**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 22 02:59:58 2011 Feb 22 10:45:24 ndec, have you seen natty-changes ? alsa is uploaded Feb 22 10:47:22 ogra: ok. thx Feb 22 10:48:06 * XorA pukes on Unity Feb 22 10:48:57 XorA: Careful: when we disagree we try to do so with respect. apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop if you prefer. Feb 22 10:49:21 persia: its quite literal, it gives me sea sickness :-) Feb 22 10:49:39 persia: probably an effect of only having intel graphics so everything lags Feb 22 10:49:52 ?? Feb 22 10:50:05 its rteally fast on recent intel chipsets Feb 22 10:50:12 eee 901 isnt recent Feb 22 10:50:32 well, there is at least a 945 or some such in it, no? Feb 22 10:50:48 i know there are issues with the 8xx series Feb 22 10:50:51 yeah Feb 22 10:51:00 because intel dropped driver maintenance Feb 22 10:52:10 I do really like the theme improvement in natty for gnome desktop though Feb 22 10:53:33 the stort of linux 3d.. either too new hw with drivers existing only some experimantal git branch or old hw with maintainance already dropped :P Feb 22 10:54:11 since we lost being the 64bit test platform for UT codebase there is no money in linux 3d anymore :-( Feb 22 11:02:46 ogra: 8xx do not have intel driver anymore in ubuntu Feb 22 11:03:09 hrw: how goes? Feb 22 11:03:22 XorA: they killed it in intel x11 driver Feb 22 11:03:37 I have a laptop with 855 at home and only fbdev works on it Feb 22 11:03:45 hrw, really ? I thought there is still one in universe Feb 22 11:03:57 but who cares about intel anyway ... Feb 22 11:04:01 arm is the future Feb 22 11:04:02 855 was pita anyway Feb 22 11:04:03 :) Feb 22 11:04:23 ogra: there are rumours that there will be laptops which can replace my ul30a in 2014 ;D Feb 22 11:04:23 we just need 8 core arms, 7 cores to run mesa and one for desktop :-) Feb 22 11:04:47 yeah, that saves all the 3d headdache Feb 22 11:04:53 just do it all in SW Feb 22 11:05:07 ogra: you do it already on your ac100 ;D Feb 22 11:05:17 heh, indeed Feb 22 11:05:27 metacity composite is really impressive here Feb 22 11:05:37 even in pure framebuffer Feb 22 11:06:34 few of my arm devices have screens :-) Feb 22 11:07:30 from arm devices which are around my desk only one does not have a screen option Feb 22 11:11:07 ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarcinJuszkiewicz/DeveloperApplicationForUniverseContributor Feb 22 11:11:41 * ogra opens Feb 22 11:13:26 hrw: No video out, no USB, no expansion connector? Feb 22 11:13:56 persia: sheevaplug has usb but I do not have usb2vga dongles Feb 22 11:14:08 and do not plan to have such ones Feb 22 11:15:30 I claim it has a "screen option", and you choose not to exercise it :) Feb 22 11:16:47 note I said no screen, not the lack of option for one :-) Feb 22 15:41:04 GRRRR ! Feb 22 15:41:10 * ogra hates symbols files Feb 22 15:42:07 * prpplague pokes ogra in the eye with a sharp stick Feb 22 15:42:18 *sniff* Feb 22 15:42:19 ogra: don't speak ill of symbol files Feb 22 15:42:29 ogra: they are your frienemy Feb 22 15:42:36 heh Feb 22 15:42:55 they are fine if you generate them with the same toolchain you try to build under Feb 22 15:43:07 sadly i didnt do that with my last upload Feb 22 15:43:25 so i have to start over again and redo half a day of work Feb 22 15:43:29 ogra: doh Feb 22 15:43:38 * prpplague needs coffee, brb Feb 22 15:50:33 * prpplague returns like a bad case of athletes foot Feb 22 17:58:02 prpplague, panda daughter cards just got urgent, the Panda boards shipped from DIgikey, all of them Feb 22 18:00:01 \o/ Feb 22 18:02:09 prpplague, what is the thread size of the metal standoffs you use? I ordered the wrong size for my test, I had to drill out the holes but it did not matter for the test rack Feb 22 18:33:29 davidm: they pandaboards currently use 4/40 threads Feb 22 18:33:54 prpplague, thanks, I'll order up a proper supply today Feb 22 18:37:52 prpplague, the recommended power supply is 5VDC 4A, do you know how much of that is spare? Feb 22 18:39:41 davidm: 2A would be if you weren't using any usb devices Feb 22 18:40:02 davidm: talk to ctyler, he's been testing running multiple pandas from a single power supply Feb 22 18:42:39 davidm: 2 usb ports = 1A extra if they are used Feb 22 18:45:27 hrw: 4 ports on the panda so, 2A extra Feb 22 19:03:50 prpplague, thanks, I'm just seeing what powersupply to order today Feb 22 19:04:20 Since we are planning on USB disk I'll make sure to allow the extra then Feb 22 19:06:46 davidm_: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4558896&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#productresources Feb 22 19:06:54 davidm_: thats what ctyler is using Feb 22 19:10:09 Woot Panda boards just arrived YEA!!!! Feb 22 19:10:59 Cool. Feb 22 19:11:57 prpplague, thanks, that supply won't work for me but it's good to know a combined supply works I'm going to order an 80A 5VDC with a 12A 12VDC supply Feb 22 19:12:44 davidm_: dandy Feb 22 19:13:58 The 12V is for the relay controls, the relays run on 12V I'm going to wire it for NC applys power to Panda, NO applys power to latch on daughter card Feb 22 19:15:13 davidm_: which relays are 12V? Feb 22 19:16:10 The serial control relays the ones that give us remote control over the panda boards Feb 22 19:16:18 not the one you are using for the latch Feb 22 19:17:16 I am going to use a rack of 24 relays, only 20 wired that we can connect to via serial control to activate and deactivate the panda boards Feb 22 19:17:27 think of it as a remote reset on power Feb 22 19:17:47 Since I'm using a single power supply and not 20 power supplys Feb 22 19:18:17 davidm_: ahh Feb 22 19:18:25 hey all Feb 22 19:19:14 I'm going ot have to be quite careful of the power supply, you can weld at 80 apms of power Feb 22 19:19:30 s/apms/amps/ Feb 22 19:20:19 I'm starting to think that I might want to use some fuses inline with all that power Feb 22 19:21:52 heh, reminds me of the custom powersupplies we had at Intel. 3.3v 320 amp, 5v 200 amp. And they had two lugs for the wiring harness to bolt on to, about 2 inches apart. Feb 22 19:25:22 davidm_: awesome Feb 22 19:28:27 Hello, I'd like to ask how it'd be possible to prepare fs for ubuntu arm with androidal init.rc? Anybody know how to write sth like that? (sorry for poor English) Feb 22 19:29:15 I have already img of ubuntu Feb 22 19:32:03 LajonSZ: android's init.rc system is pretty much completely different and incompatible w/ upstart Feb 22 19:34:52 So, it is not possible? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 02:59:56 2011