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Jan 21 12:09:56 * ogra points at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/ and dances
Jan 21 12:16:21 <sveinse> Have anyone any experience with PulseAudio on any omap target (outside of X11)?
Jan 21 12:16:42 <sveinse> I'm having troubles starting it
Jan 21 12:44:54 <rsalveti> sveinse: well, we're using it for both beagle and panda
Jan 21 12:45:07 <sveinse> from X11 then?
Jan 21 12:45:09 <rsalveti> for panda you just need to update to latest kernel available at updates
Jan 21 12:45:19 <rsalveti> sveinse: the daemon is not started at x11
Jan 21 12:45:39 <sveinse> ok. when and how?
Jan 21 12:48:35 <rsalveti> hm, ok, it's configured and started per user session
Jan 21 12:48:44 <rsalveti> you have the init script but it's not used
Jan 21 12:48:50 <rsalveti> sveinse: how are you trying to load it
Jan 21 12:48:51 <rsalveti> ?
Jan 21 12:50:54 <sveinse> rsalveti: That my Q as well. I have no idea how I should do it, or how Ubuntu wants me to start it
Jan 21 12:51:26 <sveinse> rsalveti: But I do have problems manually (command line) start PA, because it stop at some ALSA enumeation which seems to be off
Jan 21 12:52:22 <rsalveti> which board?
Jan 21 12:53:19 <sveinse> Custom HW, based on OMAP3530 with custom 8ch audio chip. It's fully possible that our ALSA driver has bugs.
Jan 21 12:53:48 <sveinse> However cmdline ALSA playback works, while PA wont start
Jan 21 12:55:42 <sveinse> rsalveti: What happens if you run (as unprivileged user) pulseaudio --daemonize on any omap target you might have?
Jan 21 12:56:15 <sveinse> Because that is the recommended way to start PA as user according to the PA docs
Jan 21 12:56:56 <rsalveti> just a sec
Jan 21 12:59:28 <sveinse> rsalveti: You need to out of X11 I think
Jan 21 12:59:48 <rsalveti> yup, np
Jan 21 13:00:14 <sveinse> ok
Jan 21 13:01:51 <sveinse> What happens if you run:
Jan 21 13:01:54 <sveinse> strace -e trace=open -f -o strace.log pulseaudio
Jan 21 13:02:00 <sveinse> cat strace.log |grep /etc/pulse
Jan 21 13:02:11 <sveinse> 2391  open("/etc/pulse/daemon.conf", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
Jan 21 13:02:12 <sveinse> 2391  open("/etc/pulse/default.pa", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 8
Jan 21 13:02:46 <sveinse> It shouldn't read daemon.conf when running as unprivileged user.... It should read client.conf instead
Jan 21 13:06:50 * rsalveti booting his panda in text mode only
Jan 21 13:08:40 <rsalveti> sveinse: pulseaudio --daemonize works fine at panda
Jan 21 13:08:44 <rsalveti> at least it seems to be running
Jan 21 13:08:47 <sveinse> good
Jan 21 13:09:01 <sveinse> kill it and try the strace, if you please
Jan 21 13:09:07 <rsalveti> sure
Jan 21 13:10:03 <rsalveti> yup, also reading daemon.conf and default.pa
Jan 21 13:10:30 <sveinse> Hmm. That could be a bug -- or an intended feature
Jan 21 13:10:38 <rsalveti> probably a feature
Jan 21 13:11:04 <rsalveti> maybe it first try to load the system configuration, then load the user one
Jan 21 13:11:08 <rsalveti> as default
Jan 21 13:11:20 <sveinse> strange. conflicts with PA docs at least
Jan 21 13:11:28 <rsalveti> hm
Jan 21 13:12:10 <rsalveti> pulseaudio --dump-conf
Jan 21 13:12:18 <rsalveti> you'll see that it loads the daemon.conf
Jan 21 13:12:22 <sveinse> At least you helped me confirm that this is not only my system, so thanks!
Jan 21 13:12:57 <rsalveti> ~/.pulse/daemon.conf, /etc/pulse/daemon.conf: configuration settings for the PulseAudio daemon. If the version in the user's home directory does not exist the global configuration file is loaded. See pulse-daemon.conf(5) for
Jan 21 13:12:57 <rsalveti>        more information.
Jan 21 13:13:01 <rsalveti> from man page
Jan 21 13:14:03 <sveinse> yeah. Check out man pulse-client.conf   When is this loaded then? ;)
Jan 21 13:14:42 <sveinse> No point in the file if it doesn't load the config IMHO
Jan 21 13:15:24 <rsalveti> maybe just loaded by pulse clients
Jan 21 13:15:28 <rsalveti> and not the daemon itself
Jan 21 13:15:56 <sveinse> perhaps. at least it seems to be consistent with host (amd64) maverick behaviour
Jan 21 13:16:00 <rsalveti> yup, cames from libpulse0 package
Jan 21 13:17:21 <sveinse> At least I'm getting somewhere, so thanks rsalveti!
Jan 21 13:18:21 <sveinse> ..now to trace the real cause of pulseaudio refusal to start
Jan 21 13:20:24 <rsalveti> probably related with the audio config file for your board
Jan 21 13:20:37 <rsalveti> at least this was what was breaking for panda
Jan 21 13:21:09 <sveinse> I see PA reports wrong samplerate and channels when detecting the ALSA devices.
Jan 21 13:21:29 <sveinse> Perhaps there are some sample-info metadata missing from the driver
Jan 21 13:21:46 <rsalveti> could be too
Jan 21 13:22:17 <sveinse> do you know of a way to use any alsa tool to list the ALSA cards and their properties?
Jan 21 13:29:29 <rsalveti> I think there is something from alsa-utils
Jan 21 13:32:35 <sveinse> well you have alsactl, but it doesn't list things like #channels and other specs, just the sound card's name
Jan 21 13:33:25 <rsalveti> ogra: maybe you know that, as you configured the omap 4 board file
Jan 21 13:33:30 <rsalveti> probably dump the boards and the mixers
Jan 21 13:33:37 <rsalveti> I'm not remembering now
Jan 21 13:33:41 * ogra reads backlog
Jan 21 13:34:11 <rsalveti> ogra: just how to dump the alsa card configuration
Jan 21 13:34:21 <ogra> urghm i dont remember
Jan 21 13:34:35 <ogra> something with alsactl
Jan 21 13:35:28 <rsalveti> maybe you give alsactl store and then looked at the alsa.state file
Jan 21 13:35:32 <ogra> i think there is infor in the sounddevices omap4 bug
Jan 21 13:35:34 <rsalveti> sorry, asound.state
Jan 21 13:39:58 * sveinse searching LP
Jan 21 13:41:00 <sveinse> ogra: bug #637947 ?
Jan 21 13:41:03 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637947 in linux-ti-omap4 "no sound devices on current ES2.0 boards" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/637947
Jan 21 13:41:27 <ogra> sveinse, yeah, that should have several ways of getting alsa infos
Jan 21 13:44:48 <sveinse> thanks
Jan 21 13:45:20 <ogra> rsalveti, seen my comment above ? we have images :)
Jan 21 13:46:04 <rsalveti> ogra: nops, cool
Jan 21 13:46:41 <rsalveti> awesome, even for omap3
Jan 21 13:46:45 <ogra> yep
Jan 21 13:46:45 <rsalveti> ogra: just missing manifest for omap3
Jan 21 13:46:49 <ogra> yeah
Jan 21 13:46:55 * rsalveti downloading them
Jan 21 13:46:59 <ogra> shouldnt be different from omap4 though
Jan 21 13:47:07 <ogra> apart from kernel
Jan 21 13:48:39 <rsalveti> yup
Jan 21 13:48:43 <rsalveti> but will fire it up at my xm
Jan 21 13:53:25 <ogra> wow
Jan 21 13:53:45 <ogra> we should pull libreoffice back into our images ... 472M !!
Jan 21 13:53:53 <ogra> so much space !!!
Jan 21 13:57:54 <rsalveti> ouch
Jan 21 14:42:29 <guerby> rsalveti, some update on: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/690370
Jan 21 14:42:31 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 690370 in linux-ti-omap4 "Strange out of memory on pandaboard" [Undecided,New]
Jan 21 14:42:51 <guerby> rsalveti, I tried Robert Nelson kernel but without args I'm back to 512MB RAM
Jan 21 14:43:58 <guerby> rcn-ee, hi :) ^
Jan 21 14:44:23 <guerby> rcn-ee, could you provide me with your exact /proc/cmdline?
Jan 21 14:45:08 <guerby> rcn-ee, mine is now "text ro root=UUID=b5d2dfb1-270c-4966-abe6-dfe7a2a17efd console=ttyO2,115200n8" but when I boot I have only 490MB of RAM
Jan 21 14:54:15 <guerby> ok now I get a random MAC again at each boot
Jan 21 14:55:42 <vstehle-laptop> guerby: you can use smsc95xx.macaddr=xxx to specify your mac I think.
Jan 21 14:58:22 <guerby> vstehle-laptop, not with rcn-ee kernel (that's what I was using before but with newer kernel it prevents network for working at all...)
Jan 21 15:04:12 <rsalveti> vstehle: vstehle-laptop: call?
Jan 21 15:04:57 <rsalveti> guerby: I really think this is kind of related with the mem instability issues we have when using 1gb
Jan 21 15:05:15 <rsalveti> that cooloney was working last week
Jan 21 15:05:23 <rsalveti> was kind of waiting his results before testing this again
Jan 21 15:05:39 <rsalveti> we also posted on linux-omap to get more attention, but it seems nobody is actually looking at it
Jan 21 15:05:41 <rsalveti> even from ti
Jan 21 15:05:42 <rsalveti> :-(
Jan 21 15:05:43 <guerby> rsalveti, I rebooted with the mem= option and i see 768M again (on rcn-ee kernel)
Jan 21 15:06:04 <rsalveti> that's expected, if you're using 2g/2g then you can also use 1gb
Jan 21 15:06:11 <rsalveti> but will probably get unexpected results
Jan 21 15:06:14 <guerby> rsalveti, I'm relaunching my GCC bootstrap test we'll see what happens
Jan 21 15:08:11 <guerby> rsalveti, anyway do you know what option is now replacing the former smsc95xx.macaddr=xx ?
Jan 21 15:12:18 <rsalveti> guerby: hm, need to check what patch got upstream regarding that
Jan 21 15:28:07 <guerby> rsalveti, yep this is going to annoy lots of users :)
Jan 21 15:39:02 <rsalveti> guerby: yup, as rcn-ee pointed at his latest comment, it seems that the only patch that got applied upstream is the one that you can fix the mac by using /etc/network/interfaces
Jan 21 15:39:21 <rsalveti> I believe the one that you can set as a module parameter was just a sauce from ti
Jan 21 15:41:43 <rsalveti> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commit;h=10f38b455e75b85f72e98786e5518cf7b0324634
Jan 21 15:41:49 <rsalveti> this is the one that adds it
Jan 21 15:43:11 * rsalveti is still trying to pull linux-2.6 upstream
Jan 21 15:46:15 <hrw> 1GB on panda... my dream
Jan 21 15:47:01 <rsalveti> 1gb and es 2.2
Jan 21 15:48:05 <hrw> I have es2.0
Jan 21 15:51:44 <guerby> rsalveti, new kernel freezes way faster ...
Jan 21 15:52:06 <rsalveti> =\
Jan 21 15:53:16 <guerby> rsalveti, I wonder what rcn-ee does to avoid those
Jan 21 15:53:54 <rsalveti> maybe because it's not the same env
Jan 21 15:54:11 <rsalveti> but I was able to get freezes like this with my both pandas
Jan 21 15:54:18 <rsalveti> just compiling big packages
Jan 21 15:55:15 <guerby> rsalveti, ah great! I'm not alone in the world :)
Jan 21 15:55:23 <hrw> [95346.261871] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: usb0: kevent 2 may have been dropped
Jan 21 15:55:29 <hrw> I hate that message
Jan 21 15:55:29 <rsalveti> yeah, usual
Jan 21 15:55:40 <hrw> on EA1 and A1 it is death message ;(
Jan 21 15:55:43 <rsalveti> both xm and panda, as they are using the same driver
Jan 21 15:56:10 <hrw> rsalveti: never had xm
Jan 21 15:56:41 <hrw> I have bb: b7/c3/c3 and panda: ea1 (one of 10 which have es2.0 but gpios set as for es2.1)
Jan 21 16:00:14 <vstehle-laptop> hrw: maybe jayabharath can help you get your ea1 panda reworked ?
Jan 21 16:00:44 <hrw> vstehle-laptop: this panda is fine
Jan 21 16:05:13 <hrw> A1/ES2.1 has faster memory bus then EA1/ES2.0 one. but still <12MB/s from usbhdd
Jan 21 16:05:43 <hrw> TI: please fix your drivers
Jan 21 16:08:12 <rsalveti> :-)
Jan 21 16:09:14 <hrw> with omap3 musb-hcd was hmm... quality. omap4 shows that usb host controllers are still not strong in TI
Jan 21 16:09:48 <hrw> someone knows good memspeed test?
Jan 21 16:17:08 <sebjan> rsalveti, guerby: the patch for the smsc95xx.macaddr parameter has been integrated into the natty kernel for omap4
Jan 21 16:17:27 <rsalveti> sebjan: yup, but he's currently trying upstream
Jan 21 16:35:42 <guerby> sebjan, ok thx
Jan 21 16:36:33 <hrw> have a nice weekend
Jan 21 18:35:59 <Homefix1> I have no hair left: I created ubuntu ubuntuArm image using rootstock for use on my mobile phone.Here is my tutorial http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098  I hade trouble with the terminal (no prompt) I know it has something to do with this "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)" message when installing applications from the android
Jan 21 18:35:59 <Homefix1> terminal were i start the chroot. Last week i asked the very same question. someone replied i have to MAKEDEV. I think that did it, i got my prompt back.( i have no ideea what i did,just used all the commands i could use etcstd,generic,update conlole etc. the problem is i cannot reproduce those results again. Every image i create i get no prompt.
Jan 21 18:36:55 <Homefix1> Does the kernel i use upon first emulation with qemu have any thing to do with setting up dev/pts?
Jan 21 18:37:29 <rbelem> Homefix1, mount -o bind /dev/ /chroot/mount/point/dev
Jan 21 18:37:43 <rbelem> Homefix1, and inside chroot mount /dev/pts
Jan 21 18:37:48 <Homefix1> how could i narrow down this "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)" because terminal wont work if system cannot write to dev/pts
Jan 21 18:44:41 <rsalveti> ogra: GrueMaster: it seems the omap 3 image is basically the rootfs
Jan 21 18:44:54 <rsalveti> there are no other partition, like the one used to boot it
Jan 21 18:45:04 <GrueMaster> It built?  I had an email saying it failed.
Jan 21 18:45:15 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: ogra said in the irc that we had one for today
Jan 21 18:45:25 <rsalveti> also on the release status
Jan 21 18:45:40 <GrueMaster> Hadn't read all the backscroll yet.  My bad.
Jan 21 18:45:41 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: happy testing :-)
Jan 21 18:46:39 <GrueMaster> grumble.
Jan 21 18:46:41 <Homefix1> rbelen: thnks try it
Jan 21 18:47:57 <rsalveti> and I believe omap 4 needs the new x-loader
Jan 21 18:48:31 <rsalveti> well, it's still working, but probably with wrong clocks and etc
Jan 21 18:49:00 <Homefix1> rbelen wen i try mount /dev/pts i get "none already mounted or /dev/pts busy mount: according to fstab,none is already mounted"
Jan 21 18:50:50 <Homefix1> i wish some one had a minut to download my image and take a look for themselves http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SJY6ZB58
Jan 21 18:51:38 <rsalveti> urgh, trying to access beyond the device
Jan 21 18:52:27 <rsalveti> and one error inside jasper_growroot
Jan 21 18:52:38 <rsalveti> line 57: /dev/mmcbl0p: bad variable name
Jan 21 18:53:01 <rsalveti> hehe, both probably broken
Jan 21 18:53:10 <Homefix1> I use the same chroot scripts for both images (one that works and the million that dont). the prob has to  be in the image
Jan 21 18:53:10 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: can you also try and confirm for me?
Jan 21 18:53:25 <rsalveti> just to be sure, as my sd card reader seems to be giving some unexpected results
Jan 21 18:53:56 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Downloading images now.  Will take ~20 minutes.
Jan 21 18:54:30 <rsalveti> cool, that's fine
Jan 21 18:55:00 <rsalveti> if you just give file to the omap3 image you'll probably get only an ext3 fs
Jan 21 19:01:34 <Homefix1> rbelem: out of the 5 scripts (bootubuntu,fsrw,mountonly,ubuntu.sh,unionfs) here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098 (all the scripts are opened for viewing here).Where would i place "mount -o bind /dev/ /chroot/mount/point/dev in those scripts? and thanks (and by the way my images are karmic)
Jan 21 19:06:32 <rbelem> checking
Jan 21 19:09:08 <rbelem> Homefix1, in bootubuntu before mount -t devpts devpts $mnt/dev/pts
Jan 21 19:10:00 <Homefix1> try it you the ....person
Jan 21 19:16:22 <sveinse> I'm running rootstock a lot, and I'm considering putting together my own local apt cache/mirror. Now, what's the easiest way to get hold of the debs rootstock is downloading?
Jan 21 19:19:38 <rbelem> sveinse, using approx
Jan 21 19:20:30 <GrueMaster> sveinse: I have my own mirror, and I fount that using a combination of ubumirror and apt-mirror works best for me.  apt-mirror allows me to specify the specific arch & release, and I can fine tune ubumirror to pick up the .udeb files and other bits.
Jan 21 19:23:10 <sveinse> GrueMaster: Do you mirror all of armel, or have you picked out specific packages?
Jan 21 19:23:16 <Homefix1> rbelem: no change, I have one working without the modifications to the script. I cannot reproduce the same conditions to create another, try number of times with rootstock, and with the project rootstock script, no sucsess. the image that i got to work last week i think was fixed using MAKEDEV upon ogra's request. But cant make it happen again what am i doing wrong.IT WORKED ONCE ARGGGGGGG.Im
Jan 21 19:23:17 <Homefix1> so frustrated but i love it haha.
Jan 21 19:23:57 <rbelem> :-)
Jan 21 19:24:39 <GrueMaster> sveinse: I mirror all of armel, but only back to Lucid.  Here is the apt-mirror config.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/556629/
Jan 21 19:24:40 <rbelem> Homefix1, in general i use the mount -o bind ... and it works fine
Jan 21 19:25:11 <GrueMaster> sveinse: Here is my ubumirror.conf.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/556631/
Jan 21 19:25:51 <sveinse> GrueMaster: Thanks. What the size of one version (e.g. Maverick) for armel?
Jan 21 19:27:02 <GrueMaster> Well, it is a mirror, so every version is in the same location.  My entire mirror is 267G, but that is everything from lucid forward, including source files, .udeb files, and netboot images.
Jan 21 19:27:41 <GrueMaster> Not sure how much just maverick would be, but I'd expect it to be ~1/3 of this.
Jan 21 19:28:16 <sveinse> ok, this would be too large for me at this point
Jan 21 19:28:29 <Homefix1> rbelem:cant figure out were to go next to see why one image sees /dev/pts and the other doesnt.
Jan 21 19:28:56 * sveinse is wondering if apt-mirror and/or ubumirror can be configured for specific packages only... RTFM
Jan 21 19:29:19 <GrueMaster> Like I said, I get everything.  Main, Universe, Multiverse, Restricted, Updates, Proposed, Backports.  Everything.
Jan 21 19:29:31 <sveinse> Oh, yes, true
Jan 21 19:29:43 <GrueMaster> I think a mirror of Maverick Main w/o source would be around 20-30M
Jan 21 19:29:51 <GrueMaster> I mean G
Jan 21 19:30:10 <StevenK> For one arch + all, yes.
Jan 21 19:31:09 <Homefix1> rbelem: whats funny is on the noprompt image i cannot create folders on the desktop either
Jan 21 19:31:55 <Homefix1> or any other image i make except the one i was lucky enough to make thank god i have that.
Jan 21 19:33:24 <Homefix1> rbelem : .....to fiddle with, after all why would you want ubuntu on your phone anyway. just kidding in my mind who wouldnt
Jan 21 19:35:09 <rbelem> Homefix1, i really want it on my phone
Jan 21 19:36:40 <rbelem> Homefix1, imagine an android ui on top of an ubuntu base :-)
Jan 21 19:37:01 <Homefix1> Ha Haaaa
Jan 21 19:37:27 <rbelem> Homefix1, soon we will have plasma-mobile
Jan 21 19:37:55 <rbelem> currently it is technology preview
Jan 21 19:38:50 <Homefix1> rbelem: just need bigger screen
Jan 21 19:39:33 <Homefix1> rbelem dont no how wife sees here little palm pixi screen
Jan 21 19:40:20 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: omap image is single partition only.  Bah.
Jan 21 19:40:35 <GrueMaster> can't test it anyway.  ENOHW
Jan 21 19:41:02 <GrueMaster> panda image looks promising.  Flashing now.
Jan 21 19:44:47 <GrueMaster> Brrr.  65f/18c in my office.  Man, I sometimes miss testing on x86/amd64 systems.  5 arm platforms don't generate enough heat.
Jan 21 19:53:28 <Homefix1> rbelem my working image: has 0 and 1 in the dev/pts folder non working image has only a 0, how can i get the 1 in there ?
Jan 21 19:56:03 <rbelem> Homefix1, brb
Jan 21 20:01:59 <Homefix1> rbelem: k
Jan 21 20:21:30 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: haha
Jan 21 20:31:05 <rbelem> Homefix1, umount the current /dev/pts
Jan 21 20:31:18 <rbelem> Homefix1, go out of chroot
Jan 21 20:31:40 <rbelem> Homefix1, mount -o bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev
Jan 21 20:31:49 <rbelem> Homefix1, chroot again
Jan 21 20:31:56 <rbelem> Homefix1, mount /dev/pts
Jan 21 20:31:57 * rsalveti eow, have a nice weekend
Jan 21 20:31:57 <Homefix1> hold on.....
Jan 21 20:32:05 <Homefix1> gotta change imiges takes a sec
Jan 21 20:32:11 <rbelem> Homefix1, check if it works
Jan 21 20:32:44 <GrueMaster> omap4 image resize is failing on one of my 16G drives. Hmmm.
Jan 21 20:33:20 <Homefix1> rbelem: manual unmount or take referance out of bootubuntu?
Jan 21 20:33:45 <rbelem> Homefix1, go manual to see if it works
Jan 21 20:33:51 <Homefix1> k
Jan 21 20:34:29 <GrueMaster> ogra: jasper_growroot: export:  Line 57: /dev/mmcblkop: bad variable name
Jan 21 20:35:13 <rsalveti> yup, same as mine
Jan 21 20:37:52 <Homefix1> rbel: sorry for being a noooob upon "unmount /dev/pts" i get bash: unmount command not found
Jan 21 20:48:19 <Homefix1> rbel sorry its umount
Jan 21 20:59:12 <Homefix1> rbel im a knukle i dont know path to chroot is it in my scripts at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098
Jan 21 21:10:47 <Homefix1> rbel could ya still help me im not a lost cause: i think it may work if i can figure out mount point and path to chroot how do i find out the location it must be in the scripts no?
Jan 21 21:16:15 <Homefix1> Could this be the path to chroot "/data/local/ubuntu" ?
Jan 21 21:55:50 <Homefix1> coul any one look at these: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10584098#post10584098" and tell me path to chroot? thnx
Jan 21 23:05:44 <sveinse> Any of you happen to know an easy way of downloading the armel debs and its dependencies for, say, ubuntu-minimal -- preferably downloaded from host (i.e. non armel machine)
Jan 21 23:08:28 <sveinse> one way I can think of is --copy-package-cache in rootstock, but I'd hoped it could be done more, uhm, natively
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Jan 22 07:11:27 <spherical_percep> Good evening - I would like to install lucid onto a beagleboard xM, and I was looking at the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall - however there is a comment there that says "This method will not work on a BeagleXM, as that platform requires x-loader & uboot support not available in Lucid."  So: any suggestions as to where to look for instructions pertinent to xM?
Jan 22 11:15:01 <evaluate> hello
Jan 22 11:16:44 <evaluate> I was wondering if anyone tried to get some compiled binaries from ubuntu-arm to android? I would like to get bash and a couple of other utilities on my android phone, and if I could avoid compiling them and could just copy them from the deb packages, that would be awesome, anyone else tried this?
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Jan 22 11:28:39 <sveinse> Are there any particular reason for rootstock to fetch pkgs from the release dist only and not from security or updates?
Jan 22 12:16:32 <aksh1> what shud be the uboot parameter to boot kernel from usb
Jan 22 12:16:33 <aksh1> ?>
Jan 22 12:56:48 <lool> aksh1: You mean load your kernel from USB?
Jan 22 12:56:51 <lool> or rootfs on USB?
Jan 22 13:10:13 <aksh1> lool, i have ubbot n xloader in flash
Jan 22 13:10:22 <aksh1> and kernel and rootfs in usb
Jan 22 13:10:55 <aksh1> using minicom i got uboot prompt
Jan 22 13:11:15 <aksh1> noe want to know the parameter of uboot to boot from usb
Jan 22 13:12:48 <lool> aksh1: u-boot rarely supports USB
Jan 22 13:12:59 <lool> aksh1: It does on some boards, but it's relatively rare
Jan 22 13:13:08 <lool> aksh1: It's best to have your kernel in flash or mmc
Jan 22 13:13:52 <aksh1> lool, as per my info we can keep kernel and rootfs in usb
Jan 22 13:13:59 <aksh1> it has support
Jan 22 13:16:47 <aksh1> lool, chromium os run using that way only
Jan 22 13:37:25 <ksinkar> hello people
Jan 22 13:37:41 <ksinkar> i used rootstock to make an arm image of ubuntu with username ubuntu and password root
Jan 22 13:37:51 <ksinkar> i want to start the xserver using xstart
Jan 22 13:41:04 <aksh1> using startx
Jan 22 13:41:25 <ksinkar> i am not able to do that since i am not root and i cant do sudo startx since the user 'ubuntu' is not in the sudoers list
Jan 22 13:41:27 <ksinkar> what do i do?
Jan 22 13:42:10 <aksh1> ksinkar, using chroot you need to change password for root
Jan 22 13:42:18 <aksh1> and then login as root
Jan 22 13:42:23 <aksh1> run startx
Jan 22 13:44:48 <ogra> fix sudores instead
Jan 22 13:45:05 <ksinkar> ogra: how can i fix sudoers?
Jan 22 13:45:13 <ogra> but you shouldnt use startx as root anyway
Jan 22 13:45:24 <ogra> did you try as user ?
Jan 22 13:45:27 <ksinkar> ogra: yes
Jan 22 13:45:28 <ogra> it should just work
Jan 22 13:45:38 <ogra> whats the error if you try as user
Jan 22 13:46:06 <ksinkar> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
Jan 22 13:46:35 <ogra> thats weird
Jan 22 13:48:00 <sveinse> ogra: Are there any particular reason for rootstock to fetch pkgs from the release dist only and not from security or updates as well?
Jan 22 13:49:05 <ogra> sveinse, iirc there is a --extra-mirrors arg you can use to add these
Jan 22 13:49:26 <ogra> but no, apart from the fact that nobody cared to implement that as a default
Jan 22 13:49:53 <sveinse> orga: Yes, there are. I'm just curious why not install the initial system from updates/security in the first place
Jan 22 13:49:55 <ogra> ksinkar, is that the only line of outout ?
Jan 22 13:50:03 <ogra> *output
Jan 22 13:50:08 <ogra> there should be more
Jan 22 13:50:14 <ksinkar> ogra: yes
Jan 22 13:50:41 <ogra> sveinse, rootstock is in maintenance mode, nobody does actual development anymore on it, patches accepted ;)
Jan 22 13:51:09 <ksinkar> ogra: after that i kind of hangs and i press Ctrl + C
Jan 22 13:51:25 <ksinkar> X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting.
Jan 22 13:51:27 <ksinkar> giving up.
Jan 22 13:51:28 <ksinkar> xinit:  No such file or directory (errno 2):  unable to connect to X server
Jan 22 13:51:30 <ksinkar> xinit:  No such process (errno 3):  Server error.
Jan 22 13:51:33 <ksinkar> ogra: full output
Jan 22 13:52:03 <ogra> err
Jan 22 13:52:14 <ogra> but you have xinit installed, right ?
Jan 22 13:52:15 <ksinkar> this is the output at startup
Jan 22 13:52:17 <ksinkar> [fail] * Starting GNOME Display Manager...
Jan 22 13:52:31 <ksinkar> ogra: i actually want to start my GNOME display manager
Jan 22 13:53:04 <ogra> did you check why it doesnt start ?
Jan 22 13:53:33 <sveinse> ogra, that interesting... We're basing our product on rootstock to build the root file system...
Jan 22 13:53:52 <ogra> sveinse, well, feel free to send patches :)
Jan 22 13:54:36 <sveinse> ogra, sure, np. Out of interest: how do you guys install the system if you are not using rootstock?
Jan 22 13:54:47 <ogra> we use the preinstalled images
Jan 22 13:55:14 <ogra> but that indeed only works for supported arches
Jan 22 13:55:31 <ogra> though they are easy to modify for other stuff
Jan 22 13:55:44 <sveinse> and for particular HW boards, right?
Jan 22 13:55:52 <ogra> yes
Jan 22 13:56:01 <sveinse> Our board is custom, and thus requires custom bootloader and kernel
Jan 22 13:56:02 <ogra> but as i said, easy to modify
Jan 22 13:59:18 <ogra> zcart the omap3 image to an SD, mount it, chroot into it, remove the omap3 kernel, add what you need, exit chroot, tar up (using --numeric-owner for tar) the content of the second part
Jan 22 13:59:28 <ogra> *zcat
Jan 22 14:00:05 <ogra> thats for example how i create the images for a tegra2 based ac100 netbook here
Jan 22 14:00:43 <sveinse> What's the "base" package for these images? ubuntu-netbook or something?
Jan 22 14:00:48 <ogra> yep
Jan 22 14:01:10 <ogra> but once chrooted you can cheange it to anything you like indeed
Jan 22 14:02:28 <sveinse> Yes, chroot and binfmt i great
Jan 22 14:02:35 <sveinse> s/i/is/
Jan 22 14:03:03 <ksinkar> ogra: that is what i am trying to find out
Jan 22 14:03:33 <ogra> we should probably think about a graphical modification kit some day ... i.e. something that chroots automatically, fires up synaptic inside the chroot and tars up automatically
Jan 22 14:04:06 <ogra> ksinkar, well, i would start checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log
Jan 22 14:04:57 <sveinse> ogra, I made something similar. Not graphical, but a bash script which can execute any command inside a chrooted rootfs.
Jan 22 14:05:10 <aksh1> ksinkar, which ubuntu version u r using ?
Jan 22 14:05:19 <sveinse> I use it to run apt-get for the target
Jan 22 14:05:56 <ksinkar> aksh1: jaunty
Jan 22 14:05:59 <ogra> ugh
Jan 22 14:06:05 <ogra> thats unsupported
Jan 22 14:06:18 <ogra> use something more recent, jaunty is EOL
Jan 22 14:06:27 <aksh1> ksinkar, what is rootstock command u used?
Jan 22 14:06:40 <aksh1> it should work
Jan 22 14:09:23 <ksinkar> sudo rootstock --fqdn OMAPL138 --login ubuntu --password root --imagesize 2G --dist jaunty --serial ttyS2 --seed xfce4,gdm
Jan 22 14:11:18 <ksinkar> i get this output while ubuntu starting up:
Jan 22 14:11:20 <ksinkar> EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
Jan 22 14:11:26 <ksinkar> should this have any effect
Jan 22 14:13:50 <ogra> no
Jan 22 14:14:24 <ogra> did you check the log above ?
Jan 22 14:33:42 <ksinkar> ogra: the log that u specified does not exist
Jan 22 14:33:58 <ksinkar> and i am currently running in init 2 according to the runlevel command
Jan 22 14:34:22 <ksinkar> there is a directory for gdm error logs but it is empty
Jan 22 14:34:51 <ogra> very strange
Jan 22 14:35:40 <ksinkar> is there any way to send any graphics to the screen
Jan 22 14:47:13 <ksinkar> visudo is not allowing me to edit the sudoers file
Jan 22 15:58:39 <GrueMaster> ogra: I filed a bug against jasper_initramfs and uploaded a patch to fix it yesterday.  It won't run in it's current released state.
Jan 22 16:41:06 <ogra> GrueMaster, yeah, sorry, i only saw the bug after i uploaded the fix
Jan 22 16:41:25 <GrueMaster> heh.
Jan 22 16:41:53 <ogra> i saw your irc ping before looking at bugmail
Jan 22 16:46:19 <rsalveti> ogra: is your fix included already at today's image?
Jan 22 16:46:27 <rsalveti> ogra: then we need to check what's happening with the omap 3 one
Jan 22 16:46:33 <rsalveti> that's only building the fs
Jan 22 17:17:10 <GrueMaster> Interesting.  Since I couldn't make it far with yesterday's image until I fixed jasper_growroot, I only now tried logging into a fresh image.  It just complained that there are no valid sessions available.  Did UNE-EFL get dropped off?
Jan 22 17:18:45 <rsalveti> not that I know
Jan 22 17:31:11 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: I see you updated the unity-2d-launcher crash bug with maverick results.  I was just getting ready to do that.  As soon as we can pinpoint the bug, I'll reassign the bug to the proper QT library (as I am sure that is where the problem is).
Jan 22 17:56:02 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: sure, hopefully we'll get a new valid omap 4 image soon, then we can easily reproduce with it
Jan 22 17:56:06 <rsalveti> I only have an older natty
Jan 22 17:56:14 <rsalveti> need to update, and takes quite a while
Jan 22 17:56:25 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: did you check if the resize and install worked fine after the jasper fix?
Jan 22 17:56:38 <GrueMaster> I take it today's image is still borked?  I'm just now downloading it.
Jan 22 17:56:56 <rsalveti> don't know yet, didn't test
Jan 22 17:57:03 <rsalveti> not with my panda today
Jan 22 17:57:18 <GrueMaster> Actually, I will be OOO here soon.  Need to work on home remodel project and go shopping with the wife & kid (NCommander).
Jan 22 17:57:54 <rsalveti> heheh
Jan 22 17:58:21 <rsalveti> also going off now, girlfriend's birthday
Jan 22 17:58:24 * rsalveti bbl
Jan 22 17:58:31 <GrueMaster> Yesterday was the first of two really large bonus checks for my wife.  Gots to spend it.
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