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Dec 01 06:44:04 <infinity> doko: Looks like it's dpkg-shlibdeps misbehaving.  The dependencies are spurious (the packages in question aren't actually linked against libsfgcc1), but once I come up with a sane fix, we'll need to do no-change rebuilds to drop the dep.
Dec 01 11:04:39 <doko> infinity, wondering why, because the sf libraries shouldn't be installed for the python2.7 build
Dec 01 11:06:34 <infinity> doko: They were for my local python build.  That's fixed.  But other packages suffer similar issues (like gcj, for instance).
Dec 01 11:06:49 <infinity> doko: Working on fixing dpkg-shlibdeps so it stops happening.
Dec 01 11:07:07 <infinity> doko: But other than the spurious dep (which is annoying, obviously), it's harmless.
Dec 01 11:18:51 <ogra_> infinity, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_ARM does that look ok to you ?
Dec 01 11:19:15 <ogra_> (anything i should add like: contact the ubuntu-arm team if you encounter probs with your package builds etc ... )
Dec 01 11:22:14 <infinity> ogra_: Sounds reasonable (including the blurb)
Dec 01 11:22:56 <ogra_> k
Dec 01 11:26:09 <jamespage> morning
Dec 01 11:26:25 <jamespage> am I correct in thinking that Ubuntu support armv7 upwards only?
Dec 01 11:26:32 <ogra_> yes
Dec 01 11:27:15 <jamespage> OK; and by default do we compile thumb support (sorry if wrong terminology)?
Dec 01 11:27:26 <ogra_> thumb2, yes
Dec 01 11:27:48 <jamespage> ogra_, great - that validates my thinking on a ftbfs on libv8 then
Dec 01 11:28:04 <jamespage> thanks
Dec 01 14:25:41 <marcompile_panda> Hello, is there a way I can recompile the kernel I'm running right now (with the same version and config) without fetching it from git?
Dec 01 14:35:40 <ogra_> marcompile_panda, install build-essential and fakeroot, then apt-get source linux ...cd into the folder where it was unpacked, run dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot in that folder
Dec 01 14:36:55 <infinity> ogra_: apt-get --only-source source linux, actually.
Dec 01 14:37:06 <infinity> Or you end up with meta. :P
Dec 01 14:37:13 <ogra_> oh, indeed !
Dec 01 14:37:26 <infinity> (And for panda, probably "apt-get --only-source source linux-ti-omap4"
Dec 01 14:37:28 <infinity> )
Dec 01 14:37:45 <infinity> And then, for added fun, "apt-get build-dep linux-ti-omap4"
Dec 01 14:37:47 <ogra_> ah, i missed the panda, yeah
Dec 01 14:38:04 <ogra_> are there actual build deps ?
Dec 01 14:38:10 * ogra_ never needed that 
Dec 01 14:38:18 <infinity> Should be some that aren't build-essential.
Dec 01 14:38:21 <infinity> Like kernel-wedge.
Dec 01 14:38:56 <ogra_> i'm not sure it uses that if you dpkg-buildpackage it
Dec 01 14:39:19 <ogra_> i definitely dont have it installed here and have built multiple kernel packages on this machine before
Dec 01 14:41:01 <ogra_> marcompile_panda, do change the config use debian/rules editconfigs
Dec 01 14:41:14 <ogra_> (assuming you want to actually change it)
Dec 01 14:43:53 <rsalveti> janimo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise
Dec 01 14:44:05 <rsalveti> janimo: to make firefox cross build working with multi-arch at precise
Dec 01 14:46:33 <marcompile_panda> ogra_, will try that. thank you
Dec 01 14:57:14 <ogra_> ********** ARM Team meeting starts in ~5 min in #ubuntu-meeting *********
Dec 01 15:03:35 <ogra_> ********** ARM Team meeting starts now  in #ubuntu-meeting *********
Dec 01 16:19:03 <Jcouture> Hi, I would like to know if it's possible to install Eclipse on an ARM infrastructure and also the JAVA SDK and JVM? Thank you! I'm looking to maybe buy a transformer prime and replace my netbook and my nook color.
Dec 01 16:20:40 <GrueMaster> Jcouture: AFAIK, yes.  I use jvm on arm for qa automation (jenkins slave).  Not sure on eclipse, but it "should" work.
Dec 01 16:26:39 <Jcouture> Ok, sry, I just closed my window by accident, didn't see if somebody answered me
Dec 01 16:27:17 <lilstevie> Jcouture: there is no guarentee that you will be able to run ubuntu on the prime straight up
Dec 01 17:33:17 <Netham46> Are there any tutorials for rebuilding a rootfs using whatever means is currently stable and supported?
Dec 01 17:33:35 <Netham46> Kinda sucks that they dumped rootstock support, it was so easy to use.
Dec 01 17:42:18 <GrueMaster> Netham46: We are working on new documentation.  Should have it ready in the next few weeks.  In the mean time, you can use our ubuntu-core images as a base.
Dec 01 17:51:47 <Netham46> GrueMaster, kk. Know where they are?
Dec 01 17:52:29 <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core
Dec 01 17:52:46 <Netham46> Thanks.
Dec 01 18:08:59 <Sycro5> Hi, I'm using a Pandaboard to run Ubuntu and am having problems using the Bluetooth capabilities.  Are there drivers available to get BT running on the Pandaboard?  I can't find anything definitive online.
Dec 01 18:10:41 <GrueMaster> Sycro5: Which Ubuntu release?  Starting with Oneiric, the firmware should be there (not sure on natty off hand).
Dec 01 18:12:02 <Sycro5> well, I'm actually still using 11.04 at the moment, but I'm happy to upgrade to 11.10 if that will make a difference
Dec 01 18:13:51 <Sycro5> Here is the exact pre-built binary I'm using: http://omappedia.org/wiki/Prebuilt_ubuntu_binaries
Dec 01 18:14:25 <Sycro5> ...the Natty Narwal Netbook
Dec 01 18:15:08 <GrueMaster> Yea, looking at my natty system, I don't see the firmware there.
Dec 01 18:15:51 <Sycro5> what do you recommend then?
Dec 01 18:19:57 <GrueMaster> Oneiric/
Dec 01 18:20:13 <GrueMaster> I see the firmware on that image.
Dec 01 18:20:57 <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz
Dec 01 18:28:40 <Sycro5> thanks a lot.  Can I upgrade to Oneiric using the update manager in Ubuntu, or do I need to re-partition my drive with this build?
Dec 01 18:38:47 <GrueMaster> You should be able to upgrade.  But it is much slower than pulling down a new image (if you are running on SD).
Dec 01 18:39:38 <Sycro5> Great, thanks!
Dec 01 19:02:48 <xenon_> hi all
Dec 01 19:03:23 <xenon_> what is the last stable release ubuntu for pandaboard ?
Dec 01 19:03:59 <xenon_> 10.04? 10.10 ? 11.04 ? 11.10?
Dec 01 19:04:01 <GrueMaster> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-preinstalled-desktop-armel+omap4.img.gz
Dec 01 19:04:16 <xenon_> thanks
Dec 01 19:04:54 <GrueMaster> There is no support in 10.04, 10.10 was initial bring-up.
Dec 01 19:05:23 <xenon_> i have tested this version but it loops for configuration i can install it
Dec 01 19:05:31 <xenon_> i can't*
Dec 01 19:05:40 <GrueMaster> Yea, known issue.
Dec 01 19:06:03 <xenon_> there is no issue actually ?
Dec 01 19:06:25 <xenon_> :(
Dec 01 19:06:56 <GrueMaster> To work around it, when the installer loops back to the language selection,hit <ctrl><alt><F1>, log in as the user you created earlier, and type "sudo oem-config-remove && sudo reboot" (without quotes).
Dec 01 19:07:54 <GrueMaster> There is a timing issue with the SD card driver (I think).  Very hard to debug.
Dec 01 19:08:06 <xenon_> yes
Dec 01 19:08:14 <xenon_> thanks i'll test this issue
Dec 01 19:08:46 <GrueMaster> And Ubuntu-desktop image triggers  this very reliably.  Don't see it on ubuntu-server or kubuntu-desktop.
Dec 01 19:09:33 <xenon_> ok
Dec 02 02:20:47 <therussianjig> is the OMAP4 build optimimized for an ARMv7 arch?
Dec 02 02:22:37 <lilstevie> therussianjig: ubuntu-arm is only built for the v7 arch
Dec 02 02:22:40 <twb> ubuntu only provides armv7 binaries AFAIK
Dec 02 02:23:22 <therussianjig> kk ty
Dec 02 02:34:34 <twb> lilstevie: btw you still ship ext[234] rootfs images, right?
Dec 02 02:34:44 <twb> lilstevie: if you run zerofree(8) on them they will compress better
Dec 02 02:35:23 <twb> http://paste.debian.net/147769/ -- dunno what the numbers mean, but I think it's saying that it *did* make your image more compressible :-)
Dec 02 02:36:03 <lilstevie> yes, ext4 images
Dec 02 02:36:20 <lilstevie> I will keep that in mind
Dec 02 02:36:35 <lilstevie> anything that brings the size down further makes my life easier
Dec 02 02:36:50 <twb> If you have just created a fresh image with e.g. genextimage it won't help much, but if you've an ext that has been lying around and have >>0 edits to it, then it should help
Dec 02 02:37:18 <twb> (I'm doing it now because I'm out of disk on my netbook so zerofree + xz -9e on the rootfs.ext's to save some space :-)
Dec 02 02:37:24 <lilstevie> well it is the omap image from ubuntus servers
Dec 02 02:37:27 <lilstevie> with some edits
Dec 02 02:37:37 <twb> Ah, I didn't know that, interesting
Dec 02 02:38:07 <twb> It'd be cool if you could just ship it as a .mod for a union filesystem, like morphos used to do :-)
Dec 02 02:38:31 <twb> i.e. you say "go download ubuntu's image, then apply my copy-on-write union"
Dec 02 02:41:18 <twb> Or even sexier, a bootloader than can access a /boot on .sq, because then you can just ship an xz-compressed .squashfs and DD it directly onto the disk.
Dec 02 02:41:20 <lilstevie> heh union is a pain
Dec 02 02:41:47 <lilstevie> and it isn't the bootloader that prevents access to boot
Dec 02 02:41:50 <lilstevie> it is the partition layout
Dec 02 02:42:16 <twb> Yes that too
Dec 02 02:42:25 <lilstevie> also
Dec 02 02:42:54 <lilstevie> the other day you said about the 360 s being loud?
Dec 02 02:43:02 <twb> The new ones, yes
Dec 02 02:43:19 <lilstevie> I got one yesterday
Dec 02 02:43:22 <lilstevie> whisper quiet
Dec 02 02:43:36 <twb> lilstevie: the PSU fan?
Dec 02 02:43:43 <twb> That is, the power brick
Dec 02 02:43:44 <lilstevie> yeah, whole thing
Dec 02 02:43:47 <twb> Huh.
Dec 02 02:43:56 <lilstevie> barely makes a sound
Dec 02 02:44:00 <lilstevie> it is a corona board though
Dec 02 02:44:03 <lilstevie> not trinity
Dec 02 02:44:18 <twb> It probably doesn't help that I play games with the sound off/down, and my desk is basically designed to act as a sounding box for any speakers on it
Dec 02 02:44:27 <twb> lilstevie: dunno about corona/trinity business
Dec 02 02:44:38 <lilstevie> trinity is the 360 S initial revision
Dec 02 02:44:39 <twb> I use a 360 because its turnkey, i.e. I don't have to care about that
Dec 02 02:44:47 <lilstevie> corona is the newer lower power one
Dec 02 02:45:21 <lilstevie> heh
Dec 02 02:45:30 <twb> Is there a 1:1 correspondence between corona and having the newer kinect power doodad?
Dec 02 02:45:41 <lilstevie> no idea
Dec 02 02:46:02 <twb> Ah, no I think 360 S is that line, and within that is your two mobo models
Dec 02 02:46:04 <lilstevie> the corona has only been in production for the last 2 or 3 months
Dec 02 02:46:43 <lilstevie> it is going to be my only unhacked console :p
Dec 02 02:48:19 <twb>   7.5 %        93.8 MiB / 158.7 MiB = 0.591   224 KiB/s      12:04   2 h 30 min
Dec 02 02:48:39 <twb> ^^ xz -9e is chugging away on my image still :-)
Dec 02 02:48:59 <lilstevie> heh
Dec 02 02:50:00 <twb> Well, the actual command was "nice ionice -c3 xz -v9eM75%"
Dec 02 02:50:10 <twb> Which translates to be as slow and compressy as possible
Dec 02 02:50:11 <lilstevie> heh
Dec 02 02:50:38 <twb> Probably be faster to scp it to the buildd, compress it, scp it back :P
Dec 02 02:50:48 <lilstevie> lol
Dec 02 02:52:24 <twb> Incidentally you can also make a disk image sparse again using zum(1) from the perforate package
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