**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 02 02:59:57 2011
May 02 03:53:16 <lilstevie> WOW
May 02 03:53:38 <lilstevie> amstan and computerwiz_222 are way wrong
May 02 03:53:51 <lilstevie> samsung galaxy tab is nothing like the viewsonic gtab
May 02 04:36:03 <Neko> lilstevie, they're tegra and they're tablets how different can they be, really? :D
May 02 04:37:05 <Neko> someone's going to have to kick a kernel around, but the board differences are going to be teensy tiny compared to finding a tegra kernel of decent pedigree
May 02 04:41:17 <lilstevie> Neko: because the galaxy tab is not tegra
May 02 04:41:51 <lilstevie> the galaxy tab is samsungs hummingbird core with SGX
May 02 04:41:56 <lilstevie> for graphics
May 02 04:42:54 <Neko> http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/02/tegra2-powers-new-samsung-galaxy-tab/
May 02 04:42:57 <Neko> not the new one :D
May 02 04:43:57 <lilstevie> heh well that is the 10.1v
May 02 04:44:10 <lilstevie> which is a very small release cause the rest are exynos powered
May 02 04:44:28 <lilstevie> which is samsungs own a9 core, with the mali400 GPU
May 02 04:44:40 <lilstevie> or so it appears
May 02 04:44:45 <lilstevie> it may have the sgx545
May 02 04:44:48 <Neko> yeah samsung are chopping and changing.. it's gonna make not running android a pain in the ass if you want to support them all
May 02 04:44:57 <lilstevie> heh
May 02 04:45:07 <Neko> that said on a tablet I'd hardly want to run Ubuntu
May 02 04:45:22 <lilstevie> well so far the galaxy s2 is exynos for consumer devices
May 02 04:45:28 <lilstevie> only dev devices got tegra
May 02 04:45:33 <lilstevie> heh
May 02 04:45:40 <lilstevie> I run ubuntu on my galaxy tab
May 02 04:45:41 <Neko> maybe for Oneric the multitouch thing will actually work?
May 02 04:46:04 <Neko> so far as I kicked it around, it's basically "there but nobody uses it, so good luck!"
May 02 04:46:23 <lilstevie> unity has multitouch in its core
May 02 04:46:37 <Neko> in theory!
May 02 04:46:49 <lilstevie> it kinda works :p
May 02 04:46:53 <Neko> I can't think of any supported ARM devices that actually have a multitouch display
May 02 04:47:00 <lilstevie> I really need 3D
May 02 04:47:06 <Neko> I mean maybe it works on some super hyper extended omap4 dev board
May 02 04:47:14 <lilstevie> it works on my tab :p
May 02 04:47:17 <Neko> but that doesn't mean multitouch is production ready
May 02 04:47:50 <lilstevie> its not
May 02 04:48:03 <lilstevie> I said it works
May 02 04:48:06 <lilstevie> not that it is usable
May 02 04:48:16 <Neko> I guess we have to get our asses in gear and get a tablet out the door that's developer friendly
May 02 04:51:10 <Neko> hmm anyone know if the mimomonitors 720s is multitouch?
May 02 04:51:20 <Neko> that would make it easy for me to kick it around some more :D
May 02 04:53:22 <lilstevie> heh no idea
May 02 08:43:07 <kcin1> hi,i want to install skype on arm/ubuntu,and am missing libplayback which has been mentioned on this channel,anyone have it?
May 02 08:45:39 <ogra_> i guess you have to pull the source package from maemo and compile it
May 02 08:46:09 <kcin1> there is not even a source package
May 02 08:52:07 <kcin1> or where should i look?
May 02 14:34:02 <doko> janimo, ogra: do you know about an xorg-video-abi-9 package?
May 02 14:34:16 <doko> for armel, the genesi netbook
May 02 14:34:44 <doko> required by hrw's xserver-xorg-video-imx package
May 02 14:34:45 <janimo> doko, never heard of it
May 02 14:40:19 <doko> janimo: could you do an apt rebuild with the gcc-4.6 from unstable?
May 02 14:40:33 <janimo> doko, from Debian sid you mean?
May 02 14:40:38 <janimo> ok
May 02 14:40:39 <doko> yes
May 02 14:41:29 <doko> apt's oneiric sources built in unstable, to check if it's a Linaro issue
May 02 14:42:04 <janimo> doko, ok, will try to get gcc from unstable - all gcc related packages? Or shall I build in  a chroot?
May 02 14:42:16 <doko> chroot
May 02 14:42:28 <janimo> ok
May 02 15:03:00 <ogra_> doko, ask Neko about efika stuff, he probably has packages
May 02 15:03:49 <Neko> doko, it's a virtual package which includes all the right server side includes...
May 02 15:04:39 <Neko> it's so you can boot grab the right includes for whatever distro version in your pbuilder chroot or so otherwise you could only build the package for the distro release you're running
May 02 15:04:47 <Neko> apt-get  build-dep will get it for you
May 02 15:10:28 <doko> janimo: please build with -march=armv7-a -mfloat-abi=softfp -mfp=vfpv3-fp16
May 02 15:12:08 <doko> Neko: which repository?
May 02 21:57:03 <GrueMaster> rsalveti: Question on u-boot.  Does it support other omap3 based processors or only beagleboard ones.
May 02 22:03:17 <rsalveti> GrueMaster: u-boot is still built for a specific machine
May 02 22:03:41 <rsalveti> so u-boot-linaro-omap3-beagle provides only beagle support
May 02 22:03:47 <GrueMaster> Reason I ask is I have a nook color (bought Saturday).
May 02 22:04:01 <rsalveti> oh, cool
May 02 22:04:13 <GrueMaster> I thought it had some omap3 detection for different systems.
May 02 22:04:29 <rsalveti> so you're the one now asking if you can boot ubuntu at your nook color :-)
May 02 22:04:40 <rsalveti> problem is the cpu id
May 02 22:04:40 <GrueMaster> No, working on.
May 02 22:04:45 <GrueMaster> Ah.
May 02 22:05:44 <lilstevie> with some mods to the android kernel you could boot it though
May 02 22:06:00 <GrueMaster> Yea, figured that.
May 02 22:06:32 <lilstevie> thats what I did for the galaxy tab
May 02 22:06:50 <GrueMaster> My first step was going to be to take their x-loader on our image.  Guess I will need uboot & kernel as well.
May 02 22:07:09 <GrueMaster> Galaxy tab has a different soc, doesn't it?
May 02 22:08:14 <lilstevie> yeah it does
May 02 22:08:21 <lilstevie> but the concept is the same
May 02 22:08:35 <lilstevie> I replaced the android kernel with a patched up one
May 02 22:08:42 <lilstevie> the nook could have the same thing
May 02 22:08:54 <lilstevie> I mean it is hackier than using x-loader or u-boot
May 02 22:09:31 <lilstevie> but as long as you don't have like kernel signing or something like that, your default bootloader will do it
May 02 22:09:48 <GrueMaster> The specs on the Nook Color are Ti OMAP 3621 @ 800 MHz.
May 02 22:13:22 <lilstevie> GrueMaster: ours is Samsungs hummingbird SoC @ 1GHz
May 02 22:14:42 <ogra_> GrueMaster, so you finally got one ?
May 02 22:14:50 <GrueMaster> Yep.
May 02 22:15:20 <ogra_> congrats :)
May 02 22:15:32 <ogra_> i thought you wanted to wait for some dual core
May 02 22:16:46 <GrueMaster> If I continue to wait, quad core procs will be out everywhere outside the US.
May 02 22:17:35 <GrueMaster> Problem here is the only devices that are interesting are rediculously expensive.  $500+ for anything with the Tegra2.
May 02 22:18:22 <spikebike> umm
May 02 22:18:33 <GrueMaster> Besides, the $250 I spent on this was what I would have spent on remodeling materials if my knee wasn't in pain.
May 02 22:18:40 <spikebike> transformer = $400
May 02 22:19:07 <GrueMaster> spikebike: I have a limited budget unless I get creative.
May 02 22:19:08 <spikebike> elocity = $320 ish
May 02 22:19:23 <GrueMaster> And are they available in the US?
May 02 22:19:25 <spikebike> gtablet = $300 ish
May 02 22:19:27 <spikebike> ya
May 02 22:19:41 <spikebike> there's this cool website for such things it's named after some big river
May 02 22:20:15 <GrueMaster> Prices there are dropping fast.  But this was available now.
May 02 22:20:23 <ogra_> seems the iconia comes out here on friday
May 02 22:20:27 <spikebike> ya, I'm talking ship today
May 02 22:20:30 <ogra_> for 500€
May 02 22:21:50 <GrueMaster> Besides, the other deciding factor was http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110427052238659
May 02 22:24:39 <spikebike> I'm holding out for a nice 7-9" android table, decent quality screen, and honeycomb
May 02 22:24:58 <spikebike> probably at least 50% used for e-reading
May 02 22:25:29 * ogra_ still cant make friends with backlit bookreading
May 02 22:27:52 <spikebike> btw, quads seem a ways off
May 02 22:28:01 <spikebike> I suspect the dual cores will get significantly faster first
May 02 22:28:20 <spikebike> heh, I use backlit screens for 60 hours a week or so
May 02 22:28:23 <spikebike> I'm fine with it
May 02 22:28:40 <spikebike> I want high update rate, high contrast, low latency
May 02 22:28:56 <ogra_> thats like looking into a torch 8h/day
May 02 22:28:57 <spikebike> then I can choose when/if I want to reduce contrast
May 02 22:29:13 <spikebike> ogra_: ya, one that you can control the brightness of
May 02 22:30:16 <spikebike> so you get a nice gui, can handle watching videos, casual gaming, light email/web, etc.
May 02 22:59:08 <GrueMaster> Hmm.  Looking at the Nookbuntu post on forum.xda-developers.com (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055954).  Takes a lot of work to get running.
May 02 22:59:28 <spikebike> ya
May 02 22:59:45 <spikebike> I'm gonna wait for something that's reasonable stock (I.e. works decent and has access to the market)
May 02 23:00:53 <GrueMaster> Ugh.  Uses angstrom stuff & requies a usb link to the pc to get X.  Yuck.
May 02 23:01:35 <ogra_> GrueMaster, bring it to UDS ...
May 02 23:01:58 <GrueMaster> 9H flight time, of course it will be coming to UDS.  :P
May 02 23:02:08 <ogra_> :)
May 02 23:02:22 <ogra_> do you have kernel source already ?
May 02 23:02:29 <lilstevie> eh fail
May 02 23:02:31 <GrueMaster> Beats trying to read ebooks on my droid.
May 02 23:02:35 <lilstevie> native or GTFO IMO
May 02 23:02:49 <GrueMaster> ogra_: I only just started looking into this.
May 02 23:03:10 <ogra_> well, its linux, they have to provide the source ... :)
May 02 23:04:12 <ogra_> GrueMaster, oh, shudder (just read the post)
May 02 23:04:29 <ogra_> that will run like molasses, not worth putting time into it
May 02 23:04:51 <ogra_> chroots on android are just messy
May 02 23:04:56 <lilstevie> ogra_: thats what my native or gtfo comment was about
May 02 23:05:05 <ogra_> yeah
May 02 23:05:07 <lilstevie> I saw the whole chroot shit with the galaxy tab and went to the kernel
May 02 23:05:32 <ogra_> same here with the ac100
May 02 23:05:36 <lilstevie> it is the worst hack I have seen for android devices
May 02 23:05:45 <ogra_> though i actually took the time to try it
May 02 23:05:47 <lilstevie> even HaRET is nicer
May 02 23:05:52 <lilstevie> I didn't :p
May 02 23:06:09 <lilstevie> I read the post about chroot and started away on native
May 02 23:06:10 <ogra_> well, dual core 1GHz yadda yaddy
May 02 23:06:20 <ogra_> s/y/a
May 02 23:06:30 <lilstevie> single core 1GHz yadda yadda :p
May 02 23:06:35 <GrueMaster> My thoughts are if I can get the kernel tree & u-boot, I should be able to splice it in to our preinst image.
May 02 23:06:43 <ogra_> so i thought i should at least give it a try
May 02 23:06:55 <ogra_> GrueMaster, without probs i think
May 02 23:07:04 <lilstevie> GrueMaster: I have thought about uboot
May 02 23:07:13 <lilstevie> but you should see our bootloaders shell
May 02 23:07:26 <ogra_> thats what i do for ac100 too, just a matter of getting the right kernel config together
May 02 23:07:44 <lilstevie> ^^ same for the tab
May 02 23:08:10 <lilstevie> I want the SGS2 now though
May 02 23:08:16 <lilstevie> that thing will run ubuntu nicely
May 02 23:08:17 <ogra_> for oneiric i want flash-kernel and initramfs-tools integration ... and a kernel in universe
May 02 23:08:37 <GrueMaster> Aha.  Found the source.
May 02 23:09:05 <ogra_> congrats :)
May 02 23:09:17 <lilstevie> I would need bml-writer :p
May 02 23:47:06 <DerMicha> hay
May 02 23:49:59 <DerMicha> i was start downloading ubuntu-9.10-desktop-armel+imx51.img before i read about this IRC chanel my question is: is that the right image for an FriendlyARM mini 2440 board? (it has an 400 MHz Samsung S3C2440A ARM920 CPU)
May 02 23:54:37 <rcn-ee> DerMicha, you should cancel that download, karmic was armv6+... you got an armv5...
May 02 23:55:21 <rcn-ee> opps sorry arm920 was armv4t... angstrom and Debian armel are your best options..
May 02 23:58:25 <rsalveti> yeah... not compatible with ubuntu at all
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