**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 29 02:59:56 2011
Jul 29 06:13:20 <lilstevie> persia: you around?
Jul 29 08:36:50 <persia> lilstevie: Am now.
Jul 29 08:39:14 <lilstevie> persia: I am just looking at building kpkgs
Jul 29 08:40:05 <lilstevie> and building one for the transformer
Jul 29 08:43:54 <persia> I usually recommend starting with https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/PackageYourOwnKernel
Jul 29 08:44:33 <persia> jcrigby has a fairly flexible packaging branch that you can merge to get things working.
Jul 29 08:45:39 <lilstevie> ok
Jul 29 08:45:46 <persia> Take care to look through it, and make sure that you've set the flavour correctly in all the places it appears (reading the build log the first couple times should highlight some obvious ones, and running dpkg --info on the result packages will show most other bits that have issues.
Jul 29 08:46:46 <lilstevie> cool
Jul 29 08:46:47 <lilstevie> :)
Jul 29 08:49:58 <persia> jcrigby is usually around on this channel: I'd recommend trying to catch him in your morning though, given timezones.
Jul 29 08:50:27 <persia> Or I'm happy to look at things :)
Jul 29 08:52:14 <lilstevie> :)
Jul 29 08:52:58 <lilstevie> well I am just cloning into a seperate folder from my actively used directory so that it doesn't get messed up :)
Jul 29 08:53:14 <lilstevie> persia: things are coming together nicely though :)
Jul 29 08:59:39 <persia> Excellent!
Jul 29 09:13:31 <lilstevie> persia: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1191141 && http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1072-ubuntu-on-the-transformer/ <-- :0
Jul 29 09:13:35 <lilstevie> same release
Jul 29 09:13:36 <lilstevie> :p
Jul 29 09:16:50 <persia> Firstly, I'll rcommend explicitly listing the license for that code, indicating what folk who get it from you can do with it.
Jul 29 09:17:39 <persia> Ideally, you'll pick something that we can put in Ubuntu: I'd really like to be able to generate an image for that fairly easily, so we can maybe include it in the next release.
Jul 29 09:18:24 <lilstevie> persia: there is no licence available for nvflash
Jul 29 09:18:41 <persia> There is a license, but it doesn't permit redistribution.
Jul 29 09:18:59 <persia> But you want to express a license for *your* code.
Jul 29 09:20:13 <lilstevie> in that pack the only code of mine is 1 line in the kernel which changes the behaviour of a button on the keyboard dock
Jul 29 09:20:39 <persia> Also, you reference a PPA: do you especially want a PPA, or should we just put it in Ubuntu proper?
Jul 29 09:20:59 <persia> Ah, heh, for one line of code, if you don't care, then just file a bug :)
Jul 29 09:21:45 <lilstevie> heh
Jul 29 09:22:02 <lilstevie> most of this took linux nicely just needed tweaks to configs
Jul 29 09:22:31 <lilstevie> well putting in ubuntu proper overall would work, just in the mean time for bt and wifi fixes
Jul 29 09:23:05 <lilstevie> currently bluetooth works but I want it to be a package thus using ppa, and wifi, well that is going to be an active piece of development
Jul 29 09:28:09 <persia> If a package can *exist* (even buggy) and be uploaded by 11th August, we can get it included in oneiric, and keep fixing bugs until sometime in September (depending on the bug and the risk of regressions).
Jul 29 09:28:46 <persia> We can then backport that to the 11.04 release, to make sure that users of the current release are also supported.
Jul 29 09:28:51 <lilstevie> persia: the bt stuff is a bit sketchy though
Jul 29 09:29:10 <persia> That's OK.  It's not like we're stiving to have transformer support in the default image set for oneiric.
Jul 29 09:29:11 <lilstevie> cause it also needs the firmware
Jul 29 09:29:23 <lilstevie> no I mean it works :p
Jul 29 09:29:25 <lilstevie> it is firmware
Jul 29 09:29:27 <lilstevie> same as wifi
Jul 29 09:29:40 <lilstevie> I'm not 100% sure on the distribution rights
Jul 29 09:29:43 <persia> What's the license on the firmware?  In general, if you can put it in a PPA, you can probably put it in multiverse (unless you're paying for the PPA)
Jul 29 09:30:04 <lilstevie> well I wasn't going to put it on the ppa either
Jul 29 09:30:09 <persia> Double-check.  If we can't redistribute, we can'T do a PPA either, because we don't have teh right to upload to the PPA.
Jul 29 09:30:13 <persia> Oh, heh :)
Jul 29 09:30:42 <lilstevie> what I have at the moment is extracting from an android system image and injecting
Jul 29 09:30:46 <lilstevie> post install
Jul 29 09:31:18 <persia> So, expecting the user to already have the firmware available in their andoid install?
Jul 29 09:31:26 <persia> Did you put that in the postinst?
Jul 29 09:31:57 <lilstevie> no I have been telling people to do it :p
Jul 29 09:32:24 <lilstevie> because if you flash pure linux there is no android install on device
Jul 29 09:32:27 <persia> So, there7s a tool for that :)
Jul 29 09:32:39 <lilstevie> heh
Jul 29 09:32:39 <persia> Right, so here's a sketch implemetnation
Jul 29 09:33:16 <persia> Add debconf support to the package, and ask the user if they have a dual install, and if so, where to find android (medium priority)
Jul 29 09:33:40 <persia> Set a default for that question that matches the results of running your installer on an unmodified retail image.
Jul 29 09:34:16 <persia> THen, in the postinst, check to see if the firmware is available already.  If not, check if the user told you there was a dual install, and if so, get the firmware from there.
Jul 29 09:34:59 <persia> If there is no firmware already loaded, and there is no dual-install from which to get the firmware, notify the user (again, via debconf) that you were unable to find the firmware, and point them at instructions for extracting it themselves.
Jul 29 09:35:25 <lilstevie> heh
Jul 29 09:35:33 <lilstevie> that would do it
Jul 29 09:35:37 <lilstevie> http://pastie.org/2288888
Jul 29 09:35:46 <lilstevie> ^^ wifi firmware licence
Jul 29 09:36:30 <persia> 2.2 meets the requirements for multiverse.
Jul 29 09:37:19 <persia> Basically, that states that we'll only redistribute it unmodified and under the same license terms, and that the redistributor promises to take responsibility if they break this rule.
Jul 29 09:37:59 <lilstevie> ok
Jul 29 09:38:05 <lilstevie> good to know
Jul 29 09:38:44 <lilstevie> I believe the bt firmware would be the same, although I haven't been able to find the licence agreement for that, it is on the same silicon
Jul 29 09:39:16 <persia> Mind you, I'm not an archive admin, so my opinion isn't authoritative, but that it's a "restriction on distribution" clause, rather than a "no distribution" clause, and seems to say something like "If you redistribute this, be sure the recipient can'T tell the difference between what they get from Broadcom and what they get from you", it seems like it ought be OK.
Jul 29 09:39:41 <lilstevie> ok
Jul 29 09:39:47 <persia> Unfortunately, we need to get a license, because the terms of that license require the distribution of the license for any redistribution.
Jul 29 09:39:56 <lilstevie> yeah
Jul 29 09:45:21 <lilstevie> check-config is failing
Jul 29 09:45:28 <lilstevie> http://pastie.org/2288934
Jul 29 09:49:30 <persia> I'm not that familiar with check-config: you may need to change some things to be modular, or make sure you hit minimum limits.
Jul 29 09:49:51 <lilstevie> ah ok
Jul 29 09:49:57 <persia> Also, check the n900 or ac100 kernels: maybe there's a workaround in one of those (or some clue that mayhelp)
Jul 29 10:22:22 <lilstevie> fixed it up :p
Jul 29 10:22:47 <persia> Cool!
Jul 29 10:22:47 <lilstevie> reading the instructions helped :p next instructions delt with it
Jul 29 10:22:50 <persia> What was wrong?
Jul 29 10:22:54 <persia> Heh :)
Jul 29 10:23:02 <lilstevie> well it is expected
Jul 29 10:23:06 <lilstevie> thats all :p
Jul 29 10:23:43 <lilstevie> made the changes and the only 2 things that had to be commented out were apparmor and ram_size
Jul 29 10:25:11 <persia> Not much we can do about ram size, but why doesn't apparmor work?
Jul 29 10:25:18 <persia> Did you merge in the ubuntu sauce branch?
Jul 29 10:26:36 <lilstevie> heh not that it doesnt work I just haven't fixed up that part of the config yet
Jul 29 10:27:20 <lilstevie> fixed that up now
Jul 29 10:27:23 <persia> Ah, OK.
Jul 29 10:28:50 <lilstevie> building now :)
Jul 29 10:50:49 <kapinter> Hi! What kind of toolchain is used to compile ubuntu-arm?
Jul 29 11:11:27 <janimo> ppisati, the new 3.0 panda kernel should have good wireless support?
Jul 29 11:11:36 <janimo> the one in oneiric
Jul 29 11:23:48 <ppisati> janimo: uhm, i guess it
Jul 29 11:24:01 <ppisati> janimo: but never really tried it since i don't have antennas for it
Jul 29 11:24:32 <janimo> ppisati, hmm I thought it should work w/o antennas too. I never mounted any antenna on the panda.
Jul 29 11:24:52 <janimo> anyway will test. I dislike running a long ethernet cable through the room for the panda only
Jul 29 11:25:21 <janimo> it worked at one point in natty but was flakey. Need to make sure it works without a need for software from PPAs
Jul 29 11:26:07 <ppisati> janimo: k, let me know then
Jul 29 11:31:02 <hrw> janimo: 3.0 linaro works on panda with wireless
Jul 29 11:31:18 <hrw> without antenna I got 4Mbps from AP under panda
Jul 29 12:07:23 <janimo> hrw, stock packages from the archives only right?
Jul 29 12:29:03 <hrw> janimo: let me check
Jul 29 12:29:16 <hrw> heh. panda rootfs died
Jul 29 12:30:07 <hrw> linux-image-3.0.0-1402-linaro-lt-omap_3.0.0-1402.3~ppa~natty_armel.deb sounds like non ubuntu package
Jul 29 12:43:35 <gsedej_work> hi! I want to compile ubuntu for Pandaboard, because i need some driver. Panda boots form SD, ubunzu needs 4GB, but I only have 2
Jul 29 12:44:27 <gsedej_work> should I follow this instructions?
Jul 29 12:44:27 <gsedej_work> http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_kernel_for_OMAP4
Jul 29 13:45:22 <lilstevie> persia: hit another error I cant figure this one out though :/
Jul 29 14:18:48 <zul> pandaboard is omap4 right?
Jul 29 14:45:57 <GrueMaster> zul: correct.
Jul 29 14:53:28 <persia> lilstevie: What error?
Jul 29 14:53:50 <lilstevie> http://pastie.org/2290069
Jul 29 14:58:06 <lilstevie> persia: I am trying a start again approach
Jul 29 14:58:18 <lilstevie> seems to be what to do
Jul 29 15:00:12 <persia> lilstevie: Yeah, that's probably how I'd handle the same issue.  No idea why it suddenly stopped working.
Jul 29 15:00:49 <lilstevie> persia: well seems to be a common fix to the issue
Jul 29 15:02:16 <persia> :)
Jul 29 15:17:16 <lilstevie> issue fixed :)
Jul 29 15:17:45 <persia> \o/
Jul 29 15:18:06 <lilstevie> now I just need to modify flash_kernel for my hardware :p
Jul 29 15:18:56 <persia> linux + flash-kernel + d-i is usually the enablement set
Jul 29 15:19:25 <persia> well, if you can use the vendor bootloader.  If you can't, then you need that as well.
Jul 29 15:19:26 <lilstevie> d-i?
Jul 29 15:19:48 <lilstevie> I am using the vendor bootloader
Jul 29 15:20:23 <persia> d-i is debian-installer.  Every installer we write is eventually refaactored to be based on d-i, because all the problems are already solved there.
Jul 29 15:21:08 <lilstevie> ah
Jul 29 15:22:04 <persia> (or well, for the problems not solved there, solving them there ends up solving them for all the different installers)
Jul 29 15:23:35 <lilstevie> heh
Jul 29 15:23:43 <lilstevie> well flash-kernel is somewhat of a tough nut
Jul 29 15:24:13 <lilstevie> I'm not happy with the hardcoded nature
Jul 29 15:24:53 <persia> Yeah.  lool keeps talking about redesigning it to be sane, but it's a hard problem.
Jul 29 15:25:34 <persia> Ideally, we'd like a generic solution for all fastboot devices, but feel free to hardcode it for now.
Jul 29 15:25:59 <persia> I thikn ogra landed hist ac100 stanza in oneiric: if not, you can pull it from his PPA.
Jul 29 15:26:31 <lilstevie> the problem is once we solve the issue of uploading to a 0x808 type partition with nvflash without having to set a size tag for it there will only be 3 partitions in 1 configuration vs the 10 in an android dualboot config
Jul 29 15:27:06 <persia> Right.
Jul 29 15:27:26 <lilstevie> 0x808 tells nvflash to fill to the end of the partition minus $SIZE fwiw
Jul 29 15:27:45 <persia> My general strategy is to apply a hack that works today (assuming I'm not breaking someone else's stuff), and then fix it once the necessary blockers are out of the way.
Jul 29 15:28:03 <lilstevie> so setting size large enough means having the img size unallocated at the end of the emmc
Jul 29 15:28:14 <lilstevie> heh well today hacking it in hardcoded will work
Jul 29 15:28:28 <persia> Blocking on the right solution tends to make it hard to get the first draft working.
Jul 29 15:28:43 <persia> Yep :)
Jul 29 15:29:54 <suihkulokki> flash-kernel has ended up bein used in many more kinds of devices not originally planned
Jul 29 15:30:49 <suihkulokki> or well, it was never planned. it was just a script to get kernels and initramfs to nas device nand flashes
Jul 29 15:31:02 <persia> suihkulokki: Indeed.  IT has (sadly) become a generic means of placing kernels, rather than just writing to flash for certain devices.
Jul 29 15:31:49 <lilstevie> heh
Jul 29 15:32:06 <persia> What do you think about requesting u-boot-installer and fastboot-installer (to parallel lilo-installer, grub-installer, etc.), at least for those platforms that these support?
Jul 29 15:32:34 <lilstevie> well I still need something like it, cause of making the bootimg
Jul 29 15:32:58 <persia> lilstevie: RIght, but for non-ARM, we tend to have bootloader-specific scripts, each of which is fairly generic
Jul 29 15:33:10 <lilstevie> ha
Jul 29 15:34:24 <lilstevie> ah*
Jul 29 15:59:31 <lilstevie> persia: http://pastie.org/2290481 <-- kernel packed
Jul 29 16:02:38 <charlie-tca> Are we going to have the Xubuntu armel51 images for A3 ?
Jul 29 16:03:04 * charlie-tca won't be disappointed to not have them yet
Jul 29 16:04:43 <persia> lilstevie: Wonderful!!!  Post the .dsc (and all the files referenced in the .dsc) somewhere we-baccessible, and I'll pull, review, and upload as soon as I get a chance.
Jul 29 16:05:27 <persia> charlie-tca: THere's some issues related to the mx5 images.  At least the patches I wrote that were supposed to generate them ended up with the screen not working (I've been working on graphics drivers this week).
Jul 29 16:05:31 <lilstevie> persia: I am repacking with a things changed
Jul 29 16:05:50 <persia> charlie-tca: I have heard of others working on mx5 images, but haven'T seen anyone be successful yet.
Jul 29 16:06:01 <lilstevie> persia: do you also want a source package?
Jul 29 16:06:03 <charlie-tca> Thanks for not forgetting us, persia
Jul 29 16:06:05 <persia> So, I'd say, very unlikely for A3
Jul 29 16:06:18 <persia> lilstevie: .dsc+references files == source package (yes)
Jul 29 16:06:22 <charlie-tca> No problem. Just have to check once in while
Jul 29 16:06:29 <lilstevie> ok :)
Jul 29 16:06:51 <persia> charlie-tca: Never :)  Although I'm not sure I'll run Xubuntu on my mx5 hardware, the problem in generating the images is the same for all flavours.
Jul 29 16:07:15 <lilstevie> persia: launchpad prefered?
Jul 29 16:07:22 <lilstevie> or anywhere
Jul 29 16:11:05 <persia> lilstevie: I don't really care: I just want them all in the same place, so I can get them in a single virtual directory over http or https
Jul 29 16:11:41 <lilstevie> so not in a tarball then? :p
Jul 29 16:12:39 <persia> If you especially want: a tarball is harder for me to download.
Jul 29 16:13:05 * persia uses dget to get packages, which auto-unpacks stuff, whereas a tarball has to be downloaded, unpacked, then unpacked agin, etc.
Jul 29 16:13:15 <lilstevie> its cool,
Jul 29 16:13:34 <lilstevie> I enabled directory browsing over http
Jul 29 16:14:05 <persia> Didn't need that, as long as they were all in teh same directory.
Jul 29 16:18:23 <lilstevie> heh
Jul 29 16:35:23 <lilstevie> persia: uploading now
Jul 29 16:36:49 <persia> Cool.
Jul 29 16:37:25 <persia> Now that you're less distracted, I should probably ask you about the tab kernel.
Jul 29 16:38:13 <lilstevie> heh I was wondering if you were going to ask about that
Jul 29 16:38:48 <lilstevie> now that I have the process for generating this down I will get that one set too,
Jul 29 16:40:33 <lilstevie> we have the 10.1 working now
Jul 29 16:40:48 <lilstevie> like same bug with the touchscreen
Jul 29 16:40:51 <lilstevie> but :)
Jul 29 16:42:52 <persia> That's OK.  Software always has bugs.  Let's get it in the repo before the deadline, and then, if ywe're lucky, we'll have users, and we can get more input to fix the bugs.
Jul 29 16:44:45 <lilstevie> :)
Jul 29 16:51:52 <fisuk> hmm.. i'm trying to use gst-launch to play some video, but i'm only able to get non-accelered stuff to show (via fbdevsink)... using v4l2sink shows only black screen
Jul 29 16:52:10 <fisuk> what am i missing?
Jul 29 16:56:15 <persia> lilstevie: I'm getting told me move, but please post the URL, and I'll pull it as soon as I'm sitting somewhere again.
Jul 29 16:58:37 <lilstevie> http://lilstevie.geek.nz/kernelsrc
Jul 29 16:58:50 <lilstevie> upload will finish in about 15 minutes
Jul 29 17:16:09 <lilstevie> persia: ok it is up,
Jul 29 17:51:15 <mynameisdeleted> live ubuntu arm image I can save to the sdcard of my atrix4g phone?
Jul 29 17:51:25 <mynameisdeleted> I just wish to run apps... it already has an x-server and linux-arm boot scripts
Jul 29 17:51:29 <mynameisdeleted> and linux kernel etc
Jul 29 17:56:14 <mynameisdeleted> ubuntu-arm livecd or qemu image?
Jul 29 18:07:38 <GrueMaster> mynameisdeleted: You might have some luck with our new Ubuntu-Core image as a chroot environment.  From it, you can apt-get install all of the ubuntu-Arm packages. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/
Jul 29 18:08:34 <GrueMaster> It is Oneiric based, so there may be some instabilities, but this is one of the use-cases that we designed this image for.
Jul 29 18:08:47 <GrueMaster> (chroot environment that is).
Jul 29 18:10:51 <mynameisdeleted> and I use mont --bind to share /tmp and X11 sockets and such with hostos as well as /proc etc
Jul 29 18:11:02 <mynameisdeleted> and then the chrooted apps dont know the xserver pre-installed is on a different root
Jul 29 18:12:27 <mynameisdeleted> 802.11n built into phone is cool
Jul 29 18:12:39 <mynameisdeleted> as is dual-core 1ghz arm processor and 1GB ram
Jul 29 18:12:57 <mynameisdeleted> I dont think most arm netbooks have more than 1 core at 1ghx
Jul 29 18:13:05 <mynameisdeleted> nore do most atom netbooks
Jul 29 18:13:21 <GrueMaster> Not sure how to resolve dependency issues.  But if you have a big enough SD (2-4G minimum), having duplicate binaries won't be an issue.  It won't try to relaunch an X session.
Jul 29 18:13:42 <mynameisdeleted> so for ubuntu.... intel atom vs arm risc processor?
Jul 29 18:13:45 <mynameisdeleted> which is better chocie?
Jul 29 18:14:14 <steev_> depends on what you want to do
Jul 29 18:14:30 <mynameisdeleted> I guess arm is slower but uses less power?
Jul 29 18:14:42 <mynameisdeleted> not sure about 1ghz dual-core arm though
Jul 29 18:14:46 <steev_> an a8 is ~20% slower than an atom
Jul 29 18:14:48 <mynameisdeleted> vs single-core atom
Jul 29 18:15:01 <GrueMaster> Again, it really depends.  Video playback is very comparable.
Jul 29 18:15:04 <steev_> a8 at 800mhz
Jul 29 18:15:09 <steev_> single-core atom
Jul 29 18:15:15 <steev_> running at 1.6
Jul 29 18:15:40 <mynameisdeleted> I have olympus made 2 core arm processor at 1 ghz precisely and 2000 bogomips
Jul 29 18:16:07 <mynameisdeleted> hwo does 1ghz armv7 core comapre to 1.6 ghz atom core?
Jul 29 18:16:12 <suihkulokki> bogomips = bogus mips
Jul 29 18:17:56 <GrueMaster> mynameisdeleted: There are a lot of benchmarks that show pluses & minuses for each arch.  If you plan on running games, you may be out of luck.  But for video playback (with accelerated drivers), they are very comparable.  Also web usage and OpenOffice are fairly close.
Jul 29 18:18:47 <GrueMaster> It is really hard to compare without a specific task and as close to equivalent hardware configuration.
Jul 29 18:19:22 <GrueMaster> For example, Atom with Dual SATA raid will clobber arm with eMMC.
Jul 29 18:19:47 <mynameisdeleted> openoffice + web browsing I think
Jul 29 18:20:17 <mynameisdeleted> will class10 32GB sdcard with 20MB/s read sustained and 10MB/s write sustained be comperable to sata?
Jul 29 18:20:26 <GrueMaster> Then you should see similar performance, albeit with longer battery life on arm.
Jul 29 18:20:49 <mynameisdeleted> how does class10 flash memory comapre in performance to a traditional drive?
Jul 29 18:21:13 <mynameisdeleted> if it sustains 20MB/s read and 10MB/s write
Jul 29 18:21:13 <GrueMaster> It depends on the SD implementation on your system.  I have seen dismal performance on some high speed SD cards.
Jul 29 18:21:25 <mynameisdeleted> so it could be good or could be bad
Jul 29 18:21:33 <GrueMaster> And I don't know of any SD that compares to SATA.
Jul 29 18:21:47 <mynameisdeleted> it will be an experiment
Jul 29 18:21:58 <GrueMaster> Most are designed for high speed sequential reads/writes.  Linux is more random.
Jul 29 18:21:59 <mynameisdeleted> many solid-state drives blow sata out of water
Jul 29 18:22:07 <mynameisdeleted> ahhh
Jul 29 18:22:29 <Neko> mynameisdeleted, SD card performance for the vast majority of systems will absolutely suck compared to any SATA drive
Jul 29 18:22:30 <mynameisdeleted> but there are flash-based filesystems that are more optimized for using sequences when possible
Jul 29 18:22:57 <mynameisdeleted> a better choice of filesystem might make sd performance more acceptable
Jul 29 18:23:32 <GrueMaster> The flash filesystems are still in heavy development, but are greatly improved over traditional (ext3) filesystems.
Jul 29 18:23:37 <mynameisdeleted> is internal memory likely faster than microsd?
Jul 29 18:24:15 <mynameisdeleted> on flash a read can be random .. just not a write right?
Jul 29 18:24:24 <GrueMaster> I have experimented with btrfs & nilfs.  For other reasons, we are not using them in our default SD images, but we are keeping a close watch on their progress.
Jul 29 18:24:26 <Neko> usually ext4 and btrfs are a lot faster on SD card
Jul 29 18:24:27 <mynameisdeleted> or boht read and write work better sequentially?
Jul 29 18:24:45 <Neko> it's mostly about mballoc and copy on write features, it reduces the load
Jul 29 18:24:53 <Neko> ext3 on an SD card is abysmal
Jul 29 18:25:06 <mynameisdeleted> so ext4 is the most stable sd choice that will work well
Jul 29 18:25:14 <GrueMaster> If you want a simple test, use bonnie++ to do filesystem benchmarking.
Jul 29 18:25:14 <Neko> that's what we ship on the Efika
Jul 29 18:25:32 <mynameisdeleted> can that be an ext4 disk image saved ontop a fat file system?
Jul 29 18:25:38 <mynameisdeleted> or is ti better to partition an sd-card?
Jul 29 18:25:44 <Neko> you want to partition it
Jul 29 18:25:49 <Neko> either use the full card so the filesystem starts at 0
Jul 29 18:26:00 <Neko> or if you partition it, make the partition starts aligned to 4MB
Jul 29 18:26:09 <Neko> that seems to be the best case for performance
Jul 29 18:26:32 <mynameisdeleted> so when my 32GB class10 card copmes in I'll format/install it from my mac
Jul 29 18:26:35 <Neko> (otherwise, MBR takes up 512 bytes and the filesystem is kind of 512 to 4 kilobytes out of alignment)
Jul 29 18:26:41 <mynameisdeleted> and set it up as an ubuntu arm drive
Jul 29 18:26:56 <Neko> you end up doing twice as much work to write a block than you would otherwise if it was aligned
Jul 29 18:27:17 <mynameisdeleted> I can make the mbr take exactly 4MB though right?
Jul 29 18:27:29 <mynameisdeleted> and then the ext4 starts in right place
Jul 29 18:28:29 <Neko> do something like parted /dev/mmcblk0 -anone and then mkpart primary 4M 100%
Jul 29 18:29:47 <mynameisdeleted> how hard is it to make x-sever use built in display in multitouch mode rather than use external hdmi?
Jul 29 18:29:57 <mynameisdeleted> I guess thats called find an x-server app for andoird
Jul 29 18:31:27 <mynameisdeleted> also there problaably is no ubuntu version for mobile phone... only for netbooka nd maybe tablet
Jul 29 18:31:43 <mynameisdeleted> as long as it uses a keyboard and a real display ubuntu is fine
Jul 29 18:32:07 <mynameisdeleted> I can run a terminal emulator on the phone for commandline stuff outside that
Jul 29 18:45:06 <persia> lilstevie: Pulling now.  Thanks.
Jul 29 19:00:53 <steev_> mynameisdeleted: you might want to look into utouch
Jul 29 19:01:33 <mynameisdeleted> I might do that
Jul 29 19:43:32 <janimo> rsalveti, do you know if the TI firmware package is still used with the omap4 wlan driver that is in the kernel? AIUI the driver from the PPA is no longer needed, but firmware should still be there :)
Jul 29 20:45:33 <rsalveti> janimo: firmware should come now from the linux-firmware package
Jul 29 20:45:37 <rsalveti> it's all upstream afaik
Jul 29 20:47:34 <janimo> rsalveti, ah you're right. I found the ti-connectivity binaries in a git repo with all firmware, but forgot there's one package for all firmwares now. thanks
Jul 29 21:02:35 <GrueMaster> janimo: The wlan firmware has been part of the linux-firmware since Natty.  It is in the desktop images by default, but not in the headless/server images.
Jul 29 21:07:24 <janimo> GrueMaster, that may explain my wifi woes on my headless panda. But I hope I'll put an end to them now that I know what to look for
Jul 29 21:08:37 <GrueMaster> Yea, I haven't gotten it to work fully on headless in a while, but forgot what I had to install to get it working.  Not really a high priority image test.
Jul 29 21:26:49 <janimo> of course if instead of firmware not found errors, the panda locks up when ifup wlan0 is called is progess, just not the kind I hoped for
Jul 29 21:51:20 <rsalveti> janimo: which kernel, 3?
Jul 29 21:51:41 <janimo> rsalveti, yes. But after a reboot it did not hang anymore
Jul 29 21:51:47 <rsalveti> hm
Jul 29 21:51:50 <janimo> so hung twice but now seems ok
Jul 29 21:53:32 <GrueMaster> I'm running the daily desktop on one system with 3.0 kernel and wifi is fine there.  I'm in the process of reimaging my cluster of 4 server systems, will bang on one as soon as it is up to see what may be missing.
Jul 29 21:53:39 <janimo> cannot ping it again. Will debug in the weekend
Jul 29 21:59:26 <GrueMaster> Ok, that was easy.  sudo apt-get install wireless-tools;sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid grue-net2 ; sudo dhclient wlan0
Jul 29 21:59:55 <GrueMaster> Currently ping flooding it now.
Jul 29 22:02:40 <GrueMaster> janimo: What image were you running?
Jul 29 22:03:00 <janimo> GrueMaster, an old natty dist-upgraded and full of cruft
Jul 29 22:03:11 <janimo> on a USB external disk
Jul 29 22:03:17 <janimo> my ARM build machine
Jul 29 22:04:26 <GrueMaster> Ah.  This is oneiric.  I could try from my SRU tester.  I put Maverick, Natty, and Oneiric on separate partitions of one usb drive for easy SRU testing.
Jul 29 22:04:27 <janimo> GrueMaster, I wonder why that does not work for me
Jul 29 22:04:36 <janimo> I am on oneiric as well
Jul 29 22:04:46 <janimo> simple iwconfig essid never worked for me
Jul 29 22:04:55 <GrueMaster> plbkac?
Jul 29 22:04:58 <janimo> could be my router/AP being more demanding
Jul 29 22:05:17 <janimo> no idea, but there is probably some dose of pebkac involved
Jul 29 22:05:26 <GrueMaster> heh
Jul 29 22:05:31 <janimo> not literally of course, I stand, do not use a chair
Jul 29 22:06:24 <janimo> but no problem, imx arrives next week, and instead of two half functional ARM/Oneiric devices (panda, ac100) I'l have 3! joy
Jul 29 22:06:25 <GrueMaster> Personally, I can't stand all of this testing I have to do...so I sit.  :P
Jul 29 22:06:51 <GrueMaster> I haven't even booted mine.  ENOTIME.
Jul 29 22:07:12 <GrueMaster> And lack of an image has made it very low-p.
Jul 29 22:08:34 <janimo> could be hw issue with my panda(doubt it), more iffy AP (openwrt) or indeed something I overlook. But  I never had good wifi on my panda
Jul 29 22:10:59 <GrueMaster> Yea, I kind of have a bit of overkill here.  Two 802.11N AP's at either end of the house (one 3 feet from my panda stacks), and the entire house wired for gigabit..
Jul 29 22:11:30 <GrueMaster> Although I have just filled my 16 port 1Gb switch in my office.  sigh.
Jul 30 02:34:36 <jburkholder> janimo: poke
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