**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 08 02:59:56 2011
Jun 08 03:13:20 <rsalveti> persia: sure, paste your questions :-)
Jun 08 03:33:22 <persia> rsalveti, So we have a spec: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-o-arm-uboot-tftp  It doesn't seem to have been fleshed out post-UDS, although I remember you saying that some of the work was landing.
Jun 08 03:33:42 <rsalveti> persia: yeah, I have another bp that will cover this one
Jun 08 03:33:46 <persia> Does this spec need to be filled out with stuff to do?  Is it already done?
Jun 08 03:33:49 <persia> Ah, cool.
Jun 08 03:33:58 <persia> What's the other blueprint?
Jun 08 03:34:40 <rsalveti> persia: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/linaro-platforms-o-uboot-new-features
Jun 08 03:34:48 <rsalveti> but it is still missing some bits
Jun 08 03:35:01 <rsalveti> I plan to finish this up until end of this week
Jun 08 03:35:21 <rsalveti> but the work is being done already, and jcrigby will push a new version this week with tftp support for panda
Jun 08 03:35:26 <persia> That covers the TFTP case.  Unless you object, I'll mark my spec obsolete and reference your more complete one.
Jun 08 03:35:57 <rsalveti> persia: I was going to do that once I put more details on the other one
Jun 08 03:36:19 <rsalveti> just need to describe the work that was done already
Jun 08 03:36:25 <rsalveti> give me a few days and I should do it
Jun 08 03:36:33 <persia> Ah, OK.  In that case I won't do anything at all :)
Jun 08 03:36:39 <rsalveti> yup :-)
Jun 08 03:39:15 <persia> Looking at the wider spec: you don't happen to know if u-boot can provide USB storage gadget, do you?
Jun 08 03:45:47 <Matt_O> good evening, gentlemen
Jun 08 04:06:31 <rsalveti> Matt_O: hey! :-)
Jun 08 04:06:41 <rsalveti> Matt_O: want to help us testing the kernel?
Jun 08 04:06:52 <Matt_O> rsalveti, is it low risk? :)
Jun 08 04:06:58 <rsalveti> Matt_O: should be :-)
Jun 08 04:07:11 <Matt_O> I really need my BB operational so I can to dev work on it (and it is right now)
Jun 08 04:07:16 <Matt_O> but I'd like to help testing also
Jun 08 04:07:19 <rsalveti> Matt_O: do you have ubuntu running on your xM C already?
Jun 08 04:07:22 <Matt_O> yep
Jun 08 04:07:29 <Matt_O> using your kernel in fact
Jun 08 04:07:37 <rsalveti> Matt_O: so it should behave the same :-)
Jun 08 04:07:56 <Matt_O> cat /proc/version
Jun 08 04:07:56 <Matt_O> Linux version 2.6.38-9-omap (root@natty-panda) (gcc version 4.5.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.2-8ubuntu4) ) #43xmbc Tue Apr 26 02:54:23 BRT 2011
Jun 08 04:08:03 <rsalveti> cool
Jun 08 04:08:09 <rsalveti> let me check if the kernel was built already
Jun 08 04:09:25 <rsalveti> Matt_O: yup, just need to install it :-)
Jun 08 04:09:33 <Matt_O> ok
Jun 08 04:09:49 <Matt_O> the installer will make backups right?
Jun 08 04:09:59 <rsalveti> Matt_O: yes
Jun 08 04:10:05 <Matt_O> ok
Jun 08 04:10:15 <Matt_O> so what do I do?
Jun 08 04:10:24 <rsalveti> Matt_O: but please mount the first sd card partition and copy the files as a local backup
Jun 08 04:11:08 <Matt_O> good idea
Jun 08 04:11:09 <Matt_O> doing that now
Jun 08 04:11:15 <rsalveti> Matt_O: add the following lines at your /etc/apt/sources.list:
Jun 08 04:11:18 <rsalveti> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports natty-proposed main restricted universe multiverse
Jun 08 04:11:18 <rsalveti> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu natty-proposed main restricted universe multiverse
Jun 08 04:12:05 <rsalveti> Matt_O: apt-get update and apt-get install linux-image-omap
Jun 08 04:12:31 <rsalveti> Matt_O: it should get the version 2.6.38-10.44
Jun 08 04:12:35 <Matt_O> ok.. working
Jun 08 04:12:39 <rsalveti> this is the one with the fix included
Jun 08 04:13:24 <Matt_O> getting
Jun 08 04:14:39 <rsalveti> Matt_O: then flash-kernel should run automatically, and that will create a new uImage and new uInitrd
Jun 08 04:14:50 <rsalveti> and put your older ones as uI*.bak
Jun 08 04:16:29 <Matt_O> dkms failed for powervr-omap3, installing headers as recommended
Jun 08 04:17:18 <rsalveti> Matt_O: sure, also install linux-headers-omap
Jun 08 04:17:25 <rsalveti> that should make it work
Jun 08 04:18:47 <Matt_O> it's retrying dkms
Jun 08 04:19:11 <Matt_O> dang this thing is slow :)
Jun 08 04:19:21 <Matt_O> (probably my sd card)
Jun 08 04:20:29 <rsalveti> yeah
Jun 08 04:21:08 <Matt_O> ok well I guess I'm ready to reboot and see what happens
Jun 08 04:21:17 <rsalveti> Matt_O: cool, good luck :-)
Jun 08 04:22:04 <Matt_O> phew... I got to the login prompt
Jun 08 04:22:13 <Matt_O> do you want to see the dmesg dump?
Jun 08 04:22:25 <rsalveti> Matt_O: yes, please :-)
Jun 08 04:23:52 <Matt_O> http://home.rulecity.com/browse/dmesg.txt
Jun 08 04:24:18 <rsalveti> Matt_O: still using the older kernel, guess flash-kernel wasn't pulled automatically
Jun 08 04:24:25 <rsalveti> just don't know why
Jun 08 04:24:30 <rsalveti> Matt_O: please call sudo flash-kernel
Jun 08 04:24:38 <rsalveti> and then reboot again :-)
Jun 08 04:24:43 <Matt_O> you sure?  the old dmesg didn't detect it as a rev C, it detected it as an unknown
Jun 08 04:24:59 <rsalveti> [    0.000000] Linux version 2.6.38-9-omap (root@natty-panda) (gcc version 4.5.2 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.2-8ubuntu4) ) #43xmbc Tue Apr 26 02:54:23 BRT 2011 (Ubuntu 2.6.38-9.43xmbc-omap 2.6.38.4)
Jun 08 04:25:04 <rsalveti> Matt_O: from the kernel id
Jun 08 04:25:11 <Matt_O> ok.. trying again
Jun 08 04:25:22 <rsalveti> that's interesting...
Jun 08 04:25:28 <rsalveti> same kernel and now you got Rev C
Jun 08 04:26:35 <Matt_O> ok hit refresh
Jun 08 04:29:48 <Matt_O> looks like it's using the new one now
Jun 08 04:30:06 <rsalveti> Matt_O: cool, can you paste me your dmesg?
Jun 08 04:30:13 <Matt_O> it's the same URL
Jun 08 04:30:17 <Matt_O> just refresh it
Jun 08 04:30:56 <rsalveti> Matt_O: cool, so it worked as expected :-)
Jun 08 04:31:01 <Matt_O> yes
Jun 08 04:31:05 <rsalveti> Matt_O: awesome, can you update the bug report with your results?
Jun 08 04:31:06 <Matt_O> I am breathing large sighs of relief :)
Jun 08 04:31:13 <rsalveti> haha :-)
Jun 08 04:32:33 <Matt_O> update the bug report.. can I just reply to the email thread with a URL?
Jun 08 04:33:01 <rsalveti> Matt_O: sure, I can then post the needed bits
Jun 08 04:33:44 <Matt_O> ok done
Jun 08 04:34:43 <rsalveti> Matt_O: awesome, thanks for helping making ubuntu better!
Jun 08 04:34:55 <Matt_O> I am more than happy to do that, since I love ubuntu :)
Jun 08 04:35:07 <Matt_O> (and it is in my best interest to have a solid BB linux install hehe)
Jun 08 04:35:15 <rsalveti> hehe :-)
Jun 08 04:36:04 <Matt_O> I've been spending the last 2-3 weeks ripping SDL out of my project because I suspected it was interfering with GLES2 on the BB... I'm finally ready to start up GLES2 dev work again with no SDL this time
Jun 08 04:36:41 <Matt_O> in fact, I'm pretty sure it was interfering since SDL likely does glx calls and the powervr stuff uses some weird EGL crap
Jun 08 04:37:46 <rsalveti> oh, got it
Jun 08 04:37:55 <rsalveti> is it working well with the drivers provided for omap 3?
Jun 08 04:38:08 <Matt_O> I wrote a "hello triangle" program that works great
Jun 08 04:38:26 <Matt_O> I did have to manually install the GLES2 headers since I didn't see a package for those
Jun 08 04:38:33 <Matt_O> but.. I was just thrilled to have it work at all :)
Jun 08 04:38:46 <rsalveti> cool
Jun 08 04:39:10 <Matt_O> maybe I will contribute a package to install those headers some day :)
Jun 08 04:39:58 <Matt_O> that sounded bad.. what I mean is.. I'd love to contribuet a package, I would just ned to learn how to do it first
Jun 08 04:41:19 <rsalveti> it should be easy to provide the package for the headers, we just didn't do by default because the broken soname for the libs
Jun 08 04:41:44 <rsalveti> so in the end you have .so and not proper .so.1.7 or something
Jun 08 04:41:53 <Matt_O> ah
Jun 08 04:42:03 <rsalveti> links doesn't solve the issue because the soname is inside the lib
Jun 08 04:42:03 <Matt_O> proprietary drivers.. :)
Jun 08 04:42:06 <rsalveti> yeah
Jun 08 04:42:29 <rsalveti> so if you build against the sgx drivers for omap 3 and switch back to mesa, you'll need the mesa-dev packages just to run your application
Jun 08 04:42:49 <rsalveti> but I believe we should end up and provide the headers
Jun 08 04:42:55 <rsalveti> lot of people are complaining about it
Jun 08 04:43:10 <Matt_O> I don't see why anyone would want to use mesa on the BB... unless they just want to get something compiling fast
Jun 08 04:43:28 <rsalveti> yeah
Jun 08 04:48:10 <Matt_O> have you seen the issue where the s-video out goes blank after a certain period (like 10 minutes) ?
Jun 08 04:48:43 <Matt_O> feels like a screensaver is kicking in but I can still access X via VNC just fine
Jun 08 04:50:28 <rsalveti> could be just the power saving at X side
Jun 08 04:50:33 <rsalveti> even without screensaver
Jun 08 04:51:14 <Matt_O> ahhh interesting
Jun 08 08:44:51 <ppisati> guys, can anyone try to compile maverick/ti-omap4?
Jun 08 08:45:04 <ppisati> i've a problem and it looks exactly like this one
Jun 08 08:45:09 <ppisati> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/669912
Jun 08 08:45:11 <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 669912 in linux "natty gcc-4.5 kernel (2.6.37-rc1) build failure" [Undecided,Fix released]
Jun 08 08:48:01 <ogra_> maverick didnt have 4.5
Jun 08 08:48:23 <ppisati> uhm
Jun 08 08:48:35 <ppisati> that's why we didn't see this problem before
Jun 08 08:48:56 <ogra_> oh, wait, it did
Jun 08 08:50:25 <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.5
Jun 08 08:50:56 <ogra_> though i dont remember if it was default
Jun 08 08:51:49 <hrw> ogra_: maverick had 4.5
Jun 08 08:51:55 <hrw> as non default
Jun 08 08:51:58 <ogra_> ah, k
Jun 08 08:52:00 <ppisati> hrw: not as default i think
Jun 08 08:52:01 <hrw> 4.4 was default in maverick
Jun 08 08:52:04 <ppisati> ok
Jun 08 08:52:08 <hrw> 4.5 in natty, 4.6 in oneiric
Jun 08 08:52:13 <ppisati> k
Jun 08 08:52:15 <ogra_> so use 4.4 then :)
Jun 08 08:52:25 <ppisati> i push that fix
Jun 08 08:53:08 <ppisati> today i've another load of CVE
Jun 08 08:53:12 <ppisati> then mvl-dove rebase
Jun 08 08:53:18 <ppisati> and then the 4.6 omap4 usb
Jun 08 08:53:24 <ppisati> *omap3
Jun 08 08:53:39 <ppisati> ah, and i got the ac 100 but didn't have time to play with it :)
Jun 08 08:56:47 <ogra_> ppisati, https://launchpad.net/~ac100 ... there is also a mailing list
Jun 08 08:57:02 <ppisati> ogra_: cool
Jun 08 09:15:40 <ogra_> ppisati, oh, there is also #ac100 in case you are intrested in yet another IRC channel :)
Jun 08 09:26:48 <hrw> how many of you use panda with ubuntu kernel?
Jun 08 09:27:13 <hrw> tee: ../regina-normal_4.6-4_armel.build: Read-only file system
Jun 08 09:35:43 <ogra_> all of us ?
Jun 08 09:35:50 <ogra_> or most at least ...
Jun 08 09:37:59 <hrw> I hope that it will not give me /home as RO :)
Jun 08 10:24:27 <ogra_> hrw, well, if it does, ask janimo, he is in RO too :)
Jun 08 10:24:34 <hrw> ok
Jun 08 10:24:52 * ogra_ thinks hrw didnt get the pun :)
Jun 08 10:25:05 <hrw> got, on second read
Jun 08 10:25:35 <ogra_> :)
Jun 08 14:05:32 <rsalveti> and we're just starting the Linaro arm porting jam! get at #linaro, get the bug list and help us making ubuntu better on arm :-)
Jun 08 14:29:55 <NCommander> rsalveti: do you want to take a bug on determining the reset button root cause?
Jun 08 14:46:57 <ogra_> gar, who dropped the cross compile link from the topic ?
Jun 08 15:39:58 <jburkholder42> hi, I'm looking for a good ubuntu arm target that's affordable
Jun 08 15:40:02 <jburkholder42> any suggestions?
Jun 08 15:40:26 <suihkulokki> beagleboard-xm or pandaboard
Jun 08 15:40:40 <jburkholder42> thanks
Jun 08 15:40:41 <ogra_> depends on your definition of affordable
Jun 08 15:40:51 <jburkholder42> ~$150 :)
Jun 08 15:41:09 <ogra_> what suihkulokki said then
Jun 08 15:41:18 <jburkholder42> hadn't heard of pandaboard
Jun 08 15:42:07 <jburkholder42> oh wow, dual core, nice
Jun 08 15:50:27 <gildean> or if you want a more complete project, i think the toshiba ac100 is your only choice
Jun 08 15:50:42 <gildean> more complete in hardware-wise
Jun 08 15:50:48 <gildean> not software
Jun 08 15:51:15 <GrueMaster> If you can find them.  They were discontinued.
Jun 08 15:51:36 <ogra_> and not sold in the us
Jun 08 15:58:36 <rsalveti> NCommander: yes, as the bug seems to be introduced by your patch
Jun 08 15:59:36 <jburkholder42> I'm looking for a board with ethernet and serial port mostly
Jun 08 16:00:00 <ogra_> both should work for that
Jun 08 16:00:12 <ogra_> ac100 is a netbook (no ethernet)
Jun 08 16:00:27 <NCommander> rsalveti: well, in theory, I was correctng a bug in FAT filesystems. I'm still kinda scared that having a proper FAT breaks the BootROM :-(
Jun 08 16:02:24 <jburkholder42> ac100 looks like a nice little machine, not so good for development..
Jun 08 16:04:09 <rsalveti> NCommander: that doesn't surprise me
Jun 08 16:04:31 <jburkholder42> ugh
Jun 08 16:05:43 <NCommander> rsalveti: why not?
Jun 08 16:06:09 <GrueMaster> What???  A bug in FAT?  Say it isn't so.
Jun 08 16:06:14 <ogra_> because its TI :)
Jun 08 16:06:23 <rsalveti> NCommander: because there was a similar issue with omap 3 in the past
Jun 08 16:06:31 <rsalveti> yeah hehe
Jun 08 16:06:39 <rsalveti> rom code is not bug free
Jun 08 16:06:46 <rsalveti> is like any software
Jun 08 16:06:51 <rsalveti> full of bugs ;-)
Jun 08 16:06:58 <GrueMaster> Just the opposite.  You get free bugs.  :P
Jun 08 16:06:58 * ogra_ bets rom code is just adapted to x-loader every new HW release 
Jun 08 16:07:12 <ogra_> instead of the other way round
Jun 08 16:07:25 * GrueMaster bets rom code doesn't change much except for sysboot tables.
Jun 08 16:08:39 <jburkholder42> it probably has to stay bug for bug compatible
Jun 08 16:48:47 <sveinse> persia, rsalveti: What /is/ the difference between rootstock and qmeu-debootstrap? They produce the same rootfs output, don't they?
Jun 08 16:51:31 <rsalveti> rootstock sets some other stuff too
Jun 08 16:51:42 <rsalveti> like create a user, set up oem-config and such
Jun 08 16:52:13 <sveinse> What happens if I try to boot the rootfs output from debootstrap?
Jun 08 16:53:59 <rsalveti> should boot, but without any user
Jun 08 16:54:18 <rsalveti> could also be lacking some other settings
Jun 08 16:55:03 <sveinse> How is this done in production installation? The install runs debootstrap and then sets up the system, like rootstock does?
Jun 08 16:55:41 <GrueMaster> Worst case, you heard some tearing/crackling noises and have some giant marshmallow man tapping your shoulder.
Jun 08 16:55:42 <rsalveti> sveinse: yes, check livecd-rootfs
Jun 08 16:55:58 <rsalveti> sveinse: but ubuntu is switching for live-build
Jun 08 17:02:34 <sveinse> It seems we need to find an armel board to run debootstrap native for production
Jun 08 17:04:22 <sveinse> Any suggestion on an armel board (which is binary compatible (ARMv7a) with OMAP3) which has good storage options, network, and preferably a box in order for it to fit in the server room?
Jun 08 17:04:45 <GrueMaster> Needs to be omap3?
Jun 08 17:05:14 <GrueMaster> You can get a beagleXM and a case.  check beagleboard.org.
Jun 08 17:05:16 <sveinse> Hmm, no, guess not. Just needs to be able to run ubuntu armel
Jun 08 17:06:59 <sveinse> What storage options are there? External USB-SATA bridge?
Jun 08 17:07:43 <sveinse> What are the Ubuntu farm consisting of? -- mostly in respect of storage
Jun 08 17:09:01 <GrueMaster> The new panda farm will be using usb<>sata with 160G drives.
Jun 08 17:09:32 <GrueMaster> We will use a small (~30G) partition for the chroot environment.  faster read/write times.
Jun 08 17:10:11 <GrueMaster> The existing systems are mostly babbage3 boards but they are flakey and are being replaced by the panda farm.
Jun 08 17:10:26 <GrueMaster> There are also some beaglexm systems.
Jun 08 17:10:39 <sveinse> The pandaboard should be better for building than beaglexm, shouldn't it?
Jun 08 17:10:59 <GrueMaster> dual core, but other than that, not much better.
Jun 08 17:11:06 <sveinse> I mean, the panda runs ubuntu just as well, doesn't it?
Jun 08 17:11:22 <GrueMaster> Yes.  Same image just different kernel.
Jun 08 17:11:46 <sveinse> So, the IO performance is just about the same?
Jun 08 17:11:53 <GrueMaster> yes.
Jun 08 17:12:18 <GrueMaster> I think someone mentioned 24M/s throughput on usb.  Haven't personally benchmarked it yet.
Jun 08 17:12:20 <sveinse> I guess it will be, since USB2.0 is the slowest link in a USB-SATA setting
Jun 08 17:12:58 <GrueMaster> I could be wrong.
Jun 08 17:13:10 <GrueMaster> But much faster than SD.
Jun 08 17:13:22 <sveinse> Well, the panda has twice the memory
Jun 08 17:13:55 <GrueMaster> I am also working on a boot method for Panda to pull from the gadget port from a host pc.  No SD needed.
Jun 08 17:14:11 <jburkholder42> neat
Jun 08 17:14:30 <suihkulokki> how does one request rebuilds of packages that failed last time due to build-dep issues
Jun 08 17:15:16 <sveinse> GrueMaster: gadget port is the linux kernel term for USB OTG, right?
Jun 08 17:15:43 <GrueMaster> yes.  The mini port on the panda.  Should also work on the beagle/beagle XM.
Jun 08 17:16:14 <sveinse> Use the HW bootloader to load firmware to the panda?
Jun 08 17:20:00 <GrueMaster> yes.  By default the sysboot is hardwired to 1. usb 2. mmc0
Jun 08 17:21:17 <GrueMaster> For usb to work, it waits for a host to send it a second stage bootloader.  Then the second stage bootloader can boot a binary blob from there (u-boot, kernel+initrd, etc).
Jun 08 17:22:01 <sveinse> We planned on using usb that way for product recovery, but since we need to support the host-side drivers. We just swap sdcards instead
Jun 08 17:22:03 <GrueMaster> For details on our buildd farm, check out http://dmtechtalk.wordpress.com/.  For the usbboot loader, check out https://github.com/swetland/omap4boot.
Jun 08 17:22:14 <sveinse> thanks
Jun 08 17:23:04 <GrueMaster> For my test pool, I plan on pushing a kernel blob that will flash the sd card & reboot.  Then it can boot from sd and I can do testing from there.
Jun 08 17:23:28 <sveinse> GrueMaster: Is it your project to build the physical farm?
Jun 08 17:24:02 <GrueMaster> No.  That was my manager's project.  He just sent the first one.
Jun 08 17:24:18 <sveinse> nice project!
Jun 08 17:24:45 <GrueMaster> I am writing the software to control the power relays via serial port & download the images through the otg port.
Jun 08 17:25:15 <sveinse> I'd have a easier job selling native buildfarm to the IT dept if such were available in 19" rack... :D
Jun 08 17:25:34 <GrueMaster> The case is a 4u.
Jun 08 17:25:40 <sveinse> yeah, so I see
Jun 08 17:26:18 <GrueMaster> Problem he ran into was too many wires.  Probably could have had a custom wiring harness for the usb cables, but oh well.
Jun 08 17:26:31 <sveinse> Today we are basing it on cross compile on a intel PC. And everyone here in this channel is twitching when I mention that!
Jun 08 17:26:48 <GrueMaster> Yea.  Too much can fail.
Jun 08 17:27:11 <sveinse> Wiring (electrical, building installation, network racks) are a craft that must be learned
Jun 08 17:27:22 <GrueMaster> Personally, I don't care how it is built.  I just complain loudly when it breaks.  :P
Jun 08 17:27:37 <GrueMaster> (software I mean)
Jun 08 17:28:19 <GrueMaster> Yea, the rack stuff can get hard.  I designed a rack cabinet for high density cpu validation using desktop boards when I was at Intel.
Jun 08 17:30:02 <GrueMaster> Held 16 boards on 8 shelves.  Each shelf had 2 aluminum plates with holes for mounting every MB standard available at the time.  ITX, ATX, BTX, WTX, Server...
Jun 08 17:31:14 <GrueMaster> Even had remote temperature monitoring so systems could be shut down.  Helped during Prescott (P4 x86_64) testing.  That processor was hot.
Jun 08 17:49:03 <sveinse> GrueMaster: You're EE?
Jun 08 17:49:14 <GrueMaster> Pfft.  no.
Jun 08 17:49:31 <GrueMaster> Used to be a combat engineer in the army though.
Jun 08 17:54:34 <sveinse> Anyone happens to know how long time it takes to build qt4-x11 on the ubuntu build farm? (beagleboards?)
Jun 08 17:56:37 <GrueMaster> Easiest way to find out is to lookup on launchpad.net.  search for the package and go from there.  here's the natty updated version:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4:4.7.2-0ubuntu6.1/+build/2458577
Jun 08 17:57:11 <GrueMaster> The buildd names that ends with ceae are all beaglexm.
Jun 08 17:57:40 <sveinse> I'm trying to benchmark (crudely) the performance of running a native buildfarm vs. using cross compilation
Jun 08 17:57:49 <jburkholder42> took 1 day, 15 hours, 13 minutes, 48.2 seconds
Jun 08 17:57:53 <jburkholder42> I was going to say 2 days
Jun 08 17:58:15 <GrueMaster> iirc, it uses a lot of swap space.
Jun 08 17:58:43 <GrueMaster> Here's the link to the build farm.  https://launchpad.net/builders/
Jun 08 17:59:30 <MrBIOS-seamicro> hey guys
Jun 08 17:59:39 <GrueMaster> In the next couple of weeks we should have almost a dozen pandas added.
Jun 08 17:59:45 <sveinse> whoa... 39 hrs.. That's a bit
Jun 08 17:59:48 <GrueMaster> More later in the cycle.
Jun 08 18:00:01 <GrueMaster> Yea, not pretty.
Jun 08 18:00:30 <sveinse> swapping, means that memory is congested. the pandas ought to remedy that -- at least it helps
Jun 08 18:00:36 <MrBIOS> I'm doing some testing of Apache performance on a 1.2GHz n ARMv11 board and am seeing an off request/sec wall of 260rps, even serving static content over 40kB in size
Jun 08 18:01:13 <GrueMaster> MrBIOS: What do you see on an armv7a system?
Jun 08 18:01:28 <GrueMaster> (we don't support older models - sorry).
Jun 08 18:03:00 <MrBIOS> sorry, not armv11
Jun 08 18:03:07 <MrBIOS> it's armv7
Jun 08 18:03:54 <GrueMaster> What platform?
Jun 08 18:04:06 <MrBIOS> something that's not released :)
Jun 08 18:04:12 <GrueMaster> Ah.
Jun 08 18:04:14 <GrueMaster> Heh.
Jun 08 18:04:15 <MrBIOS> yet
Jun 08 18:04:39 <GrueMaster> Cortex A8?  A9?
Jun 08 18:04:40 <sveinse> with that something have sata? ;)
Jun 08 18:05:01 <jburkholder42> I read arm7  ;)
Jun 08 18:05:25 <MrBIOS> sveinse, maybe ;)
Jun 08 18:05:58 <sveinse> its cool that there is so much activity on arm going on!
Jun 08 18:06:10 <sveinse> keep it up!
Jun 08 18:08:51 * ogra_ bets Daviey or someone else from the server team might be intrested in MrBIOS' test results :)
Jun 08 18:17:27 <MrBIOS> ogra_ do you know when Daviey is generally active/around?
Jun 08 18:17:52 <ogra_> european business hours ...
Jun 08 18:18:18 <ogra_> he is on uk time afaik
Jun 08 18:18:40 <MrBIOS> okay, so I'm eightish hours off from him
Jun 08 18:18:52 <ogra_> but i just threw in his name as one member of the tem
Jun 08 18:18:56 <ogra_> *team
Jun 08 18:19:03 <MrBIOS> well, is there a list anywhere? ;-)
Jun 08 18:19:07 <ogra_> they usually hang around in #ubuntu-server
Jun 08 18:19:41 <ogra_> and arm server is one of our goals
Jun 08 18:19:44 <ogra_> for 11.10
Jun 08 18:20:06 * ogra_ is afk now
Jun 08 19:00:05 <jburkholder42> hmm, digikey has no delivery date available for panda boards
Jun 08 19:01:44 <GrueMaster> Heh.  Not unusual.
Jun 08 19:02:27 <jburkholder42> where are you getting your boards?
Jun 08 19:06:29 <GrueMaster> Some I got from TI (prerelease), some from digikey.  I have one coming from the other source on pandaboard.org.
Jun 08 19:07:04 <GrueMaster> Not sure where the boards for the server farm came from.  May have been digikey.
Jun 08 19:08:16 <jburkholder42> I'm in canada so digikey is good, guess I'll wait
Jun 08 19:15:58 <GrueMaster> Canada, eh?  Where abouts?
Jun 08 19:18:11 <prpplague> jburkholder42: if you order from digikey right now, shipping time should be less than two weeks
Jun 08 19:18:27 <prpplague> jburkholder42: don't wait for them to be in stock
Jun 08 19:18:34 <jburkholder42> GrueMaster: Bancroft
Jun 08 19:18:48 <jburkholder42> prpplague: ok thanks
Jun 08 19:19:08 <jburkholder42> GrueMaster: middle of nowhere ontario
Jun 08 19:19:27 <GrueMaster> Ah.  But at least you have bandwidth.
Jun 08 19:19:30 <prpplague> jburkholder42: we generally ship 300 to 500 units per week to digikey, however we had a short supply problem about 3 weeks ago that go use behind
Jun 08 19:19:43 <prpplague> jburkholder42: so if you order now, you most likely will get it in 10 to 14 days
Jun 08 19:19:47 <jburkholder42> GrueMaster: indeed, pretty good high speed up here
Jun 08 19:20:05 <jburkholder42> prpplague: cool, thanks for the info
Jun 08 19:20:11 <GrueMaster> prpplague: Any news on bamboo?  Or at least a pandaboard case?
Jun 08 19:20:35 <prpplague> GrueMaster: still trying to work out a few details with the chinese company doing the tool
Jun 08 19:20:39 <prpplague> GrueMaster: pcb is done
Jun 08 19:20:44 <prpplague> GrueMaster: case design is done
Jun 08 19:20:45 <GrueMaster> cool
Jun 08 19:20:57 <prpplague> GrueMaster: just getting the actual abs parts is the issue now
Jun 08 19:21:16 <prpplague> GrueMaster: that an my poor bank account crying at the expense
Jun 08 19:21:26 <GrueMaster> ouch.
Jun 08 19:21:42 * prpplague hopes he will turn a profit 
Jun 08 19:22:20 <prpplague> GrueMaster: i can send you a FDM for you to use for now if you want
Jun 08 19:22:31 <GrueMaster> Sure.
Jun 08 19:23:13 <prpplague> GrueMaster: it's no where near as strong as the abs case, but you can use it for now
Jun 08 19:23:51 <prpplague> GrueMaster: i had hoped that we could find a company in the US to do the tool but the US companies were outrageously expensive
Jun 08 19:24:58 <GrueMaster> Will it be clear acrylic?
Jun 08 19:27:16 <prpplague> GrueMaster: you mean the production case?
Jun 08 19:27:23 <GrueMaster> yes
Jun 08 19:27:36 <prpplague> GrueMaster: no, it will be black matte abs plastic
Jun 08 19:28:02 <GrueMaster> Hmm.  Still good for making a settop box.
Jun 08 19:28:17 <prpplague> GrueMaster: you've seen the latest renedering right?
Jun 08 19:28:34 <GrueMaster> Not sure.  Last one I saw was a few months ago.
Jun 08 19:28:38 <prpplague> GrueMaster: you have acroread installed on your system?
Jun 08 19:28:47 <GrueMaster> Of course.
Jun 08 19:29:05 <prpplague> GrueMaster: /msg me you email address
Jun 08 22:53:55 <MrBIOS> anybody here know if kexec is known to work on any ARM variant?
Jun 08 22:58:06 <GrueMaster> MrBIOS: I think it was being worked on. Not sure if ppisati worked on it. He is in Itally, check with him in the morning.
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