**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 02:59:57 2010 Aug 18 08:13:17 Morning all. Aug 18 09:08:54 Say, I can't start lxsession. Aug 18 09:09:15 Here's a strace of it: http://pastebin.com/4QntHZ2n Aug 18 09:11:43 Or rather, it starts and then immediately exits. Aug 18 09:16:03 Looks like /etc/xdg/LXDE/desktop.conf is MIA. Aug 18 09:16:10 !find /etc/xdg/LXDE/desktop.conf Aug 18 09:16:12 DanaG: Please use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ to search for files Aug 18 09:16:27 Oh, really? Aug 18 09:16:28 Error more than one suite specified for show_static (dapper dapper-updates dapper-backports hardy hardy-updates hardy-backports intrepid intrepid-updates intrepid-backports jaunty jaunty-updates jaunty-backports karmic karmic-updates karmic-backports lucid) Aug 18 09:16:33 That's bull. Aug 18 09:16:44 Nice job. Aug 18 09:23:58 ah, looks like the file is in lxde-common, which lxsession does NOT depend on. Aug 18 09:27:18 That's a bug. Aug 18 09:37:13 ogra: GrueMaster: ping Aug 18 09:38:28 Yes? Aug 18 09:43:32 I've been trying to recreate the scheduling whilst atomic bug Aug 18 09:43:43 I have used all RAM and swap Aug 18 09:43:48 And nothing ... Aug 18 09:46:47 GrueMaster: -^ Aug 18 09:47:28 Hmm. I'm seeing it here now, but w/o USB, I'm not sure how you can reproduce it. Aug 18 09:51:32 If you want to bring your own monitor & power supply, you are welcome to join us here. Aug 18 09:52:55 GrueMaster: You're 2hrs away and I have no transport :) Aug 18 09:53:13 oops. Aug 18 09:53:18 GrueMaster: As I can't recreate, I'm going to have to drop this and pick it up when my board it replaced Aug 18 09:53:22 amitk: ping Aug 18 10:27:28 lag: pong Aug 18 10:28:04 Hi Amit Aug 18 10:28:29 lag: what's up? Aug 18 10:28:46 Do the Linaro team have XM boards which actually work? Aug 18 10:29:00 Or do they suffer from the same memory issues that ours do? Aug 18 10:30:03 lag: I think we might have a few newer boards Aug 18 10:30:13 lag: mine went back to the arm team Aug 18 10:31:11 amitk: I'm caught between a rock and hard place Aug 18 10:31:26 amitk: I have an XM with memory issues, so I can't do any more with that Aug 18 10:31:36 amitk: And an XM which has broken USB Aug 18 10:32:01 ouch! Aug 18 10:32:50 amitk: Yeah :( Aug 18 10:32:57 amitk: I'm guessing you can be of no help? Aug 18 10:33:09 lag: with HW? or testing? Aug 18 10:33:18 HW Aug 18 10:33:24 lag: we're facing severe shortage ourselves Aug 18 10:33:44 We don't officially support XM, so I'm guessing they'd have to come from you guys Aug 18 10:36:06 lag: doesn't the board work with mem=256M cmdline? Aug 18 10:36:35 I can't remember what happened when I tried that actually Aug 18 10:36:45 I don't think so Aug 18 10:38:01 lag: that sounds strange, AFAIK the 'problem' was only in one bank. Have you asked TI? Aug 18 10:38:46 ogra: Ping Aug 18 10:38:58 the XM with the fixed ram arent available to anyone yet Aug 18 10:39:20 ogra: How does the daily build look for the XM currently? Aug 18 10:39:30 they all have the broken chips, the prob doesnt manifest on all boards though Aug 18 10:39:44 lag, havent tested for a while due to the mmc issues Aug 18 10:39:58 The ro issues? Aug 18 10:40:30 yep Aug 18 10:40:38 * ogra pulls todays image to check it Aug 18 10:40:55 The ro issues will still reside Aug 18 10:41:00 ah, k Aug 18 10:41:05 then i cant test Aug 18 10:41:24 The _fix_ has been rejected a few times from linux-omap Aug 18 10:41:47 rcn-ee: Needs to send it up one more time Aug 18 10:41:57 I believe it will be accepted on the next attempt Aug 18 10:45:24 4th time lucky Aug 18 10:45:32 Well thanks anyway amitk Aug 18 10:49:22 ogra: I am still testing package upgrades. apparmor and all of Xorg updates passed. Now testing libgtk. Aug 18 10:49:23 lag: sorry I couldn't be of any more help Aug 18 10:49:46 GrueMaster, great, thanks Aug 18 10:50:01 do you see the same odd behavior with dbus if you start it manually ? Aug 18 10:50:11 (board locking up hard) Aug 18 10:50:19 Didn't try. Just updating/rebooting. Aug 18 10:50:29 But I can check. Aug 18 10:50:33 did you check that it runs ? Aug 18 10:50:40 after a reboot i mean Aug 18 10:50:42 Yes, it runs. Aug 18 10:50:44 amitk: No problem Aug 18 10:50:47 amitk: How was Tony? Aug 18 10:50:49 :) Aug 18 10:51:19 Tony is fine. The sushi even better :) Aug 18 10:51:24 After reboot, I log in and look for crashes. The full upgrade won't even start X, so I'm already making major headway there. Aug 18 10:52:02 GrueMaster, right, check if the system dbus is in your processlist Aug 18 10:52:53 It "should" be. I'd see a crash report otherwise. Aug 18 10:53:09 Yes, it is currently running. Aug 18 10:57:20 k Aug 18 10:57:32 i wonder why it doesnt start on the dailies Aug 18 11:01:04 hmm, the "Natty Narwhal" Aug 18 11:18:58 lag, 5th time the charm. ;) Aug 18 11:19:45 rcn-ee: Good luck Robert :) Aug 18 11:32:19 40 packages tested, 367 to go. Wheee. Aug 18 13:00:37 Hello, has anyone here been able to get E17 and Illume working with Karmic armel ? Aug 18 13:02:42 Hello lilstevie Aug 18 13:26:07 freind12 Aug 18 13:32:36 rcn-ee: No sign of you yet? Aug 18 13:45:51 prpplague: Morning Dave Aug 18 14:09:27 lag: morning Aug 18 14:09:39 lag: i'm headed into the office, be there in about an hour Aug 18 14:10:04 lag: we can chat about panda audio then Aug 18 14:10:07 later! Aug 18 14:47:19 does anyone know if Maverick will run on the Genesi Efika MX Smarttop ? Aug 18 14:47:46 they're giving them away free to developers. :-) and I do see them listed on the Linaro wiki Aug 18 14:54:41 rsalveti: giving for free? where is the link? :-) Aug 18 14:54:47 argh ahha Aug 18 14:54:50 rsavoye: ^ Aug 18 14:56:12 http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/program/imx515/ Aug 18 14:56:40 you have to propose a project. they said they sent a few dozen to Debconf too Aug 18 14:58:30 cool, there are quite a few projects already Aug 18 14:59:38 yep, he accepted my proposal in about 5 minutes last night. :-) Aug 18 14:59:55 it comes with Karmic, but I'd prefer to upgrade it to maverick if I can... Aug 18 15:00:59 800Mhz sounds nice for big builds too Aug 18 15:05:59 yeah, it'd probably run fine Aug 18 15:06:07 will try to propose something there Aug 18 15:08:06 Wondering, is the netbook ARM edition available for download? Aug 18 15:08:21 I seem to find only "youtube videos" :( Aug 18 15:09:20 yacc: for what distro version? Aug 18 15:09:34 and which board are you using? Aug 18 15:11:11 rsalveti: mine should be here Friday they say, so I'll try Maverick and let you know Aug 18 15:11:20 I seem to find only "youtube videos" :( Aug 18 15:11:38 Well, the videos seem to talk about a Ubuntu 10.07 Smartbook edition, ... Aug 18 15:11:38 rsavoye: cool, you can check with the guy that's doing emdebian/ubuntu work Aug 18 15:11:51 he can tell you the latest status, probably Aug 18 15:11:53 which is who ? Aug 18 15:11:57 rsalveti, at the moment none, but I'm considering a Toshiba AC100 Aug 18 15:13:03 rsavoye: http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/777 Aug 18 15:14:21 cross toolchains are easy, I'm more worried about device driver support Aug 18 15:14:22 and that would be zumbi Aug 18 15:20:55 rsalveti, any idea? Aug 18 15:22:33 yacc: you could probably run lucid and maverick on it Aug 18 15:26:18 rsalveti, yeah, but I seem to be unable to find any docu. Aug 18 15:26:50 yacc: true, you'll need to be able to get at least the boot loader and the kernel for it Aug 18 15:27:00 then you can just create an ubuntu rootfs Aug 18 15:27:21 yacc: is it released already? Aug 18 15:27:22 Yeah, where do I get such beasts? Aug 18 15:27:50 the kernel is open source, so they'll probably deliver a link or a tarball with the sources Aug 18 15:27:51 I have no idea, I come here to ask, the hardware seems to be available or at least it's listed with a number of sites, ... Aug 18 15:27:56 not for the bootloader I have no idea Aug 18 15:28:15 http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2010/06/ubuntu-107-smartbook-edition-demoed.html Aug 18 15:29:07 Ok, one site lists delivery on 25.8.2010 and the other one in about 5 weeks ;) Aug 18 15:29:27 So it's not released yet, but somebody seems to have gotten Ubuntu to run on it, ... Aug 18 15:30:46 http://geizhals.at/eu/a559944.html Aug 18 15:31:22 It looks rather nice for 870g, UMTS included. Aug 18 15:32:07 yacc: the first video is running on a freescale netbook Aug 18 15:32:23 Oh, that's funny. Aug 18 15:32:33 toshiba one is based on nvidia's tegra Aug 18 15:34:34 Ok, so no non-Android option, ... Aug 18 15:34:50 And I cannot believe that Android is useable without a touchscreen, ... Aug 18 15:35:17 Why wouldn't it be? Aug 18 15:35:37 Touch screen is mapped similar to a mouse. Aug 18 15:35:52 heh, thats jerone in the video Aug 18 15:36:29 Well, yes, but the interaction is quite different. Aug 18 15:36:55 I had a tablet PC, and trust me, replacing the touchpad/mouse with the stick was not really practical, usually. Aug 18 15:37:23 yeah Aug 18 15:37:30 hm, lunch time :-) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 20:55:40 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 19 02:59:57 2010