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May 31 05:29:26 <snadge> is there an faq about what things you can buy that will run ubuntu arm?
May 31 05:32:24 <snadge> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport
May 31 05:35:59 <DanaG> Beagleboard is nice... but wait for the xM.
May 31 05:42:04 <snadge> yeah i've been looking at that
May 31 05:42:14 <snadge> also heard a few things about the HP Airlife 100
May 31 05:42:20 <snadge> sure thats an android device but whatever
May 31 05:42:47 <snadge> im sure if it were to actually get sold somewhere other than spain
May 31 05:43:03 <snadge> people might run ubuntu on it ;)
May 31 05:43:55 <snadge> the xm is a nokia phone?
May 31 05:47:42 <tmzt> airlife is snapdragon based isn't it?
May 31 05:52:18 <tmzt> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c02104127/c02104127.pdf
May 31 05:53:38 <tmzt> http://www.h-online.com/news/item/MWC-2010-Android-everywhere-931988.html
May 31 05:54:41 <DanaG> airlife has weird touchpad buttons.
May 31 05:55:00 <tmzt> required by android I think
May 31 05:55:01 <DanaG> http://beagleboard.org/hardware-xM
May 31 05:55:18 <DanaG> I hope they still register as 1, 2, 3.
May 31 05:55:24 <tmzt> extra?
May 31 05:55:29 <tmzt> extra cortex
May 31 05:55:49 <tmzt> could that hub by a switch (vlan enabled)?
May 31 05:56:37 <tmzt> oh it's a usb hub
May 31 05:56:53 <DanaG> SMSC LAN9514.
May 31 05:57:03 <DanaG> USB hub + ethernet in one chip.
May 31 06:04:47 <kblin> I wonder what that means for ethernet to usb hdd performance
May 31 06:06:51 <DanaG> well, if it's ntfs-3g, it's Le Suck, any way you slice it.
May 31 06:07:00 <DanaG> NTFS-3G is Le Suck even on eSATA.
May 31 06:08:31 <kblin> why would I use NTFS on a linux box?
May 31 06:09:43 <kblin> I mean, a filesystem with full windows ACL support would be nice for running a samba file server, but I don't think the ntfs-3g code can do that, even if ntfs supports that
May 31 06:10:27 <tmzt> ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/open_source/Handheld/AirLife100/kernel.tar.gz
May 31 06:23:29 <snadge> i want to get an arm netbook or tablet.. im kind of waiting for google to make it a reality
May 31 06:59:32 <zyga> good morning everyone
May 31 07:05:06 <hrw> morning
May 31 07:09:00 <tmzt> snadge: chrome os?
May 31 07:09:16 <tmzt> what's the difference between that and meego+chrome or ubuntu lite+chrome?
May 31 07:22:27 <snadge> i wouldn't say theres much difference apart from chromeos has a chance of succeeding.. the others probably dont
May 31 07:22:40 <snadge> by succeed i mean, gain a meaningful percentage of the market share
May 31 07:22:48 <snadge> beyond 3 hobbyist geeks
May 31 07:23:37 <snadge> most of the arm stuff so far is aimed at tinkerers who dont care if stuff is broken
May 31 07:24:10 <snadge> excluding the new apple products which are closed and completely useless from the perspective of most people in here
May 31 07:37:11 <tmzt> snadge: I'm wondering, I think having the OS featues of Chrome is a big win, but being able to alt-tab to a traditional desktop has it's benifits
May 31 14:15:18 <hrw> asac: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/u-boot/u-boot-git/beagleboard contains patches for bbxm u-boot
May 31 14:15:33 <neure> hi
May 31 14:15:45 <neure> which network things were supported by the installer?
May 31 14:15:49 <hrw> ho neure
May 31 14:15:53 <neure> something that i can turn usb to ethernet?
May 31 14:16:05 <neure> the adapter that i have is not supported :/
May 31 14:16:35 <ogra> hrw, is there anything thats not in sarkomans branch ? (i'm currently working on updating the u-boot packages)
May 31 14:17:13 <hrw> ogra: no idea - I know that this patchset is maintained by Koen Kooi and used on bbxm
May 31 14:18:23 <ogra> hrm
May 31 14:18:48 <ogra> i know that the XM patches entered the sarkoman branch short before lucid released
May 31 14:18:58 <ogra> i wonder which are better/newer
May 31 14:19:46 <hrw> Xm rev A was added today
May 31 14:22:20 <neure> hrw, do you - or anyone - know if the apple usb to ethernet adapter is supported by the installer?
May 31 14:22:47 <rcn-ee_lpt> and they work on my xm board... those zippy (expansion board) patches are nice too.. ;)
May 31 14:22:47 <hrw> neure: I use dm9601 cheap adapters
May 31 14:22:55 <ogra> hrw, hmm, i really perfer to keep building the package from one upstream branch
May 31 14:23:14 <hrw>  but I did not used
May 31 14:23:22 <hrw> neure: but I did not used them during installation
May 31 14:23:52 <neure> i want to try ubuntu but i cant until i get adapter that works during installation
May 31 14:24:56 <hrw> I used netbook install
May 31 14:25:32 <neure> you installed to usb? well for me, installing to usb doesnt work :/
May 31 14:26:08 <hrw> I did
May 31 14:26:17 <hrw> you have C2/C3?
May 31 14:27:22 <neure> C2
May 31 14:27:46 <neure> i tried with two different powered usb hubs and two different usb sticks
May 31 14:28:44 <hrw> my C3 works better after 0.22uF capacitor hack
May 31 14:44:12 <amitk> GCC begins move to C++http://lwn.net/Articles/390016/rss
May 31 15:02:27 <ogra> asac, i'll update u-boot-omap3 from http://www.sakoman.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=u-boot.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/omap3-v2010.3 FYI
May 31 15:45:36 <xorAxAx> neure: i have problems with usb hubs as well
May 31 17:50:55 <mpoirier> amitk ?
Jun 01 01:26:24 <ssk> how to add new drivers like ppp? i see that there are no modules for ppp connection using beagleboard.
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