**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 20 02:59:57 2011 Jun 20 09:25:58 hi, quick question, why does rootstock on karmic insist on qemu even when running under arm? Jun 20 10:45:52 sigh, apachelogger had a boring sunday it seems Jun 20 10:46:01 * ogra_ wades through bugmail Jun 20 10:57:38 ogra: heh, any interesting bugs? Jun 20 10:58:03 nah, just general noise Jun 20 10:58:24 damn Jun 20 10:58:45 you should see this weird bug I have had come up since switching to a newer kernel :p Jun 20 10:58:54 ^^ Jun 20 10:58:57 tell me Jun 20 10:58:59 ogra_: more like proper triage :P Jun 20 10:59:07 heh, yeah Jun 20 10:59:23 the bootloader image is taking over, graphical corruption all round, Jun 20 10:59:35 ouch Jun 20 10:59:52 basically in samsungs 2.6.35 sourcedrop the fbdev driver has been royally screwed Jun 20 11:00:06 yeah, sounds bad Jun 20 11:00:07 my login screen is a few gdm elements overlayed over the bootsplash Jun 20 11:00:32 did you try to roll back the driver ? Jun 20 11:00:37 not yet Jun 20 11:00:56 I will try that when I get back Jun 20 11:01:01 brb Jun 20 11:01:02 food Jun 20 11:01:04 Hey, either of you familiar with rootstock? Jun 20 11:04:22 I guess I killed the channel again Jun 20 11:05:15 while i initially wrote rootstock i havent touched it in more than 12months Jun 20 11:06:10 Well, close enough... I had a sorta-generic question Jun 20 11:07:37 Is there a armel image that contains enough to run rootstock from a chroot setup? Jun 20 11:08:16 Because most of the references I see refer to qemu this or that Jun 20 11:08:23 * ogra_ has never run rootstock on arm ... and it wasnt originally created for that Jun 20 11:08:50 I can't even apt-get rootstock on karmic because it fails on qemu Jun 20 11:08:57 iirc someone patched it to be able to run natively though, but i have zero experience with that Jun 20 11:09:00 Hmmm.... Jun 20 11:09:07 you shouldnt run karmic anyway Jun 20 11:09:10 its EOL Jun 20 11:09:51 I know, but that's the image I got to be able to run Ubuntu on an android phone Jun 20 11:10:08 Linux localhost 2.6.32.9 #1 Sun May 22 19:44:33 CDT 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux Jun 20 11:10:25 what HW is that ? Jun 20 11:10:44 epic Jun 20 11:11:27 ah, thats samsung, right ? Jun 20 11:11:35 Yeah Jun 20 11:11:35 htc Jun 20 11:11:41 sorry Jun 20 11:11:42 no. sammy Jun 20 11:11:47 evo is htc Jun 20 11:11:56 lilstevie has some samsung experience ... Jun 20 11:12:06 k, good Jun 20 11:12:35 I want to also sorta-resurrect rhodbuntu for xda soon Jun 20 11:12:38 if you want a barebone image, take the omap preinstalled netbook image, grab the content of the second partiton and touch /var/lib/oem-config/run Jun 20 11:12:57 hmm, k Jun 20 11:13:03 tar it up and untar it on your phone Jun 20 11:13:16 well, there lies the issue Jun 20 11:13:28 or if you want it more minimal you can du the same with the headless image Jun 20 11:13:30 this *is* my computer atm Jun 20 11:13:40 *do Jun 20 11:14:35 so right now karmic is chroot'ed and running epic4 which lets me be here Jun 20 11:14:54 but I want to be able to create something a bit better Jun 20 11:16:06 which device? Jun 20 11:16:12 I just find it quite amusing that I can subsystem a true GNU/Linux on my phone Jun 20 11:16:22 epic 4g Jun 20 11:16:42 that is the same family as the i9000 isn't it Jun 20 11:16:48 yeah Jun 20 11:16:55 galaxys Jun 20 11:17:09 only one with a keyboard Jun 20 11:17:21 ok, if you give me a bit I will run through some of it with you, I have already gotten things working on the sgs i9000 Jun 20 11:17:26 just no modem Jun 20 11:18:14 I don't need modem, I just nice chroot /data/local/ubuntu /bin/sh Jun 20 11:18:28 eh I don't chroot Jun 20 11:18:31 Let android handle the hw... Jun 20 11:19:13 chrooting is far from ideal, just fyi Jun 20 11:19:28 I know Jun 20 11:19:40 Trust me, I know Jun 20 11:20:01 heh Jun 20 11:20:23 I have a nice setup going, flash kernel and param with heimdall and throw the image on one of the SD cards Jun 20 11:21:07 lilstevie, btw, how about providing your flash-kernel patch for upstream inclusion (or at least ubuntu inclusion) Jun 20 11:21:24 I just use an ext4 kernel and loopmount the ubuntu image Jun 20 11:21:26 ogra_: I dd Jun 20 11:21:33 oh ? Jun 20 11:21:58 ogra_: the kernel is stored in its own block device that the bootloader reads Jun 20 11:22:28 a flash_kernel patch may help for easier updates including command line Jun 20 11:22:38 yes Jun 20 11:23:41 I'm still trying to figure exactly how but there is a socket in one of the closed source modules that allows writing direct to the non-volatile stash that bootloader params are stored in Jun 20 11:23:41 how big is your sd image? Jun 20 11:23:49 my SD image is 2GB Jun 20 11:24:02 brb gotta do something so the mrs doesn't kill me Jun 20 11:25:42 The current "linux" image is woefully inadequate Jun 20 11:26:16 the guy that wrote the bootstrap script doesn't even know how to sed and cut Jun 20 11:27:25 I got it to the point where it doesn't whine about fs and partiion layouts Jun 20 11:29:17 but at least android uses the linux kernel to the point that you can chroot and run a gnu system under it Jun 20 11:29:43 back, Jun 20 11:30:24 I use an ubuntu initramfs in my kernels Jun 20 11:30:51 after playing round with the compression managed to get a natty initramfs to fit too :) Jun 20 11:30:59 nice Jun 20 11:31:27 lilstevie, oh. you had compression issues ? Jun 20 11:31:42 kernel now supports lz right? Jun 20 11:31:46 ogra_: yeah the zImage was 8.3MB Jun 20 11:31:54 lilstevie, what did you do ? Jun 20 11:32:01 i have a similar prob on the ac100 Jun 20 11:32:05 but the partition is just over 7 Jun 20 11:32:10 I switched to lzma Jun 20 11:32:21 thought so Jun 20 11:32:36 lz is great except it's a memory hog Jun 20 11:33:07 hmm, doesnt help here Jun 20 11:33:19 * ogra_ already tried all possible compression methods Jun 20 11:33:40 gzip gave me an 8.3MB kernel Jun 20 11:33:47 lzo gave me 10mb Jun 20 11:33:47 lzma is just fitting weighing in at 6.9MB Jun 20 11:33:49 everytime someone posts something in 7z I can't decompress half cuz the dictionary is too big Jun 20 11:34:01 ogra_: how big is your partition Jun 20 11:34:23 8M Jun 20 11:34:29 hmm Jun 20 11:34:34 why so big then? Jun 20 11:34:37 but for a full fastboot boot.img Jun 20 11:34:43 do you need to mkboot Jun 20 11:34:52 the kernel is 3.5M Jun 20 11:35:01 so i only have 4.5 left Jun 20 11:35:12 the samsung bootloader takes a raw vmlinux Jun 20 11:35:35 or zImage Jun 20 11:35:43 ah, lucky you Jun 20 11:36:09 ac100 uses a fastboot img file to boot ... i need to pre-process kernel and initrd Jun 20 11:36:12 I also have a serial shell with the bootloader Jun 20 11:36:16 using abootimg Jun 20 11:36:27 no serial port here Jun 20 11:36:36 eugh, I am not looking forward to that with the transformer Jun 20 11:36:36 so a console wouldnt help much Jun 20 11:36:42 yep Jun 20 11:36:48 well, should be easy Jun 20 11:37:03 heh yeah, going to be kernel level for most of it Jun 20 11:37:06 i guess it shouldnt take more than one/two days to get a first cut image running Jun 20 11:37:18 yeah thats how long I give it Jun 20 11:37:30 it is being sent tomorrow, Jun 20 11:37:36 properly integrated rather a week or two Jun 20 11:37:51 (depending on the kernel) Jun 20 11:37:53 but when it gets here I forsee booting within the hour Jun 20 11:38:15 I am going to be getting on ASUS ass about GPL Jun 20 11:38:26 the kernel source is there Jun 20 11:38:29 they still haven't released the 3.1 kernel source Jun 20 11:38:36 question is how the nvidia bits are integrated Jun 20 11:38:55 much like the xoom Jun 20 11:39:04 from what I have looked over so far in the 3.0 source Jun 20 11:39:08 if transformer uses nvec as badly as ac100 it will be really really bad to get the peripherials working Jun 20 11:39:19 yeah I hope not :/ Jun 20 11:39:27 they all need undocumented init codes from nvec here Jun 20 11:39:47 are nvidia willing to cooperate? Jun 20 11:39:51 so for ac100 it took nearly 6 months to get that properly worked out Jun 20 11:39:53 I take it not Jun 20 11:39:55 nvidia ? Jun 20 11:39:56 lol Jun 20 11:40:14 heh well their SoC is horribly documented Jun 20 11:40:16 i think the devs would love to ... but management doesnt care Jun 20 11:40:25 heh Jun 20 11:40:41 samsung are actually taking a big interest in OSS which has been a huge plus Jun 20 11:40:42 stevie: do you think using rootstock is the best way to create a new image? Jun 20 11:40:57 just getting their 3D driver in a binry form like the x86 one would change the world Jun 20 11:40:57 I have been using the omap4 prebuilt Jun 20 11:41:08 didn't they just send a few 'pad to kernel hackers? Jun 20 11:41:18 hmm, k Jun 20 11:41:26 yeah they sent a 10.1 to supercurio Jun 20 11:41:59 and natty works on the galaxy? Jun 20 11:43:31 and I think karmic was the last one to support arm6 correct? Jun 20 11:45:30 yes Jun 20 11:45:38 (karmic) Jun 20 11:45:46 it is much harder galaxy s is armv7 Jun 20 11:45:53 'er Jun 20 11:45:59 shouldnt stop half way in :p Jun 20 11:46:11 galaxy s is an armv7 device, cortex-a8 Jun 20 11:46:26 Well, gonna use natty on the epic Jun 20 11:46:55 But I also want to do something similar for the msm7k2 Jun 20 11:46:55 ogra_: 3D drivers are something we wish for here too Jun 20 11:47:09 which is arm6 Jun 20 11:47:29 lilstevie, well, the nvidia ones exist ... but they are linked and built against unusable xorg versions Jun 20 11:47:39 memory might be an issue though Jun 20 11:47:45 so you can onyl use them if you also replace half your rootfs Jun 20 11:47:56 ogra_: while I can try hijacking the tiomap SGX drivers my gpl-glue is horrible and doesn't support DRI Jun 20 11:48:09 ew Jun 20 11:48:30 you should talk to jessebarkers team in #linaro :) Jun 20 11:48:31 why would they do that Jun 20 11:48:43 for the module? Jun 20 11:49:24 would omap4 be the right one for karmic too? Jun 20 11:49:41 I've been chipping away at patching in the samsung stuff to the DKMS but it has been a slow process Jun 20 11:50:02 the module isnt the prob, the xerver is Jun 20 11:50:26 i can roll a kernel that ignores all versioning info from that module Jun 20 11:50:44 but i cant run userspace without the right xlibs Jun 20 11:51:02 well when I say I use the omap4 image, I use the rootfs, rip out all the omap stuff and replace with hummingbird modules and firmwares Jun 20 11:51:15 dont use omap4 :) Jun 20 11:51:19 use omap Jun 20 11:51:19 ah you mean for the ULP GeForce Jun 20 11:51:28 what is the difference Jun 20 11:51:36 omap4 has the PPA bits Jun 20 11:51:41 ah Jun 20 11:52:00 so you have a few pieces more to remove to get back to a clean image Jun 20 11:52:01 I used the omap4 image cause hardware wise it is closest, ie: same GPU :p Jun 20 11:52:18 on omap you can just dpkg -l |grep omap and remove all the bits Jun 20 11:52:30 ah nice Jun 20 11:53:09 okay Jun 20 11:53:31 what's ppa, sorry Jun 20 11:55:22 Personal Package Archives Jun 20 11:55:46 k Jun 20 11:56:50 * ogra_ actually hopes someone from the nouveau people will develop some interest in tegra Jun 20 11:57:30 ogra_: I really hope that the keyboard dock for the transformer doesn't need undocumented shit implemented in nvec to work Jun 20 11:57:39 that would be a massive failure Jun 20 11:58:13 well, that would be what i expect though :) Jun 20 11:58:19 from nvidia Jun 20 11:58:22 how different is the omap prebuilt to say rootstock-based image? Jun 20 11:58:41 it uses a diffrerent build system Jun 20 11:59:04 ogra_: lets just hope asus took a bit more control for their dock Jun 20 11:59:16 we'll see Jun 20 12:00:33 any pro/cons to either, or am I being a n00b Jun 20 12:02:50 well, prebuilt gives you a read made system, rootstock *creates* a system Jun 20 12:03:16 and given that you cant run it natively apparently, i dodnt really see where you have choice ;) Jun 20 12:04:33 eugh, looking at the sources it appears the dock is interfaced through NVIDIA Tegra internal matrix keyboard controller Jun 20 12:04:52 yeah, true Jun 20 12:05:48 sounds like nvec Jun 20 12:07:17 Are there plans to support tegra? Jun 20 12:09:18 no, but there will be an ac100 community image Jun 20 12:09:30 and probably also one for the eeepad tarnsformer Jun 20 12:09:33 *trans Jun 20 12:09:47 how much ram is considered decent for arm-based sytem? Jun 20 12:09:48 there wont be official tegra support from ubuntu though Jun 20 12:10:05 Xofrats, 512M works ... i wouldnt even start trying with anything less Jun 20 12:10:06 hopefully my eeepad arrives this week Jun 20 12:10:12 512 is ok Jun 20 12:10:26 hmmm, ew... Jun 20 12:10:43 wonder how rhodbuntu got it working with 200 Jun 20 12:10:46 I am actually thinking of cramfs Jun 20 12:11:00 Xofrats, cutting out tons of stuff Jun 20 12:11:26 Xofrats, my ac100 uses 130MB for teh desktop on start Jun 20 12:11:41 as you can see you can indeed use that on 200M Jun 20 12:11:50 just dont start any app ;) Jun 20 12:11:57 I guess Jun 20 12:12:21 But in this case it'll be sharing memory space with *ndr**d Jun 20 12:12:50 yeah I use about 150MB on boot with the tab Jun 20 12:13:31 using a browser with 20tabs open, xchat with about 30 channels on several servers, a bunch of terminals and evolution via ssh -X from another machine i use 380M ram and 250M swap here Jun 20 12:13:47 20 tabs... Jun 20 12:13:49 according to htop Jun 20 12:14:40 ogra_: why wont be official tegra support from ubuntu? any special subject? Jun 20 12:15:00 I don't need much for gui from ubuntu anyway Jun 20 12:15:01 no collaboration with nvidia atm Jun 20 12:15:04 ogra_: k maybe it doesn't I am looking in the wrong config block Jun 20 12:15:17 tons of useful console/ncurses app to use Jun 20 12:16:01 strobe, ping -f... Jun 20 12:16:18 ogra_: wow, nvidia is so close.. :-( Jun 20 12:16:21 oh wait, wrong hat *switches hat* Jun 20 12:16:43 plm, but there are a bunch of community projects for specific devices Jun 20 12:17:01 plm, so we will have community images on cdmiang for some Jun 20 12:17:06 *cdimage Jun 20 12:17:24 ogra_: yes, I know about OMAP3/4 of TI.. Jun 20 12:17:37 i.e. toshiba ac100 ... probably the transformer, likely the nook color Jun 20 12:17:38 ogra_: like as pandaboard, bealge ans so one.. Jun 20 12:17:48 they are official images Jun 20 12:18:00 panda and the omap3 ones are fully supported by canonical Jun 20 12:18:10 the tegra2 ones wont be Jun 20 12:18:48 ogra_: how does one go about getting a community image on cdimage Jun 20 12:19:02 lilstevie, we just work on documenting that Jun 20 12:19:16 ogra_: yes.. I would like to use tegra3.. and I would like know if are a there (i not found) a community project for tegra3 like as are there with panda.. Jun 20 12:19:19 for now you need to work with a person from the cdimage team (or be in that team) Jun 20 12:19:28 ah ok Jun 20 12:19:42 lilstevie, though it all starts with having a kernel package in universe Jun 20 12:20:09 plm, i dont think you can get tegra3 HW aynwhere yet Jun 20 12:20:33 so there is no community for it yet Jun 20 12:20:37 ogra_: ok.. but not for tegra2 too :-( Jun 20 12:20:54 well, for tegra2 the above applies Jun 20 12:20:58 ogra_: ah ok, well my galaxy kernel is nowhere near that standard yet Jun 20 12:21:04 ac100 images will be there for oneiric Jun 20 12:21:14 lilstevie, what standard ? Jun 20 12:21:18 its universe Jun 20 12:21:24 ogra_: my standard Jun 20 12:21:27 ogra_: above? Jun 20 12:21:55 lilstevie, if it doesnt remove all your user data from the HDD and makes most devices work it should be enough Jun 20 12:22:18 ogra_: what is that ac100 ? Jun 20 12:22:31 indeed if you have a "wipe my disk" bug you ship, thats below any standard :) Jun 20 12:22:39 ogra_: I'm looking for in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM Jun 20 12:22:41 plm, toshiba ac100 netbook Jun 20 12:23:08 yeah, persia wanted to add a page for tegra/ac100 ... apparently thats not there yet Jun 20 12:23:16 Mine comes with "nuke from orbit" and locks onto my agps chip Jun 20 12:23:44 does that count? Jun 20 12:24:08 ogra_: ok.. well.. notebook is so big.. I would like to use power of GPUs but in a little device.. like as omap with dsp... Jun 20 12:24:10 ogra_: my standard means it works and can be used Jun 20 12:25:10 lilstevie, well, if it does that, roll a package from it :) Jun 20 12:26:24 by can be used I mean modem and all Jun 20 12:26:29 and modem is far from even close to booting Jun 20 12:30:16 ogra_: the more I look at the source for the eeepad the more it looks like it is going to be done in nvec Jun 20 12:35:05 anyway, thanks for the info, I'll prolly be back with more n00b q Jun 20 12:54:41 welcome back ogra Jun 20 14:07:19 w00t! The oneiric daily build from today is booting on the OMAP 4 pandaboard :) Jun 20 14:09:38 funny, given that there was no build today Jun 20 14:10:27 oh, wait, you mean headless Jun 20 14:11:02 ogra_: Yeah, the headless version. :) Jun 20 14:11:23 Still going through some filesystem checks at the moment. Jun 20 14:11:51 yeah, netbook wouldnt be much fun atm Jun 20 14:12:12 given that the whole USB stack seems to be screwed in the current kernel Jun 20 14:12:19 Ah. Jun 20 14:12:26 That sounds, um, painful. Jun 20 14:16:20 ogra_: hey Jun 20 14:16:31 ogra_: how much do you use qemu-system-arm with versatile kernels these days? Jun 20 14:16:45 lool, me ? Jun 20 14:16:48 ogra_: you Jun 20 14:16:54 i havent used that since two releases iirc Jun 20 14:16:59 Ok; thanks :-) Jun 20 14:17:09 rootstock still uses it though Jun 20 14:17:18 should be ported to omap or some such Jun 20 14:17:18 heh Jun 20 14:19:50 hi Jun 20 14:20:09 where can i browse the packages available for ARM architectures? Jun 20 14:20:32 packages.ubuntu.com seems to have amd64 and i386 only Jun 20 14:22:42 launchpad Jun 20 14:23:20 generally you can say though that the source package list doesnt differ between x86 and armel, apart from very few arch specific packages like bootloaders Jun 20 14:24:33 http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/natty.html has a list of binaries that didnt build on arm Jun 20 14:24:53 everything else is available on armel as well as on i386 Jun 20 14:28:14 ah.. that's fine Jun 20 14:30:04 http://pastie.org/2096114 Jun 20 14:30:16 Hmm, OMAP 4 headless image hangs there ^^ Jun 20 14:31:58 how big is your SD ? Jun 20 14:32:32 the actual write of the resizing happens after that line, it might take a moment with bigger SDs Jun 20 14:32:50 8 gigs Jun 20 14:32:52 (you should see the LEDs being busy though) Jun 20 14:33:02 Both LEDS are busy Jun 20 14:33:05 :) Jun 20 14:33:09 good Jun 20 14:33:14 then just give it time Jun 20 14:33:17 Will do. Jun 20 14:51:32 lool, yre you planning to drop versatile completely or just the v7 patch ? Jun 20 14:52:51 ogra_: drop it completely Jun 20 14:52:57 good Jun 20 14:53:08 ogra_: essentially, vexpress should be better in all respects Jun 20 14:53:23 in aemu respects too ? :) Jun 20 14:53:25 I'm using vexpress these days, and it's buggy, but I believe the same code is used for versatile, so it should be the same really Jun 20 14:53:30 *qemu Jun 20 14:53:42 Yes; AFAIK it's using the same QEMU drivers Jun 20 14:53:47 for SD, fb etc. Jun 20 14:53:48 ah, awesome Jun 20 14:53:57 but it's not much usable sadly Jun 20 14:54:10 the network corrupts or cuts some packets somehow Jun 20 14:54:14 worse than versatile ? Jun 20 14:54:15 and the SD stalls regularly Jun 20 14:54:22 I don't think it's worse than versatile Jun 20 14:54:25 k Jun 20 14:54:30 oddly, using a Debian userspace makes things better Jun 20 14:54:34 not perfect, but better Jun 20 14:54:37 I think it's just an accident though Jun 20 14:54:57 yeah, i heard the same for the ac100 port, people using debian have less kernel issues it seems Jun 20 14:55:35 heh, that reminds me. I want to get debian working on my AC 100 Jun 20 14:55:38 (we have a kernel bug that makes input devices die, apparently that shows only very rarely on debian userspace with the same kernel binary) Jun 20 14:55:54 (and with similar userspace) Jun 20 14:56:15 jeremiah, just bootstrap a rootfs :) Jun 20 14:57:51 Cool, I'll do that. :-) Jun 20 14:59:10 ogra_: actually something I haven't been able to get straight about the tegra2 Jun 20 14:59:11 where does APX exist Jun 20 14:59:40 bootloader, or bootrom Jun 20 15:00:11 APX ? Jun 20 15:00:56 the mode that nvflash talks to Jun 20 15:01:41 greetings all. Anyone have a moment to help me out with an ubuntu 11.04 installation on beagleboard-xm rev C? Jun 20 15:03:09 in the ac100 thats in rom i think Jun 20 15:04:20 hm cool, I am just wondering about flashing risk, etc. if I fuck a flash on the tab when it is doing the bootloader, I am pretty much left with jtag as my only option, other than taking it to samsung Jun 20 15:04:53 well, if it is set up similar to the ac100 you cant brick it Jun 20 15:05:06 alex12: what issues are you having? Jun 20 15:05:21 even if i screw up the MMC completely i can always get it into flash mode and re-do everything Jun 20 15:05:25 ok thats what I wanted to hear Jun 20 15:05:25 I bricked my tab once, :/ Jun 20 15:05:36 thats why i think its in ROM Jun 20 15:05:40 lilstevie: define 'bricked' Jun 20 15:06:02 ogra_: ok, that tells me what I want to know Jun 20 15:06:30 hrw: as in it was a paper weight Jun 20 15:06:30 hrw: full definition of brick Jun 20 15:06:31 I used canonical's pre-built 11.04 image. Followed instructions to replace uImage and the kernel on the sd-card. Booted the bb-xm rev. c. and a.)colors are off (everything is red) b.) no mouse or keyboard response at the first set-up screen. can't go anywhere. any ideas? Jun 20 15:06:35 returned to samsung to fix Jun 20 15:07:08 alex12: Which image? Netbook or headless? Jun 20 15:07:12 netbook Jun 20 15:07:47 hmmm. Haven't heard of that issue offhand. Unfortunately I don't have one of these newer boards to test with. Jun 20 15:08:10 okay thanks for your time. i'm going to try the 10.10 pre-built now. Jun 20 15:09:53 lilstevie: nice Jun 20 15:10:28 hrw: nice that I am not misusing the term, or nice that the device can be permafucked Jun 20 15:10:30 ? Jun 20 15:13:46 lilstevie: i think he meant "nice" how precisely you defined the term Jun 20 15:14:09 heh Jun 20 15:15:01 yes Jun 20 15:15:21 as lot of people say 'bricked' as 'had to reflash' Jun 20 15:16:21 heh soft-brick Jun 20 15:18:16 the correct definition of "bricked" depends on the equipment that you have available Jun 20 15:19:20 for example an AVR microcontroller can be bricked by disabling the ISP programming interface, but that's only for people who don't have a 12V parallel programmer and a soldering iron Jun 20 15:19:51 so its not bricked :) Jun 20 15:20:13 bricked for me means something you cant fix ... its a brick Jun 20 15:21:07 well that depends on wether "you can't" means "you're unable" or "it's impossible" Jun 20 15:21:20 the latter Jun 20 15:21:47 my tab required a new logic board Jun 20 15:25:25 bricked == have to use jtag or worse - for me Jun 20 15:26:31 hrw: agreed Jun 20 15:26:59 especially when I lack jtag at home ;D Jun 20 15:27:18 I define bricked as fubar'd Jun 20 15:27:31 yeah my jtag does not work on the tab Jun 20 15:27:45 * ogra_ is happy he doesnt have to work with HW you can actually brick atm Jun 20 15:28:13 and i hope that wont change :) Jun 20 15:28:19 heh Jun 20 15:28:47 samsung screwed something with iROM by not giving a method of halting boot to get into a bootrom recovery Jun 20 15:29:04 bitter Jun 20 15:50:18 did my bb-xm just die? I have the 5V adapter (from digikey, recommended supply). just powered on, all I'm getting is the D5 LED solid green, no other activity... Jun 20 15:53:03 Do you have an SD plugged in? Jun 20 15:53:57 yes Jun 20 15:54:23 sounds like bootloader or kernel screwup Jun 20 15:54:42 okay i'll reimage the SD card, thanks! Jun 20 16:49:18 lool: how much mem qemu currently supports for vexpress? 1gb? Jun 20 16:52:11 thats what he wrote in the mail Jun 20 16:53:06 i'm using bb-xm demo image of ubuntu (netbook-minimal-11.04). after doing an apt-get update, I used 'apt-get install ssh' to install the meta-package. ubuntu was in the middle of it when DVI image just went dead... same thing happened the other evening when trying to install xfce. any ideas why i'd lose video? Jun 20 16:58:55 a bug ? Jun 20 16:59:07 (would be my first idea) Jun 20 16:59:09 :) Jun 20 17:11:46 rsalveti: yes Jun 20 17:12:21