**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 09 02:59:57 2010
Jun 09 05:24:47 <armin76> haha
Jun 09 05:25:02 <armin76> lool: look, someone spamming with his away again :D
Jun 09 07:28:02 <neo_> Hello all
Jun 09 07:30:27 <neo_> I have a doubt in the RootfsFromScratch . anybody there to help me
Jun 09 07:30:29 <neo_> ?
Jun 09 07:38:24 <neo_> Hi
Jun 09 07:47:26 <hrw> morning
Jun 09 07:54:51 <ARMport> morning hrw
Jun 09 08:04:20 <hrw> zyga: hi
Jun 09 08:04:59 <ARMport> Hello all
Jun 09 08:05:27 <ARMport> i have an issue in running ARM/RootfsFromScratch
Jun 09 08:05:46 <hrw> you was as neo_ few minutes ago?
Jun 09 08:05:49 <hrw> 09:31 < neo_> I have a doubt in the RootfsFromScratch . anybody there to help me
Jun 09 08:05:50 <ARMport> yes
Jun 09 08:06:02 <hrw> so next time do not change nick
Jun 09 08:06:06 <ARMport> sure
Jun 09 08:06:25 <hrw> so what issue?
Jun 09 08:06:27 <ARMport> i am unable to use the mouse inside the Qemu VNC
Jun 09 08:06:28 <XorA> heh, neo is a bad choice of nick anyway :-)
Jun 09 08:06:34 <ARMport> ha ha :)
Jun 09 08:06:35 <hrw> XorA: thats too
Jun 09 08:06:44 <hrw> ARMport is not better anyway
Jun 09 08:06:53 <ARMport> I ll change it soon ;)
Jun 09 08:07:00 <XorA> its the equiv these days of countzero in the 90s
Jun 09 08:07:02 <hrw> ARMport: never used qemu with vnc
Jun 09 08:07:20 <hrw> XorA: mess with the best, die like the rest?
Jun 09 08:07:30 <ARMport> don't get u !
Jun 09 08:07:39 <zyga> hrw, czesc :-)
Jun 09 08:07:48 <ARMport> I mean using the command qemu-system-arm -M versatilepb -cpu cortex-a8 -kernel ./vmlinuz -hda arm-rootfs.img -m 256 -append "root=/dev/sda mem=256M devtmpfs.mount=0 rw"
Jun 09 08:08:05 <ARMport> I tried to run the qemu,
Jun 09 08:08:28 <ARMport> and opened the emulated ARM image in the VNC viewer
Jun 09 08:08:35 <XorA> amusingly "The Plague" didnt really take off as a nick even though the film was awesome
Jun 09 08:08:57 <ARMport> XorA: i don't think so
Jun 09 08:09:40 <XorA> its one of my favourite films, brings back so many memories of 2600 meets
Jun 09 08:09:52 <ARMport> has any one tried running the ARM image using qemu?
Jun 09 08:10:08 <ARMport> XorA : its my fav too
Jun 09 08:10:51 <hrw> XorA: from 2006 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479125/ one?
Jun 09 08:11:30 <XorA> hrw: from Hackers
Jun 09 08:11:36 <hrw> ah
Jun 09 08:11:42 <XorA> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/
Jun 09 08:11:52 <hrw> long time since last time I watched Hackers
Jun 09 08:12:58 <hrw> o.. there was 720p edition
Jun 09 08:13:34 <XorA> ..oo00OO I shall have to look for bluray then
Jun 09 08:14:56 <hrw> Instead of going to bluray I bought mini hifi with dvd
Jun 09 08:16:05 <XorA> I have a ps3 which is awesome for video playback
Jun 09 08:16:32 <hrw> and require transcoding of all divx movies
Jun 09 08:16:36 <XorA> nope
Jun 09 08:16:47 <XorA> plays DivX fine, just not DivX:-)
Jun 09 08:17:09 <hrw> what about matroska container? etc?
Jun 09 08:17:29 <hrw> friend told me that he has a bit of work with most movies to get them played on his ps3
Jun 09 08:17:57 <XorA> it doesnt understand mkv, but tsmuxer will remux is happilly to mpeg2 ps which it does understand
Jun 09 08:18:05 <XorA> ps3-media-server does it on the fly :-)
Jun 09 08:18:18 <XorA> its DivX certified, so plays them without issue
Jun 09 08:19:12 <XorA> http://ps3mediaserver.blogspot.com/
Jun 09 08:19:14 <hrw> I have to check divx on my hifi
Jun 09 08:19:25 <hrw> also divx certified
Jun 09 08:19:49 <XorA> the thing to watch out is that xvid != divx
Jun 09 08:19:56 <XorA> different set of ASP options
Jun 09 08:20:08 <XorA> most players dont care, but a few do
Jun 09 08:20:11 <hrw> and one day fight enough to get some movie converted to avhcd (or how it was named) and then I will check my TV capabilities
Jun 09 08:20:49 <XorA> warez stuff is normally xvid for obvious reasons
Jun 09 10:03:34 <cooloney> sebjan: those images work on lag's panda, thanks a lot, man
Jun 09 10:04:34 <lag> cooloney: I've already emailed sebjan
Jun 09 10:05:20 <lag> Sebjan: What's changed in u-boot lately? Does it now check for system IDs?
Jun 09 10:05:36 <lag> *different system IDs
Jun 09 10:39:33 <NCommander> ndec: you around?
Jun 09 11:06:58 <sebjan> lag: I did not have a look, and I did not build myslef the images I provided to you. Will try to get so info about that.
Jun 09 11:08:30 <lag> Thank you sebjan
Jun 09 11:08:57 <ogra> lag, the u-boot branch from gitorious.org should be fine, i'll update the ubuntu package soon
Jun 09 11:09:21 <ogra> lag, http://www.gitorious.org/pandaboard/u-boot
Jun 09 11:12:41 <lag> ogra: Yes it is. I was just curious as to what the differences were - thirst for knowledge and all that. ;)
Jun 09 11:13:10 <ogra> well, the diffs might tell :)
Jun 09 11:17:00 <ogra> #define MACH_TYPE_OMAP4_PANDA         2791
Jun 09 11:17:04 <ogra> looks like that one
Jun 09 11:17:44 <ogra> from include/asm-arm/mach-types.h
Jun 09 11:23:58 <lag> I would if I had the sources for both ;)
Jun 09 11:23:58 <hrw> hate make
Jun 09 11:24:50 <ogra> lag, http://www.gitorious.org/pandaboard/u-boot has the source :)
Jun 09 11:25:00 <ogra> that was copy pasted from the web ui
Jun 09 11:25:19 <lag> That's the one I do have
Jun 09 11:39:35 <Guest23625> Hello
Jun 09 11:40:14 <JameswStubbs> Is there an arm version of the Ubuntu Minimal Cd?
Jun 09 11:41:10 <JameswStubbs> Specifically Karmic ?
Jun 09 11:41:18 <sebjan> lag: so you can boot with the images I provided to you, but not with the gitorious ones?
Jun 09 11:42:31 <lag> sebjan: I think the ones that were provided for me were the ones used for Blaze
Jun 09 11:42:43 <lag> I don't think they were the gitorious ones
Jun 09 11:43:21 <ogra> lag, the ones i provided to you were older panda binaries
Jun 09 11:43:48 <ogra> without the sysid in them, they worked on panda and blaze by a matter of luck
Jun 09 11:44:08 <lag> Okay
Jun 09 11:44:29 <ogra> there was a change in the panda kernel that now checks for that ID afaik
Jun 09 11:44:34 <lag> Are you going to update your sources?
Jun 09 11:44:39 <ogra> yes
Jun 09 11:44:43 <JameswStubbs> Bump
Jun 09 11:44:53 <lag> Then upload them to your people account?
Jun 09 11:45:10 <ogra> no, to maverick :)
Jun 09 11:45:30 <lag> Okay
Jun 09 11:45:44 <ogra> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u-boot-omap4
Jun 09 11:46:12 <ogra> thats using the sources from omapzoom, predating the panda gitorious tree
Jun 09 11:46:23 <ogra> i'll pull in the panda stuff
Jun 09 11:46:24 <lag> What git repos do I need from kernel.ubuntu.com?
Jun 09 11:46:42 <ogra> no idea
Jun 09 11:46:50 <ogra> aks #ubuntu-kernel :)
Jun 09 11:46:53 <ogra> *ask even
Jun 09 11:47:15 <lag> Wont they be the same ones you use?
Jun 09 11:47:32 <JameswStubbs> Is there an Ubuntu Minimal for the Arm arch?
Jun 09 11:48:17 <lag> JameswStubbs: I don't know the answer for sure, but I wouldn't have thought so
Jun 09 11:48:19 <lilstevie> JameswStubbs: just wait a bit, maybe you will get an answer eventually :)
Jun 09 11:48:27 <ogra> JameswStubbs, you can use the server images or a netinstall
Jun 09 11:48:49 <lilstevie> ogra: i dont think a netinstall would be useful :p
Jun 09 11:48:54 <JameswStubbs> I'll look into the server image for arm thanks ogra
Jun 09 11:49:05 <ogra> lilstevie, ??
Jun 09 11:49:11 <JameswStubbs> No lilstevie it won't be, can't do a net install when we can't boot :p
Jun 09 11:49:19 <JameswStubbs> We're porting Ubuntu to iPhone
Jun 09 11:49:32 <lilstevie> ogra: the device we are working on is the iPhone as JameswStubbs just said
Jun 09 11:49:37 <ogra> JameswStubbs, oh, then better look at the channel topic for rootfs from scratch
Jun 09 11:49:46 <JameswStubbs> Debating between using debian armel or ubuntu 9.10
Jun 09 11:49:52 <ogra> use rootstock to create an ubuntu-minimal rootfs
Jun 09 11:50:04 <JameswStubbs> I'm looking into that aswell :)
Jun 09 11:50:27 <ogra> the images we provide are only for supported arches so the server image wont gain you much on an iphone
Jun 09 11:50:28 <lag> JameswStubbs: Is this a project, or are you doing it for a company?
Jun 09 11:50:44 <JameswStubbs> lag : part of the iDroid project
Jun 09 11:50:46 <lilstevie> lag: its an open source project
Jun 09 11:51:13 <lag> Sounds good. Best of luck with it.
Jun 09 11:51:19 <JameswStubbs> Thanks, we'll need i
Jun 09 11:51:20 <JameswStubbs> t
Jun 09 11:51:23 <lilstevie> heh
Jun 09 11:51:31 * lilstevie is not a fan of having android
Jun 09 11:51:44 <lilstevie> so instead going for something a little more sane :)
Jun 09 11:52:16 <lag> I have to admit, I quite like it
Jun 09 11:52:24 <lag> I have an HTC Desire which I am a fan of
Jun 09 11:52:54 <lilstevie> heh, android is not nice on proprietry devices that have to have drivers written for them,
Jun 09 11:52:55 <JameswStubbs> Only reason I want it is for GTK Ettercap :)
Jun 09 11:53:51 <lag> I see, and what do you want to do with Ettercap? ;)
Jun 09 11:54:08 <JameswStubbs> lag: Monitor my own network for educational purposes of course.
Jun 09 11:55:32 <lag> JameswStubbs: Of course. How silly of me! ;)
Jun 09 11:55:47 <JameswStubbs> lilstevie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ARMServer
Jun 09 11:56:22 <JameswStubbs> It's for armv7 though, I think we'll need to rootfs
Jun 09 11:56:45 <lilstevie> i think building a rootfs from scratch will be the easiest for our purposes
Jun 09 11:57:34 <JameswStubbs> Defiantly do you think we'll still be ok using the iDroid kernel
Jun 09 11:57:35 <JameswStubbs> ?
Jun 09 11:57:51 <lilstevie> yeah
Jun 09 11:57:54 <JameswStubbs> ogra: is this the right place to go for advice with rootfs?
Jun 09 12:03:35 <JameswStubbs> Hm, Can you run rootfs from an x86 machine with the intention of building for Arm?
Jun 09 12:10:17 <JameswStubbs> orga : ?
Jun 09 12:14:58 * mozzwald is away: hardly working
Jun 09 12:26:36 <lag> JameswStubbs: Have you tried using rootstock?
Jun 09 12:27:56 <ogra> JameswStubbs, yes
Jun 09 12:28:09 <ogra> if you use the qemu-arm-static package
Jun 09 12:28:44 <ogra> you can a) use rootstock to create a tarball and b) just create armel chroots using qemu-debootstrap
Jun 09 12:30:55 <JameswStubbs> Thanks, I'll be using rootstock on x86 ubuntu, creating an image, using iDroid's kernel then mounting in qemu
Jun 09 12:31:08 <lag> ogra: So you also need initrd on the card to run?
Jun 09 12:31:40 <ogra> lag, you *can* use ubuntu without initrd but i wouldnt recommend it other than for testing
Jun 09 12:31:44 <lag> JameswStubbs: That should work. I'm using rootstock on an x86 machine too
Jun 09 12:31:59 <JameswStubbs> Is the idea behind rootstock to build a Very minimal system and then to build from there?
Jun 09 12:32:05 <ogra> well, depends if the droid kernel has all the features ubuntu uses
Jun 09 12:32:21 <ogra> JameswStubbs, yes, use -s ubuntu-minimal
Jun 09 12:32:35 <ogra> and do everything you want additional on the real HW
Jun 09 12:32:52 <JameswStubbs> :p Thanks ogra, I was going to leave the --seed option blank :)
Jun 09 12:33:02 <ogra> should work as well
Jun 09 12:33:08 <ogra> will result in the same :)
Jun 09 12:34:16 <lag> ogra: So, do I just bang the rootfs.tgz and initrd onto the rootfs partition and expect it to work?
Jun 09 12:34:52 <JameswStubbs> lag: Are you talking about something different to me? (just stopping myself getting confused :p )
Jun 09 12:34:55 <lilstevie> what features are required from kernel for ubuntu
Jun 09 12:35:22 <lag> JameswStubbs: Yes, I'm doing something slightly different
Jun 09 12:35:29 <JameswStubbs> Ok
Jun 09 12:35:41 <lilstevie> with rootstock we need to generate an img
Jun 09 12:35:56 <lilstevie> as openiboot for the iphone loads an img for rootfs
Jun 09 12:36:12 <ogra> lag, nope
Jun 09 12:36:25 <ogra> lag, you put the rootfs into the rootfs partition
Jun 09 12:36:38 <ogra> and initrd wherever your bootloader wants it
Jun 09 12:37:59 <ogra> lag, for omap thats usually the first partition on the SD and it should be a vfat
Jun 09 12:38:09 <JameswStubbs> lilstevie: Yeh that's right, but Idroid has multiple images where as our whole distro will be in one image
Jun 09 12:38:26 <JameswStubbs> We might have to point oib in a different direction to find the info
Jun 09 12:38:27 <lilstevie> JameswStubbs: thats because they are mounted individually
Jun 09 12:38:54 <JameswStubbs> So we could probably get away with renaming or image system.img
Jun 09 12:38:58 <lilstevie> initrc points to the other images
Jun 09 12:39:02 <JameswStubbs> It doesnt do a hash check or anything
Jun 09 12:39:15 <JameswStubbs> Yeh lilstevie
Jun 09 12:39:32 <lilstevie> so we just need our own init
Jun 09 12:40:57 <ogra> make sure that your img usues a supported filesystem
Jun 09 12:41:41 <lag> ogra: So the initrd goes in the /boot partition then?
Jun 09 12:41:50 <ogra> no
Jun 09 12:41:56 <ogra> it goes into the vfat
Jun 09 12:42:10 <ogra> and you need to specify it in your bootm command for u-boot
Jun 09 12:42:11 <lag> /dev/sde1 on /media/boot type vfat
Jun 09 12:42:29 <ogra> well, you labeled it boot :)
Jun 09 12:42:35 <lag> I didn't
Jun 09 12:42:40 <ogra> something did
Jun 09 12:42:47 <lag> The script that cooloney pointed me to did
Jun 09 12:42:51 <lag> :)
Jun 09 12:42:52 <ogra> ah
Jun 09 12:43:01 <JameswStubbs> lilstevie: We wouldn't necesarily need our own init, simply modify iDroids to point to the right images
Jun 09 12:43:03 <ogra> its not /boot (and cant be)
Jun 09 12:43:11 <ogra> it just smells like /boot :)
Jun 09 12:43:24 <JameswStubbs> Mm, fresh smell of /boot in the morning
Jun 09 12:43:26 <lag> eh?
Jun 09 12:43:51 <ogra>  /boot cant be vfat on debian based systems
Jun 09 12:44:20 <ogra> dpkg unpacks the kernel there, while unpacking it creates hardlinks of the former files
Jun 09 12:45:20 <lag> Oh okay, it's just the partition label
Jun 09 12:45:32 <lag> It won't actually be /boot, as in /boot/grub
Jun 09 12:45:51 <ogra> vfat doesnt support hardlinks
Jun 09 12:45:51 <ogra> so /boot cant be vfat
Jun 09 12:45:54 <lag> But yes, I see what you mean
Jun 09 12:46:11 <ogra> right
Jun 09 12:46:15 <lag> Perhaps it's a confusing name
Jun 09 12:46:18 <ogra> its still your boot-partition
Jun 09 12:46:26 <ogra> but you cant mount it as /boot
Jun 09 12:46:27 <lag> Correct
Jun 09 12:46:40 <lag> Which is where the initrc needs to go, correct?
Jun 09 12:47:00 <ogra> since our kernels and initrds live in /boot, we have a tool called flash-kernel thats works around this prob
Jun 09 12:47:21 <ogra> its usually called buy update-initramfs (which in turn is called by the kernel package when you install it)
Jun 09 12:47:58 <ogra> flash-kernel mounts /dev/mmcblk0p1 and runs mkimage for kernel and initrd to create uInitrd and uImage
Jun 09 12:48:27 <ogra> (or at least iots supposed to, it doesnt do that for the panda or beagle yet, i will have to write some code still)
Jun 09 12:51:10 <ogra> lag, mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C none -a 0x0 -e 0x0 -n "Ubuntu Initrd" -d /path/to/initrd.img-$ver uInitrd
Jun 09 12:51:14 <ogra> you will need that
Jun 09 12:51:44 <lag> Ag
Jun 09 12:51:46 <lag> Ah*
Jun 09 12:51:55 <ogra> fatload mmc 0:1 0x80000000 uImage
Jun 09 12:52:04 <ogra> fatload mmc 0:1 0x81600000 uInitrd
Jun 09 12:52:14 <ogra> bootm 0x80000000 0x81600000
Jun 09 12:52:24 <ogra> thats for the u-boot prompt
Jun 09 12:52:42 <ogra> and should get you a boot with initrd
Jun 09 12:54:17 <lag> So the uImage and the uInitrd go on the same place on the SD card?
Jun 09 12:56:54 <ogra> right, into the vfat
Jun 09 12:57:22 <lag> Yep
Jun 09 12:57:33 <lag> And is the rootfs okay to go in as a tgz?
Jun 09 12:57:40 <lag> Or should I unpack it first?
Jun 09 12:57:41 <JameswStubbs> Thanks again for your help ogra
Jun 09 12:58:38 <ogra> lag, format the partition and unpack
Jun 09 12:58:55 <ogra> JameswStubbs, welcome, good luck
Jun 09 12:59:29 <lag> Thought as much
Jun 09 12:59:41 * lag wondered when they'd put tgz support into the kernel
Jun 09 13:01:41 <ogra> heh
Jun 09 13:08:03 <ogra> NCommander, bah, bug 583317 will bite us badly
Jun 09 13:08:04 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 583317 in genext2fs (Ubuntu) "genext2fs creates revision 0 filesystems instead of revision 1 (affects: 1) (heat: 156)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583317
Jun 09 13:19:21 <ogra> ha !
Jun 09 13:19:25 <ogra> finally
Jun 09 13:19:30 <ogra> how silly
Jun 09 13:20:10 * ogra finally found the reason why resize2fs didnt work in initramfs ... seems it has a call to /etc/mtab hardcoded
Jun 09 13:36:35 <lag> Is the rootfs created by rootstock meant to pull up a terminal?
Jun 09 13:37:02 <ogra> lag, yep
Jun 09 13:37:46 <lag> Freeing init memory: 192K
Jun 09 13:37:46 <lag> init: ureadahead main process (55) terminated with status 5
Jun 09 13:37:46 <lag> twl: i2c_write failed to transfer all messages
Jun 09 13:37:46 <lag> i2c_omap i2c_omap.1: controller timed out
Jun 09 13:37:46 <lag> twl: i2c_read failed to transfer all messages
Jun 09 13:37:47 <lag> twl6030_bci: error reading CONTROLLER_CTRL1
Jun 09 13:37:56 <lag> Then nothing
Jun 09 13:38:20 <ogra> whats your console= setting in the cmdline ?
Jun 09 13:38:38 <ogra> and what was the rootstock cmdline you used :)
Jun 09 13:39:38 <ogra> by default ubuntu has no serial getty running ... you can enable it in rootstock with the --serial switch
Jun 09 13:40:05 <lag> I did that
Jun 09 13:40:08 <lag> Let me have a play
Jun 09 13:40:23 <ogra> do you have a monitor attached ?
Jun 09 13:40:39 <ogra> i'm pretty sure you have a login prompt on tty1 :)
Jun 09 13:40:40 <lag> I don't have a monitor which supports HDMI
Jun 09 13:40:58 <ogra> you should get one :)
Jun 09 13:41:11 <ogra> or DVI at least and an adapter
Jun 09 13:41:52 <hrw> cheapest lcd with dvi is enough for BB
Jun 09 13:41:53 <lag> True HDMI doesn't work with adaptors
Jun 09 13:42:09 <hrw> lag: define 'true hdmi' please
Jun 09 13:42:42 <ogra> hrw, the panda has hdmi
Jun 09 13:42:50 <lag> True HDMI sends co-data to control the output settings
Jun 09 13:42:57 <hrw> ogra: with audio over hdmi or just hdmi connector?
Jun 09 13:43:08 <hrw> lag: you mean HDMI/CI?
Jun 09 13:43:17 <lag> I forget what it's called
Jun 09 13:43:32 <hrw> CI or CEC - adapted from SCART connector
Jun 09 13:43:36 <ogra> hrw, the current build i have has a headphone jack and two HDMI ports
Jun 09 13:43:40 <lag> I just know that when I was working on set-top boxes some worked with a connector and some didn't
Jun 09 13:43:51 <hrw> used to say 'TV - I am here, switch to my hdmi port'
Jun 09 13:43:51 <ogra> hrw, but that might change
Jun 09 13:44:27 <lag> Could well be
Jun 09 13:44:38 <lag> Will the Panda work with a connector?
Jun 09 13:44:38 <hrw> BB has hdmi connector just because it is smaller then dvi. works fine with hdmi->hdmi cable and with hdmi->hdmi-to-dvi adapters
Jun 09 13:44:52 <hrw> so far worked for me with dvi monitors and hdmi tv
Jun 09 13:44:54 <ogra> lag, i havent booted mine beyond the uboot prompt yet
Jun 09 13:44:56 <lag> What about Panda?
Jun 09 13:45:12 <lag> ogra: Why so?
Jun 09 13:45:20 <lag> Aren't you working on the kernel?
Jun 09 13:45:21 <ogra> while the BB has DVI i think the panda has HDMI
Jun 09 13:45:32 <ogra> lag, i'm working on all the rest :)
Jun 09 13:45:34 <lag> Right, so the connector will be no good?
Jun 09 13:45:44 <ogra> yeah, likely
Jun 09 13:46:01 <lag> Well I don't want to outlay for a new monitor :S
Jun 09 13:49:01 * ogra stbs jasper 
Jun 09 13:49:05 <ogra> *stabs even
Jun 09 14:05:49 <lag> cooloney: ping
Jun 09 14:11:44 <cooloney> lag: lee, man
Jun 09 14:12:25 <lag> ubuntu@panda:~$ ls /
Jun 09 14:12:25 <lag> bin   dev  home  lost+found  mnt  proc  sbin     srv  tmp  var
Jun 09 14:12:25 <lag> boot  etc  lib   media       opt  root  selinux  sys  usr
Jun 09 14:12:31 <lag> Good work
Jun 09 14:13:35 <lag> cooloney: --^
Jun 09 14:13:44 <cooloney> lag: haha, cong, man
Jun 09 14:14:11 <lag> cong?
Jun 09 14:14:16 <cooloney> lag: very good news before my sleep. you built your own u-boot to make it boot?
Jun 09 14:14:51 <cooloney> lag: sorry, congrats
Jun 09 14:14:57 <lag> The u-boot I was trying to use didn't pass the kernel's system ID check
Jun 09 14:14:59 <ogra> king cong :)
Jun 09 14:15:06 <ogra> (very big congrats)
Jun 09 14:15:14 <cooloney> ogra: lol
Jun 09 14:15:21 <lag> You mean King Kong?
Jun 09 14:15:26 <ogra> pfft
Jun 09 14:15:31 <ogra> chars
Jun 09 14:15:41 <cooloney> lag: hmm, that reminds me a warning message from dmesg
Jun 09 14:15:51 <lag> Oh?
Jun 09 14:16:06 <cooloney> lag: Uninitialized omap_chip, please fix!
Jun 09 14:16:13 <cooloney> did you see that in your dmesg?
Jun 09 14:16:28 <lag> Oh yeah, I see it
Jun 09 14:16:45 <lag> Yeah, it's in dmesg
Jun 09 14:16:53 <cooloney> the kernel code checked omap cpu id or system id something like that
Jun 09 14:16:54 <lag> ubuntu@panda:~$ dmesg | grep -i omap_chip
Jun 09 14:16:54 <lag> Uninitialized omap_chip, please fix!
Jun 09 14:16:55 <cooloney> and failed
Jun 09 14:17:01 <cooloney> then print out this
Jun 09 14:17:05 <cooloney> maybe relatedt
Jun 09 14:17:13 <cooloney> i will check them later
Jun 09 14:17:21 <cooloney> lag, thanks for testing, man
Jun 09 14:17:36 * cooloney gonna sleep now.
Jun 09 14:17:50 <lag> No problem - speak to you tomorrow
Jun 09 14:18:08 <cooloney> have a nice day, guys
Jun 09 14:32:08 <orbarron> ogra: any issues with pandaboard or trees?
Jun 09 14:32:28 <ogra> orbarron, see above, lag successfully booted his panda
Jun 09 14:32:38 * orbarron reads... 
Jun 09 14:32:45 <ogra> i'm currently hogged with image building which i do on a C4
Jun 09 14:33:02 <ogra> not much spare time for omap4 work here
Jun 09 14:34:18 <orbarron> np...
Jun 09 14:44:39 <orbarron> lag: pandaboard has DVI + HDMI and HDMI to DVI connection will work with a small hack
Jun 09 14:48:47 <lag> I should have a monitor with HDMI built-in with me tomorrow
Jun 09 14:49:07 <lag> What would the hack be?
Jun 09 14:52:53 * orbarron dealing with dsi clk issues but for the mean time you can do this --> http://pastebin.com/8LVZYWnx 
Jun 09 14:53:05 <hrw> orbarron: hi Omar
Jun 09 14:53:17 <orbarron> hrw: sup...
Jun 09 14:53:47 <mpoirier_> asac
Jun 09 15:04:44 <asac> mpoirier_: !!
Jun 09 15:05:41 <mpoirier_> asac: good morning.
Jun 09 15:05:59 <mpoirier_> asac: ogra tells me you have a beagleboard C4 - is this correct ?
Jun 09 15:06:37 <asac> mpoirier_: why? ;)
Jun 09 15:07:10 <mpoirier_> asac: I could use it if you don't need it.
Jun 09 15:07:16 <asac> I need it
Jun 09 15:07:23 <ogra> asac, mpoirier is our new omap3 maintainer in the kernel team
Jun 09 15:07:39 <asac> mpoirier_: alread discused with ogra. we gave boards to davidm for distro
Jun 09 15:07:43 <ogra> mpoirier, we're waiting for feedback from lool, he should know what happened to the missing boards
Jun 09 15:08:04 <asac> if nothing helps and its urgent i would suggest to buy a board ;)
Jun 09 15:08:05 <ogra> according to asac they should all be at davidm's place
Jun 09 15:09:03 <mpoirier_> ogra: and davidm is coming back next week ?
Jun 09 15:09:07 <ogra> will be faster to wait until next week
Jun 09 15:09:14 <ogra> mpoirier_, yes
Jun 09 15:09:23 <ogra> asac, and we *have* 7 boards in mobile
Jun 09 15:09:34 <ogra> its just a matter where they actually are
Jun 09 15:09:58 <asac> well ... one dev blocked for half a day is probably more expensive than a board ;)
Jun 09 15:10:13 <asac> and we are already pulling in 4 devs into this discussion ;)
Jun 09 15:10:20 <ogra> asac, ordering and shipping a beagle takes more than a weekend
Jun 09 15:10:28 <ogra> 4 ?
Jun 09 15:10:36 <asac> me you mpoirier_ and lool
Jun 09 15:10:49 <ogra> well, no trace of lool :)
Jun 09 15:10:52 <ogra> so 3 :P
Jun 09 15:11:03 <asac> but lool will have to read plenty of backlog now ;)
Jun 09 15:12:30 <asac> anyway ... mpoirier_: welcome!
Jun 09 15:22:48 <ogra> mpoirier_, GrueMaster is your guineapig !
Jun 09 15:23:51 <mpoirier_> ogra: cool - thanks.
Jun 09 15:24:19 <mpoirier_> GrueMaster: can I send you a uImage ?
Jun 09 15:27:45 <GrueMaster> Or post it online and I can download it.
Jun 09 15:58:33 <lool> asac: Is the backlog relevant still?
Jun 09 15:58:46 <lool> I read this channel usually, but I wont make the full backlog Im afraid
Jun 09 15:58:55 <lool> hey mpoirier_!
Jun 09 15:59:14 <mpoirier_> lool: good morning.
Jun 09 15:59:32 <mpoirier_> lool: I need a beableboard C4, do you need yours ?
Jun 09 15:59:42 <ogra> lool, it isnt
Jun 09 15:59:51 <mpoirier_> lool: what version then ?
Jun 09 15:59:57 <ogra> lool, the discussion in the other channel solved itr
Jun 09 15:59:58 <lool> mpoirier_: Mine is a C3 and is personally owned
Jun 09 16:00:01 <ogra> *it
Jun 09 16:00:11 <ogra> mpoirier_, see PM
Jun 09 16:00:21 <lool> mpoirier_: I understand that if you want to find an idle one, you should ask davidm cause he might have a couple of spare ones
Jun 09 16:00:35 <mpoirier_> lool: yes, he's on vacation.
Jun 09 16:00:54 <lool> mpoirier_: If that blocks you in anyway, I highly recommend you talk to your manager: buying it and expensing it might be cheaper than the time you're losing searching for one
Jun 09 16:00:57 <ogra> lool, for now GrueMaster will help testing
Jun 09 16:01:15 <lool> mpoirier_: Are you testing kernels?
Jun 09 16:01:21 <lool> mpoirier_: You could also use qemu-maemo   :-)
Jun 09 16:01:25 <lool> (/me lols)
Jun 09 16:01:30 <ogra> *grin*
Jun 09 16:01:36 <mpoirier_> lool: yes, I ping'ed you  before GrueMaster got on board.
Jun 09 16:01:44 <mpoirier_> lool: I need real Hw
Jun 09 16:01:59 <lool> mpoirier_: So mattman has been making progress on booting up to a framebuffer our regular Ubuntu omap kernels in qemu-maemo + his patches
Jun 09 16:02:26 <mpoirier_> lool: I'm after a misbehaving SD card controller.
Jun 09 16:02:32 <lool> mpoirier_: So perhaps you can ask pgraner whether you can expense it?
Jun 09 16:02:48 <mpoirier_> lool: yes, that is also in the works.
Jun 09 16:02:49 <ogra> lool, davidm shoudl be able to send one out on monday
Jun 09 16:03:00 <lool> Up to you guys, many options on the table
Jun 09 16:03:01 <mpoirier_> lool: ogra is correct.
Jun 09 16:03:02 <ogra> so it should arrive on wed. on CDN
Jun 09 16:03:07 <ogra> *in
Jun 09 16:03:22 <mpoirier_> lool: thanks for getting back to me.
Jun 09 16:03:39 <asac> lool: nope
Jun 09 16:04:05 <jayabharath> orga: I'm curious...Is there any stats on how many people actually downloaded the 10.04 Ubuntu image for beagleboard from ubuntu.com ? Who would know this detail
Jun 09 16:04:43 <ogra> jayabharath, hmm, no idea, our is team probably, try to ask elmo in #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-release
Jun 09 16:04:56 <jayabharath> ok
Jun 09 16:05:20 <jayabharath> orga: Also, I got a bunch of beagle folks a little annoyed with the way Ubunutu CD images.. work... it boots up from SD... overwrite the uboot on nand... messes with the existing SD card...
Jun 09 16:05:26 <ogra> (i guess -release is the better channel for that)
Jun 09 16:05:42 <jayabharath> orga: Will check on -release channel
Jun 09 16:05:45 <ogra> jayabharath, yeah, that will be fixed in maverick
Jun 09 16:05:54 <hrw> have nice day
Jun 09 16:06:33 <ogra> jayabharath, i wanted to use a vfat partition but had no time left to implement that, NAND was the quickest way back then
Jun 09 16:06:46 <jayabharath> orga: I see...
Jun 09 16:06:59 <ogra> maverick will be quite different in that regard
Jun 09 16:07:11 <jayabharath> orga: gotcha.. wanted to feed this input back to you...
Jun 09 16:07:34 <jayabharath> orga: As you are changing behavior feel free to discuss on #beagle channel too...
Jun 09 16:07:43 <ogra> yeah, i knew it wasnt the best to do when i implemented it, if someone asks you again send them to me, i'll pay them beer
Jun 09 16:07:55 <jayabharath> orga: or write up a blog post :)
Jun 09 16:08:15 <jayabharath> ogra: I am sure people a few folks here can use beers ;)
Jun 09 16:08:17 <ogra> jayabharath, i will hopefulle meet some of the #beagle folks tomorrow at linuxtag
Jun 09 16:08:35 * ogra wants to meet koen in person at least
Jun 09 16:08:46 <jayabharath> ogra: most certainly... I belive Koen is planning to be there...
Jun 09 16:08:56 <ogra> yeah, he will leave tomorrow evening
Jun 09 16:09:08 <jayabharath> orga: check his pockets he will have a few beagleXMs :)
Jun 09 16:09:08 <ogra> thats why i go tomorrow, else i would have gone fri and sat
Jun 09 16:09:17 <ogra> heh
Jun 09 16:12:38 * ogra goes back to his initramfs pain
Jun 09 16:20:25 <ogra> NCommander, did you see my ping above btw ?
Jun 09 16:20:43 <ogra> NCommander, bug 583317
Jun 09 16:20:44 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 583317 in genext2fs (Ubuntu) "genext2fs creates revision 0 filesystems instead of revision 1 (affects: 1) (heat: 156)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583317
Jun 09 16:40:55 <ogra> yay
Jun 09 16:41:23 <ogra> asac, dropping the fsck and instead diong e2fsck during image build fixes jasper :)
Jun 09 16:42:53 <asac> ogra: hackish!
Jun 09 16:43:04 <ogra> why ?
Jun 09 16:43:07 <asac> j.k.
Jun 09 16:43:11 <ogra> heh
Jun 09 16:43:34 <asac> what is that doing different?
Jun 09 16:43:35 <ogra> now i need a solution for that horridly long resize process
Jun 09 16:43:50 <asac> write a script to put stuff on sdcard ;)
Jun 09 16:43:59 <asac> or other media
Jun 09 16:44:00 <ogra> the fsck exited with exit 2 due to the fact that the timestamp is out of order
Jun 09 16:44:12 <ogra> that tears down the whole initramfs script
Jun 09 16:44:22 <ogra> so it never gets to the resize operation
Jun 09 16:44:46 <ogra> no, no scripts, the image will be dd'able like all ubuntu images
Jun 09 16:48:32 <ogra> (initramfs) df
Jun 09 16:48:32 <ogra> Filesystem           1024-blocks    Used Available Use% Mounted on
Jun 09 16:48:32 <ogra> none                    116988       128    116860   0% /dev
Jun 09 16:48:32 <ogra> /dev/mmcblk0p2         3767479    400383   3177098  11% /root
Jun 09 16:48:34 <ogra> wohoo !
Jun 09 16:57:45 <ogra> Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ...
Jun 09 16:57:45 <ogra> [    4.288238]  mmcblk0: p1 p2
Jun 09 16:57:45 <ogra> Resizing root filesystem please wait, this will take several minutes ...
Jun 09 16:57:50 * ogra dances
Jun 09 17:03:01 <GrueMaster> cool.
Jun 09 17:03:18 <ogra> hmm, several ...
Jun 09 17:07:30 <ogra> 6 min for 4G
Jun 09 17:10:19 <GrueMaster> what system is this on?
Jun 09 17:11:02 <GrueMaster> Also, what class SD card?
Jun 09 17:11:47 <GrueMaster> ogra: ^^^
Jun 09 17:12:31 <ogra> class4 4G sandisk on the beagle C4
Jun 09 17:12:43 <ogra> growing the root from 450M to 4G
Jun 09 17:12:50 <GrueMaster> That will be a bit slow.
Jun 09 17:13:01 <ogra> the netbook image will be 1.4G
Jun 09 17:13:04 <GrueMaster> Slow I/O, slow SD card.
Jun 09 17:13:18 <ogra> i have some hope it will be faster to grow from 1.4 to 4G
Jun 09 17:13:30 <GrueMaster> 1.4G for the image?  Is that the download size?
Jun 09 17:14:09 <ogra> nop
Jun 09 17:14:17 <GrueMaster> ok.
Jun 09 17:14:21 <ogra> the image will be a .img.bz2 file :)
Jun 09 17:14:26 <ogra> will be around 500M
Jun 09 17:14:35 <ogra> you need to uncompress and dd it
Jun 09 17:14:35 <GrueMaster> We need to keep it below 700M if possible.
Jun 09 17:15:00 <ogra> well
Jun 09 17:15:19 <ogra> i'll do that if thats possible, but its a preinstalled image
Jun 09 17:15:29 <ogra> its not like anything we built before
Jun 09 17:15:59 <GrueMaster> I understand.  That is going to have to be part of the package selection process.
Jun 09 17:16:03 <ogra> so i dont really care if it bumps above 700M
Jun 09 17:16:39 <GrueMaster> The 700M limit is mainly for distribution purposes.  So people can order a copy of the image on CD.
Jun 09 17:16:50 <ogra> who does that ?
Jun 09 17:17:02 <ogra> where would that be offered ?
Jun 09 17:17:04 <GrueMaster> People with low bandwidth.
Jun 09 17:17:24 <ogra> for these 20 ppl we can also send out a dvd
Jun 09 17:17:30 <GrueMaster> Doesn't that show up on ubuntu.com?
Jun 09 17:17:36 <GrueMaster> heh.
Jun 09 17:17:38 <ogra> since that will be a manual effort anyway
Jun 09 17:17:57 <ogra> arm images arent offered in the shop
Jun 09 17:18:22 <GrueMaster> oh.
Jun 09 17:18:32 <ogra> cross your fingers, i might be able to give you a "serial only, commandline only" preinstalled image today
Jun 09 17:18:41 <GrueMaster> Then why the fuss over image size in past cycles?
Jun 09 17:18:49 <GrueMaster> That would be cool.
Jun 09 17:18:56 <GrueMaster> I can always add from there.
Jun 09 17:19:08 <ogra> ask david and persia :)
Jun 09 17:19:14 <GrueMaster> (assuming I have some console).
Jun 09 17:19:28 <ogra> i always insisted its nonsense to bind ourselves to 700M
Jun 09 17:29:48 <ogra> GrueMaster, bah, oem-config doesnt start :/
Jun 09 17:29:56 <GrueMaster> oops.
Jun 09 17:29:59 <ogra> lol
Jun 09 17:30:04 <ogra> heh, i spoke to soon
Jun 09 17:30:11 <ogra> it just runs on tty1
Jun 09 17:30:46 <ogra> so you have to jump between serial for booting and tty1 for oem-config with this image, lets see
Jun 09 17:34:27 <ogra> hmm, no keyboard might be because it doesnt think there is a console
Jun 09 17:34:36 * ogra retries
Jun 09 17:34:42 <ogra> last round now
Jun 09 17:48:15 <ogra> GrueMaster, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/jasper/ give it another 10min for the upload and you can pull it
Jun 09 17:48:28 <ogra> (shoudl be around 132M if its done)
Jun 09 17:48:37 <GrueMaster> ok
Jun 09 17:49:33 <GrueMaster> so, why hold down the user button?
Jun 09 17:49:34 <ogra> GrueMaster, oh, and ignore the OOM message from ureadahead during boot :) i have to talk to Keybuk about that one its no issue (at least it shouldnt be)
Jun 09 17:49:53 <ogra> to make it use x.loader from the SD
Jun 09 17:50:00 <GrueMaster> ah.
Jun 09 17:50:05 <ogra> *x-loader
Jun 09 17:50:38 <ogra> i have one old B3 board here that doesnt get along with the old x-loader in NAND and the new u-boot on the SD
Jun 09 17:50:43 <GrueMaster> I would have just used the uboot cmdline, but this works.
Jun 09 17:50:46 <ogra> so thats the safest option
Jun 09 17:51:14 * ogra really hopes oem-config will DTRT
Jun 09 17:51:30 <ogra> i havent seen it finishing yet, but i have to end my day
Jun 09 17:52:28 <GrueMaster> ok.  I'll start testing and let you know how it turns out.
Jun 09 17:52:38 <ogra> oh, and if you fiddle with kernels, you have to mount mmcblk0p1 manually and generate uImage and uInitrd manually onto that partition
Jun 09 17:52:55 <ogra> flash-kernel doesnt know the new image design yet
Jun 09 17:53:05 <GrueMaster> I only have 2G & 4G SD cards atm.  Will order an 8, 16, & 32 on payday.
Jun 09 17:53:11 <ogra> be aware it will all be fiddly and broken atm :)
Jun 09 17:53:20 <GrueMaster> ok
Jun 09 17:53:44 <GrueMaster> I didn't think it would be release wothy yet.
Jun 09 17:53:46 <ogra> its my first manually rolled test
Jun 09 17:53:55 <GrueMaster> s/wothy/worthy
Jun 09 17:54:00 <ogra> if stuff works its a matter of luck :)
Jun 09 17:55:14 <ogra> hmm, but it seems to work
Jun 09 17:56:31 <ogra> bah
Jun 09 17:56:46 <ogra> jasper is removed but oem-config didnt re-roll the initramfs
Jun 09 17:56:56 <GrueMaster> hrm.
Jun 09 17:56:57 <ogra> so it will try to resize on next boot again :(
Jun 09 17:57:28 <GrueMaster> I didn't think oem-config rerolled the initrd.
Jun 09 17:57:57 <ogra> cjwatson said it would
Jun 09 17:58:16 <ogra> well, sudo apt-get purge jasper && sudo update-initramfs -u
Jun 09 17:58:17 <GrueMaster> Might need an extra parameter.
Jun 09 17:58:41 <ogra> and then the mkimage stuff and copying uInitrd to the first partition
Jun 09 17:59:56 <GrueMaster> finished downloading, extracting and dd'ng now.
Jun 09 18:00:04 <ogra> good luck :)
Jun 09 18:00:09 * ogra is gone
Jun 09 18:00:30 <GrueMaster> g'night.
Jun 09 20:19:39 <slangasek> jcrigby: any luck yet with linkat?
Jun 09 20:20:33 <slangasek> jcrigby: it's looking to me like a regression in gnulib's linkat replacement, which was only introduced to the coreutils package in the merge of the latest upstream release; but I have no clue why it's not showing up on all archs
Jun 09 20:24:27 <bullet9mm> ciao a tutti...c'è qualche anima pia che mi potrebbe consigliare qualche fonte per poter installare ubuntu su processore arm?
Jun 09 20:26:35 <bullet9mm> sorry...there is someone who can advise me about some source of information for installing ubuntu on arm?
Jun 09 20:32:20 <slangasek> bullet9mm: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ provides images for Dove an i.MX51 systems; http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/10.04/release/ has images for OMAP3 systems (e.g., the Beagleboard); https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM is the landing page for ARM on Ubuntu information in general
Jun 09 20:32:25 <slangasek> <- anima pia
Jun 09 20:35:04 <bullet9mm> slangasek  .....grazie...era proprio quello che stavo cercando...
Jun 09 20:36:37 <slangasek> you're welcome :)
Jun 09 20:37:21 <GrueMaster> bullet9mm: What platform are you interested in specifically?
Jun 09 20:40:56 <jcrigby> slangasek: still working on it, not much progress yet
Jun 09 20:41:55 <jcrigby> I did notice a linkat fix in ltp.  Something about not doing the test in a tmpfs mount because you get a different error for one of the tests
Jun 09 20:43:05 <jcrigby> Also once my build did finish the resulting binary seemed to work for me on qemu
Jun 09 20:43:34 <slangasek> jcrigby: ok.  Things I've learned so far: REPLACE_LINKAT is being set but isn't used when linking the test suite; LINK_FOLLOWS_SYMLINK is detected as '0' in the build env, which is the condition that causes the failing assert to be tested; and these two things are related
Jun 09 20:43:48 <slangasek> jcrigby: oh, interesting - I was testing on tmpfs here as well, maybe I should test on ext3
Jun 09 20:43:54 <slangasek> (my test on NFS+gssapi failed miserably :)
Jun 09 20:44:08 <jcrigby> ahh
Jun 09 20:44:46 <slangasek> it was definitely reproducible for me on tmpfs
Jun 09 20:48:07 <kblin> hey slangasek
Jun 09 20:48:13 * slangasek waves
Jun 09 20:48:24 <slangasek> kblin: how goes? :)
Jun 09 20:48:38 <kblin> fine, busy with work, but then who isn't :)
Jun 09 21:34:02 <bullet9mm> sorry for the delay...I'm watching for beagleboard and igepv3 board...
Jun 09 21:34:18 <bullet9mm> GrueMaster
Jun 09 21:35:36 <GrueMaster> Not sure about the igepv3 board, but we have detailed instructions for 10.04 on beagle at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle.
Jun 09 21:38:07 <bullet9mm> yes...I've watched it 20 minute ago...cool doc...  :)
Jun 09 21:38:15 <bullet9mm> *minutes
Jun 09 21:39:18 <GrueMaster> Maverick images (10.10) will be live from the start.  No installation. (we will still have a netboot install image).
Jun 09 21:44:07 <bullet9mm> I've found this...
Jun 09 21:44:09 <bullet9mm> http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard
Jun 09 21:44:14 <bullet9mm> it's ok?
Jun 09 21:47:26 <GrueMaster> I guess.  It is more of a general info page for beagleboards.  It has a lot of great info, but their Ubuntu Lucid info is a bit weak.
Jun 09 21:49:10 <bullet9mm> mmm..
Jun 09 21:49:14 <GrueMaster> It doesn't even mention our live netbook image.
Jun 09 21:49:32 <GrueMaster> Other than that minor detail, the info looks good.
Jun 09 21:50:55 <bullet9mm> got it...some impression about beagleboard+lucid?
Jun 09 21:52:16 <GrueMaster> It works.  Main issue is memory limitations on the beagleboard, and there are some apps that have issues, mainly mono based apps.
Jun 09 21:53:22 <GrueMaster> Also, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/LucidReleaseNotes
Jun 09 21:54:32 <bullet9mm> are you talking about the RAM?
Jun 09 21:55:06 <GrueMaster> yes.  The beagleboard only has 256M.  The XM has 512, which should help with performance.
Jun 09 21:56:54 <bullet9mm> yes...but it isn't on sale...still...
Jun 09 21:58:10 <bullet9mm> ...think wait for the XM version...
Jun 09 21:58:43 <GrueMaster> The XM is on sale.  Just out of stock (I think).
Jun 09 21:59:14 <slangasek> is it, now? I heard there were production delays
Jun 09 22:01:27 <bullet9mm> yes...I have asked into the beagleboard's irc chan and they responded me that it isn't on sale...
Jun 09 22:02:01 <GrueMaster> Ah.  beagleboard.org hasn't been updated then.
Jun 09 22:03:27 <bullet9mm> @.@
Jun 09 22:04:37 <bullet9mm> then xm are for sale but out of stock?
Jun 09 22:05:33 <bullet9mm> *on sale
Jun 09 22:06:57 <slangasek> jcrigby: same failure on ext3
Jun 09 22:07:23 <slangasek> jcrigby: beagleboard, in all cases; if you're in qemu, maybe the x86ness of the env is showing through and leading you astray :/
Jun 09 22:13:06 <jcrigby> perhaps
Jun 09 22:16:47 <cwillu_at_work> GrueMaster, bullet9mm, afaik the xm isn't available yet
Jun 09 22:17:26 <GrueMaster> That's what was said earlier.  Any idea as to eta?
Jun 09 22:17:34 <cwillu_at_work> nope
Jun 09 22:17:38 <cwillu_at_work> "soon"
Jun 09 22:18:08 <bullet9mm> :(
Jun 09 22:19:26 <cwillu_at_work> I'm disappointed they dropped the sd reader;  you can't get good microsd cards in my experience
Jun 09 22:21:09 <GrueMaster> Well, Amazon has 2 16G class 10 microSD cards, but they are almost $100 US.
Jun 09 22:21:22 <cwillu_at_work> that doesn't tell you anything useful though
Jun 09 22:21:39 <GrueMaster> Too bad they aren't using regular SD instead of microSD.
Jun 09 22:21:46 <cwillu_at_work> you need to know if it's slc flash, and you need to know the wear-levelling, or at least a firmware revision so that you can know that your testing is meaningful
Jun 09 22:25:07 <rcn-ee> gerald and ti are saying early-mid july for shipments in quanity...
Jun 09 22:27:06 <bullet9mm> nice :)
Jun 09 22:28:05 <bullet9mm> ...do you think that xm will able to support kde4?
Jun 09 22:28:28 <rcn-ee> ah.. my 'Bx' rand kde 2 years ago...
Jun 09 22:29:07 <rcn-ee> it just needs lots of swap, use an external usb drive and don't bother with a slow mmc card...
Jun 09 22:29:44 <cwillu_at_work> 512mb should be sufficient to run it without swap though
Jun 09 22:30:25 <bullet9mm> yes...i think too...
Jun 09 22:31:26 <rcn-ee> if you have a igepv_2 laying around, just give that a try. (it has 512Mb). (and image the cpu speed bumped from 720 to 1Ghz)
Jun 09 22:32:56 <cwillu_at_work> hmm, there's a 2gb microsd with slc flash :/
Jun 09 22:33:56 <bullet9mm> in fact they are undecided between XM and beagleboard igepv2 ... any advice?
Jun 09 22:34:17 <bullet9mm> sorry...I'm undecided
Jun 09 22:34:28 <rcn-ee> well the beagleboard and igepv2 are available now..  xm in july...
Jun 09 22:34:32 <cwillu_at_work> bullet9mm, igepv2 is actually intended for industrial/commercial purposes, the beagle doesn't have any such guarentees
Jun 09 22:35:07 <rcn-ee> the beagles is only 'guarented' to be a dev board, anything you do beyond that is up to your testing.. ;)
Jun 09 22:35:13 <cwillu_at_work> exactly
Jun 09 22:35:19 <bullet9mm> mmm...and igev2 have bluetooth and wifi modules embedded...
Jun 09 22:35:44 <rcn-ee> i keep hearing rumors of a igev3.. is that comming out this summer?
Jun 09 22:36:58 <cwillu_at_work> oooo, a 4gb microsd with a manufacturer quoted write endurance of 2 million read/write/erase cycles
Jun 09 22:37:13 <cwillu_at_work> that would make the xm (and the igep) doable for me
Jun 09 22:37:57 <cwillu_at_work> and I can get them through bluestar
Jun 09 22:38:01 <cwillu_at_work> oh, goodie
Jun 09 22:38:04 * cwillu_at_work does a happy dance
Jun 09 22:38:06 <rcn-ee> do they have a written guarntee? i know your going to test it..  (on the bright side, i believe the xm is coming with a micro-sd card with angstrom (not 100%) i'll probally be an el cheapo micro-sd0
Jun 09 22:38:23 <cwillu_at_work> yep
Jun 09 22:38:38 <cwillu_at_work> yep to the el cheapo, that was
Jun 09 22:38:40 <cwillu_at_work> http://www.atpinc.com/p2-4a.php?sn=00000391
Jun 09 22:38:54 <cwillu_at_work> they quote that value in the specs sheet
Jun 09 22:39:39 <cwillu_at_work> I'll have to wait until tomorrow to find prices though :/
Jun 09 22:39:50 <bullet9mm> any idea about an lcd touch for igepv2?..the beagle lcd it's ok?
Jun 09 22:40:36 <cwillu_at_work> nope, sorry
Jun 09 22:40:43 <bullet9mm> at first sight seems to be...
Jun 09 22:40:59 <bullet9mm> O.o
Jun 09 22:41:36 <cwillu_at_work> as in I don't know :p
Jun 09 22:41:42 <bullet9mm> http://www.igep.es/images/stories/igepv2_rc_photo2.jpg
Jun 09 22:42:04 <rcn-ee> no.. i haven't seen a good lcd solution available for beagles yet..  the interface is their on the cx's..
Jun 09 22:42:05 <bullet9mm> the socket seems the same...
Jun 09 22:42:37 <bullet9mm> http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/BB-BT/BeagleTouch
Jun 09 22:43:20 <rcn-ee> that's actually very nice...
Jun 09 22:45:49 <cwillu_at_work> heh: http://www.liquidware.com/shop/show/QCT/QuadCore+Tower+Kit
Jun 09 22:47:37 <bullet9mm> niiicee  :)
Jun 09 22:47:49 <cwillu_at_work> siiiily  :p
Jun 09 22:49:04 <bullet9mm> it's a gem...not useful, but a gem...
Jun 09 22:49:08 <bullet9mm> :P
Jun 09 23:17:46 <slangasek> jcrigby: have opened bug #591968 with my notes to date on this issue (they were starting to fall out of my head)
Jun 09 23:17:48 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 591968 in coreutils (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "coreutils 8.5-1ubuntu1 FTBFS on armel, powerpc, sparc (test-linkat assert fail) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/591968
Jun 09 23:19:00 <NCommander> ogra: so you fixed jasper?
Jun 09 23:36:08 <bullet9mm> go to bed...good night!  :)
Jun 09 23:38:14 <GrueMaster> NCommander: ogra is either in bed or traveling.
Jun 09 23:47:07 <jcrigby> slangasek: ok thanks
Jun 10 00:29:49 * mozzwald is away: off to grandmothers house I go
Jun 10 01:14:13 * cwillu_at_work pokes around in rcn-ee's general direction
Jun 10 01:14:19 <jcrigby> slangasek: still around?
Jun 10 01:14:24 <slangasek> jcrigby: yep
Jun 10 01:14:39 <jcrigby> just added a comment to the bug
Jun 10 01:15:15 <jcrigby> I won't repeat it here
Jun 10 01:19:04 <slangasek> jcrigby: hmm, is that strcmp() actually failing for you?  It didn't for me
Jun 10 01:19:15 <slangasek> only the SAME_INODE() check fails
Jun 10 01:19:34 <slangasek> (sorry, the line number is wrong in the logs I posted to the bug report because I inserted some other debugging)
Jun 10 01:19:52 <slangasek> should be line 73 in the original file
Jun 10 01:21:09 <jcrigby> I only have your strace data.  Strace does not work in qemu user emulation mode
Jun 10 01:22:02 <slangasek> OK
Jun 10 01:22:04 <jcrigby> from the strace data, I would predict that strcmp would fail
Jun 10 01:22:16 <jcrigby> given the ... on the end of the strings
Jun 10 01:22:21 <jcrigby> string
Jun 10 01:22:40 <slangasek> I think that's an abberation in the strace output; if it was really non-null garbage data, I would have expected it inside the double quote
Jun 10 01:23:33 <slangasek> rather - it may be signalling that there's more data there, but the string appears to be properly null terminated
Jun 10 01:25:31 <jcrigby> can you try using calloc instead of malloc in areadlink_with_size and see if the problem goes away?  Just to humor me:)
Jun 10 01:26:17 <slangasek> sure, lemme find it
Jun 10 01:26:58 <slangasek> you want calloc(1, buf_size)?
Jun 10 01:27:02 <jcrigby> its in lib/areadlink-with-size.c
Jun 10 01:27:36 <jcrigby> yes, that should do it
Jun 10 01:27:40 <slangasek> rebuilding
Jun 10 01:28:23 <jcrigby> Meanwhile I'm going to figure out what strace really means by "string"...
Jun 10 01:36:55 <slangasek> jcrigby: sorry, have to afk now and the build is still running (I took the lazy way out to rebuild, which means it's rebuilding everything and will take a while) - I'll report results when I return later this evening
Jun 10 01:38:30 <slangasek> btw, it looks like the code does append the trailing \0?
Jun 10 01:38:32 <slangasek>       if (link_length < buf_size)
Jun 10 01:38:32 <slangasek>         {
Jun 10 01:38:32 <slangasek>           buffer[link_length] = 0;
Jun 10 01:38:32 <slangasek>           return buffer;
Jun 10 01:38:34 <slangasek>         }
Jun 10 01:41:29 <jcrigby> slangasek: oops
Jun 10 02:03:51 <jcrigby> slangasek:ok sorry about the wild goose chase.   I have noticed one other oddity.  The test uses the size returned from lstat in the call to areadlink_with_size which should be 17 according to the strace data.  areadlink_with_size adds 1 to it and calls readlink.  In the amd64 case we see 18 which makes sense.  However, the armel strace shows 1025 which means that 1024 was passed to areadlink_with_size.
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