**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 01 02:59:57 2012 Feb 01 04:11:20 I have followed the instructions on http://www.freepbx.org/trac/wiki/UbuntuServer, and am booting a gumstix, I get the following output and then it hangs. http://pastebin.com/7u5CBQq3. Feb 01 04:11:59 I did, then did not copy the boot.scr (because the geometry is for a panda not a gumstix) Feb 01 04:16:39 http://pastebin.com/F07sMNN9 Feb 01 04:16:49 is the output from ls -asl on the fat32 partition Feb 01 04:27:37 trelane: "Loading u-boot.bin from mmc" is the last message? Feb 01 04:28:17 Most obvious guess is the system is not configured to send boot-time console, and the login screen to the serial port Feb 01 04:30:17 yeah Feb 01 04:30:18 hrm Feb 01 04:30:19 could be Feb 01 04:30:38 in fact, not unlikely Feb 01 04:32:17 Note that it's not always ttyS0 on embedded ARM Feb 01 04:32:27 often it's ACM0 or some other fun thing, I dunno about your device Feb 01 04:37:03 ttyS2 on gumstix Feb 01 04:37:05 I didn't set it Feb 01 04:37:06 give me a few Feb 01 04:37:40 You need to do it in two places: first, console=/dev/ttyS2 passed to the kernel, and second you need an /etc/init/ttyS2.conf that is similar to the ones for tty0.conf et al Feb 01 04:38:36 I am speaking in general; I am not an expert re. arm Feb 01 04:40:19 noted Feb 01 04:44:00 trelane: out of curiosity, where is the rootfs in your system? In the MLO/ dir? Feb 01 04:53:58 second ext4 partition on the SD card Feb 01 04:54:12 partition 1 has MLO u-boot uImage boot.scr Feb 01 04:54:19 Ah, righto Feb 01 04:54:22 partition 2 has the ubuntu-base Feb 01 04:54:32 extracted as an ext4 partition Feb 01 04:54:38 I'm playing with the boot.scr script Feb 01 04:54:57 even if I can't get IT to output to /dev/ttyS2, I _SHOULD_ be able to get the kernel or at least getty to do os Feb 01 04:55:03 really I'm not picky Feb 01 04:55:08 as long as I get a boot prompt Feb 01 05:01:20 We'll see if you feel the same AFTER it stops working for some strange reason and you want to debug it ;-) Feb 01 09:19:15 Is there any latest release for Ubuntu? Last-time i had problem to keep Ubuntu inside the "Eee pad transformer" where i need to do manually boot else it does abnormal loop . Feb 01 09:23:37 IamTrying: you have a TF101? Feb 01 09:23:57 twb: are you trent? Feb 01 09:24:01 yes Feb 01 09:24:09 twb, exactly TF101 Feb 01 09:24:10 hi, iker Feb 01 09:24:19 shaola: I'm also going home in about five minutes, sorry Feb 01 09:24:37 i got working multitouch in debian armhf Feb 01 09:24:43 i was writting you an email Feb 01 09:24:46 IamTrying: lilstevie has some pages and code on the xda web forum, which you can use to get oneiric working OK Feb 01 09:24:56 shaola: cool Feb 01 09:25:14 twb, i think i did that and i end up with this: http://i.imgur.com/AGSzH.png Feb 01 09:26:58 I get that sometimes when trying to shut down / reboot Feb 01 09:27:12 Especially if I halt/reboot while the dock is connected Feb 01 09:27:32 Or it may be a completely different koops to mine, I can't see there the actual error Feb 01 09:27:57 IamTrying: you are using the OLiFE installer that has the interactive prompting menu stuff? Feb 01 09:28:13 Yes for the very first time i had a luck one time and after reboot / shutdown since then i am lost i can not use it anymore. Feb 01 09:28:25 IamTrying: if so, you have to pick the first option (Android + Linux, default to Android) or it has misc bugs Feb 01 09:28:26 Always using OLiFE yes, thats they best one well done. Feb 01 09:28:45 There was a problem bug, like you can not auto mate it Feb 01 09:28:54 OLiFE is made by lilstevie, who is here but probably away because he has a girlfriend Feb 01 09:28:54 You have to press button up or something to boot Feb 01 09:29:12 IamTrying: right Feb 01 09:29:14 Yea sure. Feb 01 09:29:41 we are talking in #asus-transformer Feb 01 09:29:42 You have to hit Power+VolDN during the early boot, and then it will prompt to press VolUp which if you do, will boot oneiric Feb 01 09:29:53 shaola: ah, thanks Feb 01 09:29:58 * twb adds it to autojoin list Feb 01 09:30:10 The problem i there is no stable release with OLiFE for this? So that i can put one Ubuntu stable now like my Android tablet is "he is dead, useless" Feb 01 09:30:27 IamTrying: this is all alpha-quality early days stuff, sorry Feb 01 09:30:37 there is no stable Feb 01 09:30:38 not yet Feb 01 09:30:48 We really need one :) Feb 01 09:30:50 IamTrying: but it is (almost) impossible to brick it completely Feb 01 09:30:59 I am 1 person, who has very very little contributions back Feb 01 09:31:07 IamTrying: even if you mess up the install you should be able to reinstall again with nvflash Feb 01 09:31:11 twb, the only way to brick is hardware damage Feb 01 09:31:13 :) Feb 01 09:31:27 lilstevie: because you have a girlfriend to waste your time :P Feb 01 09:31:31 APX is a bootrom mechanism Feb 01 09:31:45 twb, no I mean like nobody else contributes Feb 01 09:31:53 Yeah because I'm a lazy bum Feb 01 09:32:14 the only *real* code contribution has been the network-manager patch for the bcm4329 driver Feb 01 09:32:15 Can we not put Tizen at-least so that we got some options if Ubuntu not then at-least Tizen or other Linux to survive without built-in Android. Feb 01 09:32:22 And my old machine is still bricked so I can't mess with my TF easily :-( Feb 01 09:32:35 lilstevie: i am trying to do something, but i am not that good Feb 01 09:32:51 shaola: even testing and reporting bugs is helpful IMO Feb 01 09:32:58 And writing documentation Feb 01 09:33:06 yes, i know Feb 01 09:33:13 i try to do my best in debian Feb 01 09:33:33 reporting bugs, writing for people who knows less than me, i even mantain a simple package Feb 01 09:33:54 Pub time, bye Feb 01 09:34:08 yes, even documenting and bug reports are useful Feb 01 09:34:17 but even that is lax on contributions Feb 01 09:34:22 lilstevie: are you DD? Feb 01 09:34:39 y know twb is DD Feb 01 09:34:56 DD? Feb 01 09:35:07 Debian Developer Feb 01 09:35:10 no Feb 01 09:35:16 I am unaffiliated Feb 01 09:35:19 ok Feb 01 09:35:22 so tell me Feb 01 09:35:26 what do you need? Feb 01 09:35:28 I am a school teacher :p Feb 01 09:36:01 congratulations for having the best and the worst profession in the same time Feb 01 09:36:24 yep :p Feb 01 09:36:46 anyway, what I need is people to take some of the load off me for supporting everything Feb 01 09:36:47 :p Feb 01 09:37:06 i am not good programming Feb 01 09:37:09 that's my problem Feb 01 09:37:15 aka; support for users, documentation, kernel patches Feb 01 09:37:32 i learned so many years ago with qbasic manual in my home when i was a kid Feb 01 09:37:40 but ,... basic is not programing Feb 01 09:38:26 anyway, i am kind of busy till mid february Feb 01 09:38:49 heh, I'm not the best programmer, but I have been getting better, well when I am not making stupid mistakes like sizeof(pointer) Feb 01 09:39:16 anyway, as two said before, I have a girlfriend, and she wants to go to the whops Feb 01 09:39:19 shops* Feb 01 09:39:21 later Feb 01 09:39:29 yeah, the first is the first Feb 01 09:39:42 i don't know if there is an english expresion like that Feb 01 09:39:49 maybe too literaly Feb 01 09:39:59 but i think you know what i mean Feb 01 09:40:24 so, go and enjoy (aghhhh) shopping Feb 01 09:40:25 :P Feb 01 11:40:23 slangasek: could you please have a look to this bug/patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multistrap/+bug/874505 TIA Feb 01 11:40:24 Launchpad bug 874505 in multistrap "Native Multistrap oneiric chroots have an error configuring base-files" [Undecided,Confirmed] Feb 01 13:12:06 * ogra_ twiddles thumbs watching an ac100 alpha2 testinstall Feb 01 13:20:40 hmm, no slideshow on the ac100 installer Feb 01 13:23:51 heh Feb 01 13:26:41 ogra_: What do you want, sparkly pony pictures? Feb 01 13:29:12 just the std ubiquity slideshow :) Feb 01 13:33:53 * lilstevie totally thought Daviey said "sparkly porn pictures" Feb 01 13:38:04 he meant to say that but typoed :P Feb 01 13:44:21 lol Feb 01 15:07:14 Hi, has anyone got ubuntu working on a qualcomm board Feb 01 15:07:26 I have a dragon board with me & its got android Feb 01 15:07:46 I can flash android related images onto it using fastboot Feb 01 15:07:52 jayson_, the guys in #linaro do afaik Feb 01 15:08:21 but I want to wipe out fastboot & try to install uboot Feb 01 15:08:37 thanks ogra_ - I'll give it a shot Feb 01 15:37:03 lilstevie: dude, is there any hope of getting a native ubuntu boot on a device with SBKv2 ? Feb 01 15:37:27 You mentioned last time that there might be a way ... haven't heard anything for the past 2 months or so Feb 01 16:09:03 GrueMaster, did you get a kbd selection dialog in any of your install tests the last days ? Feb 01 16:09:29 Yes, on omap/omap4/mx5. Feb 01 16:10:11 I think. I'm pulling the latest builds now, will test very soon. Feb 01 16:29:55 shadeslayer, yes, but I have been really busy the past month or so Feb 01 16:30:52 lilstevie: understood, I'll patiently wait, let me know if there's anyway I can help :) Feb 01 16:31:04 with testing and stuff Feb 01 16:31:06 ok Feb 01 16:31:10 well bed time Feb 01 16:31:15 night :) Feb 01 17:42:18 I'm wondering if bug 838200 is u-boot or kernel related. It is highly annoying, whatever the root cause. Feb 01 17:42:18 Launchpad bug 838200 in u-boot-linaro "No network support on Beagle XM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200 Feb 01 18:32:32 ogra_: keyboard selection comes up on omap4 desktop. Could be the images don't like you. :P Feb 01 18:32:45 bah, ok Feb 01 18:33:19 might be that something clashes with the new wlan step in ubiquity Feb 01 18:33:26 i assume you dont get that on panda Feb 01 19:27:24 I have all my systems wired. I could try wireless during install (I usually wait until login to test it). Feb 01 19:27:57 Sigh. Analog audio is broken again on omap4. Feb 01 19:49:58 Hi guys, I'm trying to force ubuntu to start with a terminal rather than gnome on a pandaboard, anyideas? Feb 01 19:50:56 Use the preinstalled server image instead of preinstalled desktop. Feb 01 19:51:44 ok, but going that route I wasnt able to get gnome running at all Feb 01 19:53:16 Hmm. There may be a way through one of the /etc/init conf files. I just don't test that. Feb 01 19:54:00 When you say "a terminal", do you mean a text console, or a GUI session with a terminal application? Feb 01 19:54:08 text console Feb 01 19:54:15 If the former, just disable lightdm. Feb 01 19:54:23 Or gdm, on older releases before we switched. Feb 01 19:55:33 I've ssh'ed in, stopping lightdm doesnt bring the main display to a console Feb 01 19:56:07 What does it do? Feb 01 19:56:51 it gives me a display of recently stopped processes, but doesnt give me commandline access Feb 01 19:57:47 Alt-F1 Feb 01 19:58:07 ok that worked Feb 01 20:00:13 dioxin: If you add "text" to your kernel command line, that should prohibit fancy graphical stuff from starting on boot. Feb 01 20:00:16 dioxin: What happens when you move /etc/init/lightdm.conf to a different directory and reboot? Feb 01 20:00:35 (Alternately, yeah, you can mangle/remove lightdm's config) Feb 01 20:03:00 where are the kernal command Feb 01 20:03:27 ??? Feb 01 20:03:48 where are the kernal commands stored, i.e where do I edit them Feb 01 20:03:49 hi all. any idea why lshw is dying on me on this pandaboard? http://paste.ubuntu.com/825549/ Feb 01 20:04:48 dioxin: I think you are referring to /boot/boot.script if you want to change the kernel boot parameters. You will need to run "sudo flash-kernel" after editing this file. Feb 01 20:05:25 dioxin: sudo sed -i -e 's/splash/text/' /boot/boot.script && sudo flash-kernel Feb 01 20:05:41 RoyK: What kernel/Ubuntu release? Feb 01 20:06:25 GrueMaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/825556/ Feb 01 20:07:46 Yeahp, SIGBUS here too. Wonder why no one's ever noticed that before. :P Feb 01 20:07:52 RoyK: Can you file a bug? Feb 01 20:08:15 sure Feb 01 20:08:37 RoyK: To be fair, even if fixed, it won't be wildly informative on ARM. You'll get USB, and that's it. Feb 01 20:08:47 RoyK: So, lsusb will work fine for you. :P Feb 01 20:08:54 RoyK: But it should still be fixed to not break. Feb 01 20:10:08 hm... so where'll the wifi chipset be connected on this pandaboard? on usb? Feb 01 20:10:51 If only you were so lucky. Feb 01 20:11:39 No, there are a few devices connected on (usually SoC-specific) busses on all ARM devices, but they're not probable, and until either DeviceTree or ACPI get here, they's also not remarkably easily enumerated. Feb 01 20:11:58 Walking /sys after you already loaded all the drivers would work, but that's not how lshw traditionally works. Feb 01 20:13:05 ok Feb 01 20:13:07 hmm even if I remove splash and replace it with text , it still boots to a session manager Feb 01 20:13:26 dioxin: oneiric? Feb 01 20:13:32 yes Feb 01 20:13:43 Huh. That was fixed. At least, it was here. Feb 01 20:13:51 dioxin: move /etc/init/lightdm.conf to a different directory. That works here. Feb 01 20:14:30 for ARG in $(cat /proc/cmdline); do Feb 01 20:14:31 if [ "$ARG" = "text" ]; then Feb 01 20:14:31 plymouth quit || : Feb 01 20:14:31 stop Feb 01 20:14:31 exit 0 Feb 01 20:14:33 fi Feb 01 20:14:35 done Feb 01 20:14:50 dioxin: Did you change actually "take"? Do you see a sane command line in /proc/cmdline? Feb 01 20:15:50 seems so, cat of cmdline seems normal Feb 01 20:16:31 And by "normal", you mean "contains the word text"? Feb 01 20:16:54 ro elevator=noop vram=32M mem=456M@0x80000000 mem=512M@0xA0000000 root=UUID=4ad147d9-7e0b-4fb9-af24-940fe60ac01f fixrtc quiet text Feb 01 20:17:45 Hrm, kay. Then lightdm starting is just plain wrong... Feb 01 20:18:41 just moved lightdm.conf to lightdm.conf.bak Feb 01 20:18:54 and I get a cmdline straight away Feb 01 20:19:05 As you should, sure. Feb 01 20:19:12 But text on the command line should have the same effect. Feb 01 20:19:21 Unless you don't have the above code in your lightdm.conf Feb 01 20:19:29 In which case, I question if you're actually running oneiric. :P Feb 01 20:20:26 (Note that that was fixed in November in oneiric-proposed, so if you haven't upgraded since the install, you wouldn't have it) Feb 01 20:21:49 what's the reason for these custom buses? Feb 01 20:22:29 RoyK: Eh? Feb 01 20:22:39 Custom busses? They are actually fairly standard for embedded devices. Feb 01 20:22:43 RoyK: Every system has custom busses. Feb 01 20:22:48 RoyK: Even x86 systems. Feb 01 20:23:11 RoyK: The difference is that x86, powerpc, sparc, and a few others, enumerate said busses in a standard (OF/DT/ACPI) way. Feb 01 20:23:15 Custom to me implies non-standard. Feb 01 20:23:26 RoyK: ARM hasn't, traditionally, but things are moving that direction. Feb 01 20:23:31 ok Feb 01 20:23:47 GrueMaster: Yeah, I'm going to stick with "custom", even by your definition. ;) Feb 01 20:23:52 for ARM to gain wide support, I guess that's a must Feb 01 20:24:00 GrueMaster: Stuff hanging right off the SoC isn't in a particularly standard formart. Feb 01 20:24:15 RoyK: You realise ARM CPUs are in more computers worldwide than any other architecture? Feb 01 20:24:21 RoyK: I'd say they have "wide support". ;) Feb 01 20:24:32 RoyK: But yes, we all want better device enumeration. Feb 01 20:24:51 infinity: I know, i know... Feb 01 20:25:11 infinity: but for ARM CPUs to be used in "traditional" computers, you really want device enumeration to work Feb 01 20:25:46 RoyK: *hand wavy* Feb 01 20:26:00 RoyK: The only place where it really matters is being able to ship a single kernel that boots all devices. Feb 01 20:26:12 * RoyK has read a bit about using ARM for HPC, but it seems memory buses on ARM are still slow... Feb 01 20:26:13 Not that I have time to debate this, but nothing hangs right off the SOC. The SOC has internal busses, same as Intel with an external south bridge (just in one convenient package). Feb 01 20:26:18 RoyK: Which is something Microsoft is pushing. No Win8 logo without ACPI. Feb 01 20:26:43 GrueMaster: The SoC has internal bridges on the SoC, hence some things hang "right off it". Feb 01 20:26:51 GrueMaster: That's the definition of an SoC. Feb 01 20:27:00 GrueMaster: Many devices are right on the SoC, even. Feb 01 20:27:09 infinity: apt-get upgrade 'ing now Feb 01 20:27:12 GrueMaster: And there's no standard way for how it's all put together, or how you discover what's there. Feb 01 20:27:23 infinity: right on, as in "simply memory mapped..."? Feb 01 20:27:33 RoyK: Yeahp. Feb 01 20:28:06 RoyK: And nothing wrong with simple mmaped devices (it's the way sparc and powerpc have gotten by for decades), but you need a way to enumerate the devices in a system, since you can't probe that. Feb 01 20:28:41 sparc and powerpc use device trees, x86 uses ACPI, ARM now has both DT and ACPI implementations, and very few boards supporting either. :P Feb 01 20:29:13 mhm Feb 01 20:29:33 RoyK: As for memory throughput, things have improved a lot lately. And products that are "coming soon" are better still. Feb 01 20:29:50 RoyK: But it's certainly nowhere near the throughput of, say, AMD systems. Feb 01 20:29:59 RoyK: But hey, Intel can't beat AMD's memory throughput either. ;) Feb 01 20:30:37 heh - we use AMD rather a lot for HPC :þ Feb 01 20:30:58 you really want a good memory bus for 16 cores on a cpu Feb 01 20:31:04 Yeah. We tend to buy mirrored AMD and Intel systems, and pick and choose depending on workload. Feb 01 20:31:20 If throughput is king, go AMD, if math is where it's at, Intel. Feb 01 20:32:21 and for portable? Feb 01 20:32:21 is really Intel that much better than AMD on fp? Feb 01 20:32:43 dioxin: portable HPC? ;) Feb 01 20:33:13 RoyK: no reason why not ;) Feb 01 20:33:20 RoyK: Currently, Intel tends to beat AMD on most fp and int workloads. But it's got to be pure number crunching and register flipping. As soon as you start working with large datasets, AMD comes back strong. Feb 01 20:33:52 infinity: the runs we have, usually have 1-4GB datasets per job Feb 01 20:34:08 so I guess we can stay with AMD a while... Feb 01 20:34:10 For portable, I'd have to push Intel. I have seen recent models of both Intel & AMD, and the AMD runs a lot hotter. Feb 01 20:34:25 GrueMaster: you were supposed to say ARM ;) Feb 01 20:34:32 lol Feb 01 20:36:10 Well for battery life and low heat, arm by far. But until there is a current mass produced Arm netbook that supports Ubuntu, I have to stick with x86 hardware (AC100 doesn't count as it is discontinued and Asus Prime is not supported in our current releases). Feb 01 20:39:02 Yeah, I'm still waiting for a killer ARM netbook. :/ Feb 01 20:39:15 And with next-gen ARM cores, we could see ARM "ultrabooks" too. Feb 01 20:39:21 (ie: fast and small) Feb 01 20:39:47 yep. Feb 01 20:40:09 But I won't hold my breath until I actually see hardware. Feb 01 20:42:43 sigh, why is it the platform I care the lease about has working audio ootb? Feb 01 20:45:41 Speaking of subarches, I should dig up a spare microSD, and get testing mx53 kernels... Feb 01 20:45:57 See if we can't get it bumped to 3.2 after the Alpha. Feb 01 20:46:48 That would be nice. The current kernel won't work on the newer rev boards. Feb 01 20:47:01 Oh, ick, really? Feb 01 20:47:29 No usb. It sits and reenumerates in a constant loop. Feb 01 20:47:54 That sounds special. Feb 01 20:47:58 I'll log it and file a bug, but if the new kernel fixes it, this is moot. Feb 01 20:48:06 * infinity nods. Feb 01 20:48:15 Don't waste your time on it until we've upgraded. Feb 01 20:48:19 Meh. Typical hw mod. Feb 01 20:48:42 I may need to file it for A2, so other users don't come whining. Feb 01 20:49:27 There's that, yeah. Feb 01 20:50:25 Also, the system is horridly slow on SD. beagleXM is easily 4x faster. Feb 01 20:51:08 Yeah, I use mine on SATA. Feb 01 20:51:20 Haven't tested a pure SD setup on the mx53 since a day or two after I got it... Feb 01 20:54:31 [ 57.856303] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71 Feb 01 20:54:31 [ 58.626361] usb 1-1: device not accepting address 8, error -71 Feb 01 20:54:31 [ 59.286332] usb 1-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71 Feb 01 20:54:31 [ 59.292248] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1 Feb 01 20:54:43 From the new mx53 board. Feb 01 20:55:19 (and of course we don't enable serial console on our desktop images, so I can't log in). Feb 01 21:06:08 infinity: the boot is now fixed after the upgrade Feb 01 21:06:20 takes long enough tho! Feb 01 21:59:30 infinity: Here's an interesting (kind of) bug. Bug 925035 only appears to affect armel. Not seeing it on armhf images. Feb 01 21:59:31 Launchpad bug 925035 in unity-lens-applications "unity-applications-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925035 Feb 01 22:04:07 * RoyK looks at dioxin and wonders if he should renick himself as a pollutant too Feb 01 22:05:05 GrueMaster: Reliably reproducible? Feb 01 22:05:07 * dioxin shakes his head at RoyK ..... "pollutant indeed" he muses Feb 01 22:05:44 Both bladner and I saw it on mx5, I saw it on omap & omap4. All armel images. Feb 01 22:05:59 GrueMaster: That sounds fairly reliable. Kay. :) Feb 01 22:06:27 Not sure how reproducible it is. I'd have to delete the crash report & retry. Too busy with milestone testing atm. Feb 01 22:07:06 GrueMaster: Yeah, the anecdotal evidence that several people have seen it is enough for now. Feb 01 22:09:12 Hmmm. preinstalled-server fails to network via wifi on panda. (could be my config though). Feb 01 22:10:11 I seemed to get that working when I config'ed the wifi via the install process Feb 01 22:10:19 (using PandaboardES Feb 01 22:10:41 dioxin: server or desktop image? Feb 01 22:10:55 server image Feb 01 22:11:35 Hmmm. Could also be this particular board. Feb 01 22:12:20 (I have many). Feb 01 22:12:30 lucky sod ;) Feb 01 22:12:54 Lucky? I bought most of them for testing. Feb 01 22:14:32 The more I have, the more I can test (to a point). For example, I can currently test every flavor of Ubuntu Precise on omap4 at one time. But I only have one beaglexm, and 8 images to test on it, so it is slower. Feb 01 22:17:11 I probably shouldnt complain... i have like 5 i5 systems floating around ;) plus others Feb 01 22:19:06 I also have a lot of other systems. My office has 5 monitors and 15 systems currently running (2 x86, rest are arm based). Not counting laptops or systems in my rack cabinet. Feb 01 22:19:53 arent they all company supplied? Feb 01 22:20:10 Some are, but he likes to go overboard. ;) Feb 01 22:21:46 next system I'm likely to go overboard on is RaspberryPi, but only cos per unit they are cheap :D Feb 01 22:21:50 I like having a home lab. :P Feb 01 22:22:24 I need the time to build mine, components are in every draw I can find! Feb 01 22:22:27 dioxin: I would hold off. I hear there is another platform in the works that is armv7 and almost as cheap. Feb 01 22:22:38 We won't support raspberry pi. Feb 01 22:22:55 I have money to burn on both ;) Feb 01 22:23:36 1 pandaboard is like 6 RaspberryPi's I think Feb 01 22:25:28 I've heard wind of the armv7, but they arent even close to production yet Feb 01 22:33:33 dioxin: isn't 7 the current and 8 the next? Feb 01 22:33:54 with 8 supporting 64bit etc Feb 01 22:34:06 I think for RaspberryPi its arm5 or 6 Feb 01 22:34:51 Sort of. Armv7 is 32 bit, armv8 will be 64 bit. There are some things in between that have been announced as well. Feb 01 22:35:05 Raspberry is Armv6. Feb 01 22:35:49 Key difference is Thumb2 support, which reduces the size of instructions (I think). Feb 01 22:36:08 http://www.arm.com/products/processors/classic/arm11/arm1176.php Feb 01 22:36:15 thats the R-Pi chip Feb 01 22:36:33 Yea. Feb 01 22:37:00 Arm versioning prior to v7 is a bit wonky. Feb 01 22:37:01 single core only as well I think Feb 01 22:38:03 Armv7 is the first to introduce SMP in the SOC. I think some vendors have done it with armv6, but only at the instruction set level (i.e they have their own core design). Feb 01 22:38:09 GrueMaster: *size* of instructions? Feb 01 22:39:56 The Thumb (T32) instruction set provides a subset of the most commonly used 32-bit ARM instructions which have been compressed into 16-bit wide opcodes. Feb 01 22:40:01 From http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/instruction-set-architectures.php Feb 01 22:43:00 k Feb 01 22:46:55 will Ubuntu Server ARM fit onto 4GBs SD? Feb 01 22:48:05 Yes. Feb 01 22:48:24 All of our preinstalled images are designed for 4G SD or larger. Feb 01 22:48:33 and is there an image for a minimal file system with either SSH or serial? Feb 01 22:48:49 It won't give you much room to really go wild, but it is good for some things. Feb 01 22:49:34 The server image is about as minimal for a bootable headless install as we can make. It is configured via serial console. Feb 01 23:36:34 hello arm people Feb 01 23:36:51 i currently have the quickstart board with linux-linaro-lt-mx5 kernel installed Feb 01 23:37:04 i just upgraded to precise and it seems like the latest version of that kernel is 2.6.38 Feb 01 23:37:13 is there a successor package, or is that the kernel i should be using? Feb 01 23:53:10 desrt: That's the current one still. We're working on getting a 3.2 kernel into shape, but it's not in the archive yet. Feb 01 23:53:40 cool. thanks for the info. Feb 02 00:13:34 grrr... I've just overwritten an image file trying to write to a SD card.... Feb 02 00:57:59 is it possible to install gnome-classic on Oneric? Feb 02 00:59:15 On arm? Not sure. If it is in the pool, then yes. Feb 02 01:05:59 Unity was first in 11.04? or 10.10? Feb 02 01:08:39 10.10 on netbooks Feb 02 01:08:41 IIRC Feb 02 01:15:01 10.10 yes. Feb 02 01:45:34 I recently got a pandaboard Feb 02 01:45:51 when I am trying to use the usb serial adapter my screen is complete garbled Feb 02 01:46:10 I have the Prolific Technology pl2303 usb serial adapter Feb 02 01:46:20 I have set the minicom settings from pandaboard side Feb 02 01:46:32 I was wondering if anyone could help me fix this issue Feb 02 01:47:59 krosswindz: I used to use those all the time (recently upgraded to an 8 port pci serial adapter for all my systems). I use screen and it works fine. "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200" should give you a serial console. Feb 02 01:48:15 IME there are only one or two USB serial adapters in existence Feb 02 01:48:19 Everything is just that rebranded Feb 02 01:48:40 garbled might just indicate your baud rate is wrong Feb 02 01:48:58 GrueMaster: I was using minicom Feb 02 01:49:03 baud rate needs to be the same on both sides Feb 02 01:49:12 GrueMaster: when I use screen I have the issue Feb 02 01:49:25 minicom and sceren both work as client side; probably want getty on the server side Feb 02 01:49:30 twb: I am setting baudrate as 115200 which is what is mentioned in the ubuntu website Feb 02 01:49:41 That should be fine Feb 02 01:49:43 When I use a different adapter it works fine for the same setting Feb 02 01:49:51 Maybe that specific device is damaged Feb 02 01:50:14 you mean the pl2303 might be damaged Feb 02 01:50:15 device = that adapter, I mean, no the pandaboard Feb 02 01:50:18 Right Feb 02 01:50:21 thanks Feb 02 01:50:27 I will see if I can get it replaced Feb 02 01:50:34 They cost like $4 so just replace it Feb 02 01:50:46 krosswindz: Are you plugging the 9 pin plug directly to the panda or are you using a cable/adapter in between? Feb 02 01:51:29 GrueMaster: if he doesn't have a nullmodem cable it should just fail, right? i.e. not garbled Feb 02 01:51:31 the 9 pin directly to the pandaaboard Feb 02 01:52:07 when I using the tripplite keyspan usb serial adapter Feb 02 01:52:10 it was all fine Feb 02 01:52:18 i had borrowed that from my friend Feb 02 01:52:35 if i switch to that same settings for minicom it is fine Feb 02 01:53:07 Another thing to try is on the desktop side, type "sudo setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 base_baud 115200". Feb 02 01:53:15 ok Feb 02 01:53:41 Invalid flag: base_baud Feb 02 01:54:47 Oops. baud_base (I had it reversed). Feb 02 01:55:27 Cannot set serial info: Invalid argument Feb 02 01:55:39 sudo setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 baud_base 115200 Feb 02 01:55:43 thats the command I am using Feb 02 01:57:35 http://pastebin.pandaboard.org/index.php/view/63324435 Feb 02 01:57:42 that is the output of setserial -a Feb 02 01:59:53 "Baud_base: 460800". That is the problem. Feb 02 02:00:25 I am unable to switch it to 115200 Feb 02 02:01:56 Try "sudo setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 port 0x0000 irq 0 uart 16654 baud_base 1152000" Feb 02 02:03:02 Cannot set serial info: Invalid argument Feb 02 02:03:17 hmmm. Feb 02 02:03:38 sudo setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 uart 16654 baud_base 1152000 Feb 02 02:03:56 sudo setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 uart 16654 baud_base 115200 Feb 02 02:04:50 (somehow my copy/paste added a zero) Feb 02 02:05:01 crap Feb 02 02:05:03 sorry Feb 02 02:05:07 i didnt see it Feb 02 02:05:21 no go Feb 02 02:05:27 same invalid argument error Feb 02 02:05:53 You are running this on the host (usb) side, right? Feb 02 02:06:19 yes this on the host side Feb 02 02:06:21 my laptop Feb 02 02:07:39