fetch proper kernel Apr 30 08:38:05 booting Apr 30 08:39:35 slips, status 5 is fine it just tells you it wont profile your disk Apr 30 08:42:11 hmm Apr 30 08:42:33 ok, then ureadahead is not part of the problem. Apr 30 08:42:39 right Apr 30 08:43:03 do you use any console= option on your cmdline ? Apr 30 08:43:30 i've tried a few. tty0, ttyAMA0,baud etc. Apr 30 08:43:56 that will make plymouth switch off the splash Apr 30 08:44:06 might cause the black screen you get Apr 30 08:45:19 ah Apr 30 08:45:21 morning hrw Apr 30 08:45:59 well morning all :) Apr 30 08:46:51 morning lool Apr 30 08:48:45 so it might not be plymouth either.. Apr 30 08:49:23 strange this is that after the screen turns black, there's never any more output Apr 30 08:49:51 however, if I boot into runlevel 1, i get the console Apr 30 08:52:28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyol_wine Apr 30 08:52:30 er Apr 30 08:52:32 wrong tab Apr 30 08:52:37 sorry, off-topic for here. Apr 30 08:58:36 slips: black console here too Apr 30 08:59:55 booting with console on stdio Apr 30 09:01:30 with "console=ttyAMA0" and "-serial stdio" it boots properly to text console (my image does not have x11) Apr 30 09:04:35 nice Apr 30 09:04:39 that actually worked. Apr 30 09:05:33 thanks Apr 30 09:06:01 add "quiet" instead Apr 30 09:06:08 should also make plymouth happy Apr 30 09:06:37 i'll try Apr 30 09:10:03 worked like a charm. Apr 30 09:11:13 cool Apr 30 09:13:08 mike^ u there Apr 30 09:28:18 lool: hi there Apr 30 09:31:58 asac: hi Apr 30 09:35:52 apw: lool suggested to me that you know something about the packaging of the userspace perf tools--- do you have a moment to look at a blueprint draft? Apr 30 09:38:08 hey Dave Apr 30 09:38:40 lool: hi, I thought everyone must be hung over / having a lie in / travelling ;) Apr 30 09:38:56 hi dmart Apr 30 09:39:08 dmart: its back to work on maverick :) Apr 30 09:39:23 * dmart seems to have woken everyone up Apr 30 09:39:24 right. thats the pace of ubuntu ;) ... no rest Apr 30 09:39:47 * amitk is taking next week off Apr 30 09:40:05 lagger :-P Apr 30 09:40:08 lool: Will had an initial stab at the profiling blueprint--- mind taking a look? Apr 30 09:40:28 (Will = wildea01) Apr 30 09:40:33 hello Apr 30 09:46:05 dmart: sure Apr 30 09:47:01 It would be good if someone from your end can add comments on the tool packaging and profiling frontends currently in use, would apw be the right person? Apr 30 09:47:44 dmart, i've packaged the kernel perf tool as its kernel version locked Apr 30 09:47:58 wildea01: heya Apr 30 09:48:04 lool: hi Apr 30 09:48:29 apw: currently it's only packaged for x86/amd64 afaict Apr 30 09:48:36 apw: So dmart is looking in what would need to happen to have it on armel as well I guess Apr 30 09:48:44 its not packages for armel cause its not supported on arm Apr 30 09:48:51 iirc Apr 30 09:48:52 apw: Also, there might be some kernel patches needed to get it working there Apr 30 09:48:57 yeah Apr 30 09:49:38 the patches are in 2.6.33 I think Apr 30 09:49:49 so likely we can enable it for M then Apr 30 09:50:04 that's what the blueprint is about :) Apr 30 09:50:36 apw: would you mind having a quick look at the current draft to see if there's anything you would add? Apr 30 09:50:47 url ? Apr 30 09:51:05 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMDebuggingWithOprofileAndPerf Apr 30 09:51:38 I only just wrote it, so feel free to change it :) Apr 30 09:53:33 apw: Is the change to packaging a 2 minutes job that we just need to ping you about, or will you want patches? Apr 30 09:54:17 if this is already enableable in 2.6.34 then its a bit flip pretty much Apr 30 09:56:40 wildea01, the spec looks fine for a draft, i suspect the kernel work is a slam dunk but best to list it in case it isn't Apr 30 09:57:28 apw: okey doke, thanks Apr 30 09:59:03 lool, apw: are there frontend tools in place for perf yet? Apr 30 09:59:12 dmart: You mean graphical? Apr 30 09:59:18 dmart: there are commandline frontends Apr 30 09:59:27 the perf command in the perf-`uname -r` packages Apr 30 09:59:35 well the linux-tools-xxx rather Apr 30 09:59:51 If there were gui frontends already available for other arches, we would want to ensure arm has them too Apr 30 10:00:01 lool: the only visual one I could see is perf timechart, and I didn't quite understand what I was looking at :) Apr 30 10:00:14 lool, right in linux-tools Apr 30 10:01:37 ogra, persia : Thanks a lot you help. Please check snap of my running netbook-launcher-elf http://amitkarpe.posterous.com/ and video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfdetzHGEcc Apr 30 10:01:39 wildea01: The spec looks ok, but keep the summary to a couple of sentences describing the goal e.g. "Providing perf and oprofile support for ARM"; move the list of work items to the Implementation section Apr 30 10:01:52 wildea01: But that's already more than you need for UDS, looks good! Apr 30 10:02:44 lool: thanks, I'll shift some of the summary down to the implementation Apr 30 10:03:07 lool, apw, wildea01: ok, sounds like we have a blueprint. Thanks for the help, guys Apr 30 10:10:51 Amit_Karpe, the images were moved, i updated the link on the wiki a while ago Apr 30 10:11:10 (and renames to the proper release names) Apr 30 10:11:15 *renamed Apr 30 10:11:19 thx. Apr 30 10:12:52 Should do it again or just `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` ? Apr 30 10:13:13 or or do-release-upgrade ?? Apr 30 10:13:16 i meant that your blog entry points to the daily images Apr 30 10:13:24 k Apr 30 10:13:27 your system should be up to date :) Apr 30 10:14:21 the netbook image is now at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/ Apr 30 10:14:33 called buntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img Apr 30 10:14:40 ok, I will update it. Apr 30 11:07:58 * ogra_cmpc sighs Apr 30 11:08:14 netbook-launcher-efl pulls in half of gnome Apr 30 11:08:22 * ogra_cmpc doesnt get why Apr 30 11:13:30 oh, silly recommends Apr 30 13:21:56 Hi, trying to launch a rootstock built karmic rootfs with ubuntu-desktop seed but init stops with -- udevd[570]: failed to create queue file: No space left on device --, any ideas? Apr 30 13:26:45 did you pick a proper imagesize in the options ? Apr 30 13:26:55 oh, to slow :P Apr 30 14:46:38 ogra, yo ... does lsusb work on your arm platforms Apr 30 14:56:45 apw: why it should not? Apr 30 14:57:09 have a machine here where it is not, but i think we have it nailed Apr 30 14:59:52 works for me on beagleboard Apr 30 15:00:43 worked for me on many other arm devices too Apr 30 15:05:27 apw, usually works Apr 30 15:07:08 asac, so my minimal system running X, fbpanel, metacity, xterm and efl launcher consumes 27MB according to htop Apr 30 15:07:26 though its indeed very limited in functionality Apr 30 15:09:46 ogra: on beagle? Apr 30 15:09:51 yes Apr 30 15:10:13 nice, I would be interested in that as dev environ. Do you have a seed? Apr 30 15:10:31 i started off bootstrapping a minbase chroot and then only installed very few bits Apr 30 15:10:47 no, but i can roll a tarball over the weekend Apr 30 15:11:11 there is a ton of stuff thats still broken i surely miss a lot of bits Apr 30 15:12:06 the complete system uses only 515M on disk currently Apr 30 15:12:22 so i should be able to tar that to 2-300 Apr 30 15:15:40 ogra: just a package list would be great on the minimal chroot Apr 30 15:16:08 no pressure though, after UDS is just fine :) Apr 30 15:16:26 oh, right, you are gone next week anyway :) Apr 30 15:16:45 i'll have something for you by uds for sure ... Apr 30 15:26:40 ~curse loop device Apr 30 15:29:50 ? Apr 30 15:31:47 I got out of loop devices again Apr 30 15:32:05 vm-builder uses loop devices and if it break then I need to umount that by hand Apr 30 15:32:05 hrw, help me inplement my spec then :) Apr 30 15:32:11 yeah Apr 30 15:32:16 ogra: url to it? Apr 30 15:32:22 <-- not a big fan of the bloated vm-builder Apr 30 15:32:45 hrw, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/userspace-loop-mounting Apr 30 15:33:31 ogra: fuse do not have isofs? Apr 30 15:33:34 my initial goal was to hev rootstock not require root Apr 30 15:33:55 fuse might have iso but nothing for loop Apr 30 15:34:17 i want to be able to loop mount in my homedir without sudo/root Apr 30 15:34:31 and even preferably without using a loop device :) Apr 30 15:34:52 (not sure thats possible but i didnt start researching yet) Apr 30 15:35:28 nbd could once do that, if you had started the nbd-server as a user you could mount an image as the same user Apr 30 15:35:57 but sadly since it got deeper integrated in the kernel it has the same constraints as loop mounting **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 01 02:59:56 2010