**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:58 2011
Aug 25 04:21:14 <GrueMaster> Lopi: See bug 746133
Aug 25 04:21:15 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746133 in linux-ti-omap4 "Video loses sync on omap4" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746133
Aug 25 06:34:53 * Jack87 wonders if folk here are considering the touchpad 
Aug 25 06:40:04 <AceLan> of course, but hard to buy one
Aug 25 09:16:30 <janimo> infinity, do you know when the .calc files in cdimage are needed? I see most but not all of the armel ones all set BOOT_SIZE_1=2 but I'd like to avoid it for mx5 if it is not strictly necessary
Aug 25 09:17:27 <ogra_> Building dependency tree...
Aug 25 09:17:27 <ogra_> E: Unable to locate package linux-linaro-lt-mx5
Aug 25 09:17:27 <ogra_> P: Begin unmounting filesystems...
Aug 25 09:17:34 <janimo> not sure what thre reserved space there is
Aug 25 09:17:35 <ogra_> janimo, hmm, that didnt go so well
Aug 25 09:17:46 <janimo> ogra_, hmm, an -image- is missing
Aug 25 09:17:50 <ogra_> yep
Aug 25 09:17:57 <ogra_> well
Aug 25 09:18:16 <janimo> the whole mucking around with cdimage is reminiscent of 'how many X are necessary to insert a lightbulb' jokes
Aug 25 09:18:30 <janimo> we'll prevail eventually
Aug 25 09:18:36 <ogra_> you should just copy the omap script and start from there
Aug 25 09:19:13 <janimo> ogra_, this is livecd right? I meant cdimage as the full build from livecd to publish
Aug 25 09:19:22 <janimo> ogra_, yes I use the omap script
Aug 25 09:19:28 <ogra_> ah, good
Aug 25 09:19:36 <ogra_> right, the above is the live-build output
Aug 25 09:19:53 <janimo> but here I deleted the explicit kernel name in the hope of it being picked up implicitly as per infinity's suggestion
Aug 25 09:20:31 <ogra_> welll, it still expects a toplevel metapackage ...
Aug 25 09:20:49 <ogra_> linux-image- is the linux-image metapackage only
Aug 25 09:20:50 <janimo> ogra_, I think so too. So one still needs adding by jcrigby
Aug 25 09:21:14 <ogra_> yes, but not called linux-mx5 but linux-linaro-lt-mx5
Aug 25 09:21:33 <janimo> right
Aug 25 09:21:54 <janimo> I thought the implicit rule (KERNEL_FLAVOUR) was about picking up the image not the meta
Aug 25 09:21:58 <janimo> I was wrong
Aug 25 09:22:12 <ogra_> oh, you didnt use the other var ?
Aug 25 09:22:32 <ogra_> LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS="linaro-lt-mx5"
Aug 25 09:22:33 <janimo> but then again we could have just left KERNEL_FLAVOUR untouched and created the linux-mx5 with the same result
Aug 25 09:22:57 <janimo> ogra_, no, I used KERNEL_FLAVOURS only. Did I misread what infinity told me? Sigh
Aug 25 09:23:02 * janimo goes reread the logs
Aug 25 09:23:03 <ogra_> no, because other scriptds seem to use the snippet
Aug 25 09:23:17 <ogra_> and mx5 isnt the full uname string
Aug 25 09:23:21 <janimo> right
Aug 25 09:23:23 <janimo> ok
Aug 25 09:24:58 <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/oneiric/ btw
Aug 25 09:25:23 <ogra_> in case you want to check any live build logs yourself
Aug 25 09:26:26 <janimo> ogra_, can you make the change in the script on antimony and see if that fixes (LB_LINUX_FLAVOURS instead of KERNEL_FLAVOURS) instead of me doind another shoot and miss upload?
Aug 25 09:26:54 <ogra_> no, live-build runs on the live builders ... not on antimony
Aug 25 09:27:15 <ogra_> i dotn have any access to fiddle on them, only http access to logs
Aug 25 09:27:25 <ogra_> so we need an upload
Aug 25 09:27:53 <janimo> sigh
Aug 25 09:28:02 <ogra_> antimony is only dbeian-cd cdimage
Aug 25 09:28:06 <ogra_> *debian
Aug 25 09:28:09 <janimo> so should I just change that varname?
Aug 25 09:28:51 <janimo> did infinity not know that off the top of his head, with a medical examination pending and all?
Aug 25 09:30:03 <ogra_> well, i'm not sure that will do much else than KERNEL_FLAVOURS did
Aug 25 09:30:33 <ogra_> i think we're better off waiting for a meta upload and keep the rest as is
Aug 25 09:30:39 <janimo> ogra_, agreed
Aug 25 09:30:45 <janimo> so no upload for now
Aug 25 09:31:17 <ogra_> unless infinity has any brilliant idea inbetween ... though i doubt he types in his sleep
Aug 25 09:31:33 <ogra_> (assuming thats what he does atm)
Aug 25 09:32:06 <janimo> ogra_, so livecd.sh is no longer used right?
Aug 25 09:32:32 <ogra_> right
Aug 25 09:32:47 <ogra_> only BuildLiveCD and the stuff in the live-build subdir
Aug 25 09:32:56 <janimo> I think we should put the 3 unused files there in the attic
Aug 25 09:33:10 <janimo> anyone can find them in bzr history
Aug 25 09:33:22 <ogra_> might be there to makes sure we have a reference for possible regressions
Aug 25 09:33:31 <janimo> cjwatson what do you think? ^
Aug 25 09:33:38 <ogra_> but i agree we should drop them before final release
Aug 25 09:33:42 <janimo> well it nevertheless confuses those looking at the code
Aug 25 09:33:51 <janimo> seems to do much more than it actually does
Aug 25 09:34:26 <ogra_> livecd-rootfs was always brilliant in confusing people ... especially its massive amount of documentation :P
Aug 25 09:34:27 <janimo> ogra_,unrelated: what about switching to ext4 before oneiric?
Aug 25 09:34:33 <janimo> what could go wrong?
Aug 25 09:34:42 <ogra_> live-build could not support it
Aug 25 09:34:55 <janimo> hmm, does it not support it on non-armel?
Aug 25 09:34:56 <ogra_> nothing beyond that, though i fear the u-boot stuff a bit
Aug 25 09:35:06 <janimo> well linaro has switched to ext4 by default
Aug 25 09:35:14 <janimo> and I test hwpacks like that
Aug 25 09:35:51 <ogra_> well, we can just try, but i suspect there are a good bunch of additional changes, it wont just be a switch we change
Aug 25 09:36:35 <ogra_> and the u-boot changes will bind our resources soon
Aug 25 09:39:42 <janimo> any other ext3 assumptions in the code?
Aug 25 09:39:58 <janimo> even the ext3 tools we call should work on ext4
Aug 25 09:39:59 <ogra_> cdimage has some and debian-cd too
Aug 25 09:40:07 <ogra_> jasper indeed as well
Aug 25 09:40:30 <ogra_> for debian-cd changing CONF.sh might suffice
Aug 25 09:41:02 <ogra_> cdimage needs changes in bin/buildlive and bin/download-preinstalled-filesystems
Aug 25 09:41:55 <janimo> we touch those these days anyway for imx53
Aug 25 09:42:09 <janimo> the linaro issue I ran into with ext4 is covered in our kernels
Aug 25 09:42:13 <ogra_> well, let me do a test run
Aug 25 09:42:17 <janimo> CONFIG_LBDAF is set
Aug 25 09:42:31 * ogra_ changes buildlive ... that should suffice for seeing if live-build can cope on the buildd
Aug 25 09:48:11 <ogra_> ok, ac100 ubuntu-server build running with ext4 as default
Aug 25 09:48:15 <ogra_> lets see what comes out
Aug 25 09:48:33 <ogra_> argh !
Aug 25 09:48:40 * ogra_ slaps forehead 
Aug 25 09:48:54 <ogra_> silly me... i shouldnt test with a tar.gz image :P
Aug 25 09:49:58 <ogra_> luckily we have two buildds
Aug 25 09:50:16 * ogra_ fires off an omap server build on the other machine
Aug 25 09:52:54 <janimo> I wish there was an easy way to install a local cdimage setup to test these before uploading things
Aug 25 09:53:44 <ogra_> well, even then you couldnt easily make sure that everything is always 100% in sync
Aug 25 09:53:59 <ogra_> it consists of to many parts to be really reliable
Aug 25 09:54:02 <ogra_> imho
Aug 25 09:54:04 <janimo> working on these components is by far the most unpleasant for me, beats autoconf mucking in broken packages :)
Aug 25 09:54:32 <ogra_> you should join the cdimage team ... doing the changes on antimony makes working easier
Aug 25 09:54:52 <janimo> ogra_, remember I woved not to join this team when I had to fight headless last cycle :)
Aug 25 09:55:03 <ogra_> and there are several levels of bzr trees, so its easy to roll back
Aug 25 09:55:04 <janimo> isn't it the same craziness just via ssh?
Aug 25 09:55:13 <janimo> or can you do exaclty what the build setup does in cron?
Aug 25 09:55:19 <ogra_> yes
Aug 25 09:55:30 <ogra_> i actually use the cron commands doing testbuilds
Aug 25 09:55:51 <ogra_> with additional env vars set to limit the build to one arch
Aug 25 10:35:41 <ogra_> janimo, did you recently test any of our desktop images ?
Aug 25 10:36:12 <ogra_> on ac100 the greeter is so slow its close to unusable
Aug 25 10:38:40 <ogra_> janimo, hmm, so ext4 will need more changes in live-build it seems
Aug 25 10:39:05 <ogra_> i dont get an image file (everything else including logs , initrd and kernel files looks fine)
Aug 25 10:45:52 <ogra_> bah, so there is no ext4 support at all
Aug 25 10:48:55 <julumme> I'm running custom kernel by Robert Nelson, which I compiled for beagle/ubuntu.. now when compiling lirc serial module for it, I run into a compiling issue: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
Aug 25 10:49:26 <janimo> ogra_, I tried testing panda a week ago, but did not come up :(
Aug 25 10:49:35 <julumme> I checked in the linux source "../scripts/genksyms" with 'file genksyms'
Aug 25 10:49:41 <julumme> genksyms: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped
Aug 25 10:49:59 <julumme> scripts are not normally compiled in part of the kernel compilation ?
Aug 25 10:50:08 <janimo> ogra_, I need to test desktop images for bootcharting them, but they keep being broken when I test :(
Aug 25 10:50:10 <ogra_> the code doesnt know it
Aug 25 10:52:59 <ogra_> yeah, currently the archive skew breaks them once again
Aug 25 10:53:27 <ogra_> anyway, no ext4 for us without extra effort, live-build doesnt support it at all
Aug 25 11:04:29 <janimo> ogra_, oh well, at least you tested it. Shall we file a bug on it?
Aug 25 11:08:45 <ogra_> i think there ios a bug and an upstream patch ... one sec
Aug 25 11:09:01 <ogra_> bug 803547
Aug 25 11:09:03 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 803547 in live-build "live-build lacks EXT4 support for binary image types" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803547
Aug 25 11:47:41 <ogra_> geez, the mkfs stuff in live-build is super inconsistent
Aug 25 11:48:33 <ogra_> sometimes it uses mkfs.${LB_CHROOT_FILESYSTEM}, sometimes mkfs.${MKFS} and often eough it is just hardcoded
Aug 25 12:16:10 <ogra_> ok, i reverted the default to ext3 again (but left the other ext4 code in cdimage, so we dont need to touch that again)
Aug 25 15:06:44 <jcrigby> janimo, ogra_: I see from comments above that you need something changed in the mx5 meta pkg?  Similar but different than what was discussed yesterday?
Aug 25 15:08:00 <janimo> jcrigby, yes, similar issue, but different metapackage name
Aug 25 15:08:02 <rsalveti> ogra_: janimo: also, we can already replace x-loader with u-boot-linaro spl for omap 4
Aug 25 15:08:09 <janimo> ogra_, has the exact error msg IIRC
Aug 25 15:08:11 <rsalveti> well tested and no regression with 11.08
Aug 25 15:08:14 <janimo> rsalveti, I am all for it
Aug 25 15:08:29 <janimo> but it is one of those cdimage jobs which only some folk can handle effectively
Aug 25 15:08:43 <janimo> rsalveti, good to hear it works well
Aug 25 15:08:53 <rsalveti> janimo: when can we push the new package?
Aug 25 15:09:04 <rsalveti> or, who can we talk to to make it work? ogra_ ?
Aug 25 15:09:23 <janimo> rsalveti, hmm, the new package switches to SPL with no backwards compat?
Aug 25 15:09:27 <rsalveti> would be nice to push it before beta-1
Aug 25 15:09:46 <jcrigby> janimo, that is the one downside
Aug 25 15:09:54 <rsalveti> janimo: nops, x-loader doesn't work anymore with it
Aug 25 15:10:02 <rsalveti> that's why we need to be in sync
Aug 25 15:10:06 <janimo> rsalveti, definitely before beta 1. We expect breakage these days. ogra would know better when to synchronize
Aug 25 15:10:17 <janimo> rsalveti, ubuntu-arm meeting ATM
Aug 25 15:10:25 <janimo> maybe something to bring up there ?
Aug 25 15:10:33 <rsalveti> sure
Aug 25 15:10:47 <rsalveti> jcrigby: #ubuntu-meeting
Aug 25 15:11:44 <janimo> jcrigby, rsalveti there should be an images topic soon, and then it can be brought up
Aug 25 15:12:05 <rsalveti> janimo: great
Aug 25 15:35:13 <nicofs> Hi there! Is there someone who can help me with rootstock? when trying to create a ubuntu rootfs, i get this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/674573/
Aug 25 15:47:08 <dmart> nicofs: try as root: lsof | grep /tmp/tmp.EvKThwZJAG/tmpmount/proc
Aug 25 15:47:21 <dmart> This may show what process is still using that directory
Aug 25 15:47:46 <nicofs> dmart, what process is using the image is not so much my concern as the dpkg error...
Aug 25 15:47:59 <dmart> Sometimes this is just caused by a race between some program terminating and unmounting that filesystem -- if you try again, you may find that it works
Aug 25 15:48:19 <nicofs> dmart, been trying for 2 days now...
Aug 25 15:48:40 <nicofs> dmart, --seed xubuntu-desktop works, so does ubuntu-minimal.
Aug 25 15:48:47 <dmart> nicofs: oh, I see.
Aug 25 15:49:16 <nicofs> ubuntu-desktop fails at that stage. in natty, maverick and lucid
Aug 25 15:49:26 <dmart> rootstock may spit out some logs you can look at ... I'm not sure offhand where to look, though
Aug 25 15:49:50 <dmart> Have you got a more complete log?
Aug 25 15:49:59 <rsalveti> jcrigby: ok, then it seems we only need a bug for that
Aug 25 15:50:02 <rsalveti> as we need a FFe
Aug 25 15:50:15 <nicofs> dmart, it does normally - but not in that case... they should be in the same folder as the finished rootfs...
Aug 25 15:50:53 <jcrigby> an explicit bug for the FFe or an existing bug to justify the FFe
Aug 25 15:50:59 <dmart> nicofs: maybe the logs are being deleted on error, but I would hope not.  Error conditions are when you _want_ the logs
Aug 25 15:51:17 <nicofs> dmart, what i pasted is what my console gave me... i can redirect the output of rootstock to a file and paste that...
Aug 25 15:51:23 <rsalveti> jcrigby: bug for FFe
Aug 25 15:51:36 <jcrigby> ok
Aug 25 15:51:43 <dmart> nicofs: I suggest capturing the whole log ... there may be earlier errors
Aug 25 15:51:46 <rsalveti> jcrigby: FFe: replace x-loader with new u-boot-linaro SPL
Aug 25 15:51:49 <rsalveti> something like that
Aug 25 15:51:53 <rsalveti> for omap 4
Aug 25 15:52:02 <jcrigby> rsalveti, ok got it
Aug 25 15:52:16 <rsalveti> jcrigby: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
Aug 25 15:52:22 <nicofs> dmart, yes, i just need to run it again for that... can't scroll back so far in my console...
Aug 25 15:59:11 <janimo> rsalveti, the uboot+SPL blueprint's last WI suggest UBOOT still boots with xloader.
Aug 25 15:59:50 <rsalveti> janimo: it was tested, but the test result is not posted there
Aug 25 16:00:18 <nicofs> dmart, i could try --no-root - maybe that helps...
Aug 25 16:00:39 <janimo> but is still works then with xloader? I thought xloader does not boot uboot, from what I understood
Aug 25 16:00:46 <janimo> the new uboot that is
Aug 25 16:01:00 <rsalveti> janimo: nops, just updated the bp
Aug 25 16:01:05 <rsalveti> it doesn't work with x-loader anymore
Aug 25 16:01:11 <janimo> ok
Aug 25 16:01:33 <rsalveti> because to remove duplicated code, some part of u-boot was moved to spl
Aug 25 16:01:39 <janimo> rsalveti, thanks for the clarification. I filed the FFE for uboot and linked the bp, so it helps if it is clear
Aug 25 16:01:48 <rsalveti> so once you build with spl, it doesn't work with x-loader anymore
Aug 25 16:01:59 <janimo> ok
Aug 25 16:02:13 <rsalveti> janimo: great
Aug 25 16:04:41 <dmart> nicofs: don't know -- I suggest you just repeat whatever you did last time, but capture the full log.  The first line of your paste looks like the end of an error report, rather than the whole report
Aug 25 16:05:12 <dmart> nicofs: The "script" command is useful for logging terminal sessions
Aug 25 16:05:51 <nicofs> dmart, i just started and appended " &> logfile"
Aug 25 16:07:23 <jcrigby> rsalveti, I don't understand this line:Please note that we expect requesters to have an updated package already prepared and tested! You will need this anyway to provide proper build logs.
Aug 25 16:08:32 <rsalveti> jcrigby: just to know that you already built the package locally and tested
Aug 25 16:08:37 <rsalveti> and that we already did with 11.08 release
Aug 25 16:08:55 <jcrigby> rsalveti, ok so the version in the ppa fills that part
Aug 25 16:09:01 <rsalveti> yes
Aug 25 16:11:14 <dmart> nicofs: that also should work
Aug 25 16:11:52 <nicofs> dmart, just takes quite a while... i guess about 15mins
Aug 25 16:28:59 <nicofs> dmart... ok different error... my bad... have to start again
Aug 25 16:49:15 <nicofs> just ran out of memory...
Aug 25 16:52:01 <janimo> rsalveti, linaro-media-create also needs to be uploaded, as it now assumed uboot.bin right?
Aug 25 16:52:28 <janimo> I tried 3 times today until it downed on me that what we were discussing today may be relevant to my error, not finding uboot.bin
Aug 25 16:52:48 <janimo> I mean lmc needs uboot.img on panda now. Testing 11.08 daily hwpack
Aug 25 16:52:59 <rsalveti> janimo: yeah, it's uploaded only at the PPA I believe
Aug 25 16:53:40 <janimo> rsalveti, so I'll add a new FFE and we need to add that too. Is it also stable enough?
Aug 25 16:53:55 <janimo> has the same cycle as the rest of linaro?
Aug 25 16:54:16 <rsalveti> janimo: yes
Aug 25 16:54:25 <janimo> ok
Aug 25 16:54:43 <rsalveti> would be nice to have a FFe for it too
Aug 25 16:54:45 <janimo> rsalveti, who is in charge of lmc. Can they upload or should I sponsor - asking them first if it is ok
Aug 25 16:54:51 <rsalveti> guess james_w can upload it
Aug 25 16:56:16 <janimo> rsalveti, actually not sure if it needs a FFe if it's a universe package and not part of default Ubuntu images
Aug 25 16:56:30 <janimo> NCommander, does it? ^
Aug 25 16:56:46 <janimo> it is not technically a release team supervised feature
Aug 25 16:56:56 <rsalveti> janimo: I thought all package updates that are not only bugfixing needs a FFe
Aug 25 16:57:38 <rsalveti> so even universe-only changes
Aug 25 16:57:41 <janimo> rsalveti, I may be wrong indeed. This technically fixes a bug - cannot make panda linaro images without
Aug 25 16:57:51 <janimo> also adds features I guess
Aug 25 16:57:53 <rsalveti> but is also a newer version
Aug 25 17:00:37 <rsalveti> bbl, lunch
Aug 25 18:43:00 <janimo> NCommander, https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-image-tools/+bug/834003 another FFE request
Aug 25 18:43:01 <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 834003 in linaro-image-tools "FFE: upload 11.08 to Oneiric" [Undecided,New]
Aug 25 18:43:11 <janimo> closely related to the uboot one
Aug 25 19:10:05 <MrCurious>   Anyone know if the USB speed issue has been solved yet?
Aug 25 19:11:47 <infinity> Nope.
Aug 25 19:12:19 <MrCurious> such is life
Aug 25 19:18:13 <PDunny> Hey guys!
Aug 25 19:18:58 <PDunny> Can anyone help me make a chroot to boot onto my touchpad?
Aug 25 19:28:24 <GrueMaster> MrCurious: Keep an eye on bug 709245.  Work is being done.
Aug 25 19:28:25 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
Aug 25 19:28:42 <MrCurious> thanks gruemaster
Aug 25 19:29:09 <GrueMaster> PDunny: What kind of touchpad?
Aug 25 19:29:21 <MrCurious> you weren't kidding.. longest bug page i have seen yet
Aug 25 19:29:33 <GrueMaster> You might be able to use the ubuntu-core image.
Aug 25 19:29:55 <MrCurious> wow! almost an order of magnitude potential gains! that is going to be a game changer
Aug 25 19:30:44 <PDunny> GrueMaster - HP Touchpad
Aug 25 19:31:18 <GrueMaster> PDunny: Ok, so at least armv7.  You should be able to use the ubuntu-core image as a base.
Aug 25 19:32:29 <PDunny> Gruemaster - Would the kubuntu-mobile project be suffice? It has most of the features I am looking for in it just not sure how to make the chroot
Aug 25 19:33:00 <GrueMaster> I don't know.  I don't work with that image.  It might though.
Aug 25 19:33:37 <GrueMaster> You could probably just loop mount the image and chroot into it that way.
Aug 25 19:34:34 <PDunny> ok .... hum .... not in my ubuntu partition right now:/
Aug 25 19:35:44 <PDunny> Have yall had much luck with cellphones/tablets yet?
Aug 25 19:36:14 <PDunny> The touchpad community is essentially begging for something more than just webos so if you need testers for OMAP4 devices .....
Aug 25 19:38:32 <GrueMaster> I thought the HP system was snapdragon.
Aug 25 19:39:21 <prpplague> that is what i thought as well
Aug 25 19:40:22 <PDunny> It is snapdragon but from the research I have done it looks like it is OMAP4
Aug 25 19:40:41 * PDunny newb not sure
Aug 25 19:51:40 <GrueMaster> Both are dual core iirc.  They may look the same for the most part.  Need to check /proc/cpuinfo.
Aug 25 19:53:10 <PDunny> I had seen somewhere that it was on a compatable list as an omap4 processor so entirely possible I was wrong, of course I bookmarked it on my ubuntu partition
Aug 25 21:57:38 <acesofsky> hi
Aug 25 21:57:53 <acesofsky> do you know the offcial forum for ubuntu arm support
Aug 25 21:58:49 <GrueMaster> Try #ubuntu-arm.  Oh, wait...
Aug 25 21:58:56 <GrueMaster> :P
Aug 25 21:59:04 <GrueMaster> What can we help you with?
Aug 25 22:01:45 <austeregrim> So kind of generic question.. would an ubuntu image just replace my android system partition?
Aug 25 22:02:14 <austeregrim> or are we looking at modifying partitions for space?
Aug 25 22:02:55 <GrueMaster> What is the platform?  We currently are only supporting TI dev platforms (beagle, beagleXM, panda), although there has been work in the community for other platforms.
Aug 25 22:03:19 <austeregrim> I've got a Toshiba Thrive... it's been on my mind
Aug 25 22:04:18 <austeregrim> and unfortunately not close enough to the other Toshiba Android device for me to say it'd be a simple push...
Aug 25 22:05:28 <GrueMaster> Unfortunately, it is not a platform that is currently being worked with, but someone in the community may have something based on ubuntu.  I know there is a community behind the Toshiba AC100, which uses the same basic core hw.
Aug 25 22:06:08 <GrueMaster> I don't know if there is an active community yet for that system.
Aug 25 22:06:17 <austeregrim> the AC100 doesn't seem close enough to the Thrive for me to think the Hw is compatible.
Aug 25 22:07:13 <GrueMaster> They are both nVidia Tegra2 dual core Arm Cortex A9.  That in of itsself is a major step in the right direction.
Aug 25 22:07:57 <austeregrim> I'm just trying to wrap my mind around how it would be booted, first of all... there is about 600mb of space in the System Partition to use
Aug 25 22:08:07 <austeregrim> actually there may be more.
Aug 25 22:08:35 <austeregrim> 688M according to df
Aug 25 22:09:03 <GrueMaster> What about other partitions?
Aug 25 22:09:25 <infinity> We tend to repartition our ac100s a bit.
Aug 25 22:09:27 <austeregrim> data - 2g, cache - 1007M
Aug 25 22:09:33 <GrueMaster> I believe the ac100 image uses a larger partition, like the user partition.
Aug 25 22:09:39 <infinity> Though you can dual-boot android and Ubuntu if you feel the strange desire.  It's just irksome.
Aug 25 22:09:39 <GrueMaster> Ah.
Aug 25 22:09:39 <austeregrim> storage - 9G
Aug 25 22:10:10 <infinity> (When we dual-boot, we just take over that storage partition)
Aug 25 22:10:34 <infinity> When not, we reparition and turn system+data+cache+storage into one nice large one.
Aug 25 22:11:28 <austeregrim> hmm
Aug 25 22:11:43 <austeregrim> can't partition the thrive, we only have fastboot
Aug 25 22:11:56 <infinity> We only have fastboot on the ac100 too.
Aug 25 22:11:59 <infinity> Not sure how that relates. :P
Aug 25 22:12:34 <austeregrim> thats when it gets scary for me I guess. lol
Aug 25 22:12:55 <infinity> I'm willing to bet that the Thrive is pretty much just "an ac100 without a keyboard".
Aug 25 22:13:00 <infinity> I'd put pretty good money on it, even.
Aug 25 22:13:11 <infinity> But without touching one, it's hard to know for sure. :/
Aug 25 22:13:14 <austeregrim> I've looked at the hardware, too many other differences.
Aug 25 22:13:18 <infinity> Care to come visit? :)
Aug 25 22:13:23 <austeregrim> visit where?
Aug 25 22:13:30 <infinity> Calgary, AB.
Aug 25 22:13:39 <austeregrim> Too far
Aug 25 22:14:25 <austeregrim> although I could probably give simple access to a shell, as close to touching one I can give.
Aug 25 22:17:57 <austeregrim> unless you're willing to come to California ;-)
Aug 25 22:19:03 <infinity> Well, I'll be in Santa Rosa in early September. :P
Aug 25 22:19:39 <austeregrim> 7 hour drive to there
Aug 25 22:19:48 <austeregrim> what are you doing up there?
Aug 25 22:20:44 <infinity> Linux Plumbers.
Aug 25 22:26:35 <austeregrim> I just wonder why it isn't as simple as pushing a new system partition to get a different linux distro booted on these arm devices.. or could it be? and it's just not ready yet?
Aug 25 22:27:09 <austeregrim> I mean I understand the requirements that the kernel needs to know what it's on, etc.
Aug 25 22:29:14 <GrueMaster> Part of the problem is the vendor.  Some (most) vendors don't want you mucking with their default OS (Windows 7, Android, OSX, etc).
Aug 25 22:29:27 <GrueMaster> So they don't make it easy for you to do so.
Aug 25 22:30:23 <austeregrim> Tablets though have seemed to be fairly easy to root, and like the thrive, fastboot isn't locked.
Aug 25 22:30:27 <GrueMaster> Try to get factory warranty service on a system that originally sold with Windows 7 that you have installed Ubuntu on.
Aug 25 22:30:46 <Lopi> what fs type is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11.04/release/ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-headless-armel+omap.img.gz
Aug 25 22:31:03 <GrueMaster> That may be true, but have they posted specs on how to get the HW to work in the kernel?
Aug 25 22:31:25 <austeregrim> no... lol... of course not
Aug 25 22:31:33 <GrueMaster> Lopi: The file is an image of an SD card with a fat32 partition and an ext3 partition.
Aug 25 22:31:55 <Lopi> GrueMaster: how can I mount it?
Aug 25 22:32:42 <GrueMaster> If you want to mount the fs with -o loop, there is a bit of a process to do it.  First, use gunzip to uncompress it.
Aug 25 22:33:02 <Lopi> yeah I did that
Aug 25 22:33:09 <GrueMaster> Then type "file ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-headless-armel+omap.img" to find out the partition locations.
Aug 25 22:33:38 <Lopi> okay
Aug 25 22:34:04 <GrueMaster> To mount a partition, type "sudo mount ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-headless-armel+omap.img /mnt -o loop,offset=$((512*<partition start point>)).
Aug 25 22:34:19 <GrueMaster> Give me a sec and I can give you an exact example.
Aug 25 22:34:41 <Lopi> will this cause any issues if I'm using emulated filesystems?
Aug 25 22:35:06 <GrueMaster> Huh?
Aug 25 22:35:21 <GrueMaster> I'm assuming you are doing this on a Linux desktop system.
Aug 25 22:35:38 <GrueMaster> (i.e. Ubuntu Desktop).
Aug 25 22:35:44 <Lopi> yeah I am
Aug 25 22:35:47 <Lopi> what I'm asking is
Aug 25 22:35:57 <Lopi> can I get rid of these partitions and create a new image with this image
Aug 25 22:36:14 <Lopi> on my device, the ramdisk mounts the nand then mounts a loopback image to create an emulated fs
Aug 25 22:36:16 <GrueMaster> Yes, but it is not easy.
Aug 25 22:36:20 <Lopi> then pivot roots, etc.
Aug 25 22:37:43 <GrueMaster> So, back to the mount process, on my system "sudo mount ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-headless-armel+omap.img mnt -o loop,offset=$((512*144585))" will mount the second partition.
Aug 25 22:38:21 <Lopi> I see
Aug 25 22:38:26 <GrueMaster> But I think what you would want to do is beyond the scope of the preinstalled images.
Aug 25 22:39:04 <Lopi> can I generate my own natty rootfs with rootstock?
Aug 25 22:39:10 <GrueMaster> Part of the boot process of these images is to resize the ext3 partition to fill the SD card being used, from 4G to 32G.
Aug 25 22:39:23 <Lopi> ah
Aug 25 22:39:24 <GrueMaster> It also runs oem-config to customize the image to the user.
Aug 25 22:39:29 <Lopi> yeah that would be a problem :/
Aug 25 22:39:39 <Lopi> lilstevie was telling me about this
Aug 25 22:40:24 <GrueMaster> You might have a better time taking our new Ubuntu-Core image and expanding on it.  It is smaller than the headless image by quite a bit, but is usefull to start with as a chroot environment.
Aug 25 22:40:58 <Lopi> hm okay
Aug 25 22:41:03 <infinity> Someone needs to remind me to purge rootstock with fire for the next cycle.
Aug 25 22:41:05 <Lopi> where can I get ubuntu-core
Aug 25 22:41:15 <GrueMaster> You also can't boot directly to it as there is no kernel, but you can boot a kernel and have it mount a filesystem with ubuntu-core as /
Aug 25 22:41:18 <infinity> I'll need a spec to make sure that whatever functionality it has lives sanely elsewhere.
Aug 25 22:41:34 <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/
Aug 25 22:41:54 <infinity> (And don't download "current", it's not actually current... But the dated directories are)
Aug 25 22:41:56 <Lopi> btw, this is for Ubuntu on the iPad
Aug 25 22:42:00 <infinity> (This will be fixed tomorrow :P)
Aug 25 22:42:10 <Lopi> you can see the linux kernel "booting" on it here: http://yfrog.com/hsu4bigj
Aug 25 22:42:20 <GrueMaster> Lopi: Then ubuntu-core is probably your best starting point.
Aug 25 22:43:05 <Lopi> GrueMaster: thanks for the help
Aug 25 22:43:06 <GrueMaster> Nice
Aug 25 22:45:16 <Lopi> it's going to be awhile before I have interaction with the image, but I figured I might as well get it booting now ;p
Aug 26 02:22:07 <temp> Hello, does somebody know how to boot with tv output with a beagleboard and 11.04 image?
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