**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 02:59:57 2011
Jul 05 05:13:36 <MrCurious> or do i misinterpret
Jul 05 05:13:46 <MrCurious> oops
Jul 05 10:13:59 <kunguz> everytime , I had to call "sudo lxdm" to start desktop session, how do I start automatically at the boot
Jul 05 10:15:14 <woglinde> make an upstart file?
Jul 05 10:15:23 <kunguz> woglinde: how do I do it? :(,
Jul 05 10:17:20 <kunguz> woglinde: is this the file /etc/init.d/rc?
Jul 05 10:17:58 <woglinde> no
Jul 05 10:18:05 <woglinde> look into /etc/init
Jul 05 10:18:16 <woglinde> and learn about how to write an upstart file
Jul 05 10:20:34 <kunguz> woglinde: is this an useful material to learn?
Jul 05 10:20:41 <kunguz> woglinde: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html
Jul 05 10:29:53 <kunguz> one other thing when I start lxde in tv:ntsc mode, nothing is displayed on the screen :(
Jul 05 10:30:07 <woglinde> which screen?
Jul 05 10:30:09 <woglinde> your tv?
Jul 05 10:30:16 <woglinde> kunguz yes for upstart
Jul 05 10:30:29 <woglinde> and there are already enough files to get the clue at /etc/init
Jul 05 10:30:55 <kunguz> woglinde: I am using a pico-projector with a limited resolution 848x480
Jul 05 10:31:13 <woglinde> ?
Jul 05 10:31:19 <kunguz> woglinde: I configured the startup thing, I copied a lxde.conf into the /etc/init
Jul 05 10:31:24 <kunguz> woglinde: it seems to work now
Jul 05 12:18:50 <kunguz> here is my boot script
Jul 05 12:18:52 <kunguz> http://sudrap.org/paste/text/15678/
Jul 05 12:19:27 <kunguz> I can not see lxdm but I can display the non-gui terminal
Jul 05 12:19:58 <kunguz> whenever I call sudo lxdm in the terminal, the display shows nothing with this boot script
Jul 05 12:20:14 <kunguz> but if I modify it to run with dvi then I can display lxdm
Jul 05 12:20:40 <kunguz> any ideas?
Jul 05 12:21:18 <woglinde> problem is that the tv has to support the resolution
Jul 05 12:23:34 <kunguz> woglinde: how do I set a new resolution to lxdm?
Jul 05 12:29:47 <woglinde> dont know
Jul 05 12:30:20 <kunguz> woglinde: thanks anyway, I think I found some way.
Jul 05 15:10:44 <ppisati> ogra_: i'm looking at the ac100 marvin kernel
Jul 05 15:10:59 <ogra_> i'll likely switch to .38 soon with the package
Jul 05 15:11:12 <ppisati> ogra_: in case i compile a new one, install it on the ac100 but it doesn't boot
Jul 05 15:11:16 <ppisati> ogra_: how do i recover?
Jul 05 15:11:17 <ogra_> (currently alpha2 keeps me busy, i plan a new package after that)
Jul 05 15:11:33 <ppisati> ogra_: i would like to rebase everything on top of 3.0
Jul 05 15:11:44 <ogra_> ppisati, there is an SOS image if you hold down "home" on boot and press 1
Jul 05 15:11:57 <ppisati> ogra_: ah yes, you told me
Jul 05 15:11:59 <ogra_> ppisati, we only have graphics drivers against .38 atm
Jul 05 15:12:32 <ppisati> ogra_: you mean the nvidia-graphics-drivers-tegra?
Jul 05 15:13:02 <ogra_> from the SOS image, mount your root disk under /root ... bind mount /dev to /root/dev ... chroot into /root, mount proc and sys ... then you can replace kernel and modules to your liking and just run flash-kernel to put them in place
Jul 05 15:13:10 <ogra_> yes, the nvidia driver
Jul 05 15:13:19 <ogra_> alberto just tries to make it work for us
Jul 05 15:14:02 <ogra_> i'm not sure if it would work with 3.0
Jul 05 15:14:35 <ogra_> *having* 3.0 is surely not bad ... but i wont defualt to it unless i know the driver works
Jul 05 15:15:17 <ppisati> ogra_: ok, i'm fine with it being a fallback
Jul 05 15:15:30 <ogra_> not fallback ... the future ;)
Jul 05 15:15:33 <ppisati> ogra_: if it works and it's good, ok, else go with what we have
Jul 05 15:15:58 <ogra_> you might want to dropy by in #ac100 ... thats where the fun happens ;)
Jul 05 15:16:22 <ppisati> yep
Jul 05 15:16:29 <ppisati> as soon as i start, i'll be there
Jul 05 16:01:29 <brendand> to get output from a server image for pandaboard do i need serial hooked up?
Jul 05 16:01:42 <ogra_> yes
Jul 05 16:02:08 <brendand> dang
Jul 05 16:07:27 <ogra_> you could hack up the cmdline in boot.scr
Jul 05 16:07:40 <ogra_> then it would use the console
Jul 05 16:07:55 <GrueMaster> brendand: You could also use the netboot-fb image to install.
Jul 05 16:08:09 <ogra_> yeah !
Jul 05 16:08:17 <GrueMaster> Requires more bandwidth though.
Jul 05 16:08:36 <brendand> oh i have a ttyS0, just more setup
Jul 05 16:08:39 <brendand> doing it now
Jul 05 16:08:41 <ogra_> and more patience :)
Jul 05 16:09:13 <GrueMaster> Use a straight serial cable.  Not null modem.
Jul 05 16:11:01 <brendand> err, i never did know how to tell the difference
Jul 05 16:11:20 <brendand> is it just both ends have different connections?
Jul 05 16:11:27 <brendand> 1 male/1 female?
Jul 05 16:11:45 <infinity> Null modem cables have crossed-over pins.
Jul 05 16:11:51 <ogra_> its about the wiring of the pins
Jul 05 16:11:58 <infinity> If you didn't buy or make one specifically for the purpose, you don't have one.
Jul 05 16:12:39 <brendand> anyway - is 115200 8N1 okay for settings?
Jul 05 16:13:02 <infinity> Yup.
Jul 05 16:14:51 <brendand> getting stuff through minicom now
Jul 05 16:14:55 <brendand> thanks folks
Jul 05 16:15:02 <brendand> was relatively painless
Jul 05 16:15:41 <GrueMaster> We like it that way.  :P
Jul 05 16:16:11 <ogra_> :)
Jul 05 16:20:33 <brendand> why's the text all weird?
Jul 05 16:20:40 <brendand> full of question marks
Jul 05 16:20:49 <infinity> Because minicom is a lousy terminal emulator.
Jul 05 16:20:58 <brendand> thought so
Jul 05 16:21:03 <brendand> recommend?
Jul 05 16:21:07 <brendand> screen?
Jul 05 16:21:48 <NekoXP> PuTTY :)
Jul 05 16:21:56 <infinity> screen works well.
Jul 05 16:24:36 <infinity> Should "just work" with something like "screen /dev/ttyS0" (or whatever your serial port is)
Jul 05 16:25:17 <infinity> You could tack a 115200 on the end of that if it seems to be doing the wrong thing.
Jul 05 16:26:50 <brendand> last question
Jul 05 16:27:05 <brendand> should i be able to do a server install with just wifi?
Jul 05 16:27:20 <brendand> or do i need ethernet (which i can get if needed)
Jul 05 16:27:59 <infinity> The server image has enough glue to get your wifi going, probably.  But ethernet's always less hassle (except for the cable)
Jul 05 16:28:55 <ogra_> i dont think we have wireless-tools seeded in minimal
Jul 05 16:29:38 <infinity> It's minimal and standard.
Jul 05 16:29:44 <infinity> Most of the glue should be in standard.
Jul 05 16:30:13 <infinity> Although... Maybe not anymore.  I might be living in the past.
Jul 05 16:30:26 <ogra_> yeah
Jul 05 16:30:29 <infinity> brendand: Either way, real servers have wires sticking out of them. ;)
Jul 05 16:30:34 <ogra_> lol
Jul 05 16:30:42 <ogra_> glorious change of mind
Jul 05 16:31:13 <infinity> (wireless-tools are seeded in server, so this goes away when I get the pool on the server image)
Jul 05 16:31:24 <ogra_> yeah
Jul 05 16:31:58 <ogra_> though pool doesnt mean installed ... that might need some preseed glue
Jul 05 16:32:21 <infinity> We don't want it installed by default anyway, do we?
Jul 05 16:32:29 <infinity> Just there, "in case someone wants it".
Jul 05 16:32:51 <ogra_> well, its would be nice to install it on certain platforms ...
Jul 05 16:33:08 <ogra_> i.e. the panda ...
Jul 05 16:33:19 <infinity> The panda has perfectly functional wired ethernet...
Jul 05 16:33:29 <infinity> Maybe if you find something that ONLY has wireless, I'll hear your argument.
Jul 05 16:33:51 <ogra_> k :)
Jul 05 16:34:03 <infinity> It's not like wireless in D-I is any more pleasant an experience.
Jul 05 16:34:11 <infinity> Not if WPA is involved (which it usually is these days)
Jul 05 16:34:22 <ogra_> as long as we use oem-config life is a bit easier ;)
Jul 05 16:35:34 <ogra_> we could use nm-cli :)
Jul 05 16:35:43 * ogra_ ducks in case a server guy reads that
Jul 05 16:35:53 * infinity smacks ogra.
Jul 05 16:36:58 <brendand> ICS to the rescue
Jul 05 16:37:20 <infinity> Nevermind the other reasons that NM on minimal systems smacks of icky (most of which go away when dbus moves to kernel space some day), but nm-cli is also lacking enough features to be useful.
Jul 05 16:37:49 <ogra_> there is a fully working cli client
Jul 05 16:37:57 <ogra_> probably called differently
Jul 05 16:38:14 <infinity> nm-cli definitely isn't "fully working", but maybe someone's written something better.
Jul 05 16:38:25 <infinity> (I mean, it works, for certain simple use-cases, but it's not "fully working")
Jul 05 16:38:33 <ogra_> there was something in universe ... not sure it still exists
Jul 05 16:40:05 <ogra_> cnetworkmanager iirc
Jul 05 16:40:11 <ogra_> grmbl ...
Jul 05 16:40:24 * ogra_ curses the nvidia driver ... corrupted fonts again
Jul 05 17:36:23 <lilstevie> ogra_: wifi is being a bloody whore on the transformer :(
Jul 05 17:36:53 <ogra_> heh
Jul 05 17:36:58 <ogra_> seems a tegra illness
Jul 05 17:37:07 <ogra_> ac100 had longstanding probs too
Jul 05 17:38:18 <lilstevie> how did you solve your problems
Jul 05 17:38:41 <lilstevie> I can get the occasional scan to work but never connect
Jul 05 17:39:20 <ogra_> better drivers
Jul 05 17:39:26 <lilstevie> heh
Jul 05 17:39:42 <ogra_> porting bits and pieces from compat-wireless etc ...
Jul 05 17:39:56 <ogra_> ask woglinde and marvin24 ... they did all of that
Jul 05 17:40:13 <ogra_> what chipset are you doomed with ?
Jul 05 17:40:49 <lilstevie> bcm4329
Jul 05 17:41:02 <ogra_> ouch
Jul 05 17:41:31 <ogra_> at least one that leaves you multiple driver options to tyr
Jul 05 17:41:54 <lilstevie> driver is identical to a working one
Jul 05 17:42:00 <lilstevie> I don't get it
Jul 05 17:44:11 <ogra_> try playing with the power options
Jul 05 17:44:22 <ogra_> (i.e. in iwconfig)
Jul 05 17:44:34 <ogra_> and check for rfkill
Jul 05 17:45:36 <lilstevie> rfkill is only on the bluetooth part of the chipset
Jul 05 17:46:43 <lilstevie> I must be overlooking something small, cause the guy who couldn't even figure out the mountpoints is claiming to have found the problem
Jul 05 21:13:33 <brendand> anyone noticed that USB ports are broken on panda with the Alpha2 candidate image?
Jul 05 21:14:34 <ogra_> brendand, GrueMaster just did, yeah
Jul 05 21:14:48 <brendand> GrueMaster - got a bug number?
Jul 05 21:14:55 <GrueMaster> Pffft.  Who needs usb?
Jul 05 21:15:00 <brendand> me?
Jul 05 21:15:12 <GrueMaster> Bug #791552
Jul 05 21:15:14 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 791552 in linux-ti-omap4 "No USB support on beagle/beagleXM" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791552
Jul 05 21:15:15 <brendand> also ethernet seems broken
Jul 05 21:15:15 <ogra_> just use a GPIO and morse code
Jul 05 21:15:24 <ogra_> who needs keyboards
Jul 05 21:15:48 <GrueMaster> brendand: eth0 is on the usb bus.
Jul 05 21:16:31 <brendand> used to work with natty
Jul 05 21:16:40 <GrueMaster> Hey, we have two leds that can be reprogrammed.  Those plus a web cam can be engineered to act as a data transmission system.
Jul 05 21:16:46 <ogra_> ah, the good old times, yeah
Jul 05 21:16:58 <GrueMaster> brendand: New gcc exposes this issue.
Jul 05 21:16:59 <ogra_> natty ... when we were young
Jul 05 21:17:21 <GrueMaster> natty kernel fails when built with this gcc.
Jul 05 21:18:59 <GrueMaster> Also, the 20110705 server images work (as they have an older kernel).
Jul 05 23:49:39 <MrCurious_> gruemaster: whats the gcc version that works for the natty kernel and un-exposes some of the bugs?
Jul 06 00:15:03 <GrueMaster> MrCurious: Natty uses gcc 4.5 which works.  Oneiric uses 4.6
Jul 06 01:07:47 <MrCurious> gruemaster: ohhh, then thats not the cause of the 2x diff in usb speed between 10.10 and 11.04
Jul 06 01:08:17 <GrueMaster> No, that is another issue.  Not sure what, but it is another issue.
Jul 06 01:08:30 <GrueMaster> Possibly slightly related, but I don't know.
Jul 06 01:08:32 <MrCurious> ok, ty :D
Jul 06 01:08:44 <MrCurious> color me super-interested in that 2x speed issue
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