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Oct 12 08:55:10 <brendand> anyone else got a problem with the oneiric final image on panda, where the horizontal alignment is way off?
Oct 12 08:57:45 <brendand> well, it's more like it's horizontally squashed
Oct 12 09:02:47 <infinity> Not here...
Oct 12 09:03:22 <infinity> Though I haven't tested today's spin (about to), I don't see how it would be different from yesterday's.
Oct 12 09:05:59 <ogra_> infinity, hmm, frambuffer changes ?
Oct 12 09:06:02 <ogra_> *frame
Oct 12 09:06:47 <ogra_> (no idea how they could influence us, but werent there some in the initrd ?)
Oct 12 09:10:28 <brendand> infinity - also once i get to lightdm it seems to kill the display
Oct 12 09:10:46 <brendand> i just got the image this morning
Oct 12 09:11:58 <infinity> I'm testing right now.
Oct 12 09:15:16 <brendand> could just be my stupid monitor. i've had issues with it in the past
Oct 12 09:15:40 <infinity> Well, sure, if you keep calling it stupid, I can see how that would cause issues in your relationship.
Oct 12 09:15:45 <infinity> Try being less of a jerk to your monitor? :)
Oct 12 09:19:45 <ndec> panda and monitors have always had difficult relationship as well..
Oct 12 09:20:22 <ogra_> yeah, i suggested for the first release already that TI should just ship the pandas with a monitor
Oct 12 09:20:30 <ogra_> but they never listen to me :(
Oct 12 09:22:47 <brendand> perhaps it's having its revenge
Oct 12 09:23:57 <xranby> ogra_: i tried to install the omap extras package onmy panda today.. and .. poof no xorg
Oct 12 09:24:49 <ogra_> xranby, hmm
Oct 12 09:24:57 <xranby> so the good news are that something are available in the ppa now
Oct 12 09:25:32 <ogra_> right, i guess we need to talk to rsalveti about that
Oct 12 09:26:02 <ogra_> the sgx packages come from linaro ... they have been tested there, probably some incompatibility with our kernel or so
Oct 12 09:26:40 <xranby> i will download the latest oneiric panda image and retry
Oct 12 09:27:08 <xranby> the image i used are some days old
Oct 12 09:31:42 <ndec> ogra_: the sgx don't come from linaro...
Oct 12 09:31:45 <ndec> but from TI
Oct 12 09:32:02 <infinity> Indeed, it's all ndec's fault.
Oct 12 09:32:39 <ndec> xranby: how exactly did you install the omap extra?
Oct 12 09:32:53 <xranby> ndec: clicked on the nice shiny button
Oct 12 09:33:04 <xranby> in the unity launcher
Oct 12 09:33:07 <ndec> only that?
Oct 12 09:33:09 <xranby> it opened the software center
Oct 12 09:33:13 <xranby> and then i clicked on install
Oct 12 09:33:19 <xranby> and it said it was done
Oct 12 09:33:19 <ndec> that should not install anything since our meta package is empty.
Oct 12 09:33:28 <infinity> ^
Oct 12 09:33:32 <xranby> it did install something on my board :P
Oct 12 09:33:36 <ndec> so if that install nothing, that can't break anything ;-)
Oct 12 09:33:59 <xranby> ok i will retest using the latest unadulterated oneiric image
Oct 12 09:34:01 <ndec> i guess it installed ubuntu-omap4-extras, right?
Oct 12 09:34:05 <infinity> It should just install an empty package.
Oct 12 09:34:08 <infinity> ndec: Yeah.
Oct 12 09:34:23 <ndec> xranby: check the version of the package, it should be 1.1~1
Oct 12 09:34:41 <infinity> He may have done this with an older image that still referenced the natty ppa.
Oct 12 09:34:45 <infinity> Before I fixed that. :P
Oct 12 09:34:48 <ndec> xranby: can you share the output of apt-cache policy
Oct 12 09:35:01 <ndec> infinity: that's what i guesed ;-)
Oct 12 09:35:04 <ndec> guessed
Oct 12 09:37:23 <xranby> ndec: just a second
Oct 12 09:41:41 <xranby> ndec: http://paste.ubuntu.com/706596/
Oct 12 09:42:04 <ogra_> yep, all natty
Oct 12 09:45:11 <xranby> ogra_: false alarm then, im fetching a new image
Oct 12 09:45:18 <ogra_> heh
Oct 12 12:54:50 <brandini> morning
Oct 12 13:09:41 <jeremiah_> So I've got an Ubuntu root file system for my OMAP 3 beagleboard
Oct 12 13:10:02 <jeremiah_> But it won't boot on a new disk because in the boot.scr there is a UID that appears incorrect
Oct 12 13:10:06 <jeremiah_> Is there a way to fix that?
Oct 12 13:12:05 <ndec> jeremiah_: update your boot.scr?
Oct 12 13:12:56 <jeremiah_> ndec: I tried to do that by hand but it doesn't seem to have any effect
Oct 12 13:13:08 <jeremiah_> Is there a way that is used by others?
Oct 12 13:13:19 <ndec> jeremiah_: what do you mean by hand?
Oct 12 13:13:27 <ndec> the boot.scr is generated with mkimage.
Oct 12 13:13:29 <jeremiah_> I edited the boot.scr in emacs
Oct 12 13:14:42 <ndec> e.g. mkimage -A arm -O linux -T script -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n "Ubuntu" -d ./boot.cmd ./boot.scr
Oct 12 13:14:53 <ndec> from http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu#Beagle_Bx.2FCx_.26_xM
Oct 12 13:15:27 <jeremiah_> Thanks ndec! I'll go read that URL
Oct 12 13:15:31 <ndec> if you use a UUID you will need to use an initramfs, where the init will read the UUID and find the actual device to mount
Oct 12 13:15:52 <ndec> so if you know the actual root device, you can use it in root= instead of UUID.
Oct 12 13:16:18 <jeremiah_> ndec: I thought the device I needed to specify was something like /dev/mmblk0
Oct 12 13:16:25 <jeremiah_> but that doesn't seem to work. :(
Oct 12 13:16:44 <ndec> /dev/mmcblk0p2 likely
Oct 12 13:16:48 <brandini> I was reading through the docs last night and it almost seemed like I could format my usb thumb drive like I did the sd card and make it boot of teh usb drive
Oct 12 13:16:57 <jeremiah_> Ah, of cou!
Oct 12 13:17:01 <jeremiah_> rse
Oct 12 13:18:43 <ndec> brandini: you cannot 'boot' from the usb drive, but you can boot from SD (mlo, uboot, uimage) and have the root fs on USB driver
Oct 12 13:19:40 <brandini> ndec: the docs say first is usb, then mmc
Oct 12 13:20:39 <ndec> brandini: ok... well you can boot from USB yes, but that's using a special protocol with the OMAP rom code. it's for OTG, not HOST. it's used for example for when you connect your phone to flash it...
Oct 12 13:22:32 <brandini> ahhhh ok
Oct 12 13:22:51 <brandini> so even if I put MLO and uboot on a thumb drive it won't boot properly from that?
Oct 12 13:23:30 <ndec> brandini: no. it won't
Oct 12 13:23:55 <ndec> you can do this http://omappedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_on_OMAP_FAQ#I_want_to_install_Ubuntu_on_external_USB_hard_disk_instead_of_sluggish_SD_card
Oct 12 13:24:01 <ndec> to put root fs on USB driver
Oct 12 13:24:02 <ndec> drive
Oct 12 13:26:00 <brandini> interesting
Oct 12 13:26:15 <brandini> leave it to me to actually read the docs and get more confused :)
Oct 12 13:27:23 <ndec> brandini: reading the docs is great , no confusion!
Oct 12 13:28:43 <brandini> I didn't understand that there was a difference between the first boot device and the second
Oct 12 13:28:53 <brandini> in how it tried to initiate the boot sequence
Oct 12 13:29:07 <brandini> I thought no matter what the device was it would look for MLO, then uboot
Oct 12 13:42:35 <ndec> brandini: the difference in 1st vs 2nd boot is not in mlo/uboot, that part never changes.
Oct 12 13:43:14 <ndec> on 1st boot the initramfs will enlarge the partition and launch the installer. it will generate /etc/flash-kernel.conf
Oct 12 13:43:32 <ndec> on further boots, the initramfs will directly mount the root fs
Oct 12 13:46:40 <brandini> http://pandaboard.org/sites/default/files/board_reference/A1/Panda_Board_Spec_DOC-21010_REV0_6.pdf
Oct 12 13:46:48 <brandini> so on page 21 where it talks about SYSBOOT
Oct 12 13:50:10 <brandini> that's where I was reading that
Oct 12 13:50:25 <brandini> the default is 000101 which says USB, MMC1
Oct 12 13:51:07 <ndec> brandini: and as i told you USB here does not mean what you were hoping. if you look at the OMAP4 TRM docs, there is a chapter on 'booting'
Oct 12 13:51:19 <brandini> ok
Oct 12 13:51:34 <brandini> I'm not saying I don't believe, just showing you how I got confused
Oct 12 13:51:50 <ndec> sure. i know this doc.
Oct 12 13:51:52 <brandini> I pulled down rev X of that last night... 5500 pages or something :)
Oct 12 13:53:10 <ndec> and it's just the public version ;-)
Oct 12 13:53:41 <brandini> lol
Oct 12 13:53:43 <brandini> right
Oct 12 13:53:57 <brandini> and there is a pretty extensive errata doc too
Oct 12 13:59:47 <brandini> ndec: so I found the assembly source for booting the beagle on openbsd, it doesn't seem similar enough to actually boot the panda
Oct 12 14:00:15 <ndec> i guess so
Oct 12 14:00:29 <brandini> you guess so?
Oct 12 14:00:49 <ndec> omap3 vs omap4? a8 vs a9 smp...
Oct 12 14:01:09 <brandini> yeah
Oct 12 14:01:23 <brandini> that's why I'm trying to read this TRM
Oct 12 14:01:35 <brandini> wonder if looking at the ubuntu version is a good start
Oct 12 14:11:27 <rOxx> hello, someone here who can help me with industrial i/o driver ?
Oct 12 14:53:44 <brandini> ndec: I found some interesting stuff after reading 27.4.5.3 in the public doc :)
Oct 12 14:54:09 <ndec> what's 27.4.5.3 exactly?
Oct 12 14:54:38 <brandini> it explains what you were trying to tell me earlier about the booting of usb
Oct 12 14:54:51 <ndec> ah!
Oct 12 14:54:54 <brandini> s/trying to tell/telling/g
Oct 12 14:55:03 <ndec> i am hoping i wasn't too far from the reality ;-)
Oct 12 14:55:18 <brandini> you weren't at all
Oct 12 14:55:48 <brandini> this is fun, I wonder how far I can go with this
Oct 12 16:27:31 <GrueMaster> brandini: On the omap4 usbboot, we are using that (or soon will be) in our panda build cluster.  I already use it in my test setup.  Really usefull for booting and clobbering SD image hands free.
Oct 12 17:12:12 <ndec> brandini: usbboot is indeed using the actual USB boot mechanism. (this refers to our discussion earlier)
Oct 12 17:28:50 <brandini> :)
Oct 12 17:29:24 <brandini> I want a panda build cluster!
Oct 12 17:57:25 <diwic> <mkbosmans> is it always valid to cast a uint8 pointer to a uint32 pointer, even if the pointer is not 4-byte aligned?
Oct 12 17:57:49 <diwic> anybody knows if the answer is "yes" on arm as well?
Oct 12 18:20:23 <R_Nev> the kernel will trap and handle the unaligned accesses
Oct 12 18:22:17 <R_Nev> by default, most likely, but it's going to be slow and i think it's possible to disable the fixup so that the app crashes instead
Oct 12 18:27:06 <R_Nev> unaligned neon accesses may infinite loop instead
Oct 12 23:34:51 <j4r00tn> hey guys where can I find a list of jaunty armel packages
Oct 12 23:37:42 <rcn-ee> j4r00tn, they got removed when jaunty went eof.. for x86 there's an old repo, but i don't there's one of those for ports..
Oct 12 23:38:24 <rcn-ee> j4r00tn, are you using an armv5 device?
Oct 13 00:07:12 <brandini> https://twitter.com/#!/packetslave/status/124270413927809024
Oct 13 00:25:49 <j4r00tn> im using a tegra
Oct 13 00:26:11 <phh> why do you want jaunty oO
Oct 13 00:26:32 <j4r00tn> hacked my atrix and if I update I can't use webtop
Oct 13 00:27:12 <j4r00tn> I already acquired all the old repos but I just want the exact packages to that I wont waste space on my phone.
Oct 13 00:27:24 <j4r00tn> I only did a 6gb partition for linux
Oct 13 00:27:29 <phh> only .32 on atrix ?
Oct 13 00:27:54 <phh> anyway you can still use a recent ubuntu
Oct 13 00:28:01 <phh> just need to put the L4T in a chroot
Oct 13 00:29:19 <GrueMaster> We have an image this cycle for the Tegra2 based Toshiba AC100.  Runs quite well.
Oct 13 00:29:35 <j4r00tn> where can I get the image?
Oct 13 00:29:50 <GrueMaster> You can also use the ubuntu-core image as a base.
Oct 13 00:30:02 <GrueMaster> They are currently on cdimage.ubuntu.com
Oct 13 00:30:28 <GrueMaster> Should be posted tomorrow on ubuntu.com official site.
Oct 13 00:30:34 <phh> "this cycle" ?
Oct 13 00:30:55 <GrueMaster> 11.10 release.
Oct 13 00:30:58 <phh> ah ok
Oct 13 00:31:03 <phh> that assumes a .38 kernel
Oct 13 00:31:05 <phh> can't work for j4r00tn
Oct 13 00:31:32 <j4r00tn> where can I get the image??
Oct 13 00:31:48 <GrueMaster> Well, the core image doesn't assume any kernel.  Just Armv7 support.
Oct 13 00:32:22 <phh> it assumes fbdev
Oct 13 00:32:27 <phh> i'm not even sure j4r00tn has that
Oct 13 00:32:32 <GrueMaster> j4r00tn: The images are on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com.  For Ubuntu Desktop, go to daily-preinstalled.
Oct 13 00:32:37 <twb> Does canonical plan to make arm a first-class arch?
Oct 13 00:32:59 <j4r00tn> prowsing now
Oct 13 00:33:05 <phh> as far as i can tell it already is
Oct 13 00:33:19 <twb> Hum
Oct 13 00:33:30 <twb> Then why are the repos on ports.ubuntu.com or whatever it is
Oct 13 00:33:38 <j4r00tn> i think the tegra image should work
Oct 13 00:33:44 <GrueMaster> Well, we are trying.  As soon as more devices are out there that make sense, we probably will.  Right now, most of the consumer available systems are either closed tablets or development platforms.
Oct 13 00:33:56 <phh> j4r00tn: if you're on .32, it won't
Oct 13 00:34:02 <twb> GrueMaster: fair enough, just curious
Oct 13 00:34:04 <j4r00tn> is there an application that converts normal packages to be compatible with armel
Oct 13 00:34:12 <phh> j4r00tn: nonsense
Oct 13 00:34:42 <twb> I guess I'm used to "first-class" as meaning "release critical bugs in this arch, will prevent a release" -- which doesn't make sense in ubuntu land, due to time-based releases
Oct 13 00:34:53 <GrueMaster> j4r00tn: define "normal"?  All of our packages (with a few exceptions) are built for all arches.
Oct 13 00:35:12 <j4r00tn> packages that are not armel compatible
Oct 13 00:35:13 <twb> GrueMaster: *all* arches?  Even m68k? ;-)
Oct 13 00:35:24 <j4r00tn> i tried a few but they dont seem to run
Oct 13 00:35:25 <GrueMaster> twb: I just finished testing the release candidate images for the third time this week.
Oct 13 00:35:42 <GrueMaster> twb: All Ubuntu supported arches.
Oct 13 00:35:46 <twb> Don't mind me, I'm just rambling
Oct 13 00:36:11 <GrueMaster> j4r00tn: If you are running a jaunty environment with only armv5 support, you will run into problems.
Oct 13 00:36:48 <GrueMaster> Even though the processor can handle the armv7 code, without the kernel support, you're hosed.
Oct 13 00:37:15 <GrueMaster> Kind of like trying to run x86_64 code on a system running an i386 kernel.
Oct 13 00:38:52 <j4r00tn> so what's the best way to avoid having this issue? should i update the kernel? I'm having second thoughts coz the webtop environment might stop working again
Oct 13 00:39:44 <phh> well i doubt you're the first guy trying to ask an atrix
Oct 13 00:39:46 <phh> ask them.
Oct 13 00:39:55 <GrueMaster> On the Atrix?  I'm not too familiar with that system.
Oct 13 00:43:40 <j4r00tn> it's the mobile phone by motorola with a tegra 2 processor and 1gb ram it runs android on one side and a locked down version of ubuntu when plugged in a dock
Oct 13 00:44:15 <GrueMaster> I know what it is, I just have no hands-on experience with them.
Oct 13 00:45:44 <j4r00tn> sorry my bad...
Oct 13 00:47:55 <GrueMaster> I had heard they were running a form of Ubuntu, but never experienced it.  Also, nVidia was supposed to update their Linux4Tegra to something more recent (L4T is currently Jaunty based).  I have a dev board that I got that came with a Lucid based environment, but it is very specific to this board.
Oct 13 00:48:13 <GrueMaster> And the AC100 is another beast entirely.
Oct 13 00:48:33 <twb> linux4tegra as in the GPU driver or as in their big blob that is old and crap, apart from happening to contain the GPU driver? :P
Oct 13 00:48:58 <phh> twb: old blob
Oct 13 00:49:08 <GrueMaster> The sad part about Arm SOC systems is that once the bits leave the SOC, all similarities end, even on systems utilizing the same SOC.
Oct 13 00:49:10 <twb> Bugger that for a game of soldiers
Oct 13 00:49:40 <j4r00tn> yup it's jaunty that why I sourced the old jaunty repo to do updates and stuff
Oct 13 00:50:05 <j4r00tn> so will it be pointless if I update to another version other than jaunty?
Oct 13 00:51:04 <GrueMaster> What did the atrix come with?  iirc, it was based on Maverick.
Oct 13 00:53:25 <j4r00tn> it has nothing in it when I got it i had to install lxterminal and the other apps manually... the only thing it had is nautilus and firefox
Oct 13 01:05:57 <j4r00tn> i think it came with tomoyo
Oct 13 01:08:04 <twb> tomoyo's an LSM
Oct 13 01:08:40 <j4r00tn> then it's probably jaunty
Oct 13 01:15:55 <j4r00tn> yup it's jaunty (9.04)
Oct 13 01:16:03 <brandini> dennis ritchie is dead :(
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