**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 28 02:59:57 2011 Feb 28 04:41:05 the one I use with the tab is still an android butchered kern Feb 28 04:41:13 but too much is broke Feb 28 04:41:25 and I have to start rolling back some of the android patches Feb 28 04:41:35 which is proving rather troublesome Feb 28 04:51:23 it all depends on the quality of the changes Feb 28 04:51:50 if it's not breaking stuff at least, you can still use a config compatible with ubuntu Feb 28 04:51:59 with the needed modules and stuff Feb 28 09:50:20 hrm Feb 28 09:50:38 no images :( Feb 28 09:51:15 bug 721118 Feb 28 09:51:17 Launchpad bug 721118 in unity "Unity FTBFS on armel due to Nux" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/721118 Feb 28 10:04:43 morning Feb 28 10:46:44 hello Feb 28 10:47:04 I'm using the natty version on BeagleBoard xM and it's slow Feb 28 10:47:15 is the proc frequency 600 MHz only ? Feb 28 10:47:55 second, looks like there is no 3D acceleration. Is there something possible, or .. Feb 28 10:47:58 thanks in advance :) Feb 28 10:52:43 i think there is some cmdline option you can set to make it operate on full speed Feb 28 10:54:13 ogra: I believed cpufreq-selector could help, but the frequency management is not handled (if I searched correctly) Feb 28 10:54:16 and the sgx drivers should be in multiverse somewhere Feb 28 10:54:30 ogra: ah, thanks. was the name missing me Feb 28 10:54:32 sgx Feb 28 11:03:39 I think you do mpurate= to get itr faster Feb 28 11:03:51 XorA_: at boot time ? Feb 28 11:04:00 ericb2: yes Feb 28 11:04:13 XorA_: ok. and what number are possibles ? Feb 28 11:04:33 numbers Feb 28 11:04:35 i think it takes MHz values Feb 28 11:04:48 so 1000 should get you a GHz Feb 28 11:04:50 ok, I'll try 800 then Feb 28 11:05:07 800 certainly safe if thats the right arg, Im working from memory Feb 28 11:05:24 * XorA_ only got an XM yesterday Feb 28 11:05:28 * ogra imagines 1000 should work too, buut 800 is surely safer Feb 28 11:05:29 ok. anyway, we'll see Feb 28 11:06:20 is there a key to hit at boot ? Feb 28 11:06:44 I think koen was running XM happilly at 1.2Ghz Feb 28 11:06:48 no, you edit /boot/boot.script and run sudo flash-kernel Feb 28 11:06:59 on the running system Feb 28 11:07:24 that will change your boot args Feb 28 11:08:23 ogra: thanks Feb 28 11:08:45 * XorA_ shall Natty his XM tonight Feb 28 11:08:50 heh Feb 28 11:09:32 i think we shopuld probably set mpurate at image buildtime Feb 28 11:10:14 ogra, ping Feb 28 11:10:22 the prob is that these images also run on B and C series beagles and we cant really determine if we are on a XM Feb 28 11:10:40 janimo, yo Feb 28 11:10:52 the cpufreq patches should be mainstream now, and they know what type of omap you have Feb 28 11:11:24 janimo, in bug 724615 there is a "fix committed" set, could you please link the branch in the future ? (desktop team asked) Feb 28 11:11:25 Launchpad bug 724615 in unity "unity FTBFS on armel" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724615 Feb 28 11:11:37 but last I saw there were some bugs in cpufreq framework preventing going to full speed as it assume unique voltages for each frequency Feb 28 11:11:46 that way its easier to find what the patch was :) Feb 28 11:11:52 XorA_ I got an xM rev 1 if I'm not wrong Feb 28 11:13:12 dont know which rev I got Feb 28 11:13:22 no sticker ? Feb 28 11:13:34 ogra: its at home, my eyesight not that good Feb 28 11:13:44 train it ! Feb 28 11:13:49 someone sold it to me cheap over the weekend Feb 28 11:14:15 * XorA_ never persuaded TI to part with any :-D Feb 28 11:15:34 shit I tried to install libgl1-sgx-omap3 libgles2-sgx-omap3 and it fails. Feb 28 11:15:52 the reason is : FATAL: module omaplfb not found Feb 28 11:16:31 you need the powervr package first i think Feb 28 11:16:54 powervr-omap3-dkms Feb 28 11:17:04 * ericb2 tries Feb 28 11:17:48 it is already installed Feb 28 11:18:36 Building ... Feb 28 11:18:42 is it done compiling already ? Feb 28 11:18:44 aha Feb 28 11:19:07 Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.38-1-omap (armel) Feb 28 11:19:18 I'll consult the make.log Feb 28 11:19:43 is that your own kernel ? Feb 28 11:19:53 ogra: no it isn't Feb 28 11:20:13 error : unknown fiels 'ioctl' specified in initializer Feb 28 11:20:15 hmm, strange Feb 28 11:20:27 s/fiels/field/ Feb 28 11:20:49 there might be a ppa where rsalveti provides an update package, wait until he is around Feb 28 11:21:16 in build/services4/3rdparty/bufferclass_ti/bc_cat.c Feb 28 11:21:18 though i'm not sure he rolled a new one for omap3 ... i know there is one for omap4 somewhere Feb 28 11:21:32 ogra, there was no branch I committed to trunk Feb 28 11:22:06 there's a ton of ubnity email since I am on the team, so I would not be surprised commit messages to be overlooked Feb 28 11:22:19 janimo, then make a branch first and link it or attach a patch or some such Feb 28 11:22:37 its just very hard to find out about the fix if nothing is linked Feb 28 11:22:57 you can even just copy the link to the revision into a comment Feb 28 11:23:44 ok, I was hoping that bzr commit would do something as I inlucde dLP :#XXX in the commit msg Feb 28 11:23:54 hmm Feb 28 11:24:17 is this on ayatana or u-desktop? Feb 28 11:24:19 i think it should ... i rarely cimmit to upstream branches directly though, i usually link merge branches Feb 28 11:24:33 the discussion was on u-desktop Feb 28 12:24:35 ogra: is it possible to compile by hand ? Feb 28 12:25:03 look up the dkms docs, i think you can trigger it by hand Feb 28 12:25:42 ogra: I'm currently in /var/lib/dkms/pwervr-omap3/3.01.00.07/build/services4/3rdparty/bufferclass_ti, but make leads me to undefined $KERNEL_DIR Feb 28 12:26:09 * ericb2 looks Feb 28 12:26:44 hmm, really looks like you dont use the official kernel Feb 28 12:27:11 ogra: no idea : Im running the Ubuntu image I found the link on the Ubuntu wiki Feb 28 12:27:27 ogra: this is natty, could be related ? Feb 28 12:27:47 linux-image-2.6.38-5-omap Feb 28 12:27:55 thats the version you should have installed Feb 28 12:28:26 ogra: uname -a tells : Linux beagle 2.6.38-1-omap Feb 28 12:28:35 ogra: uname -a tells : Linux beagle 2.6.38-1-omap #28-Ubuntu Feb 28 12:28:58 that sounds outdated Feb 28 12:29:28 indeed, apt-cache tells me about 2.6.38-5 Feb 28 12:32:08 shit .. no network Feb 28 12:32:31 is /etc/init.d/networking restart wrong ? Feb 28 12:33:10 that only restarts low-level bits iirc Feb 28 12:33:24 network manager cares for the higher level bits Feb 28 12:33:43 ogra: and I need to got X.org running for that ? Feb 28 12:34:24 you can also set it up in /etc/network/interfaces instead Feb 28 12:34:36 then NM will use the config from there without X Feb 28 12:41:30 I added two lines in /etc/network interfaces : allow-hotplug usb0 and iface usb0 inet dhcp Feb 28 12:41:44 and ifup usb0 fails Feb 28 12:41:45 and auto usb0 ? Feb 28 12:41:57 you shouldnt need allow-hotplug Feb 28 12:42:12 cat /proc/net/dev|grep usb ? Feb 28 12:43:52 * ericb2 removed allow-hotplug an retries ... Feb 28 12:45:34 ogra: got : usb0: 64009 677 .... and so on Feb 28 12:45:44 looks fine Feb 28 12:46:17 ok, works now. Suddenly ... Feb 28 12:46:53 its magic :) Feb 28 12:48:10 ogra: ufff ... loosk like I'm in debug mode ... got zillions of [ xxxx.xxxxxx] smsc95xx 1-2.1:1.0: usb0: kevent 2 may have been dropped Feb 28 12:48:48 * ericb2 installing kernel 2.6.38-5 Feb 28 12:49:48 (omap version) Feb 28 12:53:28 * ericb2 hopes to be able to work a bit today Feb 28 13:03:48 morning Feb 28 13:06:00 rsalveti: hi Feb 28 13:06:16 rsalveti: got a problem installing powervr on omap3 Feb 28 13:06:21 rsalveti: X.org is gone ... Feb 28 13:06:30 rsalveti: + the build fails Feb 28 13:06:45 ericb2: could be that sgx is broken with latest updates Feb 28 13:06:57 ericb2: can you open a bug against it? Feb 28 13:07:02 will take a look then Feb 28 13:07:06 rsalveti: where ? Feb 28 13:07:13 rsalveti: do you have a link I meant Feb 28 13:07:18 maybe by updating the package or by fixing the current code Feb 28 13:07:34 ericb2: just open a bug agains the sgx package for omap3 Feb 28 13:07:44 putting your dkms logs Feb 28 13:07:58 ericb2: there's a workaround to avoid the smsc95xx messages Feb 28 13:08:07 let me get the link Feb 28 13:08:53 XorA: ogra: and for omap I'd like to merge the patch that sets the mhz higher for most beagle boards Feb 28 13:09:45 also on my todo, was waiting more discussion and see if it'd go for 39 Feb 28 13:09:54 than I can easily backport for our current 38 Feb 28 13:10:36 does anyone know how long i can expect to wait for the image writing to complete? I'm following instructions here for a beagle board install, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall Feb 28 13:12:26 ericb2: for smsc messages: Add to /etc/sysctl.conf: vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192 Feb 28 13:12:47 rsalveti: ok, I'll do once I'll have installed kernel-sources for 2.6.38-5 Feb 28 13:12:56 ericb2: thanks Feb 28 13:14:41 btw, mpurate=800 seems to work well. mpurate=1000 does nothing, and looks like 600 MHz is the fallback Feb 28 13:15:56 * ericb2 doing everything on a simple 16GB micro SD card Feb 28 13:16:23 k Feb 28 13:16:33 would be fantastic to find 32 or even 64GB a day, using such "size" :) Feb 28 13:16:57 1cm square hard disk is a bit of fun Feb 28 13:17:16 crap just reminded me I dont have any high speed microSDs Feb 28 13:35:25 rsalveti: done. ( /etc/sysctl.conf ..etc) Feb 28 13:46:36 rsalveti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powervr-omap3/+bug/726541 Feb 28 13:46:38 Launchpad bug 726541 in powervr-omap3 "powervp installation broken on aremel (kernel 2.6.38-5)" [Undecided,New] Feb 28 13:48:34 ericb2: cool, thanks Feb 28 13:49:38 rsalveti: I added one comment Feb 28 13:50:54 rsalveti: wiating, what can I do to repair my X.org (currently broken) Feb 28 13:50:54 ? Feb 28 13:51:02 s/wiating/waiting/ Feb 28 13:51:24 ericb2: what happened to your x.org? Feb 28 13:51:51 something like "module omaplfb not found" or something close Feb 28 13:52:12 rsalveti: happened when I tried to install powervr Feb 28 13:53:09 and apt-cache search omaplfb ... is empty :/ Feb 28 13:53:28 that's because this module is loaded during the sgx initscript Feb 28 13:53:36 but it shouldn't affect your xorg Feb 28 13:53:58 as the omap 3 driver doesn't properly support the xorg Feb 28 13:54:11 rsalveti: where is the config file located ? Maybe I can reconfigure X.org ? Feb 28 13:55:50 ericb2: there's no xorg conf by default Feb 28 13:56:13 rsalveti: sorry, how does it work then ? Feb 28 13:56:19 ericb2: at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d are the basic confs, but not something that sets your video driver Feb 28 13:56:43 you can still create your own config, but not needed Feb 28 13:56:59 as you're basically using xorg with framebuffer Feb 28 13:58:06 rsalveti: ok, and how can I figure out what happens ? The only info I got is : ddxSigGiveUp : Closing log Feb 28 13:58:21 in /var/log/Xorg.0.log Feb 28 13:58:26 ericb2: can you post your x.org log for me? Feb 28 14:00:16 rsalveti: yes, sure. Let me try to launch it manually Feb 28 14:01:08 (EE} HID 04f3:013: failed to initialize for relative axes. Feb 28 14:02:25 could the mpurate=800 be the reason ? Feb 28 14:06:47 and servce gdm restart does notthing ... tested on CTRL + ALT + F6 -> F10 Feb 28 14:09:10 if xorg is failing, then gdm restart will not work Feb 28 14:09:26 rsalveti: I know. Was to obtain a track, somewhere to search Feb 28 14:19:02 rsalveti: the only track I got, is when I installed the libegl1-sgx-omap3 lib, a lot of libs have been uninstalled Feb 28 14:19:45 rsalveti: bingo Feb 28 14:19:53 rsalveti: broken dependencies Feb 28 14:21:00 it's normal to remove some mesa libraries and dependencies, as the sgx one will replace them Feb 28 14:21:19 but it could be that something was remove accidentally Feb 28 14:21:23 *removed Feb 28 14:21:33 I'm setting up my beagleboard to test the package again Feb 28 14:21:38 and try to fix it Feb 28 14:21:43 rsalveti: you mean everyting removed + omaplfb module should replace everything ? Feb 28 14:22:08 * ericb2 will redo .. not clear Feb 28 14:22:13 no, the sgx packages should replace the libegl/libgles from mesa Feb 28 14:22:26 and when the mesa packages are removed, some others are also removed, as not used anymore Feb 28 14:22:38 rsalveti: ok, but sgx package won't work without the module ? Feb 28 14:22:48 ericb2: nops Feb 28 14:23:00 rsalveti: ah .. sorry looks I'm plain wrong Feb 28 14:23:01 but your xorg should still work Feb 28 14:24:16 rsalveti: it's not the case Feb 28 14:31:12 rsalveti: Did you manage to give that rootfs a stab? Feb 28 14:31:43 lag: argh, sorry, it took so long to download that I completely forgot Feb 28 14:31:45 let me dig it here Feb 28 14:32:45 :) Feb 28 14:32:47 np Feb 28 15:18:51 lag: did you try this rootfs with kernel upstream? Feb 28 15:19:03 or how are you planning to use it? Feb 28 15:19:49 rsalveti: I have various kernels I can try to use it with Feb 28 15:20:01 rsalveti: The main one is on git.linaro.org Feb 28 15:20:08 lag: so what exactly you want me to test with it? Feb 28 15:20:09 rsalveti: I'm guessing you don't have HW though Feb 28 15:20:23 Anything? Feb 28 15:20:26 just to try it with beagle? Feb 28 15:20:28 ok Feb 28 15:20:29 rsalveti: I think it's just a generic kernel Feb 28 15:20:32 Sure Feb 28 15:39:45 hey prpplague Feb 28 15:39:56 XorA_: hey bud Feb 28 15:41:17 prpplague: what happens if I plug a zippy into beagle XM? Feb 28 15:41:45 XorA: it goes *poof* Feb 28 15:41:52 * prpplague jokes with XorA Feb 28 15:41:53 :-( Feb 28 15:42:14 XorA: zippy and zippy2 have been tested with xm with no issues Feb 28 15:42:34 prpplague: sweet, even bigger rootfs with LVM then :-D Feb 28 17:54:58 lag: image is working fine Feb 28 17:55:06 lag: with our 38 for omap Feb 28 17:55:16 linaro image but still "Welcome to Ubuntu Natty" :-) Feb 28 18:17:51 rsalveti: It's the Linaro image of Ubuntu Feb 28 18:18:25 heh Feb 28 18:18:34 "the linaro image of ubuntu" Feb 28 18:18:57 sounds like "the duke of earl" Feb 28 18:21:59 rsalveti, do TI plan a .38 upload now that it seems to be close to good enough? Feb 28 18:23:28 TI ... upload ... ? Feb 28 18:23:51 janimo, cooloney does our kernel, whenever he is ready we should get a package Feb 28 18:24:16 given that there are only a few hours until freeze i wouldnt expect it before alpha3 though Feb 28 18:24:27 ogra, ah great. Well, green light for upload, pull request whatever :) Feb 28 18:24:45 it's a soft freeze :) Feb 28 18:24:52 ogra talking bad about TI *g* Feb 28 18:24:55 k, i'll try to ping him tomorrow morning Feb 28 18:24:56 and it does not go into images so should not destabilize A3 Feb 28 18:25:20 we wont have parallel kernel packages for omap4 Feb 28 18:25:34 ah, so it's a straigh update Feb 28 18:25:35 so it has to be good enough to replace the existing one Feb 28 18:25:39 ok, then Feb 28 18:25:39 right Feb 28 18:25:52 kernel team refused to maintain two packages Feb 28 18:26:00 makes perfect sense Feb 28 18:26:03 specially since we would get naming probs Feb 28 18:26:16 and cross-grading would become a pain Feb 28 18:26:43 ogra, what were the takeaways from the emdebian meeting? Feb 28 18:26:48 anything new to us? Feb 28 18:27:02 janimo: ogra: new .38 upload should be done when cooloney work on it Feb 28 18:27:13 but, still not tested Feb 28 18:27:15 rsalveti, right Feb 28 18:27:27 the pull request is done from TI side already Feb 28 18:27:31 i think janimo just said it was good for him above Feb 28 18:27:35 ok Feb 28 18:27:36 yup, i saw the mail Feb 28 18:27:49 the sound stuff doesnt look convincing though Feb 28 18:28:02 but we have time to fix that this time (i hope) Feb 28 18:28:08 yeah Feb 28 18:28:25 I believe we'll go a3 with the kernel we have in hands Feb 28 18:28:35 this new on a ppa and after a3 we can do the switch Feb 28 18:28:44 yeah Feb 28 18:28:45 as the soft freeze for a3 is today Feb 28 18:28:52 wasn't expecting that Feb 28 18:28:57 freeze is at 23:00 UTC Feb 28 18:29:01 where is that .38 kernel coming from? Feb 28 18:29:02 yeah Feb 28 18:29:07 armin76: from TI Feb 28 18:29:13 its always on mondy evening/tuesday morning Feb 28 18:29:16 armin76: but basically the same one linaro currently delivers Feb 28 18:29:28 ogra: yeah, was expecting it to be tomorrow, but fine :-) Feb 28 18:29:37 nothing urgent Feb 28 18:29:42 well, looks like unity didnt make it yet Feb 28 18:29:42 rsalveti: link for it? Feb 28 18:29:48 armin76: getting for you Feb 28 18:29:50 so that looks like a delay Feb 28 18:29:56 thanks Feb 28 18:30:03 (for the freeze) Feb 28 18:30:06 ogra: what you mean? we may need some bugfixing Feb 28 18:30:14 but that's fine if we can do that tomorrow Feb 28 18:30:16 rsalveti, i know ... Feb 28 18:30:16 I believe Feb 28 18:30:24 we wont have images tomorrow Feb 28 18:30:33 ogra: didn't you say you fixed it? Feb 28 18:30:34 unity will be uploaded tomorrow morning only Feb 28 18:30:35 :-) Feb 28 18:30:40 finally KDE packages are out of the FTBFS queue, now the chart looks familiar again Feb 28 18:30:44 no,. janimo fixed it Feb 28 18:30:51 although I wish Libo built on arm for a change Feb 28 18:30:59 but the fix was sitting idle in upstreams bzr for three days Feb 28 18:31:01 oh, will still be pushed... Feb 28 18:31:08 it will be pushed Feb 28 18:31:18 argh Feb 28 18:31:23 but the desktop team just announced they wont make it before tomorrow morning Feb 28 18:31:41 which means we will have no images tomorrow morning Feb 28 18:31:47 yeah Feb 28 18:31:50 with luck we'll have them in the evening Feb 28 18:31:51 maybe I should have made a package upload as well. Dunno, I was trying not to mess with too many bzr branches at once Feb 28 18:32:00 yeah Feb 28 18:32:14 I thought you also did a package upload Feb 28 18:32:20 no Feb 28 18:32:25 janimo, given treh experience we now have with nux and unity slowness, i would actually recommed package fixes in the future Feb 28 18:32:28 I saw they upload quite frequently Feb 28 18:32:31 so I leave it to them Feb 28 18:32:32 it's taking too much time for the fixes to be in the archive Feb 28 18:32:41 nux took ages Feb 28 18:32:52 yeah Feb 28 18:32:55 because they kept back a new upstream relese until FF Feb 28 18:32:58 true, but I did not know how long it takes them. I will consider package uploads from now on though Feb 28 18:33:02 seems they don't care much about arm Feb 28 18:33:31 given the silly casting errors that cause our build failures i would agree with that :) Feb 28 18:33:32 if it's breaking our images, then a package upload would be better I guess Feb 28 18:33:42 rsalveti, I can't blame them. The flood of bugmails I am getting since on the unity team has * a lot* of crash reports Feb 28 18:33:55 they ned to make that stabl eon x86 before caring for arm Feb 28 18:33:57 crash or ftbfs? Feb 28 18:34:05 crashes Feb 28 18:34:11 crash is fine :P Feb 28 18:34:15 yeah Feb 28 18:34:17 I still canoot run unity on my two x86 laptops I test on Feb 28 18:34:18 ftbfs blocks images Feb 28 18:34:21 just goes away Feb 28 18:34:22 ftbfs is blocking Feb 28 18:34:55 ogra, rsalveti I know, what I am saying they are swamped by bugfix work so probably let us handle arm and only do it when explicitly pinged Feb 28 18:34:58 i'm really curious if unity-2d will run at all Feb 28 18:35:25 janimo, right, do package fixes and additionally dup a merge request in place for next upstream Feb 28 18:35:30 armin76: https://github.com/sebjan/linux-2.6/tree/int-2.6.38-rc6-iv3 Feb 28 18:35:31 *dump Feb 28 18:35:49 yeah Feb 28 18:36:03 otherwise we're not making a3 Feb 28 18:41:16 * armin76 wonders why is it hidden Feb 28 18:41:20 rsalveti: thanks Feb 28 18:41:33 armin76: it's not hidden, heavy dev Feb 28 18:41:45 armin76: if you follow linaro tree you'll probably get the same patch set Feb 28 18:42:07 arm guys! Feb 28 18:42:12 I have a quandry Feb 28 18:42:22 I want to install from ubuntu-standard a full gnome desktop Feb 28 18:42:34 but ubuntu-desktop requires unity Feb 28 18:42:41 and jockey-gtk Feb 28 18:42:43 rsalveti: actually, if you talk about my tag, it does not contain the Linaro patches, only TI ones on top of mainline kernel Feb 28 18:42:45 but unity depends on compiz Feb 28 18:42:54 and jockey-gtk depends on nvidia-common Feb 28 18:43:01 *what* is going on? Feb 28 18:43:17 (btw unity-2d doesn't provides: unity either) Feb 28 18:43:29 sebjan: true, I mean, if he gets the andy linaro tree he'll get everything Feb 28 18:43:47 rsalveti: correct Feb 28 18:43:48 as he's also merging your tree Feb 28 18:44:02 Neko unity is the default ubuntu-desktop in natty Feb 28 18:44:09 Neko: we're fixing this Feb 28 18:44:23 Neko, and unity-2d doesnt provide unity since it uses bits and pieces of unity Feb 28 18:44:32 -2d needs unity installed Feb 28 18:44:39 Neko. Packages are being rebuilt frm massive uploads last week. Expect a little turbulence in the pool, it should settle by the end of the week. Feb 28 18:44:44 right and I tried that but unity depends on compiz-abisomething Feb 28 18:44:46 jockey is fixed since half a day Feb 28 18:44:57 ah okay so I am just in the middle of an update? Feb 28 18:44:58 phew.. Feb 28 18:45:02 yeah Feb 28 18:45:03 Yes. Feb 28 18:45:04 the rest will be fixed tomorrow or so Feb 28 18:45:04 okay I am satisfied then Feb 28 18:45:12 Neko: we still don't have images Feb 28 18:45:15 since feb 16th Feb 28 18:45:21 depending how fast the desktop team works Feb 28 18:45:24 we expect this to be fixed this week Feb 28 18:45:36 will there be a way to install a maverick-ish gnome desktop without unity? Feb 28 18:45:39 we're waiting too Feb 28 18:45:51 not when using ubuntu-desktop Feb 28 18:46:12 but there's no new meta package to be back to the old behavior? Feb 28 18:46:30 ogra, I am not sure u-2d need unity installed Feb 28 18:46:31 I dunno. I like the IDEA of unity, just not the way it soaks up all the screen space with it's little menu bar Feb 28 18:46:37 what pieces it uses from it? Feb 28 18:46:54 janimo, the dash, icons etc Feb 28 18:47:23 I don't see those in the depends Feb 28 18:47:32 and iirc it build deps on libunity Feb 28 18:47:46 I think there is some common C++ helper indeed Feb 28 18:47:46 which should add it to debs through shlibs Feb 28 18:47:52 but not unity (the apps ) itself Feb 28 18:48:15 the point is that you can install all bits and pieces independently Feb 28 18:48:29 i.e. i used the panel on a normal gnome desktop for a while here ;( Feb 28 18:48:31 err Feb 28 18:48:32 ;) Feb 28 18:48:55 the unity package should probably have more recommends though Feb 28 18:49:14 err Feb 28 18:49:18 unity-2d indeed Feb 28 18:52:27 GrueMaster, if you have some spare cycles today it would be nice to know if unity-2d still runs ... nowing that in advance before we have images would be helpful Feb 28 18:52:53 I'm already downloading the updates now. Feb 28 18:53:07 * ogra hugs GrueMaster Feb 28 18:56:24 I'm kind of impressed with how fast natty is just as a running system... I hacked in gnome and ambience theme and the backdrops and it's like lightning Feb 28 18:56:36 unity seems to run okay it's just I had to spend 2 hours getting it to even install Feb 28 18:57:12 but I understand, we had this problem during Maverick... trying to do work during the day before and the day after an alpha release = eek :D Feb 28 18:59:13 Neko, when booting, you can select classic desktop when logging in. not sure if there are plans for a meta package. Feb 28 18:59:23 it's no problem Feb 28 18:59:37 it just scared me that I couldn't install ubuntu-desktop because it depends on unity and unity didn't work Feb 28 18:59:49 which means no desktop ata ll Feb 28 18:59:52 at all Feb 28 19:00:13 I'll try it again mid-March and it will hopefully Just Work (tm) :) Feb 28 19:00:25 you should try on thu. Feb 28 19:00:39 release day? I doubt I will have good luck then :D Feb 28 19:00:50 ?? Feb 28 19:01:02 we usually have frightening problems with bandwdith to the ubuntu servers Feb 28 19:01:03 this thursday Feb 28 19:01:12 Alpha 3 release date is Thursday Feb 28 19:01:16 yes Feb 28 19:01:26 hundreds of geeks downloading new ISOs, pulling packages for their alpha 2 systems... Feb 28 19:01:27 that shouldnt affext ports.ubuntu.com though Feb 28 19:02:04 in theory :D Feb 28 19:03:11 Neko: I have my own mirror of ports so I don't get hit by bandwidth issues. Feb 28 19:03:31 I use approx so I have a good buffer but it doesn't help when 90% of stuff got rebuilt Feb 28 19:04:24 my mirror updates every 4 hours. real slow for the first few weeks after UDS, but good overall. Feb 28 19:33:08 janimo: ping ? Feb 28 19:37:30 ericb2, hello Feb 28 19:37:46 janimo: hi. Are you Jani Monoses ? Feb 28 19:37:54 ericb2, yes Feb 28 19:38:25 janimo: maybe you'll be interested : I implemente the interlock part in arm assembler for armv7 + in OOo4Kids Feb 28 19:38:47 ericb2, regarding the recent bug I filed? Feb 28 19:38:48 janimo: in sal/osl/unx/interlck.c Feb 28 19:39:04