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Sep 08 10:33:07 <zma> Hi, are there prebuild Ubuntu Core images available? Or is it feasible choice to just "install it" ?
Sep 08 10:33:58 <ogra_> ubuntu core is only a rootfs tarball
Sep 08 10:34:55 <zma> ok, so it comes down to boot mechanism and drivers
Sep 08 10:36:17 <zma> Actually, I just need some alternative to Angstrom on Panda board. I don't need all unnecessary graphical environment stuff
Sep 08 10:36:28 <zma> Is Ubuntu Core a good choice to look at?
Sep 08 10:46:08 <ogra_> ubuntu-core is something for people wanting a base to create new images and want to take the effort to implement the HW related bits themselves
Sep 08 10:46:30 <ogra_> if you want a non graphical install i would go with the server image instead
Sep 08 10:46:56 <zma> good point
Sep 08 10:49:40 * ogra_ reboots for an ac100 test install bbl
Sep 08 11:43:19 <ogra_> grrr
Sep 08 11:43:37 * ogra_ wonders why the ac100 installer doesnt boot
Sep 08 12:22:37 * ogra_ grumbles deeply 
Sep 08 12:23:53 * ogra_ wonders why he gets uncompression errors with the installer initrd 
Sep 08 15:35:16 <ogra_> bug 806751
Sep 08 15:35:17 <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 806751 in debian-installer "Boot partition on SD is too small on omap/omap4" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806751
Sep 08 16:03:19 <rbasak> ogra_, GrueMaster: so we were talking about what I might be able to do to help with ARM server. So that I'm clear, am I right in understanding that there's nothing apart from QA left to be done? And for QA, I'll just take items from GrueMaster's work list?
Sep 08 16:04:22 <ogra_> well, generally the apps just work regardless what arch they run on, so our main issue is QA to actually find the ones that misbehave based on the arch difference
Sep 08 16:05:14 <GrueMaster> rbasak: A lot has been tested, and the status "should" be on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Server, especially the failing tests.
Sep 08 16:06:18 <GrueMaster> One of the issues I keep running into is that there doesn't appear to be any test tools/documents/methodologies for most of my work items.  So I have to make it up as I go.
Sep 08 16:06:53 <GrueMaster> And some of the tests we do have are woefully inadequate.
Sep 08 16:07:46 <rbasak> OK so those are what you've written up below?
Sep 08 16:08:25 <GrueMaster> Yes.
Sep 08 16:08:33 <rbasak> And the items on the wiki page are what you've done so far, so don't include work items you've not looked at yet?
Sep 08 16:09:01 <GrueMaster> I have been trying to document the steps I took to start the tests so that I have something to refer to when I go back to automate them.
Sep 08 16:09:08 <rbasak> ...and all the testing you've been doing so far is on the pandaboard?
Sep 08 16:09:23 <GrueMaster> Yes.  If it isn't tested, it isn't on the wiki.
Sep 08 16:09:28 <GrueMaster> Yes.
Sep 08 16:09:36 <rbasak> OK
Sep 08 16:09:52 <rbasak> Is there an item that is nicely separated that you can give me to get started on?
Sep 08 16:10:01 <ogra_> rbasak, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-arm.html has all workitems for the canonical-arm team
Sep 08 16:10:04 <rbasak> Note that I've only just had the pandaboard arrive in the post today, I've not tried it yet
Sep 08 16:10:09 <GrueMaster> fyi, running a raid5 on USB Sata drives from a cell phone based system is...interesting.
Sep 08 16:10:12 * ogra_ wonders why ubuntu-arm isnt there, i thought it was added
Sep 08 16:10:31 <ogra_> if syou want to help with any of these, thast indeed appreciated
Sep 08 16:10:35 <rbasak> ...so I'll need some help to get started I expect
Sep 08 16:11:01 <ogra_> GrueMaster, hehm i did something similar with my nslu2
Sep 08 16:11:05 <rbasak> the trouble I have with the work items is that I see an entry but have very little idea on what's actually involved in doing it, so i don't know what I should start with
Sep 08 16:11:14 <GrueMaster> Well, you can either start with a preinstalled image on SD or (for better performance) use a USB drive.
Sep 08 16:11:19 <ogra_> 5 identical USB keys on a HUB set up as software raid
Sep 08 16:11:32 <ogra_> sadly the nlsu CPU couldnt cope :)
Sep 08 16:11:52 <rbasak> USB drive as in hard drive or flash stick?
Sep 08 16:12:01 <ogra_> stick
Sep 08 16:12:04 <GrueMaster> rbasak: I have no idea either.  Hence the research I have to do for each work item.
Sep 08 16:12:11 <ogra_> just for laughs ...
Sep 08 16:12:18 <GrueMaster> I have USB Sata drives.
Sep 08 16:12:28 <rbasak> GrueMaster: OK so would it be better for me to try and fix a failed test in the wiki?
Sep 08 16:12:29 <ogra_> well, even the stick speed improves
Sep 08 16:13:16 <GrueMaster> rbasak: Other than some of the PTS tests, the only ones that failed are iSCSI and IPSec.  iSCSI is arch independent at this point.
Sep 08 16:13:42 <GrueMaster> IPSec required a new kernel config, which is now in place.
Sep 08 16:13:49 <rbasak> what's pts?
Sep 08 16:14:16 <GrueMaster> Phoronix-Test-Suite.
Sep 08 16:14:22 <rbasak> ok
Sep 08 16:15:04 <GrueMaster> The clusterFS tests I will have to do, as I have the HW for it (6 pandas with USB SATA drives).
Sep 08 16:18:04 <GrueMaster> rbasak: The other test that I am blocked on is the IPv6 stuff.  The only validation testsuite I know of is from http://tahi.org, but it is BSD only.
Sep 08 16:19:54 <GrueMaster> So, open workitems that can be taken are:  SELinux, ensemble, OpenStack/LXC, and LUKS (although I thought I had tested LUKS a while ago - Alpha 3 timeframe).
Sep 08 16:20:19 <GrueMaster> Oh, that was encryptfs.  Not sure if there is a difference.
Sep 08 16:21:17 <rbasak> OK, I know my way around LUKS (I even ported it to Android) so that might be an appropriate one to take
Sep 08 16:21:32 <GrueMaster> Cool.
Sep 08 16:21:42 <rbasak> So am I right in thinking that there's no other real guidance - I just need to come up with a process that tests LUKS effectively, write up what it is, and make sure it works?
Sep 08 16:22:01 <GrueMaster> Pretty much.
Sep 08 16:22:11 <rbasak> OK!
Sep 08 16:22:20 <rbasak> What's the timescale?
Sep 08 16:22:44 <GrueMaster> Beta 2 release.
Sep 08 16:22:56 <GrueMaster> (two weeks).
Sep 08 16:23:08 <rbasak> OK and is that tested in two weeks or tested and fixed in two weeks?
Sep 08 16:23:29 <GrueMaster> Tested (and bugs filed appropriately).
Sep 08 16:23:53 <GrueMaster> This is mainly a pipe cleaning exercise, to see what needs fixing in armel server.
Sep 08 16:24:15 <GrueMaster> (of course, if the bug can be fixed quickly, great).
Sep 08 16:24:26 <rbasak> OK, I'll have to see how I get on and I'll keep you updated. I haven't even booted the board yet, so I really have no idea how long it'll take me
Sep 08 16:24:47 <rbasak> (and I need to order a PSU!)
Sep 08 16:24:56 <GrueMaster> Ping me if you need help.  I have a lot of time on these boards now.
Sep 08 16:25:21 <GrueMaster> If you have a USB Y cable, you can use it for now.  Draw power from your PC.
Sep 08 16:25:41 <GrueMaster> Just plug it into the gaget port.
Sep 08 16:25:46 <GrueMaster> *gadget
Sep 08 16:25:53 <rbasak> I only have straight cables
Sep 08 16:26:26 <GrueMaster> Should give you enough to boot the server image from SD and have networking.
Sep 08 16:26:58 <rbasak> OK
Sep 08 16:26:59 <GrueMaster> And if you do use an external USB drive, it will need it's own power source.
Sep 08 16:27:19 <rbasak> I have a USB caddy that takes its own power so that should be OK
Sep 08 16:27:33 <GrueMaster> Excellent.
Sep 08 16:27:36 <rbasak> Where do I get the image? Will the latest in cdimage be OK?
Sep 08 16:28:05 <GrueMaster> Yes, that should work  well for just running off SD.
Sep 08 16:28:23 <rbasak> So I just dd it straight on?
Sep 08 16:28:56 <rbasak> I can borrow an SD card out of my camera for now but I'll need to order one for longer term. What's the recommended size?
Sep 08 16:29:30 <GrueMaster> pretty much.  The image is an img.gz file, so gunzip < <image> |dd bs=4M of=/dev/mmcblk0 (or whatever the SD is on your pc).
Sep 08 16:29:36 <rbasak> OK
Sep 08 16:29:54 <GrueMaster> I use 8G for my server testing, but anything from 4G up will do.
Sep 08 16:30:06 <GrueMaster> For preinstalled images.
Sep 08 16:30:30 <GrueMaster> If you do netboot, you only need ~30-50M on the SD.
Sep 08 16:31:01 <GrueMaster> And the rootfs can live on the USB drive (~10x faster).
Sep 08 16:31:08 <GrueMaster> brb
Sep 08 16:31:40 <CocoaGeek> hello
Sep 08 16:33:33 <rbasak> OK PSU and SD card ordered but I think I have enough to get going for now
Sep 08 16:34:25 <CocoaGeek> can I just use arm-linux-gnueabi-g++-4.4 on x64 Ubuntu 11.04 to cross-compile for Ubuntu running on a OMAP4 netbook?
Sep 08 16:36:28 <dcordes> rsalveti: hey
Sep 08 16:36:58 <GrueMaster> CocoaGeek: It should work.  For cross-compile issues, you may want to ask in #linaro though.  They are actively working on that stuff.
Sep 08 16:37:32 <CocoaGeek> GrueMaster: Thank you
Sep 08 16:38:06 <dcordes> I am wondering why fennec does not appear in the oneiric version  http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/oneiric/fennec
Sep 08 16:38:23 <dcordes> so I emailed the package maintainer but I do not receive any reply
Sep 08 16:38:45 <dcordes> where should such things be discussed ?
Sep 08 16:42:54 <rsalveti> dcordes: hey!
Sep 08 16:43:34 <rsalveti> dcordes: true: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fennec
Sep 08 16:43:38 <rsalveti> ubuntu-dev probably
Sep 08 16:56:13 <dcordes> rsalveti: can't your put your foot down ? :D you told me you see use for it on tablets etc.
Sep 08 18:34:28 <ppisati> GrueMaster: saw the beagle xm network stuff
Sep 08 18:34:43 <ppisati> GrueMaster: i'm at plumbers, i'll take a look at it next week
Sep 08 18:34:54 <GrueMaster> ppisati: I believe it is u-boot related.
Sep 08 18:34:59 <ppisati> GrueMaster: yep
Sep 08 18:35:22 <ppisati> GrueMaster: is the new u-boot the pxe-enabled one?
Sep 08 18:37:26 <GrueMaster> Not sure.
Sep 08 18:37:34 <GrueMaster> I don't think so.
Sep 08 18:37:39 <ppisati> ok
Sep 08 18:37:50 <ppisati> anyway, when i'm back i'll take a look
Sep 08 18:37:54 <ppisati> GrueMaster: thanks for the debug
Sep 08 18:38:08 <ppisati> GrueMaster: and btw, since it seems you are really work-overloaded
Sep 08 18:38:15 <GrueMaster> To be honest, I haven't had time to really look at it.
Sep 08 18:38:20 <GrueMaster> (beyond what is in the bug report).
Sep 08 18:38:23 <ppisati> GrueMaster: if there's something i can do, i mean, feel free to throw it to me :)
Sep 08 18:38:32 <GrueMaster> Ok.
Sep 08 18:38:38 <ppisati> oooooooook :)
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