**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 21 02:59:58 2010
Oct 21 03:03:12 <mouse-_> hm- anyone get adobe flash to work on this yet, or is the work porting the flash from 0xdroid up for grabs
Oct 21 03:17:05 <rcn-ee> mouse-_, ti's adobe binary was no help?
Oct 21 03:19:56 <Neko> I don't see what the point is, it's not really a product... see the little blurb under TI's flash page, if you wanna ship it anywhere, you have to be qualified by an Adobe partner
Oct 21 03:20:11 <Neko> it'll never ever go into a partner repo for example :(
Oct 21 03:20:15 <Neko> or restricted on armel
Oct 21 03:20:24 <Neko> unless digikey sponsor it..
Oct 21 03:20:39 <Neko> and pay for the oem services at canonical L]
Oct 21 03:21:51 <rcn-ee> me neither, it should be a straight download from adobe like x86.. but even their it's bloated, so it's a good thing it's that way.. ;)
Oct 21 03:22:27 <Neko> Adobe just don't have the manpower to do it on every little arm board
Oct 21 03:23:11 <Neko> it's hard enough building every possible combination on the PC :)
Oct 21 03:23:37 <Neko> different radeon and nvidia drivers, intel, amd, windows xp upwards, service packs, browser versions..
Oct 21 03:23:51 <rcn-ee> true...  i'm just thinking a generic universal armv7 binary.. ;) but without dsp help it would be too slow..
Oct 21 03:24:08 <Neko> most of flash is software anyway
Oct 21 03:24:12 <Neko> they have some fancy neon code in there
Oct 21 03:24:31 <rcn-ee> yeap, and ffmpeg plays flash videos fine..
Oct 21 03:24:33 <Neko> the amount of help you get for video codecs is minimal and on ARM they decided to use OpenMAX
Oct 21 03:25:07 <Neko> what's left that OpenMAX doesn't do, it's all software.. not custom DSP code, just plain C and some assembler
Oct 21 03:25:34 <Neko> it links to OpenGLES2 on iMX515 too, but there is a little contention on whether it is even using it
Oct 21 03:25:41 <Neko> someone said it may have been pushed to 10.2
Oct 21 03:36:34 <bkero> persia: I recompiled the netwalker kernel in my lucid image, and nothing has crashed yet. :D
Oct 21 03:51:54 <bernard_> mouse-_: i've gotten it running using binaries from maemo
Oct 21 03:51:58 <bernard_> (it = flash)
Oct 21 03:53:32 <rcn-ee> bernard_, that was a nice catch, that config change had been in their for almost a year.. ;)
Oct 21 04:03:29 <bernard_> rcn-ee: heh. i only found it because i'm compiling natively on my beagleboard, and the config change killed the dependency tracking.
Oct 21 04:03:51 <mouse-_> rcn-ee: ti's adobe binary ?? it's inaccessible :P
Oct 21 04:03:54 <bernard_> (now i can do minor changes, and rebuild my kernel on the beagle in 2 minutes)
Oct 21 04:04:06 <mouse-_> btw, has anyone else gotten any errors like this - [  116.582672] asoc: interface omap-mcbsp-dai-0 hw params failed
Oct 21 04:04:42 <mouse-_> bernard_: nice! thanks for the pointer
Oct 21 04:04:55 <bernard_> mouse-_: ack. same happens to me on login, but never after that.
Oct 21 04:05:15 <mouse-_> ahh, yeah
Oct 21 04:05:32 <mouse-_> oo, does the maemo flash use the sgx libs
Oct 21 04:07:32 <bernard_> mouse-_: doesn't look like it.
Oct 21 04:09:14 <bernard_> mouse-_: http://pastebin.com/brdmvuTc
Oct 21 04:09:27 <bernard_> mouse-_: all the libraries are in ubuntu except for 2.
Oct 21 04:10:03 <bernard_> mouse-_: libplayback-1-0 i copied from maemo also. libhildonfm i just created a dummy library for (it doesn't seem to use it unless it needs a file open/save dialog)
Oct 21 04:15:14 * mouse-_ nods
Oct 21 04:16:21 <Neko> anyone noticed console-setup not fixing up the font?
Oct 21 10:45:59 <bernard_> rcn-ee: any chance you could pick up this patch in your 2.6-stable series? http://marc.info/?l=linux-omap&m=128744421925804&w=2
Oct 21 10:48:57 <bernard_> (davem's taken it for 2.6.37)
Oct 21 11:00:33 <Mike^> ogra_ac: just curious, does 'ac' stand for  toshiba ac100?
Oct 21 11:00:42 <ogra_ac> Mike^, yep
Oct 21 11:00:55 <Mike^> ogra_ac, and how is it?
Oct 21 11:01:19 <ogra_ac> great if you can live without the proprietary bits
Oct 21 11:01:32 <ogra_ac> (which do the power management, sound and stuff like that)
Oct 21 11:01:44 <Mike^> you mean no 3d, no video, no PM :)
Oct 21 11:01:46 <ogra_ac> its awesome to have a device i can do arm development on though
Oct 21 11:01:50 <ogra_ac> right
Oct 21 11:02:29 <Mike^> you mean native builds?
Oct 21 11:03:41 <ogra_ac> yes, thats what we do in ubuntu
Oct 21 11:07:16 <Mike^> I'm trying to push Nvidia to at least make the proprietary bits independed of the kernel/X11 version, like they do in x86
Oct 21 11:08:19 <Mike^> probably having ac100 users posting such requests on their forum will help...
Oct 21 11:12:17 <ogra_ac> Mike^, yeah, DKMS modules and a redistribution license for the daemon stuff would be cool
Oct 21 11:12:38 <ogra_ac> Mike^, btw, there is an #ac100 channel
Oct 21 11:13:25 <Mike^> ogra_ac: it's almost the same people :)
Oct 21 11:16:36 <suihkulokki> I'd say ac100 is good example why mainlining android is needed
Oct 21 11:17:13 <ogra_ac> ugh
Oct 21 11:17:19 <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, why ?
Oct 21 11:17:23 <Mike^> suihkulokki: mainlining android won't help with ac100 until nvidia do something with the drivers
Oct 21 11:17:40 <suihkulokki> ogra_ac: less porting of the drivers?
Oct 21 11:17:46 <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, i think ac100 is the *best* example why android is not for netbooks
Oct 21 11:18:05 <ogra_ac> no need to port any android drivers for ac100 on ubuntu
Oct 21 11:18:42 <suihkulokki> you mean it works out of box with ubuntu kernel?
Oct 21 11:18:50 <ogra_ac> we a) have the kernel source from toshiba and b) the community maintained ac100 ubuntu kernel doesnt have a single android module
Oct 21 11:19:16 <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, http://ac100.gudinna.com/
Oct 21 11:19:30 <ogra_ac> suihkulokki, the community upstream tree is on gitorious since weeks
Oct 21 11:19:37 <ogra_ac> (for the kernel)
Oct 21 11:19:43 <suihkulokki> its still a fork
Oct 21 11:19:59 <suihkulokki> it is openwrt all over again
Oct 21 11:20:10 <hrw> suihkulokki: it is not openwrt
Oct 21 11:20:14 <Mike^> suihkulokki: with current tegra support in kernel it'll remain a fork for a long time
Oct 21 11:20:27 <ogra_ac> its a tegra 2.6.29 kernel with toshiba sauce on top
Oct 21 11:20:36 <ogra_ac> indeed its not ideal
Oct 21 11:20:42 <ogra_ac> (i dont claim that)
Oct 21 11:21:34 <ogra_ac> but it surely doesnt need any android bits
Oct 21 11:22:02 <suihkulokki> I was under the impression the drivers have android pm hooks inside
Oct 21 11:22:09 <Mike^> ogra_ac: I think you can run the tegra tree from the android repos, afaik they already have fbdev added
Oct 21 11:22:15 <ogra_ac> and https://launchpad.net/ac100 makes some slow progress already
Oct 21 11:22:33 <ogra_ac> Mike^, no LCD support for the ac100 yet
Oct 21 11:22:57 <Mike^> does it have external display connector?
Oct 21 11:23:13 <ogra_ac> yes, but that only works with the nvidia bits
Oct 21 11:23:20 <Neko> ogra, wow, you left that bare :D
Oct 21 11:23:22 <ogra_ac> it has HDMI
Oct 21 11:23:48 <Mike^> so, there's a chance :)
Oct 21 11:23:51 <ogra_ac> but needs some magically trigger from the nvrm_daemon to switch on
Oct 21 11:24:08 <ogra_ac> reverse engineering most of the daemon should be possible
Oct 21 11:24:25 <ogra_ac> (since you have full acess to the kernel side)
Oct 21 11:24:32 <Mike^> right
Oct 21 11:24:33 <hrw> ogra_ac: so no display at all?
Oct 21 11:24:45 <ogra_ac> most stuff is done by just sending ioctls
Oct 21 11:24:57 <ogra_ac> hrw, not with the non toshiba source yet
Oct 21 11:25:06 <ogra_ac> someone needs to forward port the sauce
Oct 21 11:28:32 <saboteur> tomato or bbq ?
Oct 21 11:34:10 <Mike^> hdmi and lcd
Oct 21 11:37:15 <lag> Sounds awesome
Oct 21 11:37:21 <lag> Does the processor work?
Oct 21 11:37:24 <lag> How about RAM?
Oct 21 11:37:25 <lag> :)
Oct 21 11:38:46 <ogra_ac> ?
Oct 21 11:39:02 <ogra_ac> i'm typing on an ac100, so yes, ram and cpu work :P
Oct 21 11:44:34 <lag> ;)
Oct 21 11:44:49 <lag> The only things that do by the sounds of it ;)
Oct 21 11:45:01 <ogra_ac> nope
Oct 21 11:45:11 <ogra_ac> i can show you mine at UDS :)
Oct 21 11:45:20 * Mike^ looking at git://gitorious.org/ac100/kernel.git/drivers/paz00/lcdhdmi-disp.c
Oct 21 11:45:23 <ogra_ac> i use it as my main work machine since a few weeks
Oct 21 11:46:16 <ogra_ac> lag, there will be plenty ac100's at UDS btw, i know about at least 6 owners now that will bring theirs
Oct 21 11:47:13 <ogra_ac> lag, power management, 3D, HW buttons and local sound (usb works) dont work yet
Oct 21 11:48:24 <ogra_ac> 3D is unlikely to happen unless nvidia release the driver in a way we can use DKMS with it ... buttons are possible to get to work through a free daemon app that sends the right ioctls to the kernel
Oct 21 11:48:54 <ogra_ac> sound is tricky ... and power management too since thats all handled by a proprietary daemon in userspace
Oct 21 11:49:25 <ogra_ac> and in android the PM is mostly done through hotplugging one CPU
Oct 21 11:49:39 <ogra_ac> which is horribly laggish
Oct 21 11:51:45 <Mike^> ogra_ac: seems that everything except 3D and video is possible even without the daemon
Oct 21 11:52:17 <ogra_ac> well,i'm not sure about brightness control and cpufreq
Oct 21 11:52:21 <Mike^> the PMIC bits are in the mainline and what's missing is the arch/arm/mach-tegra/board-ac100.c
Oct 21 11:52:42 <Mike^> that will tie everithing together
Oct 21 11:53:27 <ogra_ac> well, it surely needs somone to work on it ... and preferably someone with more kernel background than me ;)
Oct 21 11:53:51 <ogra_ac> i'm fine doing one ot the other ugly hack, but i'm not a kernel dev
Oct 21 11:54:39 <Mike^> if I'll find a time to send you some patches, will you test them? knowing that it may brick your netbook? ;-)
Oct 21 11:55:55 <ogra_ac> brick ?
Oct 21 11:56:04 <ogra_ac> i can always revert to another kernel ;)
Oct 21 11:56:30 <Mike^> playing with PMIC may be dangerous :)
Oct 21 11:56:31 <hrw> tried kexec?
Oct 21 11:56:58 <hrw> ops, wrong window
Oct 21 11:58:13 <ogra_ac> i tried kexec though ;)
Oct 21 11:58:16 <ogra_ac> didnt work
Oct 21 12:01:40 <Mike^> ogra_ac: anyway, I have too many stuff to finish before plumbers, so your ac100 is safe for now :)
Oct 21 12:02:31 <ogra_ac> Mike^, i'll be at plumbers, lets play there ;)
Oct 21 12:02:43 <Mike^> no problem :)
Oct 21 12:06:49 <rcn-ee> sure, bernard_ i'll add that smsc patch, it'll make alot of xM users happy...
Oct 21 12:07:34 <bernard_> rcn-ee: great. thank you!
Oct 21 13:07:08 <vstehle> Dear ogra (or ogra_ac), would you have some time to help me with our LP PPA, please? It seems some of the team PPA will not build for armel...
Oct 21 13:20:42 <ogra_ac> vstehle, whats the exact prob ?
Oct 21 13:22:26 <vstehle> ogra_ac, the PPA private-stable and stable won't build for armel. Also, the PPA 'private-stable' does not look very private :)
Oct 21 13:23:56 <vstehle> ogra_ac, for example  http://paste.ubuntu.com/517426/. This is on PPA private-stable
Oct 21 13:26:30 <vstehle> ogra_ac, for the "private/non-private" part of the issue; private-stable has the following URL: http://ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/private-stable/ubuntu. This is not a private PPA. It should read something more like https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/private-stable/ubuntu
Oct 21 13:27:33 <ogra_ac> vstehle, hmm, hard to check ... let me log out of LP
Oct 21 13:28:50 <vstehle> ogra_ac, good idea. I just did, and I can see private-stable
Oct 21 13:29:02 <ogra_ac> vstehle, yes, private-stable seems to have been set up wrongly
Oct 21 13:29:23 <ogra_ac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev only shows public ones beyond that
Oct 21 13:31:21 <vstehle> ogra_ac, would you please be able to fix it? This PPA can even be deleted and re-created if needed; there is nothing in it. But I think we would like to keep the name, so making the changes from the web interface would probably not work...
Oct 21 13:31:44 <ogra_ac> well, trying to find out whats wrong atm
Oct 21 13:34:11 <vstehle> Oh you are "digging in the guts" of LP? Cool :)
Oct 21 13:36:03 <ogra_ac> i deleted it, but recreating a new one with that name doesnt offer me to make it private it seems
Oct 21 13:36:18 <ogra_ac> i'll ask in #launchpad i think
Oct 21 13:37:55 <ogra_ac> vstehle, wrt your rejected upload, line 8 in the paste is wrong ;)
Oct 21 13:54:18 <ogra_ac> vstehle, seems there is no LOSA available in #launchpad atm, i'm waiting for an answer there
Oct 21 13:56:35 <vstehle> ogra_ac, I think private-stable is now private. At least it disappeared from the webpage...
Oct 21 13:56:46 <ogra_ac> vstehle, (btw, you can contact them directly there too )
Oct 21 13:57:06 <ogra_ac> vstehle, no, i deleted it since there were already directories for the failed upload
Oct 21 13:57:41 <ogra_ac> we need to get it completely wiped and then the help of a LOSA to make sure the newly created one is completely private
Oct 21 13:58:04 <ogra_ac> i couldnt make out the difference through the UI so there must be some admin love involved
Oct 21 14:20:00 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: hm, lots of people complaining about lack of sound in beagle xm with ubuntu
Oct 21 14:20:14 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: what is needed to make it work?
Oct 21 14:20:29 <rsalveti> asking you as I remember you tested that :-)
Oct 21 14:20:38 <armin76> fix!
Oct 21 14:21:46 <GrueMaster> I only got it to work in speaker-test.  I can't remember off hand what settings they were.  Will look to see if I still have the amixer diff.
Oct 21 14:22:07 <GrueMaster> Give me a few minutes as I am just up and waiting for coffee.
Oct 21 14:22:21 <rsalveti> np, will also be out for lunch soon
Oct 21 14:22:26 * ogra_ac knows a gross hack he wont chare here to make sound work on everything with maverick 
Oct 21 14:22:31 <ogra_ac> *share
Oct 21 14:24:01 <GrueMaster> I do know that it is a regression from Lucid.  Nothing in the driver changed from what I can tell, but audio worked fine in Lucid on Beagle, and it is the same audio hw.
Oct 21 14:24:23 <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, my gross hack doesnt touch alsa ...
Oct 21 14:24:32 <ogra_ac> it only touches udev
Oct 21 14:25:03 <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, ls /dev/snd to give one more hint
Oct 21 14:25:56 <GrueMaster> I'm not set up yet.  Will take a little as I am still reorganizing my office.
Oct 21 14:26:18 <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, on any maverick system
Oct 21 14:26:50 <ogra_ac> the background is that we dont create any devices under /dev/snd anymore, they go directly into /dev
Oct 21 14:27:06 <ogra_ac> that way you cant fall back to alsa setup if you want to
Oct 21 14:28:54 <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, http://paste.ubuntu.com/517475/ even makes the soundblaster play work on the ac100
Oct 21 14:29:08 <ogra_ac> but as i said, gross hack
Oct 21 14:29:28 <ogra_ac> (likely breaks autodetection etc in pulse)
Oct 21 14:29:39 <GrueMaster> so, someone modified udev to a new model without testing to see if it broke the old model ?
Oct 21 14:29:46 <ogra_ac> might be
Oct 21 14:30:07 <ogra_ac> i'd rather think that someone considers the old model deprecated
Oct 21 14:33:36 <rsalveti> hm, weird
Oct 21 14:36:18 <ogra_ac> vstehle, so i talked to LOSA in #launchpad ... we will need a new PPA (which means new name) that has to be made private manually by a LOSA before anyone uploads to it
Oct 21 14:36:36 <ogra_ac> vstehle, once uploaded to it it seems to not be possible to convert it
Oct 21 14:37:11 <ogra_ac> nor to completely delete it
Oct 21 14:37:23 <ogra_ac> vstehle, could you discuss a new name with ndec ?
Oct 21 14:37:34 <ogra_ac> and tell me the name
Oct 21 14:40:14 <vstehle> Ok ogra_ac. Having deleted PPA on LP myself, I was sure it would end this way :)
Oct 21 14:42:21 * rsalveti lunch
Oct 21 14:52:05 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Do we know if the Beagle/XM supports S-Video out?  I have no way of testing this.  Currently reading an email sent to ubuntu-mobile mailing list.
Oct 21 15:38:31 <berco> lool: I had a chat with hrw on xdeb
Oct 21 15:38:49 <berco> lool: trying to setup an environment
Oct 21 15:39:20 <hrw> berco: better take it to #linaro ;)
Oct 21 15:39:42 <berco> hrw: I couldn't find lool on #linaro :)
Oct 21 15:40:03 <hrw> I see him there
Oct 21 15:41:01 <berco> hrw: yeah, I see him now, don't if I opened my eyes :)
Oct 21 15:41:21 <ogra_ac> hrw, juat because *you* see him there :P
Oct 21 15:41:26 <ogra_ac> *just
Oct 21 15:42:19 <hrw> ogra_ac: I do not want to bother arm team with boring cross compilation issues ;D
Oct 21 15:43:20 <ogra_ac> hrw, i meant your lool radar ;)
Oct 21 15:43:31 <ogra_ac> (and we dont mind xdeb discussions here)
Oct 21 15:53:48 <ogra_ac> ndec, there is a new alsa-utils in the queue with fixed postinst script that calls alsactl init
Oct 21 16:09:15 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: it should support, but I believe nobody tested it
Oct 21 16:14:52 <GrueMaster> I have an old (near ancient) TurboTV PCI card that has coax, svideo, and rca jacks.  Not sure if the svideo & rca are input, but I think they are.  I guess I could turn my serial console monitor into an svideo capture display.
Oct 21 16:15:47 <rsalveti> hehe, I believe this can work, if your card is still working :-)
Oct 21 16:24:18 <GrueMaster> As soon as it finishes upgrading to Mav, I'll give it a whirl.
Oct 21 16:41:31 <GrueMaster> Heh.  So much for that idea.  Case is ITX.  Only takes half height PCI.
Oct 21 16:41:35 <GrueMaster> Hrm
Oct 21 16:44:04 <Neko> bah :(
Oct 21 16:44:14 <jcrigby> rsalveti, about bug #663642
Oct 21 16:44:15 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663642 in linux-linaro (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "DVI doesn't work at BeagleBoard xM rev A3 (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663642
Oct 21 16:44:27 <rsalveti> jcrigby: yup
Oct 21 16:44:38 <rsalveti> just sent the patch to the kernel team
Oct 21 16:44:38 <jcrigby> what does this mean: This patch is not yet upstream because it depends on the xM check
Oct 21 16:44:38 <jcrigby> patches that are still not upstream.
Oct 21 16:45:07 <rsalveti> jcrigby: upstream is lacking code that checks when it's running on xm and when it's not
Oct 21 16:45:19 <rsalveti> if you compare the beagleboard board file you will easily notice it
Oct 21 16:45:34 <jcrigby> ok
Oct 21 16:46:03 <jcrigby> I'm trying to get this into the linaro kernel today so we can get it through before uds
Oct 21 16:47:55 <rsalveti> jcrigby: our kernel: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c;h=94cb19c07eede995039035a63e5ac53d96e64b7f;hb=HEAD#l282
Oct 21 16:48:05 <rsalveti> l-o: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap-2.6.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-omap3beagle.c;h=14f42240ae792bf01fcd289d60d441d9d55eb328;hb=HEAD#l273
Oct 21 16:48:27 <rsalveti> jcrigby: it's basically the check when the kernel is running on cpu_is_omap363
Oct 21 16:48:40 <rsalveti> *cpu_is_omap3630
Oct 21 16:49:19 <Neko> hey arm guys :D
Oct 21 16:49:35 <rsalveti> jcrigby: do you know if anyone from linaro has a xM rev A3?
Oct 21 16:49:55 <rsalveti> at least one guy from the beagle ml said it worked for him
Oct 21 16:49:55 <Neko> question: is there anything installed on the gnome desktop by default, besides the games and useless stuff like brasero, that you'd consider aren't particularly useful to 99% of users?
Oct 21 16:50:00 <Neko> not including language support stuff
Oct 21 16:50:12 <Neko> I am just trying to cut about 100MB out of the filesystem if I can
Oct 21 16:50:13 <rsalveti> I only tested with my current rev A, and it worked as before
Oct 21 16:51:27 <jcrigby> rsalveti, I don't know
Oct 21 16:55:56 <rsalveti> jcrigby: as most newer xMs are rev A3 now, this is kind of a high priority bug
Oct 21 16:56:09 <rsalveti> otherwise the user is unable to use the dvi output
Oct 21 16:57:46 <jcrigby> rsalveti, I understand, thats why we want to get it into the linaro kernel
Oct 21 17:42:52 <ogra_ac> plars-actual, so you are not the fake plars ?
Oct 21 17:43:14 <plars-actual> ogra: no, plars is clearly the fake!
Oct 21 17:43:26 <ogra_ac> now, how can you prove that to us ?
Oct 21 17:43:44 <slangasek> oh, does that not just mean he's the officer in charge?
Oct 21 17:43:59 <plars-actual> ogra: working from a different location today, my firewall is having fits and not keeping it's config lately, so I can't connect to my bip proxy :(
Oct 21 17:44:16 <ogra_ac> oh, thats bad :/
Oct 21 17:44:42 <ogra_ac> slangasek, hey, good that i see you ... does your team care about multivers breakage ?
Oct 21 17:44:46 <plars-actual> could be due to the weekly, sudden power outages I was having for about a month
Oct 21 17:44:53 <slangasek> ogra_ac: "breakage"? :)
Oct 21 17:45:03 <ogra_ac> i just ran into a bug trying to play an mp4 movie
Oct 21 17:45:16 <slangasek> ogra_ac: I don't believe we're touching anything near multiverse currently, so it's ok if you break it - or are you asking us to fix it? :)
Oct 21 17:45:18 <ogra_ac> which works fine until i install ubuntu-restricted-extras
Oct 21 17:45:23 <slangasek> hmm, ok
Oct 21 17:45:33 <slangasek> file a bug, subscribe linaro-foundations please
Oct 21 17:45:52 <ogra_ac> seems there is a libavcodec52-extras package that replaces the installed one
Oct 21 17:46:15 <ogra_ac> which seems broken
Oct 21 17:46:21 <ogra_ac> ok, will do
Oct 21 17:47:02 <ogra_ac> hmm
Oct 21 17:47:15 <ogra_ac> apparently the gstreamer equivalent is broken too
Oct 21 17:47:17 <ogra_ac> weird
Oct 21 17:47:37 <ogra_ac> mplayer plays the file, totem complains not having support for mp4
Oct 21 17:50:39 <GrueMaster> mplayer uses different libraries than totem.
Oct 21 17:51:03 <ogra_ac> GrueMaster, right, but i see the same breakage in both
Oct 21 17:51:29 * ogra_ac removes gst-plugins-bad-multivers
Oct 21 17:51:49 <ogra_ac> e
Oct 21 17:52:21 <ogra_ac> i wonder if there is an x86 binary somewhere in the multiverse codecs
Oct 21 17:53:09 <ogra_ac> http://www.dailypspmovie.com/movies/2010/20101021-never-say-no-to-panda.mp4
Oct 21 17:53:38 <ogra_ac> plays fine with the defaults
Oct 21 17:53:58 <ogra_ac> but stops playing in anything after ubuntu-restricted-extras was installed
Oct 21 17:57:55 <GrueMaster> file a bug.  Maybe we can get an armel developer to look at it.  :P
Oct 21 17:58:08 <ogra_ac> do you know any ?
Oct 21 17:58:16 <GrueMaster> Good ones?
Oct 21 17:58:26 * ogra_ac cant get back into the state where totem played the file 
Oct 21 17:58:38 <ogra_ac> there are good ones ?!?
Oct 21 18:00:22 <GrueMaster> Heh.  On alsa-devel mailing list:  A new version of the funny game "Catch-the-slider" aka Alsamixer-Qt4 0.5.1 is now available...
Oct 21 18:00:42 <ogra_ac> giggle
Oct 21 18:26:35 <GrueMaster> ogra_ac: http://qt.gitorious.org/~dfaure/qt/dfaures-clone/commit/ebf9d5dd5174b7c82fec83b56d71a59d5277bd51
Oct 21 18:26:42 <GrueMaster> Is this in our version?
Oct 21 18:29:12 <ogra_ac> no idea
Oct 21 18:34:31 <GrueMaster> Ok, no it isn't.  I'm looking at the source file and comparing with the patch above.
Oct 21 18:35:00 <GrueMaster> btw:  my dove crashed during the build.
Oct 21 18:35:53 <ogra_ac> not enough swap ?
Oct 21 18:36:03 <ogra_ac> you need a gig or more afaik
Oct 21 18:36:33 <GrueMaster> I have 2.5G
Oct 21 18:36:51 <ogra_ac> then it should have worked
Oct 21 18:36:53 <ogra_ac> but well
Oct 21 18:36:56 <ogra_ac> its dove
Oct 21 18:37:02 <ogra_ac> use the panda ;)
Oct 21 18:37:02 <GrueMaster> heh
Oct 21 18:37:55 <GrueMaster> That will require a bit of extra work.  ENOHOOKEDUP
Oct 21 18:38:18 <ogra_ac> well
Oct 21 18:38:26 <ogra_ac> i uploaded the fix to proposed
Oct 21 18:38:35 <ogra_ac> just let the buildds suffer ;)
Oct 21 18:38:41 <GrueMaster> which fix?
Oct 21 18:38:49 <ogra_ac> -no-neon
Oct 21 18:39:15 <ogra_ac> if we are lucky its ready before UDS and i can test with mumble on the ac100
Oct 21 18:39:18 <GrueMaster> Ah.  I will try to explore this patch more.  Might be a better fix.
Oct 21 18:39:58 <ogra_ac> i just set the configure option, threw the package at the wall and wait ...
Oct 21 18:40:02 <GrueMaster> If it enables proper runtime detection.
Oct 21 18:40:14 <ogra_ac> it doesnt
Oct 21 18:41:14 <ogra_ac> check if it opens /proc/self/auxv somewhere
Oct 21 18:41:21 <ogra_ac> then it uses hwcaps
Oct 21 18:41:37 <ogra_ac> which is what is needed for doing runtime detection properly
Oct 21 18:42:35 <ogra_ac> http://www.llvm.org/bugs/attachment.cgi?id=4428 is a good example patch
Oct 21 19:01:04 <GrueMaster> Did you break alsa-utils?  I'm seeing a lot of bug reports on it failing to install.
Oct 21 19:07:45 <ogra_ac> from maveirck-proposed ?
Oct 21 19:10:46 * ogra_ac doesnt think his last change was even accepted
Oct 21 19:13:59 * GrueMaster had 17 emails of new bug reports in the last 20 minutes related to this.
Oct 21 19:15:16 <GrueMaster> Here come 14 more.
Oct 21 19:15:25 <ogra_ac> can you probably point me to one ?
Oct 21 19:15:34 * ogra_ac didnt get any alsa mails
Oct 21 19:15:54 <GrueMaster> This is the original bug.  Bug 664645.
Oct 21 19:15:56 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664645 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "package alsa-utils 1.0.23-2ubuntu3.3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 14) (dups: 12) (heat: 106)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664645
Oct 21 19:16:12 <GrueMaster> Every new one is being auto-tagged as a duplicate.
Oct 21 19:18:30 <ogra_ac> yeah, i see the issue, damned
Oct 21 19:20:59 <ogra_ac> copying code from the initscript wasnt so clever
Oct 21 19:21:18 <GrueMaster> bad ogra_ac.
Oct 21 19:21:29 * ogra_ac curses
Oct 21 19:21:38 <ogra_ac> i was supposed to be afk 2h ago
Oct 21 19:24:47 <hrw|gone> ogra_ac: sit and fix instead :(
Oct 21 19:24:54 <ogra_ac> yes
Oct 21 19:32:56 <rsalveti> another issue on the sound thing?
Oct 21 19:33:05 <rsalveti> ogra_ac: you're just with a lot of bad luck
Oct 21 19:33:27 <ogra_ac> rsalveti, nah, to blind
Oct 21 19:34:14 <ogra_ac> slangasek, could i ask you a favor and let the alsa-utils package i just uploaded to maverick-proposed in so the alsa guys dont drown in bugs ?
Oct 21 19:34:23 <ogra_ac> slangasek, seeing you on the SRU team
Oct 21 19:34:52 <ogra_ac> (seems pitti is gone for the day)
Oct 21 20:05:10 <GrueMaster> Interesting.  Just added the omap ppa to kubuntu image and did apt-get install on ubuntu-omap4-extras-graphics.  It recommended linux-headers-2.6-amd64.
Oct 21 20:05:41 <GrueMaster> Somethings not right here.
Oct 21 20:07:11 <rsalveti> just recommend
Oct 21 20:07:17 <rsalveti> because of dkms, probably
Oct 21 20:09:00 <GrueMaster> Just seems odd.
Oct 21 20:10:18 <rsalveti> yeah, as having a *lot* of video drivers installed by default
Oct 21 20:10:42 <rsalveti> for sure I'm not going to run s3virge, trident or voodoo at my panda
Oct 21 20:10:45 <ogra_ac> no, thats valid
Oct 21 20:10:52 <ogra_ac> for x86
Oct 21 20:10:54 <ogra_ac> :)
Oct 21 20:11:09 <ogra_ac> on arm we should fix that at some point
Oct 21 20:11:14 <rsalveti> it'd be good to clean that
Oct 21 20:11:21 <ogra_ac> probably worth a lst minute spec
Oct 21 20:11:35 <ogra_ac> though david isnt there to approve it in time
Oct 21 20:12:04 <GrueMaster> I'll head it up.  Oh, wait...
Oct 21 20:13:37 <ogra_ac> lets talk about it in the call
Oct 21 20:15:05 <rsalveti> oh, we have a call today, almost forgot about that
Oct 21 20:15:17 <ogra_ac> david asked me to run one
Oct 21 20:15:25 <ogra_ac> not sure we have many topics
Oct 21 20:15:45 <ogra_ac> but as long as NCommander shows up to entertain us with echos ...
Oct 21 20:16:33 <rsalveti> lol
Oct 21 20:24:19 <GrueMaster> he is on vacation too.  Not sure he'll make it.
Oct 21 20:24:51 <ogra_ac> oh, i didnt know
Oct 21 20:27:47 <GrueMaster> I'll find out.
Oct 21 20:28:59 <GrueMaster> Nope, he has no network access.
Oct 21 20:29:05 <ogra_ac> k
Oct 21 20:30:26 <GrueMaster> Well, this is certainly interesting.  After installing video drivers from ppa & rebooting, I am getting a good display, albeit at 640x480.  Probably due to my HDMI switch.
Oct 21 20:31:45 <ogra_ac> you and your toys
Oct 21 20:32:05 <GrueMaster> heh.
Oct 21 20:32:56 <GrueMaster> Yea, it was the switch.  It automatically switches to the next device when signal is lost, and switches back when the signal returns.  Of course we have already pulled edid at that time.
Oct 21 22:16:43 <slangasek> ogra_ac: alsa-utils accepted
Oct 21 22:16:50 * ogra hugs slangasek 
Oct 21 22:17:04 <slangasek> ogra_ac: which should correct the -proposed regression; but what's the reason for this being a panda-specific hack in the first place?
Oct 21 22:17:04 <ogra> i owe you a beer on sunday
Oct 21 22:17:50 <ogra> slangasek, the alsa driver for the SDP4430 and Panda doesnt init properly ... it needs a one shot initialization once
Oct 21 22:18:20 <ogra> that needs to be fixed in ASoC at some point but we didnt get a better fix yet
Oct 21 22:19:00 <ogra> (as many other bits need fixing in ASoC for omap4, teh driver really isnt 100% there yet)
Oct 21 22:19:00 <slangasek> ok
Oct 21 22:19:12 <slangasek> so this is a not-for-natty change?
Oct 21 22:19:29 <ogra> well, it is for natty until we get a fixed driver
Oct 21 22:19:40 <ogra> i dont know how long that will take upstream
Oct 21 22:20:01 <ogra> for natty there is code that doesnt need the postinst
Oct 21 22:20:19 <ogra> the postinst is only needed on systems that already have alsa.state in place
Oct 21 22:20:32 <slangasek> ok
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