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Feb 15 12:03:23 <ogra_> janimo`, what about the ac100 kernel ? (FF is tomorrow, would be good to have the new version by then i think)
Feb 15 12:04:33 <janimo`> ogra_, I heard no other developments upstream - and di not check either
Feb 15 12:04:55 <ogra_> right, but the archive kernel is still at .8
Feb 15 12:04:57 <janimo`> we will have anew version anyway by release, it is not a feature, but incremental fixes
Feb 15 12:05:07 <guiltyCrow> sudo update-rc.d -f apache2 remove
Feb 15 12:05:19 <guiltyCrow> sorry wrong console
Feb 15 12:05:21 <guiltyCrow> :P
Feb 15 12:05:21 <janimo`> right, I'll update when marvin24 has it in the stable branch, last I checked (last week) it was on -exp
Feb 15 12:05:22 * ogra_ is just seeing many people dpkg -i'ing your kernel from startx.ro
Feb 15 12:05:35 <janimo`> so we have to have the .deb in sync with upstream's stable branch
Feb 15 12:05:41 <ogra_> ok
Feb 15 12:05:44 <janimo`> and we had more suspend issues from what I saw on the list
Feb 15 12:06:09 * ogra_ didnt bother to try suspend here, beyond that sound works so much better with the new one
Feb 15 12:06:16 <janimo`> ogra_, well they should, so they test it, too bad they do not report back to the mailing list
Feb 15 12:06:26 <janimo`> but if they report on #ac100 to marvin that is fine too
Feb 15 12:06:32 <ogra_> and the touchpad is supposed to be multitouch (not that i knew how to test that)
Feb 15 12:06:40 <janimo`> suspend does not work for me at all now
Feb 15 12:06:49 <janimo`> although it may be the nvidia thing again
Feb 15 12:07:01 <ogra_> well, i'm using the binary driver, so i dont even hesitate to test
Feb 15 12:07:18 <ogra_> i wouldnt expect it to work in this setup anyway
Feb 15 12:07:32 * ogra_ blames nvidia here 
Feb 15 12:08:33 <janimo`> once marvin24 is happy with the stabel tree I'll make a new release
Feb 15 12:09:24 <ogra_> ok
Feb 15 12:23:24 <marvin24> janimo`: I merged -exp to stable some days ago
Feb 15 12:23:42 <janimo`> marvin24, ah great, I'll roll a package then these days :
Feb 15 12:23:49 <janimo`> :)
Feb 15 12:24:09 <marvin24> great - thanks!
Feb 15 12:31:30 <janimo`> marvin24, oh I see you have a 3.2 branch, sweet
Feb 15 12:31:47 <janimo`> I wish it were ready in a few months for the release
Feb 15 12:42:04 <marvin24> janimo`: yes, I'll think we have to wait for the 12.10 at least
Feb 15 12:42:26 <janimo`> marvin24, is it not building/booting :)
Feb 15 12:42:27 <marvin24> btw, is it possible to package experimental kernels?
Feb 15 12:42:39 <marvin24> janimo`: oh, what, which one?
Feb 15 12:42:42 <janimo`> marvin24, well we can have debs packaged
Feb 15 12:42:50 <janimo`> I would not put htem in the archives though
Feb 15 12:43:08 <janimo`> marvin24, 3.2, is that not even close to being ready?
Feb 15 12:43:13 <marvin24> that's no problem, people just need an url with the package
Feb 15 12:43:26 <janimo`> marvin24, well as I did with test kernels on startx.ro
Feb 15 12:43:33 <marvin24> janimo`: I can make it ready, but there is not much support from upstream
Feb 15 12:43:54 <marvin24> it is more like a quick and dirrty port
Feb 15 12:43:56 <janimo`> marvin24, if you have a concrete plan writing to the ml for help would be ok
Feb 15 12:44:03 <janimo`> indeed, since you have done this before
Feb 15 12:44:05 <marvin24> and I cannot maintain tegra specific stuff
Feb 15 12:44:24 <marvin24> I only added ac100 support
Feb 15 12:44:39 <marvin24> but 3.2 misses some tegra parts which I cannot include myself
Feb 15 12:44:50 <marvin24> on the other hand, 3.2 is booting and working so far
Feb 15 12:44:57 <janimo`> I know. But if you have an idea of what is exaclty missing and what kind of work is needed, putting it in a mail may get more poeple involved
Feb 15 12:45:02 <janimo`> I am interested in helpgin as well
Feb 15 12:45:38 <marvin24> mmh, I guess mostly better powermanagement support
Feb 15 12:45:42 <janimo`> in Ubuntu we'd all prefer a 3.2 to be in line with the rest of the kernels, for less post release pain
Feb 15 12:46:09 <janimo`> so we may put some effort in now if it helps in the long run and out free time permitting :)
Feb 15 12:46:27 <marvin24> yeah, but real life isn't perfect :-)
Feb 15 12:46:45 <janimo`> so if it boots/works without lockups and has no regressions in sound/video/wlan/pm etc, why not make a shot?
Feb 15 12:46:52 <marvin24> I prefer to keep 3.2 as it is
Feb 15 12:47:07 <janimo`> marvin24, ah and upstream only works on 3.3+ ?
Feb 15 12:47:10 <marvin24> I (and maybe others too) don't have enough info to get it working in a sane way
Feb 15 12:47:50 <marvin24> janimo`: upstream still misses usb device tree support (and video of course)
Feb 15 12:48:10 <marvin24> we have to wait until nv releases a kms kernel driver
Feb 15 12:48:11 <janimo`> 'of course' : I have no idea, I am not familiar with the upstream kernel status :)
Feb 15 12:48:17 <marvin24> I heard someone is working on it
Feb 15 12:48:45 <janimo`> ah so it does not work at all? Why is kms needed for the gfx accelerated proprietary bits?
Feb 15 12:49:12 <marvin24> no, the current implementation is so ugly, it cannot be upstreamed
Feb 15 12:49:32 <marvin24> and a kms driver would propably require new userspace binaries
Feb 15 12:49:42 <marvin24> so don't expect it to land soon
Feb 15 12:50:18 <marvin24> on the other hand, nv already began to upstream some gound working (gart, iommu)
Feb 15 12:51:43 <marvin24> if people like to work on tegra 3.2, feel free to send patches ;-)
Feb 15 12:53:28 <newbie> joined
Feb 15 12:54:09 <Guest89622> excuse me
Feb 15 12:54:36 <Guest89622> i need the ubuntu arm on qemu which have GUI....how i do ?
Feb 15 12:55:54 <Guest89622> i can install X-server ?
Feb 15 12:59:23 <Guest89622> excuse me...help me
Feb 15 13:02:06 <erbo> Guest89622: Have you looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM ?
Feb 15 13:02:47 <Guest89622> it don't have what i want
Feb 15 13:02:51 <Guest89622> thanks
Feb 15 13:53:56 <infinity> jcrigby: Have you played with u-boot and gcc-4.6 at all?  It's now one of the only two packages keeping gcc-4.5 in main.
Feb 15 15:42:36 <ppisati> GrueMaster: so you basically added `smsc95xx.macaddr=$foobar` to your bootargs, right?
Feb 15 15:50:50 <GrueMaster> ppisati: That was how it used to work, yes.  I still want to keep the die id code, but IS needs this as they have some pandas with duplicate die id's.
Feb 15 15:51:21 <ppisati> GrueMaster: it seems this feature was borked since Natty onward
Feb 15 15:52:12 <GrueMaster> Hmm.  I haven't tested it since Maverick (die id code went in in natty).
Feb 15 15:53:04 <GrueMaster> How hard will it be to fix and SRU?  I'm sure IS will need it for the buildd pool, and I don't know what kernels they use.
Feb 15 15:53:23 <ppisati> GrueMaster: don't know, i'm investigating
Feb 15 15:53:40 <GrueMaster> Ok, thanks.
Feb 15 15:58:00 <GrueMaster> ppisati: I have been having an issue lately with the Dove SRU kernels.  The linux-headers-2.6.32-422 package is empty for some reason, and without it, I can't build kernel modules for security testing.  But I'm not sure how much I care either, as no one seems to be using it (except me for SRU testing).
Feb 15 15:58:22 <GrueMaster> Who on the kernel team should I ping about this?
Feb 15 15:58:40 <ppisati> empty???
Feb 15 15:58:56 <ppisati> anyway, i guess that's m
Feb 15 15:58:57 <ppisati> e
Feb 15 15:59:01 <GrueMaster> Well, copyright & changelog is there, but no headers.
Feb 15 16:00:17 <ppisati> doh!
Feb 15 16:01:21 <GrueMaster> Like I said, I'm torn between wanting completeness, and not caring about a system no one uses and will vanish in a couple of months.
Feb 15 16:12:26 <infinity> GrueMaster: I'm tempted to just not care about dove kernels.
Feb 15 16:12:59 <ppisati> perhaps ot's just a variable, i'll fix in the next SRU
Feb 15 16:13:12 <GrueMaster> Same here (especially if I don't have to do SRU testing anymore).  :P
Feb 15 16:14:19 <GrueMaster> ppisati: Don't go to too much trouble.  I've run all the other SRU tests.  No new holes.  I'll go ahead and pass this with a note.
Feb 15 21:16:41 <janimo`> infinity, which is the other package keeping gcc 4.5 in main?
Feb 15 21:18:01 <infinity> janimo`: grub2, u-boot-linaro, and now mysql again. :/
Feb 15 21:18:19 <janimo`> infinity, ah so not arm-only stuff
Feb 15 21:18:33 <janimo`> or is it grub2 on arm?
Feb 15 21:18:45 <infinity> janimo`: No, no.  grub2 and mysql everywhere, not just arm.
Feb 15 22:26:59 <AfouToPatisa> hello everyone, I would require some help with my preinstalled image for beagleboard please, who should I ask?
Feb 15 22:27:41 <pbuckley> just ask
Feb 15 22:27:46 <pbuckley> and someone will get to helping you
Feb 15 22:27:50 <pbuckley> its very async here
Feb 15 22:27:56 <AfouToPatisa> ah cheers
Feb 15 22:28:31 <AfouToPatisa> well I just installed ubuntu arm OMAP and my screen is flickering up and down
Feb 15 22:28:55 <AfouToPatisa> I cannot even read anything its running all the time
Feb 15 22:30:08 <AfouToPatisa> I installed it by SD card normally it should be fine...
Feb 15 22:32:24 <AfouToPatisa> oh I forgot to say the only error I got was this: 2190475264 bytes (2.2 GB) copied, 536.94 s, 4.1 MB/s dd: closing input file `standard input': Bad file descriptor
Feb 15 22:33:07 <infinity> So your image didn't write correctly to the SD card, for one.
Feb 15 22:33:14 <infinity> Though I can't see how that would cause screen flicker. :P
Feb 15 22:33:23 <AfouToPatisa> haha true :P
Feb 15 22:33:28 <infinity> I don't have a beagle, though, so I'm not entirely sure on the flicker front.
Feb 15 22:33:34 <AfouToPatisa> i guess i will rewrite it then...
Feb 15 22:33:37 <infinity> Which Ubuntu version are you using?
Feb 15 22:33:42 <AfouToPatisa> 11.10
Feb 15 22:34:02 <AfouToPatisa> btw , does the sync thing go alone?
Feb 15 22:34:06 <infinity> Kay.  You could try a 12.04 daily for giggles, but 11.10 should work.
Feb 15 22:34:30 <AfouToPatisa> thanks man, gonna give 12.04 a spin as well
Feb 15 22:34:41 <AfouToPatisa> see what comes out
Feb 15 22:35:06 <AfouToPatisa> im just installing because 10.04 was probably too old to support my touchscreen I guess :/
Feb 15 22:36:07 <AfouToPatisa> thanks brb
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