**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 16 02:59:56 2010 Aug 16 10:03:44 can someone give me a good ubuntu 10.4 support channel please?. Aug 16 10:07:26 anyone here please Aug 16 10:57:07 GrueMaster, bug 607291 ... something to test for you Aug 16 10:57:08 Launchpad bug 607291 in taglib-sharp (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "[MIR] banshee (affects: 1) (heat: 137)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/607291 Aug 16 11:03:21 ogra: I'll try. We still don't have a working image, so I will have to use A3 as a baseline and update. I'mstill working on setting up while in this QA meeting. Aug 16 11:03:36 asac, ^^^ Aug 16 11:03:47 GrueMaster, yeah, asac just wants to know the status Aug 16 11:20:56 GrueMaster: you can just dist-upgrade existing installs. Aug 16 11:20:59 want to know if banshee works Aug 16 11:21:30 I'm aware of the process, but limited on resources atm. I will get to it asap. Aug 16 11:21:34 ogra: gruemaster is gone. maybe dyfet or someone else can check? Aug 16 11:21:42 GrueMaster: sure Aug 16 11:21:54 we need to find someone else getting us the info then ;) Aug 16 11:22:23 How critical that thishappensin the next 30 minutes? Aug 16 11:22:25 what is this question? Aug 16 11:24:29 ah...I think I see from the bug... Aug 16 11:51:29 Hi can anyone recommend some good reading for ubuntu on arm running under qemu? Aug 16 11:58:09 notlistening: Sure thing Aug 16 11:58:22 heh Aug 16 11:58:36 notlistening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Ports are good starting points IMO Aug 16 11:59:52 asac: You didn't answer my question. I am working to getting to where I can run this, but I am running into boot issues after running dist-upgrade. Aug 16 12:00:00 On panda Aug 16 12:00:39 GrueMaster: today is good enough (not in 30minutes) ... please highlight me when asking questions ;) Aug 16 12:00:55 notlistening: Sorry, which Tom are you? Marble? Aug 16 12:02:36 ogra: My panda (es1) is not booting past "* Setting sensors limits", and I have no console to try to figure out what broke. Aug 16 12:03:00 I may need to do a package by package dist-upgrade (very time consuming). Aug 16 12:05:21 GrueMaster: You could try changing the upstart job which sets up the serial console to start earlier Aug 16 12:06:27 GrueMaster: e.g. instead of start on runlevel [23], you'd start on local-filesystems Aug 16 12:06:46 Or you could break the boot with init=/bin/sh and try to start piece by piece Aug 16 12:14:02 thanks lool Aug 16 12:14:58 lool Tom that nobpdy knows Aug 16 12:19:06 what I am planning to do is evetually have the system from qemu running on an actual hardware board. Can any one see an problems with doing it like that? I have compiled a hardware specific kernel Aug 16 12:25:27 That should be fine Aug 16 12:53:19 hi,i met a problem using midori in my handled device Aug 16 12:55:45 everytime i try clicking on a textbox or a tickbox or ... , it appears just like it was down. Aug 16 12:56:10 and i have to stop it by lxtask Aug 16 15:14:49 ogra: around? Aug 16 15:45:00 zyga, yep Aug 16 15:45:23 ogra: asac told me you are planning on doing some automatic BB bootup work Aug 16 15:45:34 ogra: (booting arbitrary images without human interaction) Aug 16 15:45:40 well, rather panda but it should also work on BB Aug 16 15:45:50 at least XM Aug 16 15:46:00 but thats for next release Aug 16 15:46:14 ogra_cmpc, what are you planning to do? Aug 16 15:46:53 well, there are two different things i plan Aug 16 15:47:19 one is to have an installer that operates via OTG (like nokias just with a gui) Aug 16 15:47:46 ogra_cmpc, so you'd boot the device via USB? Aug 16 15:47:50 the other is to build a safe PPA setup Aug 16 15:47:53 ogra_cmpc, and continue with that? Aug 16 15:48:02 yeah Aug 16 15:48:18 for the PPA stuff the boards need to boot via serial Aug 16 15:48:26 ogra_cmpc, can BBc4 boot from USB today? Aug 16 15:48:34 no idea Aug 16 15:48:47 ogra_cmpc, I found this guy that apparently did BB booting via USB Aug 16 15:48:48 i know there is a musb uboot branch Aug 16 15:49:07 so i would expect it to work if the HW support is in Aug 16 15:49:20 but anyway I understand Aug 16 15:49:35 (I don't understand the PPA part or how that relates to serial but that is not important today) Aug 16 15:49:39 i'll put a UDS session up for that Aug 16 15:50:28 well, if you do PPAs on real HW you need to make sure that even root has no way to change kernel and boot sequence Aug 16 15:50:55 ogra_cmpc, "do PPA?" Aug 16 15:51:06 thats why we will use a hardcoded u-boot that boots the board from a central serial server Aug 16 15:51:07 install kernel packages from a PPA, correct? Aug 16 15:51:11 no Aug 16 15:51:22 PPA build machines for everyone is my target Aug 16 15:51:54 hmm? Aug 16 15:52:00 like crowd sourced hardware? Aug 16 15:52:01 as soon as we can get pandas in mass production i want to work on getting public armel PPAs for LP Aug 16 15:52:22 so everyone can build armel packages Aug 16 15:53:06 on x86 thats only safe through the fact that we spawn a VM on the buildd, thats not possible on armel which is why we dont have public PPAs Aug 16 15:53:11 my ISP and my power company love you for it ogra_cmpc. Aug 16 15:53:42 GrueMaster, well, you already have access to the arm team PPA Aug 16 15:53:52 ogra_cmpc, I understand Aug 16 15:54:09 if *you* specifically want to build stuff in the DC, just upload to it :) Aug 16 15:54:23 that plan above is more for the unwashed masses ;) Aug 16 16:49:44 GrueMaster: were you able to test your es2? Aug 16 16:51:07 Not yet. I will first thing tomorrow. asac wants this banshee testing run, so I am finishing an update from alpha 3 to do it. Aug 16 16:52:32 Almost at EOD. Beer time. Aug 16 16:53:46 GrueMaster: oh, ok :-) Aug 16 16:54:09 fair enough Aug 16 18:10:17 GrueMaster: ping Aug 16 18:10:29 sup? Aug 16 18:13:02 prpplague: pong? Aug 16 18:13:35 GrueMaster: hey, do you know if canonical is planning to have the PM turned on by default on the 10.10 omap4430 kernel? Aug 16 18:14:01 PM? Power Management? Aug 16 18:14:20 yea Aug 16 18:14:45 I can check, but I believe so. It is on all the other images afaik. Aug 16 18:42:48 prpplague: i still want one :( Aug 16 20:20:07 Hello, Is Ubuntu-MID available for arm using a metapackage? Aug 16 20:34:31 somebody just pointed me at the Sharp PC-Z1 NetWalker that runs 9:04, does anyone know if it'll run maverick ? Aug 16 20:46:52 The Marvell Armada 510 looks very interesting too Aug 16 20:47:08 hopefully either is more stable than a BeagleBoard XM Aug 16 21:01:11 rsavoye: how do you know how stable the xm will be? Aug 16 21:01:35 no, but currently it might as well be a door-stop Aug 16 21:02:03 they don't ship yet, do they? Aug 16 21:02:06 I have an XM, but it's close to useless still, so I'm questing for something else Aug 16 21:02:36 Is there a way to install Ubuntu MID on arm? Aug 16 21:03:26 I think MID is x86 only, but I could be wrong there Aug 16 21:04:04 rsavoye: The image is x86 only I believe I was wondering if packages were available. Aug 16 21:04:28 no idea Aug 16 21:04:31 Like when you run apt-get xubuntu-desktop that type of thing :/ Aug 16 21:05:18 I have yet to get Ubuntu MID to install on any of my x86 netbooks, but these days I'm ARM hacking instead Aug 16 21:05:50 I'm trying to use MID for a phone Aug 16 21:05:56 It looks nice for a small screen Aug 16 21:06:21 I think my Nexus One is almost a MID :-) Aug 16 21:06:42 My iPhone almost is Aug 16 21:06:53 I've had matchbox on it :-/ Aug 16 21:06:59 but the iPhone sucks to develop real software for Aug 16 21:07:04 :o Why? Aug 16 21:07:08 It runs UBuntu Aug 16 21:07:14 Apple sucks :-) Aug 16 21:07:19 Does Ubuntu suck for developing software? :) Aug 16 21:08:07 Apple bricked my original iphone several times, saying I was installing unauthorized software Aug 16 21:09:02 That's never happened to me :S Plus it's now legal to use a jailbreak Aug 16 21:09:17 And if by unauthorised it was pirated, you deserved it xD Aug 16 21:09:49 all I did was port GCC and Gnash :-) Aug 16 21:10:20 When did you port Gnash? Aug 16 21:10:39 way back when it was a new phone, 1st generation Aug 16 21:10:49 Why no release? Aug 16 21:10:49 there is a new port to the iPad, somebody else did it Aug 16 21:11:09 I've had it running on Ubunutu Aug 16 21:11:19 I never released it cause I didn't want to have to do tech support for it Aug 16 21:11:32 Release without support xD Aug 16 21:11:42 I'm overly buried in Gnash support for weird hardware as it is Aug 16 22:40:19 Say, if I install the x86 libflashplayer.so and nspluginwrapper and qemu, can I wrap the x86 Flash on an ARM host like I do on an x86-64 host? Aug 16 22:41:43 can't see why not in principle Aug 16 22:41:52 can't imagine it would be performant of course Aug 16 22:42:58 That's fine. Aug 16 22:43:19 Though, the thing I'm thinking of running with that... would probably take less total time to completely reimplement. Aug 16 22:45:31 ah, and is it a good idea to use btrfs on an sd card? Aug 16 22:48:11 ah, I'm going ext3 for the moment. Aug 16 22:51:38 I'm using btrfs on sd Aug 16 22:51:50 sd cards fail in particularly nasty ways for ext Aug 16 22:52:37 specifically, very few sd cards do actual full device wear levelling, so your journal is staying on a small number of erase blocks Aug 16 22:53:05 when one of those blocks go bad, you lose the journal, and get to put your filesystem back together from pieces in /lost+found Aug 16 22:53:50 and then it happens again a week later when the next erase block that the journal levels over starts to give unrecoverable errors Aug 16 22:55:03 Say, if I wanted to make a system that wouldn't need write access, how would I do that? Aug 16 22:55:15 Most stuff breaks badly with read-only root. Aug 16 22:55:34 not really Aug 16 22:55:45 anything that needs write access outside of /var is broken Aug 16 22:55:49 well, and /tmp Aug 16 22:55:50 Something about union, I'd guess. Aug 16 22:57:44 the alternative is to look at how the livecd's do it (i.e., union), but that's a bit too magic for my tastes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 17 02:59:57 2010