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Sep 01 07:56:18 <ps2chiper> hi, anyone online
Sep 01 10:09:24 <diwic> Is it possible yet to have arm(el) ppas?
Sep 01 10:12:45 <ogra_> diwic, public ones are in the works but not ready yet ... there are some private ones
Sep 01 10:17:21 <diwic> ogra_, Ford_Prefect who is a PulseAudio developer is trying to get PulseAudio working on ARM
Sep 01 10:18:01 <diwic> ogra_, and his questions are 1) why isn't it working out-of-the-box on a Natty image (I thought we fixed that?)
Sep 01 10:19:02 <ogra_> no, we dont have anything that automatically calls the alsaucm stuff, you need to do it once manually to initialize
Sep 01 10:19:05 <diwic> and 2) can we enable ARM builds for a specific ppa
Sep 01 10:19:13 <ogra_> its mentioned in the bug
Sep 01 10:19:22 <diwic> Ford_Prefect, ^^
Sep 01 10:19:33 <Ford_Prefect> ogra_: is it just setting the hifi verb?
Sep 01 10:22:20 <diwic> ogra_, but we fixed that for Oneiric at least?
Sep 01 10:22:45 <diwic> ogra_, the udev rule that was supposed to call alsaucm lacked path information
Sep 01 10:23:05 <ogra_> we didnt have sound devices in the kernel until recently afaik
Sep 01 10:23:16 <ogra_> hmm, and i dont see any on my server install still
Sep 01 10:23:34 <ogra_> the switch to 3.0 messed up a lot once again ...
Sep 01 10:23:46 <ogra_> and as usual sound is the last bit TI fixes :P
Sep 01 10:29:10 <Ford_Prefect> Okay, so the alsaucm bits did make sure the sink gets picked up
Sep 01 10:29:10 <Ford_Prefect> No source though
Sep 01 10:30:02 <diwic> Ford_Prefect, are you setting the input verb as well?
Sep 01 10:30:09 <Ford_Prefect> Ah, I needed the Record verb
Sep 01 10:30:11 <Ford_Prefect> Not HiFi
Sep 01 10:35:09 <ogra_> you need to also make sure to remove alsas state file
Sep 01 10:35:19 <ogra_> or re-create it
Sep 01 10:35:57 <Ford_Prefect> No output with Record
Sep 01 10:36:17 <ogra_> the kernel only supports line in sources with that driver atm
Sep 01 10:36:24 <ogra_> try with an mp3 player
Sep 01 10:37:31 <Ford_Prefect> paplay works (thought it's always playing mono afaict)
Sep 01 10:37:31 <Ford_Prefect> I don't have a line level mic, though
Sep 01 10:37:34 <diwic> ogra_, wasn't line in (rather than mic in) a hardware limitation?
Sep 01 10:37:54 <ogra_> might as well be, in any case we only have line in atm
Sep 01 10:38:13 <ogra_> no mic support
Sep 01 10:38:41 <ogra_> (unless you have a littel pre-amp for mics or some such :) )
Sep 01 11:20:01 <ogra_> ogra@panda:~$ ls /dev/snd/
Sep 01 11:20:01 <ogra_> timer
Sep 01 11:20:02 <ogra_> btw
Sep 01 11:20:41 <Ford_Prefect> fun
Sep 01 11:21:29 <ogra_> and
Sep 01 11:21:33 <ogra_> [    1.150665] ALSA device list:
Sep 01 11:21:33 <ogra_> [    1.150665]   No soundcards found.
Sep 01 11:21:50 <ogra_> ppisati, ^^^
Sep 01 11:21:53 <ogra_> omap4
Sep 01 11:22:06 <Ford_Prefect> There's also been complaints on the PA list about how their device only supports s32le and this was causing alignment problems in mixing
Sep 01 11:25:36 <Ford_Prefect> diwic: I also see the latency problem that was reported on list with usb devices
Sep 01 11:26:10 <Ford_Prefect> In seconds
Sep 01 11:26:29 <Ford_Prefect> Playback latency seems okay
Sep 01 11:26:48 <diwic> Ford_Prefect, ok
Sep 01 11:28:37 <ogra_> Ford_Prefect, there are general ehci issues on the panda atm
Sep 01 11:29:02 <Ford_Prefect> Ah, okay.
Sep 01 11:29:22 <ogra_> https://lists.launchpad.net/linaro-release/msg00357.html
Sep 01 11:29:25 <ogra_> err
Sep 01 11:29:44 <ogra_> bug 709245
Sep 01 11:29:45 <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
Sep 01 11:29:48 <ogra_> that one
Sep 01 11:30:05 <ogra_> (ignore the title, it boiled down to a USB issue in the end)
Sep 01 11:30:17 <Ford_Prefect> Cheers -- I'll point the people who were complaing about these problems to this
Sep 01 11:31:35 <ogra_> you can work around it by using nosmp on the kernel cmdline
Sep 01 11:31:50 <ogra_> or by pinging the wired NIC from an external machine
Sep 01 11:32:09 <Ford_Prefect> I've got an ssh session running there
Sep 01 11:32:34 <Ford_Prefect> And I've got empathy running with an ssh -X even
Sep 01 12:04:34 <ppisati> ogra_: i've a new kernel
Sep 01 12:04:42 <ppisati> ogra_: let's see if the sound has been fixed
Sep 01 12:09:33 <ps2chiper> Hey guys
Sep 01 12:09:55 <ps2chiper> Would anyone here like an ubuntu arm thin client?
Sep 01 12:11:39 <ps2chiper> My company is working on a STB project, and I gained access to the amlogic HDK
Sep 01 12:12:09 <ps2chiper> I could build a mini-tx based arm computer if i can get a ubuntu arm developer to commit to maintaining it.
Sep 01 12:18:50 <ogra_> defdine maintaining
Sep 01 12:18:53 <ogra_> *define
Sep 01 12:20:35 <ps2chiper> i need someone to get the amlogic ip drivers to work under ubuntu. and someone to do a bug tracking system.
Sep 01 12:20:53 <ps2chiper> all there is currently is a android bsp
Sep 01 12:21:13 <ogra_> create a launchpad team and you have a bug tracking system ;)
Sep 01 12:21:25 <ogra_> s/team/team and project/
Sep 01 12:21:45 <ogra_> are these drivers GPLed ?
Sep 01 12:22:05 <ps2chiper> I never done a project like this before. the guys from china ubuntu recommend i talk on this channel
Sep 01 12:22:37 <ogra_> well, if you want6 dedicated bugs, go to launchpad,net, and create team and project there
Sep 01 12:22:47 <ps2chiper> well i am unsure if all the drivers are gpl, but they do follow gpl laws. they have an openlinux webstie to comply with them
Sep 01 12:22:50 <ogra_> *.net
Sep 01 12:23:42 <ogra_> beyond that i dont see what beyond a kernel you would need to maintain for that ... the userspace should work the same on all armv7 systems
Sep 01 12:23:50 <ps2chiper> oh no. i dont have the skill required. that is why unless i can get someone to commit to it ahead of time. im not going to start something that cant be finished
Sep 01 12:24:52 <ps2chiper> zengpeng hou suggested persia might be interested in it.
Sep 01 12:25:04 <ogra_> finding someone to maintain a kernel who doesnt have the HW might be a tricky task though
Sep 01 12:25:20 <ps2chiper> i can supply the hardware
Sep 01 12:25:30 <ps2chiper> they already have amlogic devices on the market
Sep 01 12:25:38 <ps2chiper> just not in a think client format
Sep 01 12:25:47 <ogra_> right, i mean you should try to find someone in the community with such a device
Sep 01 12:26:04 <ps2chiper> i can buy it for them
Sep 01 12:26:07 <ogra_> who wants to take maintenance of that kernel in universe
Sep 01 12:26:21 <ps2chiper> i work for a shenzhen factory
Sep 01 12:26:37 <ogra_> maintaining a kernel package is a non trivial task, so the person doing it needs to have some motivation ;)
Sep 01 12:27:12 <ps2chiper> it can be like another rasberry pi, but more relevant since people can use this like a regular desktop
Sep 01 12:27:16 * ogra_ would be happy to sponsore prepared packages, as, i think, would be the rest of the ubuntu-arm team
Sep 01 12:27:55 <ogra_> but you would still need to find a community member to prepare and maintain them
Sep 01 12:28:02 <ps2chiper> correct
Sep 01 12:28:08 <ps2chiper> and that is why i am here
Sep 01 12:28:48 <ogra_> right, all i'm saying is we're happy to help, but within time limited boundaries since the team cares fro much other stuff
Sep 01 12:29:36 <ogra_> persia did something liek that with the n900 kernel
Sep 01 12:30:00 <ogra_> he helped a community member to roll the initial package, now that community person cares for the rest
Sep 01 12:30:01 <ps2chiper> I keep saying to eric miao "Unless an ubuntu developer takes it upon him self to build a thin client, no company will attempt it since their is no market for it"
Sep 01 12:34:43 <ps2chiper> its quiet again
Sep 01 13:20:32 <ndec> ogra_: hi. if someone dist-upgrade from natty to oneiric. what happens to bootloaders (since oneiric manages bootloaders differently with packages) are they correctly upgraded?
Sep 01 13:21:11 <ogra_> no, you would need to manually upgrade with the script function we added last release
Sep 01 13:21:22 <ogra_> sudo flash-kernel --update-bootloader
Sep 01 13:21:54 <ogra_> though it seems NCommander recently broke that, we need to check, it curretly does a lot mor than bootloaders suddenly
Sep 01 13:34:51 <ndec> ogra_: thx. do you know if the upgrade to SPL has happened?
Sep 01 13:35:13 <ogra_> yes, with lots of pain
Sep 01 13:35:21 <ogra_> but its done
Sep 01 13:40:18 <ndec> thx. ogra_ one more thing... are there any network issues with 11.10 today? we are messing around with some kernel changes and no more network ;-)
Sep 01 13:40:36 <ndec> seems like a DNS issue, so i was wondering if there could be something on user land
Sep 01 13:40:48 <ogra_> not for me, i just tested -server yesterday
Sep 01 13:40:57 <ogra_> and -desktop the day before
Sep 01 13:41:24 <ndec> ok... so that's the kernel !
Sep 01 13:42:44 <ogra_> well, check if NM isnt making a mess here
Sep 01 13:42:57 <ogra_> ~/.xsession-errors and syslog should tell you
Sep 01 13:43:19 <ogra_> there were some NM bugs recently, proposedly fixed, but you never know
Sep 01 13:45:35 <ps2chiper> hey ogra_ when will persia be online?
Sep 01 13:46:00 <ogra_> ps2chiper, he wasnt for a while, might return today though
Sep 01 13:46:08 * ogra_ isnt sure
Sep 01 13:46:21 <ps2chiper> is their any body else i should look for?
Sep 01 14:15:12 <rbasak> Does qemu-system-arm support OMAP?
Sep 01 14:16:07 <ogra_> in recent versions, yes
Sep 01 14:16:25 <ogra_> n800/900 and a few beagle variants i think
Sep 01 14:18:25 <rbasak> aha, thanks
Sep 01 14:18:35 <rbasak> I was looking for an -M omap or something
Sep 01 14:26:18 <ogra_> -M help should tell you :)
Sep 01 14:26:57 <rbasak> I've found -M beagle
Sep 01 14:31:08 <rbasak> Is there any central place for info on the beagle emulation, and is this still current: http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/issues/detail?id=2#c2 ?
Sep 01 14:31:19 <rbasak> If so I presume I need an mmc image with u-boot on it?
Sep 01 14:34:35 <rbasak> I've just found http://code.google.com/p/qemu-omap3/w/list
Sep 01 14:57:27 <plm> what is default filesystem of ubuntu for arm/omap?
Sep 01 15:03:38 <GrueMaster> plm: The preinstalled images currently use EXT3, but we will be switching to EXT4 hopefully for 11.10
Sep 01 15:04:54 <GrueMaster> Other filesystems have been tested during netinstall, and work well for that purpose (just not as easy to work with in a preinstalled image that gets resized on first boot).
Sep 01 15:05:52 <ogra_> GrueMaster, plm, we'll switch post beta1
Sep 01 16:09:31 <plm> GrueMaster: well, some people would like to use arm arch for embedded systems.. and ubuntu can be a alternative for a linuxfromscrash that will be done for works with a embedded filesystems.. likje as ubifs, ffs, ffs2, btrfs, etc? So ubuntu will look arm like as a PC, im terms of user.. not emebedded use?
Sep 01 16:11:09 <GrueMaster> For that type of work, we have ubuntu-core.  It is a stripped down minimal image (a chroot for all tense and purposes).
Sep 01 16:49:39 <Daviey> NCommander: Is there anything to add to the release notes for ARM server?
Sep 01 16:49:54 <Daviey> (Note, we really need to get better at syncing)
Sep 01 16:50:32 <Daviey> I didn't know i was required at the meeting that just happend, and the ARM meeting section in the server meeting has been stale for the last few weeks.
Sep 01 16:51:41 <ogra_> Daviey, i thought there was an agreement that you attend our and NCommander attends your meetings ?
Sep 01 16:51:57 <ogra_> at least the tipoc line for server in the meeting suggests that :)
Sep 01 16:52:01 <ogra_> *topic
Sep 01 16:57:05 <Daviey> ogra_: I understood it, that it was being handled in just the server team meeting.
Sep 01 16:57:20 <Daviey> I must have missed that :/
Sep 01 16:57:25 <Daviey> sorry if that was the case.
Sep 01 16:57:58 <GrueMaster> We like to have as much cross-talk as possible.
Sep 01 16:58:22 <Daviey> Hell Yes.
Sep 01 16:58:48 <Daviey> rbasak is the king pin in this. :)
Sep 01 17:00:40 <rbasak> an arm meeting just happened?
Sep 01 17:01:14 <ogra_> every thu  at 15:00 UTC (it is announced on ubuntu-devel every week)
Sep 01 17:03:31 <hallyn> NCommander: hey, on those toshiba tegras, where did you say the hardware switch for touchpad was located again?
Sep 01 17:03:47 <ogra_> hallyn, above the 7
Sep 01 17:04:02 <ogra_> it has a little mouse printed on it
Sep 01 17:04:27 * hallyn hits that with all his might
Sep 01 17:04:38 <hallyn> ah!  finally!  thank!
Sep 01 17:04:42 <ogra_> :)
Sep 01 17:04:58 <hallyn> that did NOT look like a mouse to me at first :)
Sep 01 17:05:04 <ogra_> heh
Sep 01 17:05:18 <ogra_> sadly its hardwired ... no way to suppress it in SW
Sep 01 17:05:35 <hallyn> jinkeys.  stil pretty useless :)  i must've given it too much crack
Sep 01 17:05:57 <ogra_> dont try to use F9 :)
Sep 01 17:06:11 <hallyn> wireless?
Sep 01 17:06:27 <ogra_> no, the button you just used
Sep 01 17:06:35 <hallyn> oh, haha
Sep 01 17:06:37 <ogra_> its F9 but also kills your touchpad
Sep 01 17:06:54 <hallyn> i had to hit it two more times to get it to stop flying around like a rabid bat
Sep 01 17:26:57 <rbasak> when is the next arm meeting?
Sep 01 17:27:03 <rbasak> same time next week?
Sep 01 17:28:02 <rbasak> sorry I've seen that answered above
Sep 01 17:28:15 <ogra_> yep :)
Sep 01 20:30:57 <NCommander> hallyn: F7
Sep 01 21:32:31 <hallyn> NCommander: Hm, maybe it depends on where you start counting :)  got it though, thanks.
Sep 01 23:22:18 <Neko> hey guys, anyone a compiler nut in here?
Sep 01 23:22:35 <ps2chiper> nope, im just trying to start a hardware project
Sep 01 23:22:53 <Neko> just curious if there's any way I can tell just from gnu binutils kind of stuff, some magic looking for particular instructions, if something is compiled using thumb code or normal 32-bit ARM instructions
Sep 01 23:26:23 <ps2chiper> yo Neko, can i pm you?
Sep 01 23:33:50 <ps2chiper> anyone from china here?
Sep 02 00:20:51 <ps2chiper> hey guys, anyone up?
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