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Feb 10 03:35:45 <infinity> GrueMaster: Yeah, there are Origens all over here.  But we've never been asked to enable it in the distro.
Feb 10 03:53:52 <twb> Obviously it's just so easy to get Debian on there they never bother with Ubuntu :-P
Feb 10 04:29:38 <allquixotic_> Hi, I have a ThinkPad Tablet (slate), a Tegra 2 based tablet that runs Android 3.1 by default... I have it perma-rooted and can thus do anything to the device (in principle), so does anyone know if I could theoretically install Ubuntu on it similar to the way the Toshiba AC100 is done?
Feb 10 04:41:06 <twb> tegra2 support is still alpha quality
Feb 10 04:48:29 <TheMuso> And whats more, the kernel source for the device would need to be available, so there is source for the device speicifc hardware, like the touchscreen.
Feb 10 05:00:04 <allquixotic_> TheMuso: Good point. I'm not sure that Lenovo has released their kernel source yet. So they are technically not in compliance with the GPL, as I never received any written offer for the source either.
Feb 10 05:02:46 <twb> allquixotic_: they don't have to do that, but they are obliged to respond if you ask
Feb 10 05:04:35 <allquixotic_> twb: Interesting. I don't think anyone has posted the source yet, be it Lenovo or someone else, so I might send them a letter to get the ball rolling, or see if they will brush me off and tempt me to contact the SFLC
Feb 10 05:04:36 <TheMuso> The board itself is likely based on something tegra ish, like ventana, or harmony.
Feb 10 05:04:59 <allquixotic_> oh... it's Ventana actually, I figured that out from some of the low level stuff I was messing with as I was rooting it :-)
Feb 10 05:06:44 <twb> SFLC has no power except where the copyright holders delegate to them
Feb 10 05:07:10 <twb> ventana's a dev board for the tegra2 AFAIK, so it's probably a tegra2 in production
Feb 10 05:07:43 <TheMuso> twb: Yes thats right, but as I said above, there is additional stuff like touchscreen. The transformer as you know has more than that, there is keyboard dock code, battery for the dock, etc.
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Feb 10 13:44:08 <cooloney> NCommander: ping
Feb 10 14:23:58 <carli2> hi
Feb 10 14:24:23 <carli2> I have a OMAP3 board and installed the omap3 drivers. after restarting X, the screen was black
Feb 10 16:14:31 <pnphi> joined
Feb 10 16:15:09 <pnphi> excuse me
Feb 10 16:16:35 <pnphi> i want to have GUI for ARM ubuntu or Qemu , what i do ??
Feb 10 16:18:02 <prpplague> pnphi: install ubuntu on a pandaboard?
Feb 10 16:18:14 <pnphi> qemu ! ! !
Feb 10 16:18:29 <pnphi> ARM ubuntu on qemu
Feb 10 16:19:06 <pnphi> and on a beagleboard
Feb 10 16:20:57 <pnphi> excuse me
Feb 10 16:20:57 <prpplague> pnphi: sorry you said "or" first, which is different than "on"
Feb 10 16:21:51 <pnphi> sorry ..on not or
Feb 10 16:24:58 <lctoai> how install desktop ubuntu after install ubuntu for arm in qemu
Feb 10 16:52:39 <pnphi> excuse me
Feb 10 16:52:49 <pnphi> i want to have GUI for ARM ubuntu on Qemu , what i do ??
Feb 10 16:59:58 <GrueMaster> pnphi: You might ask in #linaro.  They do more direct work with qemu and may have a solution.
Feb 10 17:08:33 <GrueMaster> ppisati: Ping - When will we see a fix for bug 925069?  There appear to be a couple of patches attached to the bug, and one user has already added them to the 1405 kernel and tested that they work.
Feb 10 17:08:34 <ubot2> Launchpad bug 925069 in linux-ti-omap4 "No analog audio on omap4 panda" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925069
Feb 10 17:44:16 <ppisati> GrueMaster: i think i already pulled those patches, let me check
Feb 10 17:46:12 <ppisati> GrueMaster: yep, the patches are there, i'll cut a new kernel
Feb 10 17:46:25 <GrueMaster> Excellent, thanks.
Feb 10 18:37:10 <TonyWatertown> Hi.  I need help installing ubuntu-arm on a BeagleBoard XM, Rev. C.  I followed the steps in the wiki page, but I'm having problems installing the image on the board.
Feb 10 18:39:40 <GrueMaster> TonyWatertown: First, which image are you using?  Second, what issues are you seeing?
Feb 10 18:41:15 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: I am using the image specced in the wiki page for Rev C. (i.e. beagleXM-natty.tgz.  when extracted produces vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-omap)>
Feb 10 18:41:44 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: The problem is that the installation hangs at 15% at keyboard configuration and then starts over from the beginning (i.e. stuck in loop).
Feb 10 18:42:44 <GrueMaster> Ah, I think I know the problem.  Try switching to a console (ctrl-alt-F1) and logging in using the user & password you entered in oem-config.
Feb 10 18:43:01 <GrueMaster> Then run "sudo oem-config-remove && sudo reboot".
Feb 10 18:44:05 <GrueMaster> There is an odd timing issue with oem-config that the slowness of the SD interface has brought out.  It has been fixed recently in 12.04 (faster SD performance, race in dbus).
Feb 10 18:45:17 <GrueMaster> Although you may want to try 12.04 alpha 2 (released last week).  The armhf improvements really are noticeable.
Feb 10 18:46:47 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster:  Thanks.  Yeah, I think I'd like to try out 12.04 alpha 2.  Newb q: Where can I get it?  Are the installation steps the same as for 11.10?
Feb 10 18:48:21 <GrueMaster> You can find it at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04/alpha-2/ .  Same basic instructions (except you don't need to replace the kernel).
Feb 10 18:48:27 <GrueMaster> Same as 11.10, yes.
Feb 10 18:48:53 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: Excellent.  Thanks!
Feb 10 19:18:24 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: in your opinion, any reason not to go with the hard-float image for 12.04?
Feb 10 19:20:19 <GrueMaster> None.  I have been testing both armel and armhf releases, both are equally stable, and the armhf seems faster.  I haven't done any benchmarking per say, but I know my netboot installs are 5 minutes faster with the same preseed.
Feb 10 19:21:20 <suihkulokki> sounds odd as installer shouldn't really use much floats
Feb 10 19:21:34 <GrueMaster> I have yet to find an armhf bug that also isn't in armel.  And 12.04 alpha 2 seems almost as stable as any prior full release (there are still minor glitches, but no show stoppers).
Feb 10 19:22:02 <GrueMaster> The installer itself will when working with compressed packages.
Feb 10 19:22:37 <GrueMaster> Plus the binaries are a bit smaller.
Feb 10 19:25:20 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: That sounds great.  I'm really excited about using the FPU.  Question: does the USB hub work fine in 12.04?  That was the big issue I had with previous releases.
Feb 10 19:26:58 <suihkulokki> GrueMaster: unless you use lossy compression, usage of floats with compressed packages is unlikely ;)
Feb 10 19:27:07 <GrueMaster> TonyWatertown: I have a rev B and with the 20120207.1 daily-preinstalled it seems to work even better (for me).
Feb 10 19:28:35 <GrueMaster> suihkulokki: I don't know how the packages are compressed.  I do know that two pandas using the same USB drives and the same network, one images ~5 minutes faster than the other.  Internal mirror.
Feb 10 19:30:44 <GrueMaster> I have a pool of 4, and constantly reimage them to a base ubuntu-server w/ openssh-server and openjdk-6-jre-headless.  Maverick takes ~35 minutes, Natty & Oneiric take ~25 minutes, Precise armel takes ~20 minutes and armhf takes ~15 minutes.
Feb 10 19:31:52 <GrueMaster> Preseeds are identical for all images.  All packages are on a local mirror in my basement.  House is wired 1Gb.
Feb 10 19:33:31 <suihkulokki> such processes are usually IO bound, so perhaps it's the smaller binaries
Feb 10 19:35:31 <GrueMaster> Possible.  Like I said, I don't know the full details of why, I just know that they are faster.
Feb 10 19:59:41 <TonyWatertown> Waiting for the 12.04 armhf image download to complete.  Another question: where can i grab the source and the kernel config file for this image?  I need to compile a 3rd party kernel module once I get 12.04 installed.
Feb 10 20:35:51 <rbasak> TonyWatertown: there's git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git (and a ti-omap4 branch), also you can apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`
Feb 10 20:39:47 <TonyWatertown> rbasak: Thanks!  Is the kernel config file for the image located at /boot?  Or do I have to grab it from somewhere else?
Feb 10 21:45:13 <TonyWatertown> Hi.  Doing an apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` results in the following error: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
Feb 10 21:45:27 <pbuckley> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
Feb 10 21:45:31 <TonyWatertown> What should I add to my /etc/sources/list file?  Thank you.
Feb 10 21:46:07 <TonyWatertown> pbuckley: deb file:/var/lib/preinstalled-pool/ ./
Feb 10 21:46:07 <TonyWatertown> #
Feb 10 21:46:07 <TonyWatertown> # /etc/apt/sources.list
Feb 10 21:46:07 <TonyWatertown> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ precise main restricted universe multiverse
Feb 10 21:46:07 <TonyWatertown> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ precise-security main restricted universe multiverse
Feb 10 21:46:08 <TonyWatertown> deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ precise-updates main restricted universe multiverse
Feb 10 21:46:09 <pbuckley> depends on what your install target is
Feb 10 21:46:10 <pbuckley> eek
Feb 10 21:46:39 <TonyWatertown> pbuckley: just installed the alpha 2 release for 12.04, the armfb version.
Feb 10 21:46:46 <pbuckley> http://pastebin.com/GMXu8RQc
Feb 10 21:46:52 <pbuckley> this is my sources.list
Feb 10 21:46:58 <pbuckley> also dont forget to do a sudo apt-get update
Feb 10 21:46:59 <pbuckley> before
Feb 10 21:47:07 <pbuckley> (but after you have a sources.list file)
Feb 10 21:49:47 <TonyWatertown> pbuckley: thanks!  giving it a shot now after an update.
Feb 10 21:49:59 <pbuckley> coolio
Feb 10 21:50:03 <pbuckley> :)
Feb 10 22:14:47 <TonyWatertown> pbuckley: dumb q.  do you know where the source is installed?  I expected to find it at /usr/src. but that directory is empty.
Feb 10 22:15:53 <pbuckley> apt-get --only-source source linux-ti-omap4 or something like that
Feb 10 22:16:22 <TonyWatertown> pbuckley: nevermind.  i'm being dumb.  it was installed in the directory from which i ran the apr-get src command
Feb 10 22:16:47 <GrueMaster> TonyWatertown: When you install source, it is usually installed in the current directory.  So "apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`" should install the source in ./linux-image-`uname -r` , along with a tarball of the original and a dsc file for building.
Feb 10 22:17:04 <GrueMaster> Ah, you found it.
Feb 10 23:11:04 <TonyWatertown> Hi.  I'm trying to compile a kernel module for 12.04 alpha 2.  I see that there is no asm directory in the include directory for the source.  How can I generate the right asm link?
Feb 10 23:12:39 <TheMuso> TonyWatertown: Which linux-headers packages do you have installed?
Feb 10 23:12:46 <TheMuso> It sounds like you are missing one.
Feb 10 23:13:16 <TonyWatertown> I installed the entire source.  So i'm pointing the kernel module makefile to the source directory.
Feb 10 23:13:43 <GrueMaster> TonyWatertown: Try "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-omap4" to make sure you have all of the headers.
Feb 10 23:14:21 <GrueMaster> Then you can build a module using the out-of-tree module build steps.
Feb 10 23:14:36 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: I'm on a beableboard xm.  Is omap4 still correct?
Feb 10 23:15:04 <GrueMaster> Oh.  Wrong platform.  Use linux-headers.
Feb 10 23:15:42 <GrueMaster> That is a meta that should pull in all the relevant header files for your system.
Feb 10 23:17:00 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: apt-get install linux-headers-`$(uname -r)`?
Feb 10 23:17:51 <GrueMaster> No, just linux-headers.  There are multiple packages, one is generic, another is specific to uname -r.
Feb 10 23:18:29 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: E: Package 'linux-headers' has no installation candidate
Feb 10 23:18:45 <GrueMaster> wait one.
Feb 10 23:19:55 <GrueMaster> linux-headers-omap is the meta (my bad).
Feb 10 23:21:20 <GrueMaster> That will pull in linux-headers-3.2.0.15-omap and  linux-headers-3.2.0.15.
Feb 10 23:22:41 <GrueMaster> (or a newer one if it has updated in the last couple of days).
Feb 10 23:22:44 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: downloading now.
Feb 10 23:26:56 <GrueMaster> great.
Feb 10 23:28:50 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster: Should I point the kernel module makefile to the linux-headers-3.2.0-15 or linux-headers-3.2.0-15-omap directory?  Both directories are present at /usr/src.  Incidentally, uname -r returns 3.2.0-12-omap
Feb 10 23:29:42 <GrueMaster> Use uname -r.  That directory should have symlinks to the other directory for generic headers.
Feb 10 23:33:56 <TonyWatertown> GrueMaster:  Hmm.  Pointing to the headers resulted in the following badness: /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-15/include/linux/kconfig.h:4:32: fatal error: generated/autoconf.h: No such file or directory
Feb 10 23:36:00 <GrueMaster> TonyWatertown: Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild.  It may have better information on this than I can provide.
Feb 10 23:45:16 <GrueMaster> TheMuso: I've posted a merge request for alsa-lib to update our ucm configs.  Simple tweak, has absolutely no effect on other platforms.
Feb 11 00:02:18 <pbuckley> btw, those on pandaboards and having trouble with quiet or muted audio, open alsamixer and goto DL1 Media and adjust the volume. You're welcome.
Feb 11 00:18:03 <GrueMaster> pbuckley: I've uploaded the ucm fixes and our kernel guy was supposed to spin up a new kernel with the patches.  Should have a working system ootb next week.
Feb 11 00:18:26 <GrueMaster> At least for audio out.  Haven't tested audio in yet.
Feb 11 00:21:00 <pbuckley> nice, thats great news. Audio is a lot like oxygen, don't realize how much you use it till it's gone
Feb 11 00:21:51 <pbuckley> also took your advice and attached a hard drive to my pandadesktop board
Feb 11 00:21:57 <pbuckley> huge difference (duh)
Feb 11 00:27:28 <GrueMaster> heh.
Feb 11 00:47:42 <AlexLee> hello all , i encode h264 by using gstreamer in ubuntu 11.10 , but
Feb 11 00:47:42 <AlexLee> can't  encode h264, is that miss some h264enc codec ?
Feb 11 00:47:42 <AlexLee> also i have updated all the  PPA , the kernel is 3.1
Feb 11 00:47:42 <AlexLee> http://groups.google.com/group/pandaboard/browse_thread/thread/d8d98dee7c50f791#
Feb 11 01:45:49 <krosswindz> GrueMaster: I got a third pl2303 cable and it worked
Feb 11 01:45:58 <krosswindz> GrueMaster: third time is the charm
Feb 11 01:46:17 <GrueMaster> Excellent!
Feb 11 01:46:21 <krosswindz> GrueMaster: interesting it reports the same details when I run set serial, I am unable to set baud_base
Feb 11 01:46:25 <krosswindz> GrueMaster: but it works
Feb 11 01:46:34 <GrueMaster> Very odd.
Feb 11 01:47:08 <krosswindz> yes really odd
Feb 11 01:47:25 <krosswindz> not sure what the issue is with those cables
Feb 11 01:49:05 <krosswindz> I guess that company just makes unusable cables
Feb 11 01:50:46 <GrueMaster> Personally, I have had so many problems with them, mainly not being able to enumerate in a sane manner.  I have an old Atom system that I use as a serial console, and I ended up buying an 8-port pci serial card.  Of course, now I have 13 system consoles to monitor...
Feb 11 01:51:06 <krosswindz> nice
Feb 11 01:51:27 <GrueMaster> Not really.  My desk looks like a snake pit.
Feb 11 01:51:39 <krosswindz> too many cables
Feb 11 01:51:49 <krosswindz> wish there were wireless usb serial devices right :p
Feb 11 01:51:51 <GrueMaster> And I just ran out of network ports on my 16 port switch.
Feb 11 01:52:16 <krosswindz> you need a 96 port switch :p
Feb 11 01:52:48 <krosswindz> just left scathing review for those broke cables
Feb 11 01:52:49 <GrueMaster> heh.  I'd probably fill it next cycle (I bout this one last cycle when I only needed 9 ports).
Feb 11 01:53:34 <krosswindz> I need to get a switch to I guess
Feb 11 01:53:58 <krosswindz> I have been using three routers, two of them bridging
Feb 11 01:54:06 <GrueMaster> I've never had a failing cable from Trendnet.  Just no way to differentiate between the 4 that I have.  And the 4 port usb-serial cable is just a cable with an integrated hub & 4 pl2303 chips.
Feb 11 01:54:26 <krosswindz> Thats good
Feb 11 01:54:44 <krosswindz> the last time comcast tech support came to my home he was counting the number computers I had
Feb 11 01:54:45 <GrueMaster> All of my switches are 1Gb "dumb" switches (no programming of vlans, etc).
Feb 11 01:54:59 <krosswindz> he is like you can only have 5 computers connected
Feb 11 01:55:11 <GrueMaster> Yet another reason I don't do comcast.
Feb 11 01:55:18 <krosswindz> i said dont worry 5 of them dont talk to the internet so its fine... he was like ooh ok
Feb 11 01:55:39 <krosswindz> well my apartment gets either comcast or 128 kbps dial up
Feb 11 01:55:55 <krosswindz> or whatever
Feb 11 01:56:01 <krosswindz> its either comcast or dialup
Feb 11 01:56:02 <krosswindz> no dsl
Feb 11 01:56:11 <GrueMaster> I have 15 in my office alone, plus 2 in the study (wife & kids), a PS3, a Wii, an XBox, and two chumbies.
Feb 11 01:56:22 <GrueMaster> I'm on DSL.
Feb 11 01:56:59 <krosswindz> in my town they decided that cable was utility so every apartment complex can just have one hence monopoly
Feb 11 01:57:12 <GrueMaster> Dedicated IP (only changed once since 1999).  No hassles.  They even alert me if they are seeing oddities on my link.
Feb 11 01:57:19 <krosswindz> thats nice
Feb 11 01:57:24 <krosswindz> who is your provider?
Feb 11 01:57:27 <GrueMaster> Yea, they have done that all over the place.
Feb 11 01:58:02 <GrueMaster> My phone line is Qwest/Century Link.  My ISP is dsl-only.net.
Feb 11 01:58:21 <krosswindz> qwest is sitll alive ;)
Feb 11 01:58:22 <krosswindz> still*
Feb 11 01:59:12 <GrueMaster> I only have 3 choices for internet (I don't count dialup/satelite).  Comcast, Centurylink (they bought up Qwest apparently), and one local ISP that uses 802.11b.
Feb 11 02:00:13 <GrueMaster> When I moved here in 2003, I already had dsl & dish network.  I called comcast and asked them to remove their cable from my house.  They said that it was illegal for me to not be connected.
Feb 11 02:00:48 <krosswindz> lol
Feb 11 02:00:54 <GrueMaster> I ended up cutting the cable and leaving it in a pile next to the pole across the street, then called up and reported a down cable.  They removed it very quickly.
Feb 11 02:01:12 <krosswindz> nice job
Feb 11 02:01:15 <krosswindz> comcast only sucks blood
Feb 11 02:01:37 <krosswindz> they charge me $70 for a pathetic 8/2 connection
Feb 11 02:01:51 <GrueMaster> On my street, 7 out of 8 houses have switched to dish or ditect tv in the last 6 months.
Feb 11 02:01:51 <krosswindz> On a good day I get like 3-4 Mbps down
Feb 11 02:02:10 <krosswindz> I wish I had a choice
Feb 11 02:02:15 <GrueMaster> Better than I get, but I'm in the sticks.
Feb 11 02:03:13 <GrueMaster> My line is rated at 7.5/1.5, but even after rewiring my house with cat5e, I still can't seem to get better than 5.5/768.
Feb 11 02:03:28 <GrueMaster> I think it is the pipe between our town and Portland.
Feb 11 02:03:38 <krosswindz> hmm
Feb 11 02:03:50 <krosswindz> well at least you get 5.5 on an average
Feb 11 02:04:05 <krosswindz> most days if get like 2-2.5
Feb 11 02:04:13 <krosswindz> I dont care much for upload
Feb 11 02:04:35 <GrueMaster> And I sometimes need it.  I mirror ports.ubuntu.com every 2 hours, and cdimage.ubuntu.com every 6 hours (only for arm stuff).
Feb 11 02:05:09 <krosswindz> aah
Feb 11 02:06:17 <GrueMaster> I bought a cheap rack cabinet ($150) for the basement.  It has 2 1U rack systems (mirror & firewall), plus a few older boxes and a test platform running remotely.
Feb 11 02:07:38 <krosswindz> nice
Feb 11 02:08:38 <GrueMaster> Between running my own computer consulting business for 6 years in the 90's and working in validation labs at Intel, I kind of got used to having a lot of equipment.
Feb 11 02:09:04 <GrueMaster> Wife thinks I'm nuts.  I call it "Terminal Insanity".
Feb 11 02:10:08 <krosswindz> having lot of computers is never wife approved :p
Feb 11 02:10:46 <GrueMaster> Who said anything about asking permission?
Feb 11 02:10:48 <GrueMaster> :P
Feb 11 02:13:27 <krosswindz> its friday night
Feb 11 02:13:33 <krosswindz> time to head out to the water hole :p
Feb 11 02:14:02 <GrueMaster> It is????   Time flies when you don't know what you are doing.
Feb 11 02:14:15 <krosswindz> have fun ;)
Feb 11 02:14:22 <GrueMaster> You too.
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