**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 03 02:59:58 2011 Jan 03 11:10:40 morning Jan 03 11:11:14 ogra: getting back to work I believe the main issue for getting images is the u-boot mkimage transition Jan 03 11:11:35 for some reason people decided to remove it first before fixing the archive Jan 03 11:12:01 to be faster than debian, but this is still being discussed there Jan 03 11:13:08 ogra: and something would be good to have a final conclusion is the kernel for omap 3, and trying to use the linaro one Jan 03 11:13:20 if not this week, at least let's have a discussion next one Jan 03 11:13:49 do pandaboard wlan work on natty? I installed the mavertick packages from TI PPA but they don;t seem to work (no chip found by modprobe) Jan 03 11:14:08 rsalveti, i'd like to solve it this week Jan 03 11:14:13 depending on workload Jan 03 11:14:25 yeah Jan 03 11:14:38 for mkimage we're waiting for the MIR Jan 03 11:15:02 i agree, it was bad to remove uboot-mkimage first, complain to lool Jan 03 11:15:15 janimo: hm, I believe you need to get a new wlan package Jan 03 11:15:20 not that the images did build though Jan 03 11:15:50 well, we got a broken image for days just because of the mkimage mess Jan 03 11:15:58 the package was removed at 12-14 Jan 03 11:16:04 yep Jan 03 11:16:12 but yeah, still waiting for the MIR Jan 03 11:17:06 janimo: try using https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/omap-trunk Jan 03 11:18:04 ogra: another thing is that I got a new x-loader package for omap 3 and omap 4, and will try to update it this week Jan 03 11:18:14 the good thing is that I'm building both from the same sources Jan 03 11:18:19 so one less package at the archive Jan 03 11:19:21 ogra: Why complain to me? Jan 03 11:19:23 janimo: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_OMAP_trunk Jan 03 11:19:37 rsalveti: thanks. upgrading to that PPA now Jan 03 11:19:41 janimo: ti updated most packages for 10.10 Jan 03 11:19:47 but natty is using the same kernel Jan 03 11:19:54 janimo: you may need a new x-loader Jan 03 11:20:06 rsalveti: hmm, does that affect the wlan chip? Jan 03 11:20:08 if you're using the latest natty's kernel Jan 03 11:20:12 ogra: I didn't trigger the mkimage issues; the packages were automatically imported from Debian Jan 03 11:20:22 am using 35- 1001 I think Jan 03 11:20:28 janimo: not directly I believe, but it's good to use the new x-loader with latest kernel Jan 03 11:20:34 ogra: I just noticed because I have mkimage on my laptop and I saw the uboot-mkimage package as obsolete after an upgrade Jan 03 11:21:27 hmm, so removals happen automatically ? Jan 03 11:21:36 rsalveti: but uBoot actually uses the kernel image on the first partition, and regardless of what I upgrade to on / that kernel is used still right? Jan 03 11:21:37 i thought that needs manual action Jan 03 11:21:50 then i dont blame you :) Jan 03 11:21:51 I believe it was manually removed Jan 03 11:22:02 but it wasn't lool Jan 03 11:22:07 ogra: I have no idea whether they happen automatically; I didn't request removal, and I'm not an archive admin Jan 03 11:22:45 janimo: yes, but after a kernel update the flash-kernel tool is called Jan 03 11:22:53 and then it upgrades the kernel from the first partition Jan 03 11:22:57 ah, ok Jan 03 11:23:01 did not know that Jan 03 11:27:03 lool: ogra: bug 674904 Jan 03 11:27:03 Launchpad bug 674904 in uboot-mkimage (Ubuntu) "Please remove uboot-mkimage from the archive (affects: 1) (heat: 77)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/674904 Jan 03 11:29:45 * ogra rants a bit on that bug Jan 03 11:30:52 asac, are you still active in the MIR team (i.e. could you approve u-boot) ? Jan 03 11:34:16 ogra: is that upstream u-boot? Jan 03 11:34:35 * asac thought we already had some u-boot in main Jan 03 11:34:54 I even made a patch for u-boot to ship uboot-mkimage transitional Jan 03 11:35:55 http://pastebin.com/g49n8Jde Jan 03 11:36:00 asac: it's upstream u-boot Jan 03 11:36:20 ogra: bug id please Jan 03 11:36:26 lool: can you finally review it? Jan 03 11:36:35 asac: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u-boot/+bug/692613 Jan 03 11:36:36 Launchpad bug 692613 in u-boot (Ubuntu) "[MIR] u-boot (affects: 1) (heat: 509)" [Undecided,New] Jan 03 11:36:37 bug 692613 Jan 03 11:36:39 Launchpad bug 692613 in u-boot (Ubuntu) "[MIR] u-boot (affects: 1) (heat: 509)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/692613 Jan 03 11:37:09 hrw: Ah right; I have it in my TODO for a while, I wanted to fix some small things and fix the i386 build issue as well, but didn't get to it before the break; sorry about that Jan 03 11:38:17 lool: happens. next time I will request bugs/reviews probably so others could look too Jan 03 11:38:21 asac: uboot-mkimage was in main, and uboot-envtools is in main; uboot-mkimage is gone and was a fork of the upstream u-boot code Jan 03 11:38:34 lool: ftbfs on i386 Jan 03 11:38:47 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u-boot/2010.12~rc2-1ubuntu1 Jan 03 11:38:50 hrw: Note that the package name will change too, so I expect we will have to do another round Jan 03 11:38:58 asac: I've noted that in the MIR Jan 03 11:39:08 lool: does this ship anything besides uboot-mkimage? Jan 03 11:39:13 e.g. any u-boot bootloader? Jan 03 11:39:13 asac: Yes; it ships u-boot Jan 03 11:39:19 asac: but we don't use these images Jan 03 11:39:31 the Debian maintainer is semi-convinced that we need to split mkimage in a separate package Jan 03 11:40:13 lool: so no: http://paste.ubuntu.com/549796/ Jan 03 11:40:18 This is discussed in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594937 Jan 03 11:40:20 Debian bug 594937 in u-boot "u-boot: Create binary package for each supported machine instead of for each architecture" [Wishlist,Open] Jan 03 11:40:20 not a single relevant bootloader for ubuntu ;) Jan 03 11:40:29 nah Jan 03 11:40:34 asac: It's the Debian package Jan 03 11:40:36 couldnt we at least produce omap3 from that source? Jan 03 11:41:09 theoretically we could Jan 03 11:41:11 asac: I don't see any harm in keeping whatever Debian maintains; we don't care about the bootloader bits Jan 03 11:41:16 but we're using the linaro one for that Jan 03 11:41:20 right Jan 03 11:41:23 for both omap 3 and omap 4 Jan 03 11:41:29 I don't see why we should move away of Linaro's u-boot Jan 03 11:43:00 we would have two omap source packages again (linaro omap4 and debian omap3) it would somehow defeat the purpose of unifying but techincally we could indeed build the omap3 binary Jan 03 11:43:13 and i belive there is work going on in debian to actually do that Jan 03 11:43:15 i would prefer to wait for u-boot-tools to arrive from debian ... until then couldnt we just use one of our existing u-boot packages to provide mkimage Jan 03 11:43:40 * ogra remembers a discussion about building official debian omap3 kernels, they will for sure also build bootloaders if they do that Jan 03 11:43:46 asac: Well, we could split u-boot in two in the way that we anticipate Debian to do it and provide the patch Jan 03 11:43:56 right Jan 03 11:43:59 thats fine with me Jan 03 11:44:31 and by we, I obviously don't specifically mean me :-) Jan 03 11:45:28 rsalveti, hi and happy new year :) Jan 03 11:45:35 guerby: hey! Jan 03 11:45:41 happy new year! Jan 03 11:46:11 rsalveti, my pandaboard still freeze every few days, did you get any feedback from TI on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/690370 ? Jan 03 11:46:12 Launchpad bug 690370 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Strange out of memory on pandaboard (affects: 1) (heat: 202)" [Undecided,New] Jan 03 11:46:31 guerby: ti is getting back to work today too, so I expect something this week Jan 03 11:47:04 rsalveti, ok great! thanks for your work on this. I'm still hoping to put the pandaboard online :) Jan 03 11:47:21 guerby: sure, will try to do some work on this bug this week Jan 03 11:47:41 my membership of ubuntu-mobile is due to expire - is this team deprecated now? Jan 03 11:49:33 yep Jan 03 11:49:54 if you are intrested in arm work, there is ubuntu-armel Jan 03 11:53:57 * hrw will look at uboot/i386 ftfbs Jan 03 11:55:19 hrw, i doubt thats easily solveable without a package split Jan 03 11:55:22 hrw: see u-boot mailing-list Jan 03 11:55:32 hrw: I propose two fixes; the maintainer of the board says he is working on sending the patc h Jan 03 11:55:47 hrw: I think we should just send two patches Jan 03 11:56:07 lool: official uboot ml one? Jan 03 11:56:57 hrw: Yes Jan 03 11:57:16 hrw: MID 20101220111358.GA28532@bee.dooz.org Jan 03 11:58:42 lool: author name would be better... Jan 03 11:58:53 gmane lacks mid search Jan 03 12:50:06 hrw: It does have it Jan 03 12:50:15 hrw: http://mid.gmane.org/20101220111358.GA28532%40bee.dooz.org Jan 03 12:55:33 ok, thx Jan 03 17:39:18 hi all , i have downloaded http://rcn-ee.net/deb/rootfs/maverick/ubuntu-10.10-r3-minimal-armel.tar.7z Jan 03 17:39:37 how to install unity in that Jan 03 17:39:48 to create a netbook image Jan 03 17:42:51 aksh1: if you're using this rootfs already then you just need to install unity, but it doesn't work that well with GL ES Jan 03 17:44:52 rsalveti, then do i need to do any changes ? Jan 03 17:45:13 aksh1: you need to install the unity package Jan 03 17:46:12 rsalveti, but you told that it doesn't work well Jan 03 17:46:22 with GL ES Jan 03 17:46:50 aksh1: sure, I wouldn't recommend to use it with gl es Jan 03 17:47:00 you can, but it's very slow and crashes a lot Jan 03 17:47:05 that will be fixed for natty Jan 03 17:47:12 rsalveti, what will be the best Jan 03 17:47:24 for now on arm the efl netbook interface is the best option Jan 03 17:47:36 or other wm like xfce Jan 03 17:47:59 rsalveti, how about lxde Jan 03 17:48:23 which is good better performance in xfce4 and lxde Jan 03 17:48:43 aksh1: could be, just never tried Jan 03 17:49:20 ion surely has the better performance ;) Jan 03 17:49:38 I'd use evilwm Jan 03 17:49:40 :P Jan 03 17:49:48 heh Jan 03 17:50:38 evilwm ? Jan 03 17:50:44 * ogra always loved wm2 Jan 03 17:51:13 evilwm is a very minimal wm Jan 03 17:51:19 you can only open a terminal with it hehe Jan 03 17:51:25 and move it Jan 03 17:51:39 wm2 already has a tasklist Jan 03 17:51:46 and shiny window decorations Jan 03 17:52:39 ogra@ac100:~$ apt-cache show wm2|grep -i size Jan 03 17:52:39 Installed-Size: 116 Jan 03 17:52:39 Size: 33096 Jan 03 17:52:39 ogra@ac100:~$ apt-cache show evilwm|grep -i size Jan 03 17:52:39 Installed-Size: 96 Jan 03 17:52:40 Size: 30236 Jan 03 17:52:49 hmm, but evilwm wins the size battle Jan 03 17:52:55 rsalveti, i am looking a wm with full fledged gui to test utouch Jan 03 17:53:05 ogra: ;-) Jan 03 17:53:23 i guess you cant have bling without paying for it ;) Jan 03 17:54:32 aksh1, then take the efl launcher Jan 03 18:03:49 GrueMaster: I get banshee UI coming up over ssh -X and I can use the menus. no crash so far Jan 03 18:04:02 * janimo has just started banshee for the first time ever Jan 03 18:04:03 Interesting. Jan 03 18:04:20 last liune in the log is [Info 19:58:16.396] nereid Client Started Jan 03 18:04:28 so right before you see the exception Jan 03 18:04:37 this is an up-todate natty on pandaboard Jan 03 18:06:35 same here/ Jan 03 18:07:13 Will try normal desktop to see if it is a netbook-ui issue. Jan 03 18:14:09 Nope, still fails. Different error though, but I suspect the root is the same. Jan 03 18:15:32 did you wash your fingers before firing it up ? its very fragile ;) Jan 03 18:15:37 GrueMaster: so you can reproduce on panda/natty too? Jan 03 18:15:48 This is panda/natty. Jan 03 18:15:52 ok Jan 03 18:16:13 within seconds from startup? Jan 03 18:16:18 yes. Jan 03 18:16:26 can you check if it crashes with ssh -X too? Jan 03 18:16:35 not that it should be much of a difference Jan 03 18:16:44 It doesn't stay up long enough to use the menus. Will try ssh -x. Jan 03 18:16:53 just to make sure I can try reproduce without pulling out the HDMI cable Jan 03 18:17:10 which means no dual monitor on my workstation :D Jan 03 18:17:23 Also, I am not getting any window frames in classic desktop mode. Jan 03 18:17:28 (different issue). Jan 03 18:18:32 GrueMaster, remove maximus or disable it in the session settings Jan 03 18:18:47 i thought i had solved that one in maverick Jan 03 18:19:04 is that a maverick->natty upgrade ? Jan 03 18:19:15 or a plain natty install Jan 03 18:20:23 FYI mine is a natty image made with rootstock Jan 03 18:20:36 ah Jan 03 18:20:40 dont trust rootstock Jan 03 18:21:04 its as close as possible to a real install, but after all not identical Jan 03 18:22:28 ogra: alsa-utils is still broken :-) Jan 03 18:22:37 another package to fix soon Jan 03 18:22:40 yeah Jan 03 18:22:49 first images ... then packages Jan 03 18:22:54 sure Jan 03 18:23:19 i also have a broken shadow to fix and doko slowly gets nasty Jan 03 18:23:28 ogra: This is the last natty image prior to mkimage snafu, updated to latest packages. Jan 03 18:23:36 k Jan 03 18:23:39 thx Jan 03 18:23:55 that should have the fixed maximus Jan 03 18:24:10 keep the pieces until next week and i'll take a look Jan 03 18:24:26 ogra: rootstock is recommened in the wiki, it is no longer to be used? Jan 03 18:24:38 janimo: it's ok to use it Jan 03 18:24:42 are there better ways to do the same? Jan 03 18:24:52 but while reproducing issues, the best option is to use the preinstalled image Jan 03 18:25:06 ok Jan 03 18:25:13 janimo, rootstock is o for building for unsupported HW, for test and development images, but you will only get 100% identical results on the real images Jan 03 18:25:22 s/o/ok/ Jan 03 18:25:24 just because the supported images are the preinstalled ones Jan 03 18:25:50 I used rsalveti's instructions to have / on an external USB drive so could not really use the preinstalled image Jan 03 18:26:00 there is no guarantee that rootstock builds 100% the same as we do with the preinstalled image Jan 03 18:26:00 s Jan 03 18:26:00 it is much much faster this way that on SD card Jan 03 18:26:27 well probabaly not the same, but for individual user space app testing I think there should be no differences Jan 03 18:26:28 janimo: sure, while debugging and building stuff the usb disk usage is the best option Jan 03 18:26:39 but while reproducing and testing bugs, try using the preinstalled one Jan 03 18:26:40 the setup might differ Jan 03 18:26:44 i have installed plymouth and updated initrd using update-initramfs -u Jan 03 18:26:56 do i need to change boot commandline Jan 03 18:26:56 rootstock doesnt track what changes are in oem-config for example Jan 03 18:27:12 mem=512M console=ttyS2,115200n8 console=tty0 omapfb.mode=dvi:hd720-24@60 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rw rootwait is my commandline Jan 03 18:27:29 so if you use rootstock and set up a user from cmdline, your user setup might be different Jan 03 18:28:02 the way we build the image with rootstock isnt 100% identicaql to livecd-rootfs so fixes that go in there might not be in rootstock Jan 03 18:28:05 etc etc Jan 03 18:29:06 aksh1, add quiet and splash as keywords Jan 03 18:29:30 and make sure your boot setup uses the uInitrd indeed Jan 03 18:31:53 ogra, i am not sure uInitrd updated one is used while booting Jan 03 18:32:35 bcoz default initrd will get updated in /boot/ folder and beagleboard has other /boot partition Jan 03 18:33:47 any reason why you didnt use one of the official netbook images for the beagle ? Jan 03 18:33:57 you wouldnt have to fiddle with that now Jan 03 18:34:31 ogra, want to know how to create similar image Jan 03 18:36:48 well, the same things i wrote for janimo above apply to these images since they are built with rootstock ... they are "similar" but not identical Jan 03 18:37:14 ogra: I looked at the image and maximus is not running while in classic desktop. I have plenty of SD cards, so I will preserve this one for you to eval. Jan 03 18:37:16 things like the bootloader setup definitely differ heavily Jan 03 18:37:43 GrueMaster, weird, maximus isnt running but you dont get window borders either ? Jan 03 18:38:26 nope. Jan 03 18:38:43 sounds more like metacity being broken Jan 03 18:38:47 unless Jan 03 18:38:49 hmm Jan 03 18:39:13 i heard roumors that metacity would be dropped in favor of a 2D compiz Jan 03 18:39:23 not sure what the status on that is Jan 03 18:41:10 ogra: http://members.dsl-only.net/~tdavis/Screenshot.png Jan 03 18:47:15 Apparently, compiz is the registered WM currently running. Jan 03 18:47:48 aha Jan 03 18:47:58 so thats likely a 2D compiz bug then Jan 03 18:48:06 i think the code is very very young Jan 03 18:48:48 ogra, http://www.viewsonic.com/gtablet/spec.htm Jan 03 18:48:51 must be. There is no compiz-config utility installed. grrr, Jan 03 18:50:10 davidm, hmm, sounds like the folio you can buy here Jan 03 18:50:57 interesting Jan 03 18:51:02 ogra, after adding quiet splash it is giving kernel panic Jan 03 18:51:03 http://pastebin.com/6xyZksqq Jan 03 18:51:07 if its the same, it is overpriced, very bad android adaptions, very bad touchscreen Jan 03 18:51:37 I was emailed info on this: http://www.tangent-tycoon.com Jan 03 18:51:41 very bad android adaptations is kind of expected Jan 03 18:51:46 but not a bad touchscreen Jan 03 18:51:58 I asked if we could get some eval units to install a real OS, but no reply. Jan 03 18:52:22 GrueMaster: very very ugly hehe :-) Jan 03 18:52:29 ubuntu should be a lot better Jan 03 18:53:23 120GB HD. 2Gb ram. Just to run Win7 POS edition. Jan 03 18:53:32 ouch Jan 03 18:53:43 * rsalveti takes a break Jan 03 18:54:22 * ogra thinks the galaxy is the only serious ipad competitor atm Jan 03 18:54:43 1.87 lbs. I think my netbook is lighter. Jan 03 18:54:52 yeah Jan 03 18:55:07 mine surely is (700grams) Jan 03 18:55:10 :) Jan 03 18:56:27 Heh. To get the extended battery version, you have to buy it with Win7 Pro. Jan 03 18:56:44 $100 difference. Jan 03 18:57:02 $595 or $695. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 04 02:59:58 2011