**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 17 02:59:57 2011 Oct 17 08:54:29 ndec: ping, hi the LWJGL people wonder if you have any available documentation on the extensions: GL_OES_required_internalformat , GL_IMG_texture_stream2 , GL_IMG_texture_npot and GL_IMG_texture_format_BGRA8888 since they are not part of the official GLES registry http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/ Oct 17 08:55:06 ndec: the request for more information about these extensions was made on this forum thread: http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4237.0.html Oct 17 10:08:55 ndec: pbt, i notice that opengl-es 2.0 performance on the panda board almost double if i run my tests using a windowmanager that do not use compositing effects. i now get areound 250fps on the gears benchmark when running xfce4 Oct 17 10:08:59 btw Oct 17 10:09:16 compared to areound 130fps when running unity Oct 17 10:12:38 :( Oct 17 10:12:53 xranby: you meant unity2d? Oct 17 10:13:02 Yeah, the GPU can't really do unity at 1080p Oct 17 10:13:15 I mean, it works, but don't do any other 3D stuff Oct 17 10:14:17 Amaranth: do you have a PPA for unity 3D on panda? Oct 17 10:14:28 nope, not yet Oct 17 10:14:48 when do you think there will be one? Oct 17 10:15:14 Well, I need to make a release in a couple days Oct 17 10:15:30 * lilstevie is looking forward to unity with es Oct 17 10:16:08 The goal is to have unity in the 11.10 Linaro release and in a PPA for oneiric by UDS Oct 17 10:16:21 ok. Oct 17 10:16:32 how well/bad is it working now? Oct 17 10:16:49 hehe, trying to figure out some changes to nux Oct 17 10:17:16 and for some reason my VM can no longer run any GL stuff Oct 17 10:21:37 ndec: yes i get half performance when running unity2d :/ Oct 17 10:22:37 oh, unity2d Oct 17 10:22:45 that's not even using a compositor... Oct 17 10:22:47 is compositing (xrender) enabled by default on unity2d/metacity? Oct 17 10:22:57 I wonder how it would run on the tegra2 :p Oct 17 10:22:59 Amaranth: interesting Oct 17 10:23:15 ndec: I don't think so Oct 17 10:23:35 xranby: we've seen that as well. using the standard gnome fallback perf is much better too. Oct 17 10:23:41 so there is something with unity2d Oct 17 10:23:43 8thavatar Oct 17 10:24:05 hmm.. Oct 17 10:24:12 ok now all now my password for my dev boards Oct 17 10:24:25 wrong keyboard Oct 17 10:25:13 kernel.org problems could have started like that ;-) Oct 17 10:26:52 lol Oct 17 10:27:02 that would be an entropy issue Oct 17 10:27:13 metacity defaults to composite in oneiric Oct 17 10:27:17 using the same password everywhere Oct 17 10:27:24 ogra_: can i somehow disable it? Oct 17 10:27:24 but has all effects patched out Oct 17 10:27:36 install dconf-editor Oct 17 10:27:42 ogra_: i would like to test if i can tewak unity2d to double the fps Oct 17 10:27:42 ok Oct 17 10:27:54 it should have a setting for that, but your unity-2d will look horrible i think Oct 17 10:28:35 (metacity doesnt use the compositor, but unity-2d does a lot) Oct 17 10:29:09 ogra_: i remember looking at this setting in gconf-editor.. Oct 17 10:29:20 right, gconf-is gone though Oct 17 10:29:34 but the setting was still there, iirc... Oct 17 10:29:56 form a former install ? Oct 17 10:30:10 * ndec checking... Oct 17 10:30:33 ogra_: ok... i don't have a former install, i dist-upgraded since alpha 1 or 2 Oct 17 10:30:33 it shouldnt be there on new installs and it shouldnt be used at all anymore Oct 17 10:30:41 right Oct 17 10:30:46 thats what i mean :) Oct 17 10:31:49 ndec: are there any available public documentation on the extensions: GL_OES_required_internalformat , GL_IMG_texture_stream2 , GL_IMG_texture_npot and GL_IMG_texture_format_BGRA8888 ? Oct 17 10:31:50 if you installed a dev image it might be that the setting is still idling around on your disk *especially* if you once touched it with gconf-editor Oct 17 10:31:53 it's dconf-tools, not dconf-editor ;-) Oct 17 10:32:04 the app is dconf-editor ;) Oct 17 10:32:13 xranby: don't know. robclark any idea? [when you wake up...] Oct 17 10:32:15 sorry,yes, tha package name differs Oct 17 10:33:34 ogra_: are you sure there is a config for compositing in dconf? Oct 17 10:33:43 it should be Oct 17 10:34:24 there is no search function? Oct 17 10:35:31 no idea i only used that app twice Oct 17 10:35:40 and its hirribly jumpy on the right pane Oct 17 10:36:27 ogra_: where are the dconf files? Oct 17 10:36:34 it will be easier to grep... Oct 17 10:37:14 look in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ Oct 17 10:37:38 though these are the uncomplied files, if you make changes there you need to compile the whole stuff again Oct 17 10:37:50 * ogra_ likes gconf a lot more Oct 17 10:38:57 grep compositing /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/* --> nothing Oct 17 10:39:27 ogra_: it seems that totem and gst still rely on gconf. Oct 17 10:39:34 is that correct? Oct 17 10:39:46 afaik we dont even install gconfd anymore Oct 17 10:39:56 desktop team would know Oct 17 10:40:34 but i also seem to not find anything Oct 17 10:46:52 ogra_: i think gconf is still used somewhere... in our release we change the default videosink for GST/totem using gconf, and it's working. but in dconf this setting is not visible... Oct 17 10:47:03 * ndec is a bit lost ;-) so going for lunch... Oct 17 10:47:08 ogra_: i can make speed go from 130 fps to around 190 fps by killing Metacity Oct 17 10:47:23 xranby, well, file a bug :) Oct 17 10:47:23 still a bit to go before i reach 250fps that i get using xfce45 Oct 17 10:47:29 xfce4 Oct 17 10:47:35 ndec, they are two different DBs Oct 17 10:47:49 ndec, and gsettings/dconf uses a binary format Oct 17 10:47:55 xranby: which app are you using? Oct 17 10:48:14 ndec: im using LWJGL java bindings Oct 17 10:48:19 for opengl-es Oct 17 10:48:44 ndec: im preparing a package to get the new LWJGL version into the archive that have opengl-es 2.0 support Oct 17 10:53:13 ndec: to test yourself.. if you trust me then you can get a patche LWJGL sourcetree here : http://openjdk.gudinna.com/lwjgl-es/LWJGL-svn-r3678-bin.tar.gz Oct 17 10:53:39 it contains the latest LWJGL svn tree patched and built Oct 17 10:54:33 it contains a little script test-es2.0.sh Oct 17 10:55:36 if you have oneiric installed you need to change the start of all command lines from java to java -zero (since jamvm will not have support to run this unless ubuntu pulls in the nev version from upstream) Oct 17 11:11:07 xranby, ogra_: afaik metacity will uses gconf Oct 17 11:11:35 Amaranth, well, according to the desktop theam they got rid of gconf in 11.10 Oct 17 11:11:35 err, still Oct 17 11:11:48 metacity certainly still links to libgconf Oct 17 11:11:48 Amaranth, oh, btw, have you seen the willow mail Oct 17 11:12:04 I don't think so Oct 17 11:12:18 I thought I gave someone else admin on the team in launchpad and they took it over Oct 17 11:12:26 you gave me admin Oct 17 11:12:56 but i cant make the guy who asked admin, seems onla the team owner can ... make him the owner ;) Oct 17 11:13:15 and hand the team over to him, so we both can resign Oct 17 11:13:22 glenstewart? Oct 17 11:13:26 yep Oct 17 11:14:31 done Oct 17 11:18:07 xranby, if what you are doing is purely bandwidth limited, then of course compositing wm will cut fps quite a bit.. for metacity xrender compositing it amounts to 2 more copies Oct 17 11:18:40 although normally there isn't much point in going faster than 60fps (if you are vsync locked) Oct 17 11:20:34 Amaranth, thanks ! Oct 17 11:25:59 robclark: ok, did you see my question above reguarding documentation for some of the drivers extensions? Oct 17 11:26:51 I'll have to ask around.. off top of my head I'm not sure Oct 17 11:47:10 Hi ogra! Can you have a look at my comment to bug 871650? rsalveti asked me to try something and I don't know exactly which files to use. Oct 17 11:47:11 Launchpad bug 871650 in linux ""unable to enumerate USB device" with BeagleBoard-xM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/871650 Oct 17 11:47:46 jondo, well, i saw your comment, why dont you just wait until rsalveti gets up Oct 17 11:48:12 though testing with linaro might be intresting, could be that we miss a patch or something Oct 17 11:48:41 Sure, I'll wait. Oct 17 11:55:16 what's the difference between uncompressing and unpacking a tar.gz file? If I'm told to uncompress but NOT unpack... Oct 17 11:56:37 dabukalam, heh, who tells you that ? Oct 17 11:56:46 * ogra_ would say its the same Oct 17 12:01:38 ogra_: that's why I'm a bit confused. Oct 17 12:02:00 ogra_: look under 'procedure, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core Oct 17 12:02:01 well, who gave you that info Oct 17 12:02:17 oh, wait, its a tar.GZ Oct 17 12:02:22 yeah Oct 17 12:02:26 you can uncompress it Oct 17 12:02:32 but still keep it a tarball Oct 17 12:02:57 how? Oct 17 12:03:55 ogra_: how? Oct 17 12:03:56 gunzip Oct 17 12:04:26 ogra_: wicked, thanks Oct 17 12:04:33 for step 1 you use gunzip Oct 17 12:04:41 for step 3 you use tar Oct 17 12:08:01 ogra_: yup, got it. Not sure why I can't just tar here then copy the stuff over. Technically the same thing right? Oct 17 12:09:24 ...or why one can't skip step 1, then uncompress/untar in one step Oct 17 12:10:10 right, thats a weird howto Oct 17 12:10:13 yeah. I think the guy the wrote it is confused. also you can only get to that page with /Core not /core. weird Oct 17 12:10:23 cba to change it Oct 17 12:11:27 fixed Oct 17 12:13:53 ogra_: nice :) Oct 17 12:14:11 ogra_: now I'm also a bit confused when it says install boot-loader and install linux Oct 17 12:14:17 ogra_: that's not included in core? Oct 17 12:14:24 no Oct 17 12:14:39 core is a rootfs, no configuration, no users, no setup or anything Oct 17 12:14:53 it is supposed to be the base for people building other stuff on top of it Oct 17 12:15:30 like .i.e a car entertainment system, or a settop box or some such, where you dont have users and put your own UI on top Oct 17 12:15:46 ogra_: yeah. I'm installing this on a i.MX53 board Oct 17 12:15:56 I just wanna see a command line Oct 17 12:16:12 so when it says install linux and boot-loader Oct 17 12:16:19 i get grub and install it on there Oct 17 12:16:22 you need to know how to do that for your HW Oct 17 12:16:26 no Oct 17 12:16:32 grub doesnt support arm Oct 17 12:16:36 ah Oct 17 12:16:44 so i'll find an alternative Oct 17 12:16:47 thats something you need to know in advance, else core is not for you Oct 17 12:16:49 any suggestions? Oct 17 12:17:03 you should know your HW in and out for using core Oct 17 12:17:30 ogra_: ok. Oct 17 12:17:45 if you dont want to use the mx5 images (assuming you have a quickstart board there), and actually need headless, i would go for linaro for now Oct 17 12:18:07 the mx5 images for the quickstart we offer ship a desktop by default Oct 17 12:20:21 i have a quick start board Oct 17 12:20:50 well, either use the mx5 image then or if you want headless your best option is one of the linaro dev images Oct 17 12:21:04 i'm not new to linux, but i'm new to arm, but I need to learn fast :/ Oct 17 12:21:31 a linaro dev image would be a linux kernel or a boot-loader? Oct 17 12:21:51 from what i've understood linaro provides tools. Oct 17 12:22:01 the mx5 image is really trivial to use and you can remove the desktop afterwards if you want (just uninstall the X libs and the rest will vanish along) Oct 17 12:22:13 oh cool. Oct 17 12:22:15 for linaro images, ask linaro :) Oct 17 12:22:27 so basically ubuntu core is just a bunch of packages Oct 17 12:22:32 yes Oct 17 12:22:35 i see Oct 17 12:22:44 its the most minimal OS you need to run apt Oct 17 12:22:50 nothing more Oct 17 12:23:24 cool cool. So if I wanted I could install any apt-based distro Oct 17 12:23:40 no. Oct 17 12:23:57 thats not how distros work Oct 17 12:24:20 a distro is linux + bootloader + packages? Oct 17 12:24:24 you can install ubuntu packages Oct 17 12:24:40 but would run into issues with other apt based systems Oct 17 12:24:53 a distro is far more than a kernel and packages :) Oct 17 12:25:07 also your packages are compiled against certinal librabies Oct 17 12:25:13 *libraries Oct 17 12:26:04 you cant just take a .deb from ubuntu to debian or the other way round, you will need all depending packages too ... and in the end you end up with two versions of essential libs and your system might stop working Oct 17 12:26:32 so just having the apt command doesnt mean you can use any apt based distro out there Oct 17 12:26:51 (btw, i think fedora ahs apt as well, though its not .deb based at all) Oct 17 12:27:16 yeah i get that Oct 17 12:27:33 so wait android is what then? Oct 17 12:27:45 i custom kernel? or a distro or what? Oct 17 12:27:48 *A Oct 17 12:28:23 *somethingÜ Oct 17 12:28:25 :) Oct 17 12:28:46 no idea what i would call android ... its not linux, its not a distro ... Oct 17 12:28:50 it is an OS though Oct 17 12:28:51 :) Oct 17 12:29:45 it's an android Oct 17 12:29:47 ^^ Oct 17 12:29:50 heh Oct 17 12:31:10 heh Oct 17 12:31:19 Android is an entire OS Oct 17 12:31:29 the only similarities is it uses the linux kernel Oct 17 12:32:20 lilstevie, well, some few bits of the linux kernel :) Oct 17 12:32:29 heh Oct 17 12:32:33 the base is the linux kernel Oct 17 12:32:43 sure sure Oct 17 12:32:52 so it's basically a linux-like OS? Oct 17 12:32:55 with specific android patches Oct 17 12:33:04 yes Oct 17 12:33:14 essentially Oct 17 12:33:15 or a linux "based" OS Oct 17 12:33:29 minus libc Oct 17 12:33:48 is ntldr compatible with arm? Oct 17 12:34:00 missing libc doent mean its not linux ;) Oct 17 12:34:11 there are linuxes using other C libs Oct 17 12:34:28 dabukalam, ntldr is for widows NT Oct 17 12:34:39 oh Oct 17 12:34:41 (no that wasnt a typo :P ) Oct 17 12:34:42 nvm Oct 17 12:34:51 another question Oct 17 12:34:58 debian squeeze Oct 17 12:35:04 is the equivalent of ubuntu core? Oct 17 12:35:21 no Oct 17 12:35:31 its a release name Oct 17 12:35:47 like the recent ubuntu release was called oneiric ocelot until release Oct 17 12:36:08 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/MX5 has the instructions for the mx5 images btw Oct 17 12:36:45 (the install is a one liner) Oct 17 12:37:00 i've done that before on a beagleboard Oct 17 12:37:04 ogra_: i confirm that metacity still uses gconf... Oct 17 12:37:05 but this needs to be ubuntu core Oct 17 12:37:17 that would install oneiric wouldn't it? Oct 17 12:37:18 what did the desktopteam say ? Oct 17 12:37:21 ndec, ^^ Oct 17 12:37:30 i didn't ask them... i tried on my board ;-) Oct 17 12:37:33 dabukalam, yes Oct 17 12:37:37 ndec, ah Oct 17 12:37:46 ogra_: so I'm thinking U-boot then :) Oct 17 12:37:55 dabukalam, ubuntu core is also oneiric Oct 17 12:38:06 ogra_: I don't want the excess packages Oct 17 12:38:26 ogra_: my assignment is to get core running on an MX and list the packages Oct 17 12:38:27 thats why i said take the mx5 image and remove them Oct 17 12:38:43 that will be easier than spending two weeks on learning how arm systems boot linux Oct 17 12:39:00 ogra_: the whole point is for me to spend 2 weeks learning about arm :P Oct 17 12:39:04 ogra_: playing catchup Oct 17 12:39:07 ah Oct 17 12:39:09 k Oct 17 12:39:19 so still, take an mx5 image first Oct 17 12:39:31 put it on your SD card Oct 17 12:39:57 wipe the second partiton (forst one is for kernel and bootloader) and put core on the second instead of the existing rootfs Oct 17 12:40:14 that should give you a working core image Oct 17 12:40:24 brilliant Oct 17 12:40:29 that's a great idea Oct 17 12:40:56 hope that goes down well with big brother Oct 17 12:41:00 i'll get back to you :P Oct 17 12:41:04 k Oct 17 12:41:07 good luck Oct 17 12:41:08 thanks a lot Oct 17 12:51:44 jondo: just posted at the bug again, please check my comment there Oct 17 12:52:07 ogra_: out of interest, how complicated would it be to get the kernel and bootloader and put them on there? Oct 17 12:52:37 dabukalam, if you know what you are doing its not to hard Oct 17 12:52:43 xranby: you can enable and disable compositing with metacity by calling it with -c or with --no-composite Oct 17 12:52:57 dabukalam, but to inspect the setup using an existing known to work image is the best start Oct 17 12:53:06 if you call it with --replace it'll also replace your current metacity Oct 17 12:53:24 * ogra_ susüpects it will look really bad though Oct 17 12:53:47 ogra_: oh dea Oct 17 12:53:54 ogra_: I just realised no go Oct 17 12:54:01 ogra_: it's a 2M card Oct 17 12:54:23 will still work Oct 17 12:54:31 okay Oct 17 12:54:47 though it will corrup the rootfs durign write ... but since you want to replace that anyway .... Oct 17 12:55:33 ah Oct 17 12:55:39 so i'm expecting an error Oct 17 12:55:45 ;) Oct 17 12:56:35 right, i think the uncompressed image is something like 2.2G so it will fall off the SD at the end of writing Oct 17 12:57:04 ogra_: i think this is a crappy SD card as well Oct 17 12:57:09 but that doesnt matter, dd does a binary copy and all you are intrested in is the first partition Oct 17 12:57:11 so I could be here all day with this dd command Oct 17 13:01:12 just dd bs=1M count=256 and sudo parted /dev/blah and delete the second partition and recreate it Oct 17 13:01:54 or do the whole thing and do parted.. you might not be able to resize a partition to fit a card if it goes over, it causes a bunch of unrecoverable errors, so best just to delete it Oct 17 13:02:10 you may want to loopmount the sd card image just to get /lib/modules off Oct 17 13:08:28 lilstevie: ping ping Oct 17 13:09:35 shadeslayer: pong Oct 17 13:10:03 lilstevie: are you the same guy who put Ubuntu on the Asus transformer Oct 17 13:10:14 yes Oct 17 13:10:54 ah awesome! I'm trying to boot kubuntu off it, and was wondering if you could point me to any instructions that i can use to build my own rootfs and bootimg ... or is following the wiki enough? Oct 17 13:12:07 well, it isn't too difficult Oct 17 13:12:42 rootfs is the matter of making a loop mounted image Oct 17 13:12:59 putting what you need inside it Oct 17 13:13:01 and uploading Oct 17 13:13:02 lilstevie: oh and I'd like to dual boot it, so can i use the exact same script you posted on xda developers with a different rootfs? Oct 17 13:13:29 ok, well for the case of kubuntu replace initrd in ./ubuntu/ Oct 17 13:13:44 and replace ubuntu.img with your rootfs Oct 17 13:14:03 just remember the size that the image I did is, is the largest that nvflash will handle Oct 17 13:14:10 oh ok Oct 17 13:14:23 lilstevie: and can't I create the rootfs with rootstock? Oct 17 13:15:20 you can create the fs however you like Oct 17 13:15:32 I have just had problems with using rootstock on the later releases Oct 17 13:15:59 problems? Oct 17 13:16:20 now that we have qemu support at live-build we should really start pointing people to use it instead of rootstock Oct 17 13:16:22 rsalveti, oh, btw, since someone mentioned it above, what do we do with rootstock ? Oct 17 13:16:32 yeah, like not creating a working image Oct 17 13:16:33 i would like to remove it from the archive in precision Oct 17 13:16:36 hanging on xulrunner Oct 17 13:16:47 ogra_: yup, live-build should be able to replace it just fine Oct 17 13:16:58 rsalveti, cross build is possible ? Oct 17 13:17:08 and you can define all settings in advance ? Oct 17 13:17:09 ogra_: yup, was pushed last week I believe Oct 17 13:17:18 like user, hostname etc Oct 17 13:17:27 so ... i shuld use live build instead ? Oct 17 13:17:29 ogra_: yup, that's how we do with linaro images Oct 17 13:17:37 awesome Oct 17 13:17:45 someone should write an ubuntu howto then :) Oct 17 13:18:03 ogra_: yup, will try to have that posted soon, so we can point people there later Oct 17 13:18:03 especially how you create bootable ubuntu images :) Oct 17 13:18:16 since i dont think l-b can handle that at all Oct 17 13:18:24 and finally remove rootstock from precise Oct 17 13:18:41 ogra_: well, all our images are created with l-b :-) Oct 17 13:18:49 rsalveti, and you should really poke your guys to use tasks instead of metapackages to not end up will all packages marked as manually installed Oct 17 13:18:49 and currently we're just using upstream Oct 17 13:18:54 without any patch on top Oct 17 13:19:14 rsalveti, your images are dd'able without any further touching directly out of l-b ? Oct 17 13:19:20 ogra_: yup, we'll probably end up using both Oct 17 13:19:27 both ? Oct 17 13:19:34 both what ? Oct 17 13:19:35 ogra_: because we have a few images Oct 17 13:19:41 meta and task Oct 17 13:19:52 you should nevr ever use meta in images Oct 17 13:19:58 ogra_: well, tgall_foo is implementing support for linaro-media-create Oct 17 13:20:03 k Oct 17 13:20:09 ogra_: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, isn't it? Oct 17 13:20:19 in the archive there is a meta, yes Oct 17 13:20:25 iots not used on any images Oct 17 13:20:41 (hasnt been since 2006 i think) Oct 17 13:20:48 so the task installs the meta I believe Oct 17 13:21:15 yes, meta is part of the task Oct 17 13:21:23 ogra_: but you could also add another extension at live-build to have a dd'able image if you want Oct 17 13:21:33 no, thanks Oct 17 13:21:36 shouldn't be that hard Oct 17 13:21:50 and I know some folks from canonical are creating a similar support for cloud based images Oct 17 13:21:51 i'm busy enough keeping debina-cd/cdimage running Oct 17 13:21:57 the same folk who added support for qemu Oct 17 13:23:06 lilstevie: more questions, do i need to run the apply_tegra_* scripts when i build my rootfs from l-b ? Oct 17 13:23:44 apply_tegra_* scripts? Oct 17 13:24:02 apply_tegra_binaries.sh apply_tegra_X_abi.sh Oct 17 13:24:04 ogra_, the disk image support in live-build I wouldn't doubt will support arm in some capacity at some point ... Oct 17 13:24:15 from the linux4tegra ldk Oct 17 13:24:22 ogra_, to me seems like a good idea for "everyone" :-) Oct 17 13:24:22 tgall_foo, yes, i thought so Oct 17 13:24:43 not really, unless its properly integrated with all the testing mechanisms of cdimage/debian-cd Oct 17 13:24:53 so it wont help me for images Oct 17 13:25:02 but it will help me to get rid of rootstock :) Oct 17 13:25:14 with is a primal target atm :) Oct 17 13:25:18 yup :-) Oct 17 13:25:42 we will port all our stuff to debian-installer btw Oct 17 13:25:45 jasper etc Oct 17 13:26:07 and probably switch back to real live images if someone can make the copying speedier Oct 17 13:29:20 shadeslayer: unless you are using the CrOS kernel and u-boot hell no Oct 17 13:29:32 hah, ok Oct 17 13:30:10 it will prevent X from starting if you do not have the right kernel with the right interfaces Oct 17 13:31:36 ogra_: okay it's done. http://i.imgur.com/HAUjE.jpg. As you can see, there are 3 partitions now. The one I've labelled core is the third one right? And I'm to delete everything in there and just copy over the core directory. Oct 17 13:39:44 xranby, this is the answer I got re: GL extensions: Oct 17 13:39:45 As a rule of thumb if they are not listed in the registry at the Khronos Oct 17 13:39:46 site then IMG is not making then publically available anywhere else. Oct 17 13:39:46 http://www.khronos.org/registry/gles/ Oct 17 13:40:59 robclark: ok, well then there are no docs.. i got the question from the lwjgl people because they where not part of the gles registry :) Oct 17 13:43:16 robclark: thank you for asking around Oct 17 13:45:53 fyi xranby, http://software-dl.ti.com/dsps/dsps_public_sw/apps_processors/OMAP35x_AM35x_Video_Texture_Streaming/1_0/index_FDS.html Oct 17 13:46:01 some example of one of those extensions Oct 17 13:46:28 robclark: thank you Oct 17 13:46:38 np Oct 17 14:12:39 robclark: i have managed to find some example code / hits for most of the extensions now http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4237.0.html its onle GL_OES_required_internalformat that we still know nothing about Oct 17 14:26:13 okay just installed oneiric on an MX5 Oct 17 14:26:24 anyone know what the user/pass might be? Oct 17 14:26:26 HOOOOOWWWWW????? Oct 17 14:26:43 my Quickstarts are refusing to get a display on the damn Oneiric dailies Oct 17 14:26:46 NekoXP: don't get too excited I'm pretty sure it didn't work Oct 17 14:27:01 but I just need a user/pass Oct 17 14:27:07 ubuntu/ubuntu maybe Oct 17 14:27:14 tried that :P Oct 17 14:28:28 can you mount the SD on the PC and see what /etc/passwd contains? that'll give you a hint to the username Oct 17 14:28:36 it could be oem/oem Oct 17 14:28:49 it's ubuntu core Oct 17 14:28:53 oh Oct 17 14:28:54 not oneiric Oct 17 14:28:59 sorry i should have said that before Oct 17 14:29:01 ubuntu core has no users set up Oct 17 14:29:11 yeah so how do i get in? Oct 17 14:29:45 usually, boot oneiric, chroot in to the core filesystem and "useradd" Oct 17 14:30:02 AAAAAAAAAAh Oct 17 14:30:06 seriously?!!? Oct 17 14:30:10 failing that, root with no password maaayyyy work at a shell Oct 17 14:30:21 but I am not sure if ttymxc0 is in securetty Oct 17 14:30:26 so it would fail even if you could Oct 17 14:30:32 no Oct 17 14:30:38 it's a localhost.localdomain login Oct 17 14:30:42 so there's obviously no users Oct 17 14:30:45 yeah it's pretty raw Oct 17 14:30:48 haha Oct 17 14:30:57 i just want a ^%$ing package list Oct 17 14:30:58 you're meant to be a super expert in all things ubuntu to be able to use ubuntu core :D Oct 17 14:31:03 oh Oct 17 14:31:10 yeah so i've heard Oct 17 14:31:12 from repos or as already installed? Oct 17 14:31:18 already installed Oct 17 14:31:32 on core Oct 17 14:31:41 because /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list will give you the list of installed packages Oct 17 14:31:47 yeah Oct 17 14:31:51 or spkg -l Oct 17 14:31:53 *d Oct 17 14:32:16 if you have oneiric booted just chroot into the core filesystem, and then dpkg -l from there, it'll work Oct 17 14:32:31