**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 05 02:59:58 2010
Nov 05 03:44:42 <achiang> is anyone about that understands qemu-debootstrap? i'm trying to understand the intent of the escape() function and the first sed expression is hurting my brain
Nov 05 03:49:22 <pcacjr> achiang: echo "$*" | sed "s/'/'\"'\"'/g; s/.*/'&'/  (is this one ?)
Nov 05 03:50:04 <achiang> pcacjr: yeah, i'm trying to figure out what that function is trying to protect against
Nov 05 03:51:03 <pcacjr> achiang: weird, maybe someone else can help us ;-)
Nov 05 03:51:58 <achiang> heh
Nov 05 03:56:38 <pcacjr> achiang: hm, it seems to change single quotes to double ones (or otherwise)
Nov 05 03:58:04 <achiang> pcacjr: maybe. why are there 3 single quotes in the 2nd part of the expression: '\"'\"'
Nov 05 03:59:06 <pcacjr> achiang: hm, indeed
Nov 05 04:00:45 <achiang> maybe this explains the intent http://backreference.org/2009/12/09/using-shell-variables-in-sed/
Nov 05 04:00:58 <achiang> but i still don't understand the expression
Nov 05 04:01:52 <pcacjr> achiang: from ' ' to '" "' ?
Nov 05 04:02:07 <pcacjr> ah, i give up :-)
Nov 05 04:02:55 <achiang> yeah, probably it's a form of this: http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Sed.html#toc-uh-22
Nov 05 04:09:09 <pcacjr> achiang: ok, '" "' avoids you having problem with space as an argument
Nov 05 04:09:24 <achiang> pcacjr: nod, that's what i think
Nov 05 04:10:21 <pcacjr> achiang: so, echo $* will print all those arguments, then it'll put the '" "' on each one of them...
Nov 05 04:10:47 <achiang> pcacjr: ok, i can believe that. :) thanks
Nov 05 04:10:57 <pcacjr> achiang: np, we got it! ;-)
Nov 05 04:11:14 <achiang> pcacjr: more you than me. ;)
Nov 05 04:11:24 <pcacjr> heh
Nov 05 14:28:22 <voipster3> hi
Nov 05 14:28:56 <voipster3> anyone have problems with update-apt-xapi using loads of cpu?
Nov 05 14:52:34 <hrw> shit. again got hit by broken initrd in natty ;(
Nov 05 14:52:56 <hrw> will have to build panda kernel which work without initrd ;D
Nov 05 14:55:32 <ogra_ac> whats broken ?
Nov 05 14:56:04 <hrw> ogra_ac: http://hrw.pastebin.com/drSncpRP
Nov 05 14:58:38 <hrw> if I use kernel+initrd from maverick then it boots
Nov 05 15:06:05 <ogra_ac> hrw, ugh, what made you create that mem arg on the cmdline ? that cant work
Nov 05 15:06:19 <hrw> ogra_ac: it does
Nov 05 15:06:32 <hrw> ogra_ac: I use panda headless for building packages
Nov 05 15:06:53 <hrw> and having 1GB instead of ~600MB is difference
Nov 05 15:08:43 <ogra_ac> hrw, doesnt matter
Nov 05 15:08:43 <ogra_ac> you need to define proper memor regions
Nov 05 15:08:43 <ogra_ac> see the maverick image cmdline
Nov 05 15:08:44 <ogra_ac> there are two mem args in it
Nov 05 15:08:45 <ogra_ac> also you can use the full 1G only on a certain set of boards
Nov 05 15:08:47 <ogra_ac> i didnt see boot failures due to it only massive build failures though
Nov 05 15:08:48 <ogra_ac> but in any case you need the two mem args
Nov 05 15:10:25 <hrw> ogra_ac: define 'certain set of boards'?
Nov 05 15:10:36 <devilhorns> ogra_ac, !!!!!! :P (Sorry, felt like shouting) :P
Nov 05 15:10:46 <hrw> and boot failure happens nevermind which mem options are used
Nov 05 15:24:35 <devilhorns> hmm, think I scared him away :(
Nov 05 15:32:11 <GrueMaster> devilhorns: Sup?
Nov 05 15:32:21 <devilhorns> GrueMaster, hey :)
Nov 05 15:32:59 <devilhorns> GrueMaster, how you been ? how's things ?
Nov 05 15:33:32 <GrueMaster> I'm in vacation recovery mode.  Spent a week with the in-laws (should be outlaws) on a cruise.
Nov 05 15:33:43 <devilhorns> ahh cool :) Where did you go ?
Nov 05 15:34:02 <GrueMaster> Key West, Cozumel, and Costa Maya.
Nov 05 15:34:07 <devilhorns> oh wow
Nov 05 15:34:11 <devilhorns> that had to be nice
Nov 05 15:34:17 <GrueMaster> I'm writing about it in my facebook notes.
Nov 05 15:34:40 <GrueMaster> It was interesting and I would do it again, sans relatives.
Nov 05 15:34:45 <devilhorns> hahaha
Nov 05 15:34:51 <devilhorns> that's always the case tho :)
Nov 05 15:35:58 <GrueMaster> A shirt I bought in Casa Maya sums them up:  "The good, the bad, and the stupid."
Nov 05 15:36:03 <devilhorns> lmfao
Nov 05 15:36:46 <devilhorns> GrueMaster, well, at least you had a vacation and a chance to relax (somewhat) :)
Nov 05 15:36:52 <GrueMaster> The real problem is that I felt like I was tagging along on my wife's vacation, not that we were vacationing together.
Nov 05 15:37:11 <devilhorns> ahh :/
Nov 05 15:37:21 <GrueMaster> And having knee issues the whole time didn't help at all.
Nov 05 15:37:32 <devilhorns> I'm sure it didn't ... not on a boat :)
Nov 05 15:37:49 <GrueMaster> The boat wasn't the problem.
Nov 05 15:38:14 <GrueMaster> Just a lot of walking on a knee that constantly threatened to give out.
Nov 05 15:38:19 <devilhorns> ahhh
Nov 05 15:38:27 <devilhorns> I thought it would be the rocking motion of the boat
Nov 05 15:39:07 <GrueMaster> But nightly simmering sessions in the hot tub with a long island iced tea helped a lot.
Nov 05 15:39:16 <GrueMaster> Boat hardly rocked at all.
Nov 05 15:39:31 <devilhorns> hahaha yea, hottubs rock ! :)
Nov 05 15:39:36 <GrueMaster> It felt more like it was sliding side to side.
Nov 05 15:40:12 <devilhorns> lol
Nov 05 15:40:13 <GrueMaster> Although one night it was moving quite a bit as the pool on the top deck was sloshing about.
Nov 05 15:40:47 <GrueMaster> It was interesting floating on my back in the pool while it was sloshing about.  Felt like I was in a tidal pool.
Nov 05 15:41:01 <devilhorns> hahaha
Nov 05 15:58:24 <devilhorns> GrueMaster, been trying to catch up w/ ogra this past week or so, but he seems to be remaining elusive :( guess things are a bit hectic around there ... with the conference and all
Nov 05 15:58:52 <GrueMaster> Yea, I've noticed.
Nov 05 16:03:36 <devilhorns> oh well, I'll try to catch him again tomorrow
Nov 05 16:04:14 <GrueMaster> Not sure, but he may be flying home tomorrow.
Nov 05 16:04:38 <devilhorns> ahh ok
Nov 05 16:04:45 <devilhorns> maybe I'll wait a day or so then
Nov 05 16:04:46 <GrueMaster> He should be back to his full ogra-ish self Monday, though.
Nov 05 16:05:10 <devilhorns> lol ok, that sounds good :)
Nov 05 16:05:36 <devilhorns> it's not an emergency or anything. Just trying to get some input as to if I should continue w/ the unity-efl stuff or what
Nov 05 16:18:45 <GrueMaster> That I can't tell you.  I don't have a complete picture yet for this cycle myself.  Just that I will be working hard.  :P
Nov 05 16:23:59 <Anssi_> Hi, I installed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall on Beagleboard. It should ask for new information, but it does not. It goes directly to login and I don not know working login/passwd. Any ideas? Is there a bug in the demo image or do you know working login/passwd?
Nov 05 16:25:04 <GrueMaster> It should launch oem-install which is a gui app that gathers user info, timezone, and locale data.
Nov 05 16:25:18 <GrueMaster> Did it run through the rootfs resize?
Nov 05 16:25:24 <Anssi_> I used ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap.img.gz from
Nov 05 16:25:41 <Anssi_> It just booted in about 30 seconds and went to directly login
Nov 05 16:26:12 <Anssi_> I did not see any note about rootfs resize
Nov 05 16:26:40 <GrueMaster> Did you make any modifications to the image?  It should show a console screen indicating that it is resizing / and then it does a few system tweeks (triggering oem-install is one) before rebooting.
Nov 05 16:27:22 <Anssi_> I did not do any modification to the image. I just downloaded it and decompressed to SD card.
Nov 05 16:28:30 <GrueMaster> Using the zcat method?  If so, try gunziping the image then use "dd bs=4M if=<image file> of=<path to sd>".  I've seen some issues occasionally with the zcat method.
Nov 05 16:28:41 <Anssi_> Yes I used zcat
Nov 05 16:29:38 <Anssi_> Ok, I'll try that. I'll inform soon, how that works. If it works, mayby the webpage could also be updated.
Nov 05 16:29:59 <GrueMaster> If that works better for you, I'll update the wiki,
Nov 05 16:48:48 <Anssi_> Same thing :( I goes directly to login screen. At the beginning there is cursor shortly in the upper corner and then it goes to login. Nothing like "resizing" is not shown.
Nov 05 16:51:10 <GrueMaster> Hmm.  Is this a beagle C4 or beagleXM?
Nov 05 16:51:25 <Anssi_> I think mine is C3
Nov 05 16:51:40 <GrueMaster> Should still work.  Do you have a kernel in nand?
Nov 05 16:51:50 <Anssi_> Is there some way to "deep format" the SD card?
Nov 05 16:52:23 <GrueMaster> Yes, dd bs=4M if=/dev/zero of=<sd card>
Nov 05 16:52:34 <GrueMaster> Then reflash it.
Nov 05 16:52:40 <Anssi_> I don't remember. It has been several month since I have used the beagle board last time..
Nov 05 16:53:01 <GrueMaster> Do you have a serial console hooked up?
Nov 05 16:53:15 <Anssi_> Not currently.
Nov 05 16:53:35 <topfs2> zcat didn't work for me, dd did perfectly
Nov 05 16:53:44 <GrueMaster> It is highly probable that it is booting from nand, which would bypass the initialization on the image.
Nov 05 16:54:40 <Anssi_> I pressed user button, when resetting.. So it should boot from SD
Nov 05 16:54:53 <GrueMaster> Even if you hold the user1 button while reseting to load the boot loader & u-boot.bin from SD, it still uses the nand environment.
Nov 05 16:55:20 <GrueMaster> Very odd, but that is the behavior.
Nov 05 16:55:38 <Anssi_> Ok, how to disable the nand environment?
Nov 05 16:55:46 <hrw> you can avoid it using u-boot without nand support
Nov 05 16:55:53 <GrueMaster> You need to have a serial console hooked up to load the boot script from sd.
Nov 05 16:59:16 <Anssi_> So I should use following script? (copied from wiki) setenv bootcmd 'mmc init;fatload mmc 0 0x82000000 boot.scr;source 0x82000000'; setenv autostart yes; saveenv; boot
Nov 05 16:59:29 <GrueMaster> yes
Nov 05 17:01:01 <Anssi_> Ok, I'll have to set up serial console and fix the bootcmd. To be true there might be almost anything in NAND settings, since it was tuned quite a lot last winter..
Nov 05 17:02:01 <GrueMaster> I'll have to fire mine up to get the env I have.  Essentially, my environment looks for boot.scr on SD, and falls back to nand on fail.
Nov 05 17:02:34 <GrueMaster> Great for switching between Lucid & Maverick.
Nov 05 17:03:43 <GrueMaster> btw:  I updated the wiki to add dd instructions for people that have problems with zcat.
Nov 05 17:05:05 <GrueMaster> I'll update it again with bootenv changes for switching between nand booting & SD booting.
Nov 05 17:16:44 <Anssi_> Ok, I found my problem! My system is set up as "fatload mmc 0 82000000 uImage" So it loads kernel directly and does not enter the script? If I understand correctly..
Nov 05 17:18:53 <GrueMaster> Yea, that would do it.
Nov 05 17:24:35 <Anssi_> Now it seems to be doing resizing. Thank you very much for helping me out. I'll probably buy also pandaboard, if beagle seems too slow.. Do you have any idea when Digikey will start shipping pandas out?
Nov 05 17:25:48 <GrueMaster> I thought they were.  I do know that maverick on beagle (pre XM) is kind of painful due to low memory.
Nov 05 17:27:26 <GrueMaster> And I haven't had a chance to see if the netboot image works (it isn't officially supported).
Nov 05 21:34:48 <hrw|gone> argh...
Nov 05 21:34:53 <hrw|gone> ~kill natty initrds
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