**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 30 02:59:57 2010 Nov 30 03:02:31 what packages are needed for the efl version of netbook or unity in maverick? Nov 30 08:32:46 lool: hi. i don't understand your comment on #681267... Nov 30 08:32:56 bug 681267 Nov 30 08:32:56 Launchpad bug 681267 in debian (and 2 other projects) "Packages for armel are missing (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681267 Nov 30 08:33:08 ndec: Which part? Nov 30 08:36:27 lool: well, i don't understand what the problem is... Nov 30 08:36:32 lool: and what the fix is Nov 30 08:36:48 ndec: https://code.launchpad.net/packages-arch-specific Nov 30 08:37:27 ndec: We have some data files documenting which source packages are specific to some architectures, and in fact also which binary packages in some cases Nov 30 08:38:45 lool: so you mean that any packages that is arch specific (e.g. which is not Arch = any OR Arch = all) needs special attention? Nov 30 08:38:55 ndec: It's even before that Nov 30 08:39:27 ndec: Debian's wanna-build and Ubuntu's Launchpad schedulers simply don't schedule builds when a package is blacklisted according to this file Nov 30 08:39:35 lool: hey... one more new thing to learn today ;-) Nov 30 08:40:07 This is useful in cases where the software is irrelevant for certain arches, or needs improbable porting Nov 30 08:41:35 lool: ok. so the problem was that cpuburn was blacklisted in this file. I see your latest commit where you add it... so now you need to submit the source package again, right? Nov 30 08:42:56 is grub2 too complex to be used on ARM boards instead of u-boot and others that are currently used? Nov 30 08:44:16 janimo: grub2 relies on first stage bootloader (bios, efi) when uboot is usually used as first stage one Nov 30 08:44:18 ndec: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpuburn/1.4a-1build1 Nov 30 08:44:31 ndec: Yes, I had to wait some hours for new Pas to be picked up Nov 30 08:44:33 lool: thx! Nov 30 08:45:05 hrw: so grub2 would need to incorporate all the ARM specific hw bringup bits in order the fully replace them, ok Nov 30 08:45:29 hi folks Nov 30 08:45:44 I've made a Maverick microSD card for the beagleboard that kinda boots but not quite, is this the right place to ask for advice? Nov 30 08:48:09 janimo, It's lower level than that: there isn't any code to *load* grub from anywhere by default (although I suppose one could wedge the code that loads other bootloaders to kinda work, but only sorta). Compare to powerpc, where the boot process is openfirmware -> grub2 Nov 30 08:48:16 antoche, Yes. Nov 30 08:48:38 cool Nov 30 08:49:17 I roughly followed the instructions at http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Maverick_10.10_2 Nov 30 08:49:39 janimo, We've discussed this to death, and while a grub2 port would always be nice, the consensus seemed to be that something like coreboot would be more worthwhile, although the vendors seem to want to stick with u-boot. Nov 30 08:50:02 and got a card that doesn't boot on power-up, although if I boot on the beagle demo card, stop the autoboot and then swap cards and run 'boot', it works Nov 30 08:50:45 persia: coreboot -> seabios -> grub2 or coreboot -> grub2 chain then? Nov 30 08:51:07 persia: coreboot is nice thing but iirc still x86 only Nov 30 08:51:10 hrw, coreboot -> linux Nov 30 08:51:24 persia: you used coreboot at all? Nov 30 08:51:28 persia: thanks, is there a record of such discussions somewhere? I am mostly curious. Similar boot experience across all platforms would be nice to have Nov 30 08:51:32 hrw, I heard someone demo'd something like it a few months ago at a conference. Nov 30 08:51:51 janimo, There's a wealth of aging specs about it, but I think there's nothing coherent, sadly. Nov 30 08:51:56 ok Nov 30 08:52:17 I very much agree, especially since we've been able to move to grub2 for everything else this cycle, but it really needs a first-stage bootloader. Nov 30 08:52:46 persia: I have machine with coreboot here. best way (to be able to update kernels) is coreboot -> (seabios ->) grub2 and kernel from disk Nov 30 08:52:49 Someone could port openfirmware (it is known to work on ARM), or something, but most of the ARM folks seem to prefer having just one bootloader, rather than first-stage, second-stage (something about boot speed) Nov 30 08:53:06 persia: coreboot+linux can be made of course but each update == reflashing chip Nov 30 08:53:24 hrw, That's the most conventional way, indeed :) Apparently, doing something with kexec is somehow faster. Nov 30 08:53:34 yes, easier to bring up and test, especially if they only use a minimal BSP image over that and leave it to others to fill in Nov 30 08:53:43 hrw, No, you use kexec(), so you can update the running kernel separately from the flash kernel. Nov 30 08:54:02 antoche, We don't support that image: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle Nov 30 08:54:09 persia: if kexec works properly Nov 30 08:54:19 hrw, Well, of course :) Nov 30 08:54:38 persia: oh ok Nov 30 08:55:03 antoche, rcn-ee is about sometimes, so you might get some support, but it's not an official means of creating images. Nov 30 08:55:37 persia: rcn-ee? Nov 30 08:55:53 sorry I'm quite new to all this arm business Nov 30 08:56:19 The person who created the image at rcn-ee.net which is referenced in the wiki page you indicated you used :) Nov 30 08:56:47 arf ok sorry :) Nov 30 08:57:11 I yet have to know who's who here Nov 30 08:59:26 persia: I see the page you sent me says "running Ubuntu on a C series Beagleboard", any known problem with a beagle xM ? Nov 30 09:01:30 antoche: same image, same kernel Nov 30 09:05:36 Did the oddity with xM sound get sorted? I forget. Nov 30 09:06:29 persia: what was the oddity? Nov 30 09:07:01 I think it was something about issues with sound on both HDMI and the audio jacks. Nov 30 09:07:14 hm ok Nov 30 09:07:36 As long as you're not trying to do both at once, shouldn't be an issue, I think. Nov 30 09:10:02 persia: xM got hdmi audio? Nov 30 09:10:27 hrw, Doesn't it? I thought it had real HDMI, rather than just DVI-on-HDMI jack. I may be mistaken. Nov 30 09:11:28 persia: I'm just guessing based on memory of IRC traffic :) Nov 30 09:47:35 ogra: I found my pb about alsa-utils I think Nov 30 09:48:51 ogra: looks like updating alsa-utils in a ssh console will generate the errors I see. If I do the same thing in a console on the board, the installation goes fine. Nov 30 09:57:11 is there anyway to install ubuntu-netbook without installing the xserver packages and everything else? possibly by seeding it? Nov 30 10:11:08 tmzt_g2root, Not easily, because they are preinstalled images. You might try the netinstall image, which ought give you infinite customisation. Nov 30 10:11:46 I'm on a rootstock -s ubuntu-minimal Nov 30 10:12:10 I'm trying to install only the efl launcher, I'm using another X server so I don't need xserver-* Nov 30 10:12:30 but when I install ubuntu-netbook, even without recommends it wants to install all those packages Nov 30 10:13:14 Ah, yeah, because it needs an X server, and it can't tell you have one. Nov 30 10:13:48 is there a provides package I can use? Nov 30 10:13:49 If you're installing non-packaged software, you probably want to look at the equivs package to fake it. If you're using a packaged X server, there's a bug in the packaging. Nov 30 10:14:19 I'm trying to build a chroot with a minimal foot print, the X server is outside the chroot Nov 30 10:16:23 You could just install --no-recommends netbook-launcher-efl : the "ubuntu-netbook" package will always pull an X server (unless you fake it). Nov 30 10:16:44 I did --no-recommends Nov 30 10:16:48 it still installs xserver-* Nov 30 10:16:56 I also tried with xserver-xfbdev Nov 30 10:17:09 ubuntu-netbook depends on xorg Nov 30 10:18:13 okay, so if this is just a virtual package, what actually provides the efl launcher? that's what I'm trying ot install Nov 30 10:21:32 netbook-launcher-efl is the EFL launcher package. ubuntu-netbook is just a metapacakge with everything. Nov 30 10:22:48 yeah, I found it on so, I couldn't see why netbook-launcher-efl wasn't a dep, but I guess it's switched to unity now? Nov 30 10:25:47 I didn't think there was an EFL implementation of unity. Depends what you're trying to do, and with which release you're trying to do it. Nov 30 10:27:52 it's not a release, it's just a maverick rootstock Nov 30 10:28:16 For maverick, the EFL launcher was the netbook-launcher-efl package. Nov 30 10:28:24 I'm trying to build an image for my X server on android to give users a simple usable demonstration possibly with multitouch eventually Nov 30 10:28:52 right, so that's what I'm installing, thanks Nov 30 10:31:01 You probably want some number of other packages from ubuntu-netbook, to give the equivalent experience. I'd suggest installing them in small groups, so you can avoid installing stuff you don't want. Nov 30 10:31:36 yeah, so I'm going to have to figure out how to use a virtual package, but for now I'll just have a script they can use (the alpha testers essentially) to install stuff Nov 30 11:36:42 hello Nov 30 11:37:21 is someone here who can help me? I'm running ubuntu 10.10 on beagleboard-xm Nov 30 11:37:52 I have a kernel related question Nov 30 11:40:35 noone? Nov 30 11:44:42 anyone here with the abilty to help me in kernel related question? :) Nov 30 11:45:57 !ask Nov 30 11:45:59 Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) Nov 30 11:47:03 in other words: Don't ask to ask but ask Nov 30 11:49:02 sorry Nov 30 11:50:19 so, I installed ubuntu 10.10 onto beaglebboard-xm, according to http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Beagle_xM. Noticed that has heavy cpu loads, and found that "Demo Images contain a kernel with experimental options for the omap family... If you'd like to use ubuntu's supported kernel, just read "/etc/flash-kernel.conf" and disable the rcn-ee variable. Then install the ubuntu kernel and flash-kernel packages to overwrite. " Disabli Nov 30 11:52:49 your paste ended at "flash-kernel packages to overwrite. Disabl" Nov 30 11:53:24 overwrite. " Disabling it will increase performance? Nov 30 11:53:31 thats the ending Nov 30 11:55:11 i guess you need to wait for rcn-ee to show up, he maintains these community images Nov 30 11:55:22 (or use one of the official ones) Nov 30 11:56:33 or use linaro image Nov 30 11:59:10 I see... Nov 30 11:59:13 don't know if kernel is your problem Nov 30 11:59:34 generally rcn-ee creates a very usable kernel Nov 30 12:00:17 I do not no either, but they say if you want to use ubuntu's supported kernel Nov 30 12:00:42 so in my reading it means that teir kernel is not fully supported Nov 30 12:00:44 we are all working with the official images here Nov 30 12:00:59 so you need to wait for the maintainer of the images you use for more info Nov 30 12:01:38 he is on a US timezone so you will have to wait a while until he comes around Nov 30 12:02:34 Hrm? No reason one can't just install the regular packages. Nov 30 12:02:56 okay...then an other question. I read /etc/flash-kernel.conf, #-ed out the mentioned line. now how can I install ubuntu kernel? bit noob to linux... Nov 30 12:04:03 persia, i have no idea how flash-kernel is modified on these images Nov 30 12:04:11 `apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.35-22-omap flash-kernel` ought do it. Nov 30 12:04:19 and i doubt anyone here has apart from rcn-ee Nov 30 12:04:36 ogra, This is why one reinstalls it :) I don't trust any out-of-archive sources or images. Nov 30 12:05:01 persia, thats all? Nov 30 12:05:29 Dunno. Depends what else is non-standard from your install. We all use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle as a guide Nov 30 12:06:01 persia, thats lucid Nov 30 12:06:07 persia: I'm having another problem, before when I did dbus-launch netbook-launcher-efl it would work, I could browse to different tabs and start programs, then I installed the preferences by symlinking them from xdg-une-efl and now no matter how I start the launcher it immediately fades and becomes unresponsive Nov 30 12:06:16 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP is the right page Nov 30 12:06:46 Um, shouldn't there just be one page? Nov 30 12:06:48 * persia is confused Nov 30 12:07:12 the lucid pages should be aggregated under the OMAP one Nov 30 12:07:32 okay, seems to be fixed after deleting .gconf Nov 30 12:07:40 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle shoudl go away (redirect to /OMAP) Nov 30 12:08:00 There's too much content there to go away right now, but I agree :) Nov 30 12:08:14 persia, the /OMAP page should generally become our landing page for all install instructions for all releases Nov 30 12:13:02 ogra, makes sense: sort by installation target. Nov 30 12:13:12 right Nov 30 12:13:23 that was the idea behind the OMAP page Nov 30 12:13:45 so we can ling it from cdimage and dont need to update cdimage index files for every release Nov 30 12:13:49 *link Nov 30 12:18:29 touch .Xauthority :) gksudo is so broken Nov 30 12:18:48 ?? Nov 30 12:19:20 gksudo fails if it can't copy .Xauthority, but it doesn't check if there's anything in the file or if the host is in the acl Nov 30 12:19:35 why would it not be able to copy it ? Nov 30 12:19:47 because my Xserver isn't running inside the chroot Nov 30 12:19:51 it definitely isnt broken in a default setup Nov 30 12:19:57 ah, well Nov 30 12:20:11 dont blame software for not coping with a broken setup ;) Nov 30 12:20:29 right, but it's a false positive Nov 30 12:20:40 there are certain steps you need to take to run X apps in chroots Nov 30 12:20:43 it wasn't going to fail, but it gets out with an error messge Nov 30 12:20:52 (like bind mounting the right dirs etc) Nov 30 12:21:12 yeah, but I have make my server dump the .Xauthority somewhere first Nov 30 12:21:15 there is debian documentation for such setups somewhere Nov 30 12:21:35 or figure out how to generate the cookie, I'm not even quite sure how it works Nov 30 12:22:16 yu bind mount /tmp and /home/$USER into your chroot, gdm creates the cookie at login time Nov 30 12:23:03 These days you have to fiddle with /var/run for dbus also Nov 30 12:23:23 yeah Nov 30 12:28:49 reinstalled kernel Nov 30 12:29:29 maybe slightly faster, but still could produce 1.3 cpu load...with just an apt-get update... Nov 30 12:30:30 so netbook-launcher isn't intended for use with touchscreens? Nov 30 12:31:02 szoszi, values > 1 for load are typical with apt-get update: it's multithreaded, so there is almost always something waiting for CPU time, unless you have really slow IO. Nov 30 12:31:25 tmzt_g2root, I wouldn't say that: I'd say instead that testing on touchscreens has been light. Nov 30 12:32:11 well, finger interaction with the scrollbar and scrolling with touch don't work, though my touchscreen is only sending normal mouse events Nov 30 12:32:14 I don't know if that's why Nov 30 12:33:06 persia, than that might be my problem? Mostly IO usese higher percentage of CPU... Nov 30 12:33:23 like this : CPU usage 0% user, 1% kernel, 42% IO, 57% idle Nov 30 12:33:32 szoszi, Um, no. IO typically uses no CPU, although the CPU may block waiting for IO to complete and be unable to do anything at all. Nov 30 12:34:01 That means your CPU isn't doing much of anything, just waiting for the IO subsystem to provide some data. Nov 30 12:34:43 IO uses CPU if your rootfs is on USb Nov 30 12:34:51 due to the nature of USb Nov 30 12:35:10 rootfs is on micro SD Nov 30 12:35:48 ogra, Why? Does all the USB accounting overhead get called "IO" by the kernel? Nov 30 12:36:52 no idea, i just know that USB usually uses CPU time for transfers Nov 30 12:40:01 Ah, yeah. That's true (assuming you don't have a separate USB data transfer core in your hardware, with appropriate drivers). I just didn't know it showed up as "iowait" in the linux accounting subsystem. Nov 30 12:43:31 okay :) I'm confused. :) Will download and install official ubuntu image :D Nov 30 12:46:10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetbookInstall it's not mentioned here, but as I know a fat partition and u-boot is requered. From where can I obtain proper files for this? Nov 30 12:46:45 szoszi, They are already included in the image. Nov 30 12:47:15 wrong wikipage again Nov 30 12:47:30 follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP Nov 30 12:48:07 we didnt support XM before maverick Nov 30 12:48:22 Couldn't: it didn't exist. Nov 30 12:48:32 so lucid wont run on xm? Nov 30 12:48:38 right Nov 30 12:48:40 Very unlikely. Nov 30 12:49:20 shit...just felt that that netbook-look is quite handy :) Nov 30 12:49:37 !ohmy > szoszi Nov 30 12:49:38 szoszi, please see my private message Nov 30 12:49:51 It's available in maverick as well :) Nov 30 12:52:03 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/maverick/release/ here is no premade image, as I see. Or you mean as a package? Nov 30 12:52:29 See the URL in the /topic :) Nov 30 12:52:32 : ubot2 how? Nov 30 12:52:55 the maverick images look pretty much the same as the lucid ones Nov 30 12:53:05 the UI is the same launcher Nov 30 12:53:40 persia...right :) Nov 30 12:53:42 thanks :) Nov 30 12:58:43 !ohmy Nov 30 12:58:44 Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others. Nov 30 12:58:52 :D Nov 30 12:59:13 szoszi, saw your message on #beagle, swapping kernel's isn't going to really dramaticly improve your performance.. swapping out the card that came with your xM with a class 6 will give you a little more.. Nov 30 12:59:45 ugh, who still uses class 6 for rootfses ? Nov 30 12:59:55 * ogra_ac would always recommend class 10 Nov 30 13:00:31 well class 6+ i use usb/sata drives.. ;) Nov 30 13:00:49 :) Nov 30 13:01:05 but anything is faster then the sd card that comes with the xM... Nov 30 13:01:24 * ogra_ac didnt know the XM ships one Nov 30 13:01:32 mine came without card Nov 30 13:02:10 you had a pre-production one.. ;) the production ones come with a default easy first boot angstrom.. never booted it myself.. Nov 30 13:03:44 rcn-ee, thanks for the tip, but average loads are still over 1. Maybe try angstrom next. :) But as you nor I did boot the factory image Nov 30 13:04:29 but by the way I feel it slightly better ;) Nov 30 13:06:45 you will get a slight speed bump from angstrom, as they run the xM at 1Ghz... Mine is limted to 800.. for comparsion which io load command where you running? Nov 30 13:09:16 rcn-ee, could you please ask "for comparsion which io load command where you running?" a diffent way? I cannot catch the question... Nov 30 13:10:47 szoszi, sorry slow morning.. it wasn't top.. which command where you monitoring kernel and i/o %... Nov 30 13:11:35 rcn-ee, just installed webmin... Nov 30 13:12:59 maybe it's not trustable, I do not really know, but seems correct Nov 30 13:13:06 ah, yeah use to run that on my beagle's that program seems to creates a lot of extra i/o itself.. Nov 30 13:14:50 so you blame webmin for lots of IO? where can I monitor IO? :) top does not show up Nov 30 13:16:20 use iotop? Nov 30 13:16:36 iotop/iostat/etc.. Nov 30 14:11:55 hello again, downloaded and tried to write ubuntu netbook arm image, like this sudo sh -c 'zcat /dev/sda, but atfer hitting enter I can only see a ">" and seems nothing happens. Any idea? Nov 30 14:12:39 Yes, add a closing ' Nov 30 14:14:33 ...did not notice...I should se no charecters flowing randomly? and changing rapidly? Nov 30 14:16:48 no, you see nothing until the command is done usually Nov 30 14:17:27 then something is wrong Nov 30 14:17:59 yes, you miss > in your command Nov 30 14:18:38 sudo sh -c 'zcat /path/to/downloaded/image.img > /dev/sda' Nov 30 14:19:38 now seems fine :) Nov 30 14:19:43 :) Nov 30 14:20:25 iotop shows disk write 10-20M :) Thanks ogra_ac and sorry Nov 30 14:21:47 sorry ? for what ? Nov 30 14:22:13 nothing to feel sorry about ;) Nov 30 14:24:19 ogra_ac I should spend more time with linux and less with M$ products. But at the company we use M$ Nov 30 14:24:58 no need to excuse yourself for that Nov 30 14:25:06 szoszi, Don't make it a "should": do what you enjoy. Ensure you can afford to do so :) Nov 30 14:27:53 persia, with my girlfriend we are planning to move to the uk :D There are non-it jobs at M&S for start. Later on migh pick IT angain Nov 30 14:28:42 ogra_ac: new qt package, that disables neon by default is not yet at natty Nov 30 14:29:10 then to properly get a package version for the ppa it would be good to have the same commit you did for natty Nov 30 14:31:25 I messed up. Just noticed that I need a 4gb+ memory card for the image, but I have a 2 gb inserted, can I do anything with this premage image to fit? Nov 30 14:31:28 rsalveti, so you need my upload first ? Nov 30 14:31:43 ScottK, ^^^ Nov 30 14:32:13 ogra_ac: it'd be good, because then I just build a new version with ppa1 on it Nov 30 14:32:17 ScottK, i will upload qt with the same change i did in the SRU, rsalveti will provide a PPA with NEON Nov 30 14:32:25 just FYI Nov 30 14:33:08 ogra_ac: There's no point in uploading to Natty as it will just FTBFS. Nov 30 14:33:20 argh, true Nov 30 14:33:28 (to be honest i would be ok if the maverick change would just be allowed into -updates and we leave natty as is and give upstram time to fix it during the cycle) Nov 30 14:33:29 it's still broken Nov 30 14:33:36 ogra_ac: I'd prefer that. Nov 30 14:33:57 lets go to -devel and convince pitti then Nov 30 14:34:03 alright Nov 30 14:46:59 I messed up. Just noticed that I need a 4gb+ memory card for the image, but I have a 2 gb inserted, can I do anything with this premage image to fit to a 2gb sd card? Nov 30 14:48:24 no Nov 30 14:48:34 thought so :) Nov 30 14:48:36 it is 2.2G big if it is unpacked Nov 30 14:48:53 so you truncate it if you write it to a smaller card Nov 30 14:49:02 lol, than I have to go and buy an sd card :) Nov 30 14:52:12 Consider it an opportunity to get a fast one :) Nov 30 14:53:38 :D Nov 30 14:53:46 that will be the second :) Nov 30 14:54:15 by the way the firs option faster than bigger :D Nov 30 14:55:26 since I received my beagle I'm thinging, but could not find an example, is is possible, did someone manage to install multiple OS on a single sd? Nov 30 15:19:07 seems like the Toshiba Mini NB300 series is a decent netbook option for home/small business use? Nov 30 15:22:26 Aside from the fact that it's the wrong architecture :) Nov 30 15:22:52 knew something would bite me in the ass... just looking for basic netbook advice. sorry. :P Nov 30 15:28:02 * janimo finds the reason for NUX FTBFS Nov 30 15:29:31 janimo, wohoo Nov 30 15:29:34 great Nov 30 15:29:57 need t6o talk to NUX guys, I am not sure I can just upload a fix. Upstream is Canonical apparently Nov 30 15:30:19 strangely I see not NUX pacage on x86 natty but have one on kakadu Nov 30 15:30:20 janimo, talk to didrocks on #ubuntu-devel Nov 30 15:30:29 ah ok. I tried ayatana Nov 30 15:30:52 he maintains it in ubuntu and will incprporate fixes (and forward them to ayatana) Nov 30 15:31:30 ok. Went further anfd found another bug so still FTBFS Nov 30 15:31:38 (and i knoe he planned an upload before A1) Nov 30 15:31:50 there's a release out a few hours ago Nov 30 15:35:17 well, the last upload was 5 days ago Nov 30 15:42:03 uh, NUX is a graphics framework made for x86 win/lin/mac . Needs more work to learn about ARM, not a simple packaging FTBFS Nov 30 15:42:52 janimo: yeah, and needs to support gles to be fully compatible with arm boards Nov 30 15:43:28 I'll look at fixing the buld first. Is GLES a runtime or build req? Nov 30 15:43:29 janimo: probably something the dx team needs help with, if you have time Nov 30 15:43:38 sure, am looking at the code now Nov 30 15:43:50 janimo: gles is a nice to have, but we're ok if we don't have it as we can run gl with mesa by software Nov 30 15:44:03 may need to set up a bzr branch if there will be more than a few patches Nov 30 15:44:18 yeah, building on arm is the first step Nov 30 15:44:27 is gles hard? I am not familiar with its status, I see it is assgned to you Nov 30 15:45:01 janimo: are you familiar with gl and gles stuff? the idea of the bp is to move the packages to be gles by default Nov 30 15:45:03 on arm Nov 30 15:45:08 instead of gl Nov 30 15:45:30 then we can use the hw accelerated drivers Nov 30 15:45:40 like we have for omap3 and omap4 atm Nov 30 15:46:06 janimo: nux is required by the new unity + compiz stuff Nov 30 15:46:21 rsalveti: not familiar but have nothing against getting familiar Nov 30 15:46:26 :-) Nov 30 15:47:40 will be out for lunch now, we can talk more about it later :-) Nov 30 15:48:09 enjoy your meal! Nov 30 15:48:26 thanks :-) Nov 30 15:48:27 * rsalveti lunch Nov 30 15:57:25 netbook isn't quite usable in wvga either Nov 30 16:59:18 tmzt_g2root, nothing in ubuntu is optimized for 480px vertical, 600px is minimal Nov 30 17:00:02 it's maximus, the open dialog was working without it and centered on the screen Nov 30 17:00:15 but maximus thinks it's a top level and tries to expand it Nov 30 17:00:36 theme looks totally out of place too Nov 30 17:00:38 there are gconf keys for excluding apps from maximus handling Nov 30 17:01:02 yeah, nobody made any effort to adjust to 800x480 Nov 30 17:01:16 yeah I need to put the gconf files back in there Nov 30 17:01:18 well, persia did quite a while ago, but we didnt follow up on that Nov 30 17:01:24 I lost my panels/window switcher too Nov 30 17:02:02 is maximus a wm? can it be used to switch between programs? I can't seem to get anything to not be always on top Nov 30 17:02:08 like it's unmanaged Nov 30 17:03:41 maximus is a metacity extension iirc Nov 30 17:05:43 so metacity is running? Nov 30 17:05:47 or should be Nov 30 17:05:58 i think so, not sure Nov 30 17:08:50 doesn't seem to be running, that might be the problem Nov 30 17:24:47 ogra_ac: bamboo pcb are out for production Nov 30 17:25:05 wohooo ! Nov 30 17:25:19 ogra_ac: i have a couple other boards i'm looking at doing Nov 30 17:26:32 ogra_ac: thoughts on a board the exact same size of the pandaboard that has the following: two usb host ports, eeprom, battery backed rtc, and some breakout headers Nov 30 17:27:39 sounds like beagle Cx revived Nov 30 17:28:49 * armin76 points prpplague to #pandaboard Nov 30 17:29:04 prpplague, no tower ? Nov 30 17:29:11 (and no NIC) Nov 30 17:29:41 armin76: ?? Nov 30 17:29:47 hey i just set up ubuntu 10.10 desktop has anyone else made a image of that for download? Nov 30 17:29:53 he just wants to tease you Nov 30 17:29:58 ahh Nov 30 17:30:15 ogra_ac: sorry what i meant was an accessory board for the pandaboard Nov 30 17:30:24 mellis, the netbook images we provide contain dektop Nov 30 17:30:26 ogra: basically just adds the extra ports Nov 30 17:30:29 ah Nov 30 17:30:38 i thought instead of what the panda has atm Nov 30 17:30:39 ogra: it would be a inexpensive add on Nov 30 17:30:53 additional USB ports would be good, yeah Nov 30 17:31:06 since the two on the board are usually taken by kbd and mouse Nov 30 17:31:26 and pattery backed rtc would be good too Nov 30 17:31:28 anything with ethernet? Nov 30 17:31:37 panda has ethernet already Nov 30 17:31:42 as well as wlan Nov 30 17:31:43 cool Nov 30 17:32:13 ogra_ac: techincally all you need to add the additional usb ports is just to get some of these - http://www.amazon.com/2-Port-Rear-Panel-Bracket-Adapter/dp/B002IWEDSS Nov 30 17:32:33 yeah, i know Nov 30 17:33:05 but the board itself has only two which gets in your way if you want to run it as a desktop with usb disk Nov 30 17:33:45 ogra_ac yeah but thats the netbook desktop witch not what all useres what Nov 30 17:34:16 mellis, no, the normal desktop Nov 30 17:34:25 you can select it at the login manager Nov 30 17:34:33 its shipped by default Nov 30 17:34:43 ahh ok i couldint get that image to work for me Nov 30 17:34:54 on what hw ? Nov 30 17:35:03 beagle xm rev 2 Nov 30 17:35:16 should work Nov 30 17:35:16 it wouldint output to s-video Nov 30 17:35:22 oh, s-video Nov 30 17:35:24 yeah Nov 30 17:35:30 not much tested by us Nov 30 17:35:41 * ogra_ac knows your bug i think Nov 30 17:35:51 yeah bit anoying Nov 30 17:36:06 we'll try to put some focus on it in natty Nov 30 17:36:33 yeah that would be great Nov 30 17:37:57 even the u-boot in that image didnt output to s-video Nov 30 17:40:58 ogra_ac: yea but you can add the extra ports pretty quick, the pinout is 1 to 1 for the connectors Nov 30 17:41:06 ogra_ac: all you have to do is solder on the header Nov 30 17:41:47 mellis, u-boot doesnt output to *any* graphical display Nov 30 17:41:52 only to serial Nov 30 17:42:10 prpplague, yup or use a proper plug Nov 30 17:42:31 the one i use outputs bars to s-video Nov 30 17:43:21 ogra_ac: actually u-boot does have support for boot splash screen on some devices Nov 30 17:43:33 prpplague, i know Nov 30 17:43:50 i was talking about ubuntus u-boot binary indeed Nov 30 17:43:54 ahh Nov 30 17:44:02 * prpplague needs to get that working for the panda Nov 30 17:45:02 sakoman cant help with that ? Nov 30 17:45:29 we are using linaros u-boot with should be his Nov 30 17:47:44 ogra_ac: yea i am sure he can for a fee , hehe Nov 30 17:48:39 heh Nov 30 17:48:59 well, thats good, we need to keep him alive ;) Nov 30 17:49:18 * ogra_ac is all for paying good developers money ;) Nov 30 17:50:12 GrueMaster, my omap4 buld is running since more than 30mins already, seems it will survive, so you should have something to test in about 1-1.5h Nov 30 17:51:22 ok Nov 30 17:53:03 anyone know how to fix "unable to enumerate USB device on port" errors? Nov 30 17:56:57 I'm running a BeagleBoard Rev C3 with 10.10 Nov 30 18:01:10 Kamondelious, are you using a powered hub ? Nov 30 18:01:32 yes Nov 30 18:02:06 well, C3 did have USB issues iirc Nov 30 18:02:22 I only seem to have issues with this error when I plug in my webcam Nov 30 18:02:31 dang Nov 30 18:03:46 oh, that rather sounds liek a missing driver Nov 30 18:03:56 what kind of webcam is that ? Nov 30 18:04:07 uvc Nov 30 18:04:37 hmm, should have a driver iirc Nov 30 18:04:57 the uvc module is loaded Nov 30 18:05:22 and the camera works on other computers Nov 30 18:05:23 weird Nov 30 18:05:46 it did get autmatically loaded ? Nov 30 18:05:58 when plugging in the camera ? Nov 30 18:06:09 no, I loaded it with modprobe Nov 30 18:06:13 ah Nov 30 18:06:45 added it to /etc/modules Nov 30 18:07:09 well, that wont help much Nov 30 18:07:26 udev should load it automatically if your cam is associated with the driver Nov 30 18:07:41 ahh Nov 30 19:43:36 ogra_ac, I can confirm that I have had this same camera working on my BeagleBoard before, with a previous Ubuntu (10.04 community) install Nov 30 19:44:17 very odd, I might have to break down a buy another powered usb hub to eliminate that as the issue Nov 30 20:55:43 GrueMaster: hi Nov 30 21:01:56 GrueMaster: I was wondering if you saw my update on Launchpad and if you were unblock with your display Nov 30 21:02:44 I saw the LP entry. Haven't gotten further yet. Nov 30 21:04:59 I had my colleague do the exact same update and we couldn't see the issue. that's weird. I need to compare our setups Nov 30 21:15:26 hey guys i just picked up a tablet that runs android and has ubuntu running ARM. What are the repos for ubuntu arm? Nov 30 21:15:38 all they have is some crap one that has almost no software Nov 30 21:16:50 epp: what is your tablet? Nov 30 21:17:01 we first need to check if it's compatible with ubuntu Nov 30 21:17:06