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Jun 10 03:46:43 <Jef91> Howdy folks - so I'm trying to setup an Ubuntu rootfs through qemu and I've followed the guide posted here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch and when it gets to the step of launching the VM all I get is a black screen. Ideas?
Jun 10 04:08:28 <jburkholder1> Jef91: have you tried -nographic?
Jun 10 04:09:40 <Jef91> ahh I have not
Jun 10 04:09:45 <Jef91> let me try that - one moment
Jun 10 04:10:37 <jburkholder1> if that doesn't work try setting the console to serial by passing console parameter to the kernel
Jun 10 04:12:27 <jburkholder1> console=ttyAMA0 (this is what I found in google)
Jun 10 04:13:04 <Jef91> how do I pass the console argument to the kernel?
Jun 10 04:13:11 <jburkholder1> and then you might have to use qemu -serial option to get the serial output on stdio
Jun 10 04:14:22 <jburkholder1> with the -append qemu option
Jun 10 04:14:31 <jburkholder1> -append "console=ttyAMA0"
Jun 10 04:14:45 <jburkholder1> seems that and -nographic should work
Jun 10 04:15:53 <Jef91> alrighty
Jun 10 04:15:59 <Jef91> setting up something else atm - will try in a few
Jun 10 04:16:01 <Jef91> thanks!
Jun 10 04:16:09 <jburkholder1> no problem, I'm off to sleep
Jun 10 08:50:31 <ericb2> ping janimo ?
Jun 10 08:57:06 <ericb2> janimo: please unping : I retrieved the link
Jun 10 10:46:07 <garagoth> rcn-ee: ping
Jun 10 11:41:47 * jburkholder1 wakes up
Jun 10 12:05:34 <janimo> ericb2, unping
Jun 10 12:05:58 <ericb2> janimo: hello. Nevermind , I found the link
Jun 10 15:36:52 <ppisati> ogra_: can i use ac100's internal flash for ubuntu installation? or just usb/sd?
Jun 10 15:37:29 <ogra_> ppisati, i would recommend the internal, its the fastes disk you can get on the device (and its not actually fast ...)
Jun 10 15:37:45 <ogra_> ppisati, what model did you get ?
Jun 10 15:37:49 <ppisati> ogra_: 10Z
Jun 10 15:37:53 <ogra_> (its written on the bottom)
Jun 10 15:37:56 <ppisati> 8GB
Jun 10 15:38:11 <ogra_> ah, the same as GrueMaster then
Jun 10 15:38:22 <ppisati> and i didn't update to 2.2
Jun 10 15:38:23 <ogra_> he has massive probs with his ...
Jun 10 15:38:29 <ppisati> oh sh*t...
Jun 10 15:38:36 <ogra_> i hope this is a GrueMaster thing
Jun 10 15:38:45 <GrueMaster> hey!
Jun 10 15:38:53 <ogra_> he has a hand to actually run into strange bugs nobody else gets
Jun 10 15:39:12 <GrueMaster> ppisati: If you can, do a backup of every partition first.
Jun 10 15:39:37 <GrueMaster> ogra_: It's my job, its what I do.
Jun 10 15:41:14 <ogra_> GrueMaster, it wasnt a complaint ;)
Jun 10 18:36:26 <jburkholder1> Jef91: did you get your environment running?
Jun 10 18:36:47 <Jef91> Nope. Still keeps giving just a black screen
Jun 10 18:37:00 <Jef91> Got Debian ARM rolling though, so I guess that will have to do
Jun 10 18:37:07 <Jef91> all .debs anyways I guess
Jun 10 18:37:43 <jburkholder1> hmm, that's a shame
Jun 10 19:09:13 <gfunk> I have a noob question.  Can I install ubuntu lucid on an Apple TV 2nd generation witch I believe has an ARM Cortex A-7
Jun 10 19:12:08 <gfunk> I found the device support page here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport but I don't see the ATV2
Jun 10 19:17:01 <GrueMaster> If you can get a kernel & bootloader for it, it should be able to run Ubuntu.  I would go with Natty over Lucid as there is more supported apps and better stability.
Jun 10 19:17:42 <GrueMaster> I suggest looking for someone that has Ubuntu running on an iPad.
Jun 10 19:21:47 <gfunk> Thanks for the response Grue
Jun 10 19:22:11 <gfunk> Does the iPAD run the Cortex-8 or 9?
Jun 10 19:22:25 <GrueMaster> A8 I think.
Jun 10 19:23:32 <GrueMaster> I don't know.  It isn't something we are actively working on and I don't know of any hacks to get it working off hand.
Jun 10 19:23:53 <gfunk> Are there any natty guides where I can start on a custom kernel & bootloader build?
Jun 10 19:24:44 <gfunk> i have built custom x86 and amd64 kernels but not bootloaders
Jun 10 19:25:31 <GrueMaster> You will have to google for it as we don't have any bootloaders that are known to work with Apple arm platforms.
Jun 10 19:26:32 <gfunk> I am googling now...  I see some have tried on the iPAD
Jun 10 19:31:20 <gfunk> unsuccessfully.......
Jun 10 19:46:02 <Jef91> huh
Jun 10 19:46:16 <Jef91> even the Ubuntu netboot initrd doesn't boot properly in qemu
Jun 10 19:52:34 <Jef91> jburkholder1 got the netboot image rolling...
Jun 10 19:55:15 <Jef91> ooo spoke too soon
Jun 10 19:55:26 <Jef91> Image gets through the first few installer screens and then just died on me
Jun 10 19:55:44 <Jef91> just the blue ncurses screen with nothing up shortly after it starts downloading
Jun 10 20:03:50 <jburkholder1> oh, well you got your console working I guess, can't help much from here :)
Jun 10 20:05:45 <Jef91> :-/
Jun 10 20:09:18 <Jef91> with the natty netboot image I am geting this in terminal when I try to star the QEMU "Unknown cp14 read op1:0 crn:0 crm:0 op2:0"
Jun 10 20:25:34 <jburkholder1> that's a qemu problem, if qemu continues it may not matter
Jun 10 22:08:29 <Jef91> is there any way to run an arm machine on a desktop system other than qemu?
Jun 10 22:24:20 <persia> Use an arm desktop :)  More seriously, there are some commercial tools, but they aren't especially better, except for simulating specific hardware.
Jun 10 22:38:25 <Jef91> ahh persia
Jun 10 22:38:32 <Jef91> qemu keeps giving super mixed results
Jun 10 22:38:46 <Jef91> and I've yet to find any guide that works for getting ubuntu or debian ARM working under QEMU
Jun 10 22:39:18 <persia> I've never had real success with it myself.  Some sporadic success with jaunty, but most of the times I've tried it since have been frustrating.
Jun 10 22:39:44 <persia> Hardware is becoming increasingly inexpensive and available.  Some devices for as little as USD 99.
Jun 10 22:40:32 <Jef91> yea I know
Jun 10 22:40:41 <Jef91> I'd just really like a full system to type commands and such into
Jun 10 22:42:37 <persia> If you just want to run commands, the cross-chroots with qemu-static work fairly well.
Jun 10 22:42:53 <persia> Yes, this doesn't help with kernel testing, but can do most other things.
Jun 10 22:43:24 <Jef91> true
Jun 10 22:43:29 <Jef91> Whats a cross chroot again?
Jun 10 22:43:30 <persia> Some dynamic allocators and anything that depends on binfmt tends to break, but that'S a minority of things.
Jun 10 22:43:42 <persia> You build an armel chroot on a non-armel system.
Jun 10 22:43:57 <Jef91> Got a link for a HOWTO on that one?
Jun 10 22:45:08 <persia> `apt-get install qemu-user-static; mkdir chroot; sudo qemu-debootstrap --arche=armel natty ./chroot; sudo chroot ./chroot /bin/bash`
Jun 10 22:45:52 <persia> Err, add a "sudo" in the front :)
Jun 10 22:46:06 <persia> Oh, and "arch=armel".
Jun 10 22:48:03 <Jef91> persia can't find qemu-user-static
Jun 10 22:48:07 <Jef91> on a lucid base
Jun 10 22:48:37 <persia> In lucid, install qemu-kvm-extras-static
Jun 10 22:49:08 <Jef91> thanks
Jun 10 22:50:16 <persia> I'd still recommend a natty chroot, or at least maverick.  Lots of porting wasn't complete until maverick.
Jun 10 22:50:53 <Jef91> ahh
Jun 10 22:51:06 <Jef91> can I have this do a debian chroot?
Jun 10 22:52:07 <persia> Sure.  qemu-debootstrap doesn't have a manpage, but it's argument-compatible with debootstrap.  Just read debootstrap(1) on making a Debian chroot.
Jun 10 22:52:23 <persia> For Debian, I'd recommend at least squeeze.
Jun 10 22:53:06 <Jef91> haha easy peasy
Jun 10 22:53:10 <Jef91> just "squeeze"
Jun 10 22:53:13 <Jef91> thanks mate
Jun 10 22:53:16 <Jef91> hopefully this will work well
Jun 10 22:53:28 <persia> I'm not convinced that lenny had as strong armel support.
Jun 10 22:53:52 <Jef91|AFK> using squeeze
Jun 10 22:54:30 <persia> I run squeeze on one of my machines, and haven't encountered any significant issues.  Mind you, I run that headless, so haven't played much with EFL, but the base is definitely there.
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