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Dec 20 03:00:10 <cdahmedeh> wait wait.. FLASH?
Dec 20 03:00:16 <twb> lilstevie: which will also be why e.g. xterm can't use two-finger scroll
Dec 20 03:00:21 <GrueMaster> yep.
Dec 20 03:00:31 <cdahmedeh> i heard nothing then
Dec 20 03:00:31 <twb> GrueMaster: urk; I didn't need to hear that :-/
Dec 20 03:00:54 <GrueMaster> It was designed as a demo, then just kept going forward.
Dec 20 03:01:09 <cdahmedeh> oh great
Dec 20 03:01:26 <cdahmedeh> product manager type sees demo "LOOKS GREAT SHIP IT TOMORROW!!!!"
Dec 20 03:01:37 <cdahmedeh> dev: "uhh.. sir.. this is flash.. like this is a demo"
Dec 20 03:01:43 <GrueMaster> The *real* fun was testing Vista on the poulsbo.  Don't get me started.
Dec 20 03:01:46 <lilstevie> twb: look up geis rules, you can probably add one
Dec 20 03:02:03 <cdahmedeh> GrueMaster, why does it suck too under windows?
Dec 20 03:02:26 <GrueMaster> Yea, I had engineers complaining that the moblin desktop would consume 50% cpu on login and stay there.
Dec 20 03:02:44 <GrueMaster> cdahmedeh: Name ANYTHING that didn't suck under Vista.
Dec 20 03:02:50 <twb> Need to drop flash and bring back hypercard
Dec 20 03:03:08 <cdahmedeh> GrueMaster, uhm.. i'm going to need a few centuries to find something
Dec 20 03:03:09 <twb> GrueMaster: ntfs hard links!
Dec 20 03:03:30 <twb> IIRC ntoskrnl 6.0 added those
Dec 20 03:03:38 * GrueMaster would trade couchDB for zoomracks.
Dec 20 03:04:29 * GrueMaster wonders how many people are now looking up zoomracks in wikipedia.
Dec 20 03:04:39 <twb> lilstevie: looks like libgeis got uninstalled when I threw out gnome, and it doesn't seem to be in the normal repos
Dec 20 03:05:02 <twb> Oh, libutouch-geis, there it is
Dec 20 03:06:27 <twb> Looks like geis is mainly used by unity, eog and evince.
Dec 20 03:06:42 * GrueMaster is EOD.  Later.
Dec 20 03:07:14 <twb> explosive ordinance disposal?
Dec 20 03:07:38 <GrueMaster> Well, that too.  :P
Dec 20 03:08:10 <GrueMaster> Although I wouldn't call it "ordinance".
Dec 20 03:08:19 <twb> Oops
Dec 20 03:16:19 <lilstevie> twb: that is correct, you need to add rules for each program
Dec 20 03:17:41 <twb> Does that work for arbitrary programs or only ones that are already linked to libutouch?
Dec 20 03:17:53 <twb> Are there example rules somewhere I can look at?
Dec 20 03:20:03 <lilstevie> look on the ubuntu wiki
Dec 20 03:20:08 <lilstevie> there is something there somewhere
Dec 20 03:20:09 <twb> Okey dokey
Dec 20 03:24:08 <twb> It looks like ginn is the wrapper that deals with "legacy" (read: non-libutouch) X applications
Dec 20 03:25:41 <twb> And utouch is an ubuntuism so it stands to reason other distros are doing something else...
Dec 20 03:27:31 <twb> Oh, and apparently ginn isn't needed for "toolkits", which I think means GTK2 and Qt3
Dec 20 03:27:52 <TheMuso> UTouch doesn't necessarily mean Ubuntu.
Dec 20 03:31:31 <lilstevie> also I don't know any other distro that does touch
Dec 20 03:31:56 <lilstevie> evdev still only supports single touch on most distros
Dec 20 03:33:47 <twb> OK, it goes like this: evdev/synaptics > mt > utouch > grail > geis > unity/ginn/touchegg
Dec 20 03:36:01 <lilstevie> evdev is the xserver module
Dec 20 03:36:16 <twb> Right
Dec 20 03:36:42 <lilstevie> and utouch/grail are the dm agents
Dec 20 03:36:51 <twb> ">" meaning "is used by"
Dec 20 03:37:04 <twb> DM as in display manager?
Dec 20 03:37:09 <lilstevie> yes
Dec 20 03:37:19 <twb> But I'm not even using a display manager
Dec 20 03:37:39 <twb> I just do "xinit /usr/bin/appliction"
Dec 20 03:37:44 <twb> *application
Dec 20 11:58:01 * ogra wonders why multivers is missing in his sources.list on fresh installs
Dec 20 11:58:07 <ogra> *multiverse
Dec 20 11:58:20 <ogra> funnily all other components are there
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