**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 03 02:59:57 2011
Dec 03 03:04:32 * utlemming is away: Gone away for now
Dec 03 05:24:14 * utlemming is back.
Dec 03 05:54:34 * utlemming is away: Gone away for now
Dec 03 12:44:25 * ogra_ sees ubuntu-core armhf and applauds infinity ...
Dec 03 12:45:05 <lilstevie> :)
Dec 03 12:45:07 <lilstevie> yay
Dec 03 13:01:18 <infinity> ogra_: Short-lived, mind you.  The buildd is acting up.
Dec 03 13:01:33 <ogra_> oh, still ?
Dec 03 13:01:42 <infinity> ogra_: It'll be doing dailies "later"... When lamont and I can diagnose the issue.
Dec 03 13:01:51 <infinity> ogra_: "still"?  It's a new buildd.
Dec 03 13:02:10 * ogra_ just tried to read the webkit ftbfs log ..
Dec 03 13:02:18 <infinity> Don't worry about it.
Dec 03 13:02:20 <ogra_> smehow it exhausts my 512MB ram
Dec 03 13:02:22 <infinity> Unless you're an ELF wizard.
Dec 03 13:02:32 * ogra_ doesnt think he is :P
Dec 03 13:02:53 <infinity> The webkit FTBFS (and a few others) is due to libicudata.so.48 being a braindead non-library with a hand-crafted (and incorrect) ELF header.
Dec 03 13:02:56 <infinity> I'll get to it soon.
Dec 03 13:03:15 <ogra_> yeah, just saw that in brtty
Dec 03 13:03:31 * infinity nods.
Dec 03 13:03:32 <ogra_> i just dont get why the log is to big for my ram ...
Dec 03 13:03:47 <infinity> Cause web browsers suck.
Dec 03 13:03:54 <ogra_> heh, yeah
Dec 03 13:04:04 <infinity> 5MB log = 500MB to render.
Dec 03 13:04:22 <ogra_> plus caching ...
Dec 03 13:04:25 <infinity> There's a reason I have a laptop with 4G of RAM.
Dec 03 13:04:30 <infinity> Which is now not enough. :P
Dec 03 13:04:34 <infinity> Seemed good 4 years ago.
Dec 03 13:05:01 <ogra_> well, usually my 2G on the ac100 are enough, just slow
Dec 03 13:05:12 <ogra_> (due to swapping)
Dec 03 13:06:01 <infinity> Hrm.
Dec 03 13:06:07 <infinity> Sleep or fix icu, sleep or fix icu...
Dec 03 13:06:17 <ogra_> sleep !
Dec 03 13:06:20 <ogra_> if you can
Dec 03 13:06:26 <infinity> I probably can.
Dec 03 13:06:37 <infinity> I only slept 3 hours yesterday.  From 8am to 11am.
Dec 03 13:06:38 * ogra_ tries a hf chroot from -core 
Dec 03 13:06:50 <infinity> So, I'm at 3 hours of sleep in the last ~48...
Dec 03 13:07:06 <ogra_> yeah, go to bed ...
Dec 03 13:07:22 <infinity> ogra_: Should work.  Let me know if it's broken.  I didn't actually check the manifest or anything.
Dec 03 13:07:36 <ogra_> tar acts up :(
Dec 03 13:07:44 <infinity> ...
Dec 03 13:07:47 <infinity> Let me check..
Dec 03 13:07:52 * ogra_ tries again
Dec 03 13:08:32 <ogra_> but my system might be at fault after two times running out of ram for the webkit log
Dec 03 13:08:41 <ogra_> i should probably reboot to clear all caches
Dec 03 13:09:21 <infinity> tar was happy here.
Dec 03 13:09:35 <ogra_> hmm, untarring with sudo works
Dec 03 13:09:37 <ogra_> weird
Dec 03 13:10:12 <ogra_> ogra@horus:~/chroot-hf$ sudo chroot .
Dec 03 13:10:12 <ogra_> root@horus:/# dpkg --print-architecture
Dec 03 13:10:12 <ogra_> armhf
Dec 03 13:10:12 <ogra_> root@horus:/#
Dec 03 13:10:15 <ogra_> \o/
Dec 03 13:10:36 <ogra_> great, i have something to work in
Dec 03 13:10:38 <infinity> apt-get update and upgrade work, I call it a success.
Dec 03 13:10:48 <infinity> build-essential won't work for you.  No linux-libc-dev.
Dec 03 13:11:22 <infinity> Let me fix that for you. :P
Dec 03 13:11:39 <ogra_> no !
Dec 03 13:11:43 <ogra_> go sleep !
Dec 03 13:11:52 <infinity> It's 2 seconds to give you a link. :P
Dec 03 13:11:55 <ogra_> its saturday
Dec 03 13:11:57 <ogra_> k
Dec 03 13:12:26 * infinity points up.
Dec 03 13:12:28 <infinity> Enjoy.
Dec 03 13:12:32 * ogra_ wishes we could quiten the perl locale warnings in perl itself one day
Dec 03 13:12:44 <infinity> Or you could not have mismatched locales.
Dec 03 13:12:59 <infinity> LANG=C chroot chroot/ su -
Dec 03 13:13:02 <ogra_> sure i just alwas forget to call chroot with LANG=C
Dec 03 13:14:03 <ogra_> i mean the message could be a one liner instead of spamming half a terminal every time
Dec 03 13:14:59 <infinity> And I just verified that with the above linux-libc-dev, build-essential installs in core.
Dec 03 13:15:03 <infinity> So, yay.
Dec 03 13:15:03 <infinity> Enjoy.
Dec 03 13:15:17 <ogra_> yeah, build-essential seems to install fine
Dec 03 13:15:41 <infinity> Actually.
Dec 03 13:16:01 <infinity> If you want to be super effin' helpful, grab the linux source package and make it stop failing on armhf. :P
Dec 03 13:16:12 <infinity> Upload with extreme prejudice, and then push a patch to apw.
Dec 03 13:16:23 <infinity> Sick of linux-libc-dev not being in the archive.
Dec 03 13:17:11 * apw can hear you
Dec 03 13:17:33 <infinity> apw: Can you hear the grump from across the ocean? ;)
Dec 03 13:17:44 <ogra_> why the heck is everyone working on a sat.
Dec 03 13:17:55 <infinity> ogra_: It's still Friday for me.
Dec 03 13:18:04 <infinity> And will be until I sleep..
Dec 03 13:18:18 <ogra_> and why is linux not on the ftbfs list if it fails
Dec 03 13:18:38 <infinity> Cause there've been a few new uploads since.
Dec 03 13:18:41 <infinity> And it's in needs-build.
Dec 03 13:18:49 <ogra_> ah
Dec 03 13:18:55 <infinity> (But those uploads will all fail too)
Dec 03 13:19:44 <ogra_> due to the headers ? or due to the broked buildd ?
Dec 03 13:19:58 <infinity> Neither...
Dec 03 13:20:09 <infinity> Due to the arm build of the kernel not being fixed yet.
Dec 03 13:20:19 <infinity> All the recent linux uploads have been for other arch stuff.
Dec 03 13:20:38 <infinity> s/arm/armhf/
Dec 03 13:20:47 <ogra_> oh, i thought we had that bit before alpha
Dec 03 13:20:53 <infinity> armel works, but who cares about that?  Yesterday's news.
Dec 03 13:20:58 <ogra_> yeah
Dec 03 13:21:04 <ogra_> old arch ...
Dec 03 13:21:12 <ogra_> obsolete crap :P
Dec 03 13:31:32 <apw> infinity, ahh balls more arm fookage, i hate arm
Dec 03 13:31:47 <infinity> apw: It hates you too, honey.
Dec 03 13:32:23 <apw> you got somewhere you can test build a fix, i am tired of waiting for for uploads to fail
Dec 03 13:32:35 <infinity> Sure.
Dec 03 13:35:03 <doko> apw, scheat.canonical.com
Dec 03 13:35:19 <infinity> doko: There's no armhf chroot on scheat, unless lamont just fixed that?
Dec 03 13:35:38 <doko> ahh, I assume he's waiting on linux-libc-dev ;p
Dec 03 13:35:58 <infinity> Yeah, cause he wants to debootstrap it and use his script.
Dec 03 13:36:33 <infinity> apw: Fresh chroot all set up here to test.
Dec 03 13:38:18 <doko> apw, pretty please build linux-libc-dev from separate source
Dec 03 13:38:39 <apw> doko, i don't understand you have the thing buildable anyhow
Dec 03 13:38:56 <apw> maintaining that for 100s of uploads a cycle is pure madness for the 1 time every 5 cycles we need it
Dec 03 13:39:03 <infinity> Indeed.
Dec 03 13:39:03 <apw> infinity, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/armhf/0001-UBUNTU-armhf-add-d-i-configuration.patch
Dec 03 13:39:21 <apw> not that this isn't madenning
Dec 03 13:39:35 <apw> arm being so very differnet from our core arches is hard on the head
Dec 03 13:39:49 <doko> apw: no, you wouldn't need to upload it hundreds of times
Dec 03 13:40:07 <apw> its version locked to the version of the kernel right now, as it comes from the kernel source
Dec 03 13:40:36 <infinity> doko: I'm with apw, honestly.  DEB_STAGE= fixes the bootstrap issue.  After that, we need things to build ANYWAY.
Dec 03 13:40:57 <infinity> So, saying "having linux-libc-dev come from another source package means the kernel can FTBFS forever" is a bit pointless.
Dec 03 13:41:00 <doko> ok, I'll re-merge gcj and gnat into gcc
Dec 03 13:41:12 <apw> right, i thought that fixed you _if_ i could get the krenl to build, sigh
Dec 03 13:42:23 <apw> infinity, how long will your test take ?  i will prepare a source upload, and can push it later
Dec 03 13:42:31 <apw> (based on that outcome)
Dec 03 13:42:38 <infinity> apw: I dunno.  About 4 hours.  But I might be asleep when it finishes. ;)
Dec 03 13:43:08 <apw> well ... yell if and when you find out, and i can get it uploaded
Dec 03 13:43:10 <infinity> apw: Still better than wasting buildd time.
Dec 03 13:43:43 <infinity> Oh, it's already wasting buildd time. :P
Dec 03 13:43:47 <infinity> Well, better than wasting more!
Dec 03 13:44:43 <apw> infinity, heh yeah
Dec 03 13:45:40 <apw> infinity, i wonder thinking about bootstrap, i wonder what would happen if we had just uploaded the main source package but with DEB_STAGE=stage1 set, just once
Dec 03 13:45:57 <apw> that would have just bumped the useless packages, and made libc, and then uploaded it again without
Dec 03 13:46:15 <apw> then you'd have an old libc-dev and nothing else, and i'd still be ok the whole time right ?
Dec 03 13:46:24 <infinity> apw: That would work fine, yeah.
Dec 03 13:46:32 <infinity> apw: And if this test build fails, we might want to do that. :P
Dec 03 13:46:45 <apw> yeah, i'll think about that while you test :)
Dec 03 13:48:14 <infinity> Anyhow, test build is going.
Dec 03 13:49:15 <infinity> ~4 hours to build, ~∞ hours to nap.
Dec 03 13:49:17 <infinity> Ish.
Dec 03 14:02:18 <doko> infinity, why was the eglibc rebuild needed?
Dec 03 14:03:51 <infinity> doko: nscd depended on libsfgcc1.
Dec 03 14:04:19 <doko> bah
Dec 03 14:04:34 <infinity> Some 500ish binary packages did. :P
Dec 03 14:04:42 <infinity> Everything's reuploaded and building.
Dec 03 14:04:49 <infinity> All better "soon".
Dec 03 14:05:35 <ogra_> dont exaggerate, i only had ~300 mails on -changes when i got up :P
Dec 03 14:06:01 <infinity> ogra_: ~300 source packages, ~500 binary.
Dec 03 14:06:13 <ogra_> heh, k :)
Dec 03 14:07:00 <ogra_> (sorry i'm in fighting mode trying to help quietening a troll on ubuntu-users :P )
Dec 03 14:07:40 <infinity> Right.  Nap time.
Dec 03 14:08:32 <infinity> ogra_: If doko puts armhf buildds on manual, smack his knuckles with a ruler and remind him that building something (even if it's the "wrong" thing) is better than being idle and building nothing. :P
Dec 03 14:09:19 * ogra_ looks for that 350km long ruler ... :P
Dec 03 14:11:06 <doko> infinity, well, 15min isn't worth this
Dec 03 17:17:25 * utlemming is back.
Dec 03 20:28:34 <Xase> So I have a kernel booting on the nook color but it's failing to go further than halting at udev
Dec 03 21:37:49 <lilstevie> Xase: standard kernel issue with android devices, enable kernel maintained devtmpfs
Dec 03 21:38:46 <lilstevie> standard kernel config issue*
Dec 03 21:57:33 <dragonkeeper> hey anyone active ?
Dec 04 01:35:10 <Xase> lilstevie: devtmpfs is set
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